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Continued from my questions

Sorrry, I couldn't find the archived talk where I originally posted this. Anyway, why can't the Generation VI sprites just be treated like 120 by 120 still images? sumwun (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

The archive is here. You can find it by mousing over "Pokémon" in the template at the top of the page (maybe I should make that clearer).
Anyway, there are no sprites in Gen VI, only models. Models just don't work the same way, so we decided to use artwork instead. --SnorlaxMonster 00:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Anime ordering

Hi, I saw User:SnorlaxMonster/Anime ordering and I would suggest that you check out this (not made by me): https://github.com/mal/pokemon/blob/gh-pages/data/anime.md --PannenkoekenNL (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

We already have the air dates on Bulbapedia. Having a list of them isn't really helpful in constructing that page. --SnorlaxMonster 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
It's in chronological order, not only the air dates.--PannenkoekenNL (talk) 06:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Super Mystery Dungeon Move Descriptions

I'm planning to begin adding Super Mystery Dungeon's move descriptions to each of the move pages. However, each move has two separate descriptions, one on the move's basic info box, and another one that goes into more detail if needed, and I'd like your opinion (others are welcome too) on which should be used before I start. Most of the time, they're either the same or they managed to fit the most important details fit into the shorter one, but occasionally not; for example, Stockpile's short description doesn't mention its Defense/Sp. Defense raising effect. I've included example images of Stockpile and three others in this imgur album–Feint (expanded detail example), Extrasensory (where the 'short' one is actually longer), and Splash (another 'expanded detail' one, but both have a fair amount of fluff). There have been a few descriptions added already (mainly starter moves) and they've all used the short one, but I wanted to make sure I'm doing the most desirable thing before I put the effort into documenting them all. VioletPumpkin (talk) 00:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't really know. I haven't played Super Mystery Dungeon or very much of Gates to Infinity, so I haven't really helped with their coverage. In the older Mystery Dungeon games there are two descriptions for items (one very short, one full length), and I had been using the full-length descriptions on item pages. --SnorlaxMonster 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I see. I'm not familiar with the older Mystery Dungeon games, so it's interesting that something similar existed there. I noticed earlier today while working on the item pages that the people who had been editing those pages had been using the short descriptions for SMD, though in most cases those descriptions are very similar. That said, after looking at the entries for old games and comparing them to the SMD ones, it looks like the full-length ones were used for the old games, and more information than I thought was being lost with the shorter ones, so I think I'll go with the full-length ones. Thanks for answering! VioletPumpkin (talk) 04:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Just to chime in, I've been using the long descriptions for the items I've been editing. At first, I wasn't aware of the short version so while I was editing I was confused about where people had gotten a different item description than me, so I changed them. I only realised later, but I've stuck to the long ones for now, but many of the item descriptions haven't been reverted to the long version. I agree that going for the long one has less risk of losing information.--Wowy(토크) 08:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't realize that, so thanks for the heads up. I'll probably be doing more SMD additions today, so I'll be sure to double-check the Health Drink page (where I made those edits) first. VioletPumpkin (talk) 15:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Struggle and recoil

UPC says that Struggle does not have recoil damage from Gen IV onward, and every other effect we have that affects recoil does not affect the self-inflicted HP loss from Struggle. And Struggle's effect contradicts our definition of recoil, as it is not depending on the damage dealt. Struggle's description never says recoil, and the in-game description does not call it recoil. So I could only imagine you mean/checked the message, and that that's just the standard recoil message that says "recoil"? In which case, I guess we should separate Struggle recoil from any other recoil, and just say that Struggle is also said to have recall, even though it... hasn't. Nescientist (talk) 10:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

When you use Struggle in battle, it says "<Pokémon> was damaged by the recoil", just like every other recoil move. Its recoil damage is calculated in a different way to other recoil moves (except Shadow End) and it's not affected by Abilities that affect other recoil moves, but the game calls it recoil so that's what it is. Struggle is clearly a special-case move, so I think it being an exception to these effects makes perfect sense.
It's also worth noting that the move descriptions for recoil moves are worded the same way as Struggle's (not that you can ever see Struggle's move description in-game). --SnorlaxMonster 10:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok, fair point. Well, technically, it isn't the same recoil than the others; so Rock Head's description, for example, is either refering to specifically the non-Struggle "recoil" variant, or does only refer to "some" recoil it can protect from. Does that mean that you think we should do what I just proposed, or do you think we should redefine our recoil definition (and make a special case for Struggle post-GenIII)?
Worth noting that Overheat and its variations also mention "recoil" in their descriptions. Would you prefer to include that on the page? Nescientist (talk) 10:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Ability descriptions tend to try to be very concise because they don't have much room (particularly in older games). Struggle is an exception, but Ability descriptions don't tend to note exceptions; the Shadow moves that inflict recoil are also both exceptions to Rock Head. Also, Struggle calculated recoil damage the same way as other recoil moves did in Gen III, but it still wasn't affected by Rock Head.
I don't think Overheat is referring to the same concept (notably it doesn't say "recoil damage", just "recoil"). I wouldn't be surprised if the description didn't consistently use the word used for recoil damage across languages (although it might anyway).
As for what to do, my suggestion would be to fix the recoil page to correct the definition of recoil. --SnorlaxMonster 10:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Descriptions seem to be consistent across languages (checked Japanese and German). I guess the concepts may be related (negative effect of using a move), but they obviously aren't all the same. Anyway, our description says it's damage, as does the pokemon.com glossary that we encountered at Multi Battle.
I'll be redefining then, if you don't mind. Nescientist (talk) 10:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Not that it matters anymore since we seem to have reached a consensus, but that page also says Struggle also causes recoil damage equal to 25% of the attacking Pokémon's maximum HP. --SnorlaxMonster 11:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Ok, even better then. And I guess one just cannot share too much relevant information in any constructive discussion. Nescientist (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit war

Can you check this edit war about the order moves should be listed: User_talk:VioletPumpkin#ORAS order. Jeangabin666 (talk) 17:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Donphan trivium intervention request

If it's not too much trouble, could I ask you to please take a look at the last few revisions of Ash's Donphan and give your opinion? I'd like a ruling from someone higher up so I don't have to go back and forth with Force Fire on a talk page, since frankly in the past few weeks he seems to have developed a vendetta against me. Thanks for your consideration. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree that the previous trivium was both vague and too specific (although those terms seem contradictory). I think this edit brings it to a reasonable point. I'm not sure about restricting it to just Oak's lab though: Charizard's return from Charific Valley was certainly in the same spirit.; it also excludes Pokémon the Series: Black and White, in which Ash effectively has more than 6 Pokémon on hand by rotating them between his party and Juniper's lab. --SnorlaxMonster 06:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I was about to come here and say "never mind" after seeing that Force Fire re-adjusted it, but yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go Pokedex Data

Are we going to add pokedex data for Pokemon from Pokemon GO ? Pratik_12 Talk 12:06, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I was planning on adding the data, but wanted to confirm and know where the data gets added Pratik_12 Talk 12:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
The Pokédex entries are all taken from Omega Ruby, so there's no point listing them again. --SnorlaxMonster 14:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Stadium 2 Pokédex data

I am fairly sure Stadium 2 does not have its own entries. It loads Generation II entries; in case of Gold and Silver it seems to load the opposite version's (Crystal uses Gold's, apparently); using Red seems to load Gold's, Yellow has Silver's; haven't checked Blue yet. I am not sure if it depends on the game version or it randomizes for each Trainer ID (considering Crystal loads Gold's, even though Stadium 2 and Crystal had simultaneous release in Japan, so was it a translation thing?) Eridanus (talk) 13:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe you've mentioned this before. In any case, there's not much to do about it until we actually know how it gets them. It's also worth noting that our article for Pikachu has different capitalizations for "Berries" between Gold and Stadium 2. --SnorlaxMonster 13:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I think I've mentioned it few years ago. I am mentioning it again because GO's case reminded me of it. Pikachu entry is the same in both games - it is BERRIES and not Berries or berries. The old games formatted certain words like this (it wasn't dropped entirely until Generation V as far as I know). Eridanus (talk) 13:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I figured there was an error on that page and it wasn't an actual difference. I have to focus on the Nintendo Direct now though, and I'm quite busy with other IRL stuff, so this isn't something I'm concerned about right now. --SnorlaxMonster 13:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Uploading images in Bulbagarden Archives

Hi. I am recently contributing on Pokemon Adventures articles -- mostly with Vietnamese translation. I notice that there are missing covers for some volumes and would love to contribute by uploading/adding cover pictures of these volumes, but then Bulbagarden Archives stated that I am not an autoconfirmed user there so I cannot really do that. But since that place is a place to add pictures (it seems so to me, sorry if I am wrong), what should I do to become an autoconfirmed user there? Thank you very much for your time and I am sorry if this bothers you. Saphir (talk) 10:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Inquiry on news article deletion...

I've started a thread on your deletion of the article I started on the Special Sun & Moon Edition Light Blue 2DS, and have mentioned the deletion as unfair. $aturn¥oshi said that I should inquire with you. - LDEJRuff 16:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I saw the thread, and I don't get it. I gave you my reason for deleting the page, which based on the thread you have seen. Why do you think that was unfair? (I should note that I did appreciate the effort you put into the article, but there's a certain minimum timeliness we need for covering news.) --SnorlaxMonster 23:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Effect sections etc.

This is a bunch of things, but I'll try to keep this short. I would kindly ask you to answer the first question, and I would appreciate if you took some time to answer any of the others, too.

  1. Do you believe that it would be worth the effort/time to go through all "Effect" sections (or those of moves) in an attempt to standardize them better? (That's not a leading question!)
  2. I've been creating this, and I believe that's what it should ideally be. (It's delibarately non-strict for some aspects, but it still seems incompatible with the current state of Effect sections sometimes.) Eridanus notified me he talked to you earlier, so if there's any go-to guy, it might be you. Do you agree?
  3. What's the current guidelines that are implicitly in effect? (I hope you get what I mean.)
  4. I intend to edit some Effect sections in the near future (if you're interested and not already aware, you could check Tiddlywinks' talk). So I've been thinking I could try to simultaneously standardize/simplify them better. If the "current guidelines" are not the "ideal" ones, which ones should I use? (I guess this question might be question 1 actually, and sneakily asks for some coordination/assistance. If there's plans/desire to change "current" to "ideal" for move effects, now might be a good opportunity.)

Additionally, while I'm here, could I ask you to possibly reply over here (you're listed as a contact)? It's not a top priority, and I won't start a lengthy discussion if you just don't know, but I would like to ensure this didn't simply go unnoticed. Thanks! Nescientist (talk) 11:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Policy question regarding mid-generation egg move parent updates on Pokémon pages

Recently, an edit was made on Alomomola that (correctly) added Corsola as a possible parent to pass Endure. Corsola could not learn Endure by level up until B2W2, but by checking Alomomola's Gen V learnset page, I saw that Corsola was not listed as a possible parent there, nor is it listed in the Gen V learnset page of most other Pokémon it could pass its 'new' B2W2 moves to. A similar situation arose with ORAS, where many Pokémon became new potential parents of some moves, but only some pages added them. As you know, the move pages have split columns to better note things like this, but the by breeding sections on the species pages do not. Since I couldn't find information on the correct way to handle this, and because I'd like to help keep things consistent, I'd like to ask if you know what the correct way is (either including the new parents, not including them, or something else)? Thanks! VioletPumpkin (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Moves that power up

Could you align the category's wording and the moves that are in that category (one way or the other)? You may or may not be aware, but doubling in damage is not exactly doubling in power. And you may or may not be aware of this, where I've also been collecting info like that. If I knew what the deal was, I'd be willing to help (also see the above section). Nescientist (talk) 11:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Could you go through and correct the wordings of appropriate moves to either "power" or "damage"? (Or just pick one, as you seem to be suggesting I do.) You're clearly much more familiar with the distinction than I am. --SnorlaxMonster 11:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
The wording you just added was fine. (And I plan to go through all of them at some point.) It's just that the category "Moves that power up" currently says they "increase in base power". I was wondering if that wording should be changed, or whether the moves that actually double in damage should be in another category or something. Nescientist (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
If the moves are more accurately described as increasing in damage than increasing in power, then please change that; I don't know which it is. If you know which applies for each move, then I think splitting the category into those two would be reasonable. --SnorlaxMonster 12:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, then let's stick to "Moves that power up" only including moves that are most accurately described as increasing in power; I will edit your additions where appropiate. For those moves that most accurately increase in damage, I believe Tiddlywinks might have had something in mind for the future, so I will not create a new category for now. Nescientist (talk) 14:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Keep in mind that there were already moves in "Moves that power up" that were equivalent to the moves I added, such as Gust and Twister.
I don't get why you're categorizing Stored Power as both variable power and a move that powers up: what is different about it to all the other moves? It's the only move in the "Moves with variable power" category that has a fixed power (i.e. not — in-game).
I think you may as well categorize them now, so we don't have to go find them again later whenever Tiddlywinks wants to make his new category. --SnorlaxMonster 15:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Ah, that's what made you add it to the others!? I don't know why Tiddlywinks added them; I presume he was just mistaken when he did (as he explicitly didn't add Earthquake). I didn't see them when I checked; I will remove those.
For Stored Power, Tiddlywinks might have added "Moves with variable power" for a technical reason: it's a trigger that modifies its power (see here). You added the "powers up" because it gets greater than advertised. I've kinda said to Tiddlywinks that I'd prefer to go that label-route; but I also don't like to undo what others have done without their consent (if it's a debatable thing).
For the category, I'm gonna create it once I can come up with an idea for its name. Nescientist (talk) 16:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Now I recall/know: Tiddlywinks wasn't in error, Gust and Twister apparently technically do work differently than Earthquake etc. I've reworded their prose. (They work like Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool have worked in the past; I edited their prose as well and also added them to the category.)
And on Stored Power, you were right; if Gust isn't variable power, neither is Stored Power.
And if it's ok, I would like to wait for the category until I/we get to more/all moves; for now, it's just Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool, and the complete list of "increases damage (directly)" is on my user page already (well, hopefully). Nescientist (talk) 21:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Stored Power is not (or was not, I'll go back to it in a moment) the only move in Moves that have variable power with a numeric power value, Water Spout has it as well and would probably be a terrible fit for moves that "power up". IMO, moves that power up should basically be something that's either "X" power (normally) or "X*mult" power (in most cases *2, but the multiplier itself should not really vary). I consider moves like Rollout and Fury Cutter close enough because they "power up" with successive uses, building very steadily/reliably. Stored Power's power varies based on however many stat stages the target has. You could use Stored Power for the first time and you might get its base power or its base power times 2 or 3 or 43; to me, that's very much "variable". Stored Power does not at all fit an image of a move that's "powering up" IMO. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
I forgot, but it seems you (SnorlaxMonster) also wanted to sort out these categories "neatly" so you could use them on Forewarn. If it weren't for Eruption and Water Spout, I'd be happy to agree with you, but it's very hard to reasonably exclude them from a category for "variable power". I was a little unhappy that it couldn't be that neat myself, but I also consider it more valuable to actually have a place where the moves that can truly have varying power can all be found together. I think if we want a category for only physical/special moves with "—" for power, that should perhaps be something like Moves that do not have a fixed power. On the other hand, though, if the table on Forewarn is going to list all the applicable moves anyway, then linking to a category/categories is probably kind of pointless anyway; you can just describe them as "Moves that have a power of '—'" without actually losing anything vital. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:50, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
There was another reason (strange factor); had I known, I wouldn't have removed it. Anyway, just focusing on Stored Power, I still feel like "higher than the label says" might be "powered up" (and it uses the user's stat stages). Unless I'm mistaken, that's the case for all moves that power up, but not for any other move. Unless they're meant to be mutually exclusive, I would suggest we include both.
The new power page looks splendid! (No, really!) Unless someone's faster, I would be taking care of Gen VI Abilities and moves within the next days. Nescientist (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
What I basically meant the "power up" category for was for moves that have a binary condition: multiplier or none. The core of these is very much the things like Pursuit, Acrobatics, Smelling Salts. Rollout and Fury Cutter are a moderate extension therefrom. But Stored Power is very different from these. And "variable power" is basically "the rest".
And it really should be one category or the other. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
I think the only reasonable way to divide moves between "powering up"/"powering down" and "having variable power" is to split based on whether or not the move has a fixed base power. Anything else and we're getting too subjective. --SnorlaxMonster 17:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I think there's something valuable in that "subjectivity" that that strict division doesn't allow for. (In part, like I said before, the division you want is really better described like "moves without a fixed power". "Variable" inherently invites subjective judgement. Better to use something less ambiguous if that's what you really want.) Magnitude is a very interesting case: it normally has variable power, but can also receive a 2x modifier, so a strict division between the current categories wouldn't allow both effects to be noted.

I'll propose this instead: Moves that power up should be a category only for moves exactly like Pursuit and Acrobatics: they double in power under a specific condition and never go any higher (i.e., no Rollout/Fury Cutter, no Echoed Voice, no Pledges). (Maybe it would be called something else too, if it's going to be so strictly defined.) Then, everything else goes under "Moves with variable power", and "Moves that power up" is categorized under that as well. The only possible hitch here is, it may be weird if Magnitude is categorized both as having "variable power" and "powering up", if powering up is itself a subclass of variable power. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Wouldn't a category with Pursuit but without the Pledges be pointless?
I think we only really need the categories for the power page. In my opinion, "Power up" should be meant to be for those that have a "standard" case but can power up, "variable"/"varying" (an unrelated category) for those that do not. How to define what a standard case is in an objective manner is tricky (on the other hand, we do not need to define that strictly, I guess).
In my mind, moves with multiple standard cases (Magnitude, Present) and those with a continuous scale (Eruption, Reversal, Crush Grip) are "varying" (that's some kind of definition already, I guess). Rollout and Magnitude should be in both. For Punishment, Spit Up and Stored Power, I don't really care — they could be in either, or both. Nescientist (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Parental Bond Information

So, I tested out how Parental Bond works in the main series games, in Generation VI specifically. I tested to see if it did or did not work with moves with a charging turn such as Fly and Solar Beam, via Double Battles, and found that they do not synergize. I feel that you should add this information to the article of Parental Bond, because I cannot. --KibiaXI (talk) 07:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

It is already on the page. "Moves with a charging turn only strike once, even if the Pokémon becomes fully charged in one turn (such as with a Power Herb)." --SnorlaxMonster 07:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Apologies for bugging you at this ungodly hour for a matter that isn't of necessity. Still, I feel as if links should be given to some moves for example, as the link's blue coloring makes it easier to spot, and it would help elaborate further. Thank you for your time.--KibiaXI (talk) 08:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
It's not an "ungodly hour" for me in Australia, it was late afternoon/evening. I agree, so I've added (such as Fly and Solar Beam). --SnorlaxMonster 12:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Why did you readd this in obedience? Your edit summary just ends abruptly.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Badge&diff=2527666&oldid=2522856 Unowninator (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


Not to be a pest, but could you please add Kommo-o to the Pseudo legendary page? Nutter Butter (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Health drink french page

Why did Bulbabot re-added this after I removed it? This is wrong, the page it links to is the french page of Lookalike_Item#Mix_Elixir. MannedTooth (Talk) 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

BulbaBot synchronizes the links between the different language wikis. If you want BulbaBot to stop doing that, you need to remove the link from the French wiki (which I have just done). --SnorlaxMonster 09:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Exactly what I thought ! Thanks ! MannedTooth (Talk) 09:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Game Locations

Something that has been bugging me is the Regional variant and how this affects the Game locations area of the pages for the Pokémon who have Alola variants and how I think they need minor improvements to help make it easier for people to understand that information on finding that Pokémon is not for the original version, but for the Alola version which would therefore require trade. The biggest issue regards the original Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak as none of them can be found without trading as it is impossible evolve into those forms in Sun and Moon. Doesn't need to be dealt with now, but I do think it should be in the future. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go South Asia

Should information about the Release of Pokemon GO be added to the Games section of the Pokémon in South Asia page??? If yes, then that info will have to be added by an administrator... → PikaTepig999 15:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


I am going t recreate the Toyland article but first, is Toyland the world rumble blast is set in or a specific area? Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

If you don't know the answer to that question, you might not be the best person to create the page. --SnorlaxMonster 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
It's fine, I just found out now that is the world rumble blast takes place in. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 06:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Pasting from other articles

Sorry if I'm bothering you but is copying and pasting from other articles on this site OK? oops I forgot to sign Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

It is acceptable to use content directly from other Bulbapedia articles in Bulbapedia articles, but make sure you credit the source article in your edit summary. However, it is not acceptable to use content taken from other fansites. --SnorlaxMonster 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

My edit

What was wrong with my edit for the Pokémon sun and moon section of the Pokémon 20th anniversary page? Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Edit: Nevermind, It's just a restructuring of my edit.

New pages notability

I was wondering, imagine some very abstract Bulbapedia editor is dreaming of (high-quality) mainspace articles on subjects such as

  • Nebby,
  • Aura (game mechanic, the UB and Totem thing),
  • Confusion (status condition; just imagine there'd be a whole lotta details),
  • Affection (may be a possibility to intersect Amie and Refresh),
  • Template:ZMoveInfobox (in a similar vein to how the German wiki handles that),
  • Target,
  • anything, in general/by extension,

and that they're also able and willing to provide at least one of that, but they'd like to avoid putting in work for articles that turn out to be either unnotable or userspace endlessly, what would they be supposed to do? Asking for a friend, of course. Nescientist (talk) 12:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Normally, if there's a topic of questionably notability, I like to build it in the userspace to establish notability (although I do have a lot of pages that are intended for mainspace but have sat in my userspace for ages). If you can build a detailed page in the userspace that's not just full of fluff and within scope (i.e. related to Pokémon), it's unlikely to get rejected. (Fun fact: Confusion is on a list of page ideas on a post-it note that has sat next to my desktop approximately since we gave status conditions their own pages back in 2010/2011.) If you want to make sure your userspace page you think should be mainspaced doesn't get forgotten, it's a good idea to poke a staff member (feel free to come to me with this kind of thing, although depending on the topic you might be more successful by asking the appropriate Editorial Board member). --SnorlaxMonster 12:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. While I do understand that, for Aura for example, I'm not 100% sure it is notable myself. That's a case where someone should do research quite a bit, which is a potential waste of time. And for others one might not be able to judge how notable it turns out to be beforehand. And even if I think it turned out to be notable, is there some way I can ensure the EB thinks the same and it wasn't all a waste of time (I'm likely biased if I invested time and effort)?
So, in case of doubt, I can ask an appropriate staff member beforehand, on a case by case basis, and that staff member then might be able to guarantee that, if the article is of decent quality, it will get mainspaced?
Can you tell me how notable/relevant/sensible you think the things I've listed are? (For me to maybe scratch them off my list of "should be created... eventually".)
Status conditions are what I want to do next, so once I've started a userpage on confusion, please be my guest. Nescientist (talk) 13:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Normally, if a page requires a lot of research but isn't notable, then the information would simply be placed on other pages, so it wouldn't be entirely a waste.
You can certainly ask beforehand, but if they're unsure, what's typically going to happen is the staff member will tell you to create a draft to show how such a page could look. For example, I really don't see what content you could even have on an "Aura" page, so right now I don't think it's notable, but if you went and did a lot of research and actually made a page of a decent length, you could convince me it is.
For my personal opinions on your list:
  • Nebby: would certainly be notable
  • Aura: Convince me there is actually content that would be on this page. I can imagine a list of the auras each Totem Pokémon/Ultra Beast has, but I don't really know what else there would be.
  • Confusion: As I mentioned earlier, I certainly think there's enough information there for a page.
  • Affection: I was the one who nominated the split last year, but since it only applied to Amie it didn't happen. Now that it's some shared stat between Amie and Refresh I think there is more of an argument, but the same could be said about of lot of the mechanics of both minigames.
  • Template:ZMoveInfobox: I think Z-Moves are probably fine using the same infobox as other moves for now.
  • Target: Assuming this refers to attack targets, I think a page detailing the game mechanics of targeting would be interesting, although I believe the official term for possible targets is "range" whereas "target" is specifically the Pokémon chosen. --SnorlaxMonster 13:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • For Aura, I think there wouldn't be a lot information, but we do seem to have independent articles for virtually all other game mechanics (as far as I know, at least). I'm not trying to convice you, though (and I'm not willing to do research atm), but I had imagined it might (ideally) be a nice page being linked to.
  • For Z-Moves, I don't like how messy the type-specific Z-Moves' templates look like, with half the template basically just confusing readers, screaming "READ THE TEXT!" instead of helping.
  • For target/range, I'd imagined that page to be about both what you select and what you actually hit/affect, and to differentiate/explain a little. I think I said somewhere before that we often conflate the two, and don't really explain the difference anywhere (or, that there is one, even). Nescientist (talk) 14:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
This is all yours. If you want to mainspace it and need help linking to it, I might be able to assist when I'm around; the vast majority should be done in a single edit here, though. Nescientist (talk) 15:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Just to be sure, I don't need to knock at someone's door, you've taken care, right? Nescientist (talk) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I haven't really done anything with your article yet, no.
My main concern right now is that it calls confusion a status condition, when it's not despite the way we currently use "status condition" on Bulbapedia. For example, Tapu Fini's official site entry makes sure to mention "status conditions or confusion"; while effects like Full Heal do remove confusion despite only specifying that they heal status conditions, I think we can consider that to be a case of incomplete effect descriptions, like Water Bubble or Gen VI Flower Veil; compare Guts, Shed Skin or Marvel Scale, which are not affected by confusion. There's also stuff like Leaf Guard to consider, which prevent the Pokémon becoming drowsy due to Yawn. Despite that concern, I don't really have an alternative name beyond "status". For the same reason, I'm not entirely sure it belongs on the status condition navigation template. --SnorlaxMonster 14:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Maybe what I said/researched here makes it easier then. For the nav template, I don't know or care, so you might want to not add it precautiously. Thank you anyway. Nescientist (talk) 14:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
I can see how we're using it (and how you've been using it recently) to only mean non-volatile. I think mentioning that it is sometimes called a status condition is the correct way (roughly similar to how we treat Eevee at Eeveelution). This proposal is also related to the confusion thing; in addition, it's also something I wouldn't want to start working on in my userspace unless there's indications of it being mainspace at some point. Nescientist (talk) 17:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
To notify you of what you'll see anyway: Nebby. I'd recommend adding it at {{NPC}}, too. Nescientist (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent) It's great to see Affection in the mainspace, and I really don't know whether you're the right person to yell at, but isn't mainspacing Nebby.. just as urgent (or even more urgent)? I feel like there's value wasted, every day. Could you somehow.. get it going, please? Nescientist (talk) 10:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Other wiki websites

You have listed other Nintndo wikis in your userspace. Do you contribute to those wikis as much as you contribute here? If so, then you are the ultimate wiki contributor.

(also how do you change text color and change colors in your name?) --PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon (talk) 10:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I do not contribute to the other wikis I link to as much as Bulbapedia. Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia is the only wiki on which I have activity comparable to my activity on Bulbapedia.
If you want to change your signature, you can do so at Special:Preferences. If you want to change the color, you'll need to check the "Treat the above as wikicode" box. If you want to know how to add colors, you're free to look at the code of my signature, which you can do by viewing the edit window on any talk page that my signature is on (including this one).
Also, there's no need to make headers bold and italic. As long as you mark them as headers (using the equals signs, which creating a new section automatically does), the software will automatically bold them for you. --SnorlaxMonster 11:24, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Increased priority

I thought I'd check this with you before I edit multiple pages all of which you might want to edit afterwards. I'd like to improve the priority moves' wording, they seem to be pretty Gen I centric, and have likely carried over to where they don't fit. Assuming we want to be this specific at individual move pages (which is not what I'd personally be going for), I suggest:

Quick Attack inflicts damage, and is an increased priority move. If no other Pokémon uses an increased priority move during the turn Quick Attack is used, Quick Attack will go first regardless of the user's Speed. If multiple Pokémon use a move with an increased priority of +1 during the same turn, their move order will be determined normally.

I have no idea what that other paragraph with sleep and freeze is supposed to say. Do you know? (I'm inclined to believe it's only for Gen I, and also not important?) Nescientist (talk) 13:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

I think most of the explanation can be left on the priority page. Maybe even just:
Quick Attack inflicts damage. It has a priority of +1, so is used before all moves that do not have increased priority.
I remember reading about that sleep/freeze thing for Gen I recently, actually. Here's a video explaining it. From Gen II onward, you can actually select moves while asleep/frozen, so you move at the priority of the selected move rather than the last selected move. --SnorlaxMonster 13:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, great, that's what I'd personally be going for; so that's what I'll do then. I'll remove virtually everything but a link to priority, and that extra paragraph at Quick Attack. The sleep/freeze thing was what I had in mind, but because that was on all priority moves (not just Quick Attack), I thought I might've missed something. Thank you! Nescientist (talk) 14:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Can you please add Thousand Arrows to Template:TypeEffectiveness?

On Oricorio's page:

If Gravity is in effect, this Pokémon is given an Iron Ball or a Ring Target, or it is affected by Smack Down or Ingrain, the effectiveness of  Ground-type  moves is 2×.

Thousand Arrows would also break this rule.User:Pumpkinking0192 suggests changing the whole thing to if the Pokemon is grounded. Anyway, can you please update this? Unowninator (talk) 17:06, 29 December 2016 (UTC)



Can you direct me to the guideline where The italics is supposed to be the translation of the Japanese name is laid out? As I mentioned in my edit summary, I have been unable to find it. BP:MOS doesn't appear to say anything like that.

The Hepburn romanization is not particularly useful for anyone also doesn't appear to be mentioned there, and as far as I can tell it simply is not true. This is an English-language wiki that does not appear to assume Japanese literacy on the part of its readers, so the Japanese text without a romanization is illegible to our readers and therefore practically useless (and depending on encoding might not even display properly, although I have never had this problem myself). There's actually a control for this -- why do we give the HP and RR for the Chinese and Korean names, respectively, at the bottom of the article? The only difference is that those languages aren't relevant to the topic except as random trivia.

Satorukun0530 (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand the Aura Break thing.

| Undo revision 2576835 by Unowninator (talk) It's easier to treat Aura Break and Power Construct as a pair of standard Abilities, even if they're not technically implemented that way

Can you please elaborate? I don't understand what you mean. Also, I hate to be a bother, but you never responded to that Thousand Arrows thing. Unowninator (talk) 07:25, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Trivia and Force Fire

Sorry to bother you, but I'm having trouble with Force Fire, who refuses to listen to what I'm trying to say and instead is making counterarguments for something completely different. I've tried to remove a couple of blatantly out-of-date trivia points on Flying (type) that haven't been true for three to six years, but Force Fire's counterarguments are all about whether the outdatedness is visible in the tables or not. Can you intervene one way or the other, please? Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the Sun and Moon Shards

I was about to spade the Sun and Moon Shards article, when I noticed that you made a few edits back in November. I just wanted to double check and ask if it was confirmed that Eevee needs a high friendship or not to evolve in XD. --Super goku (talk) 08:38, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

I made all the pages say what I believe to be the correct method. I haven't personally tested it though, so it would be worthwhile checking. --SnorlaxMonster 09:33, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I've checked it, friendship is required. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Environment pages

So I've decided to dig back it from userspace*. Did we create any naming standards for filenames of these? Eridanus (talk) 12:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Uh, I've just been using images that were uploaded for other purposes. If there wasn't one, I uploaded the image to an external site instead. It's probably fine to upload environment images directly though. There's currently no naming scheme.
Notice that on my page, the headers only group environments that have the same effects (other than terrain effects, but they're special). That was a very deliberate choice. On yours, they have several different effects in one.
BTW, I notice you say that Gen VII is coming soon. I've actually got a spreadsheet detailing the whole game, but haven't put it on Bulbapedia yet (and it's missing Secret Power for everything but Ultra Space, since the only way to use it right now is via Metronome, as well as Burmy). The main reason I haven't put it up yet is due to not playing the post-game yet. However, another tricky part is that the floor mattering more than the background means I can't really lay it out the same way as I did Gen VI. I'm also working on another major set of research for Bulbapedia at the moment (that is incredibly close to finish). --SnorlaxMonster 12:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I haven't noticed that pattern. Should I apply them to Generation III? The mechanic works differently there (I think it's the same in Generation IV and V, but haven't checked), being based on player's tile most of the time (while Orre works the same way as Generation VI, which is why it got the labels). Eridanus (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
I'd recommend trying to group them, yes. Note that on my page, some identical sets of effects were split across two headers. --SnorlaxMonster 13:05, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Before moving to Generation IV, there is Mystery Dungeon, with a total of about 62 tilests (2 of which are unused), plus special tilesets for certain bosses. Besides trying to come up with some kind of name for all of them, there's the fact that some are a bit of a mess*. Some tilesets make a return in Explorers (like the two that went unused), so it'll probably be merged similar to what I plan to do with Orre. All were ripped and uploaded to Spriters Resources so I am asking what should be the picture for PMD, considering dungeons are randomized. Eridanus (talk) 13:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
You really just need an example of the tileset in use. Just because it appears in a formation that another person might never see should be irrelevant. Also, if you're working on PMD, you might find this page from the EoS guidebook useful. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

SOS Battle page

Why did you undo my edit on the SOS Battle page concerning weather? I linked my source appropriately to a page on the OFFICIAL Pokémon website and on that page where it talks about SOS battles in different weather conditions, it explicitly says that weather called in by moves or abilities do not affect the potential SOS allies in an area. If the official Pokémon website isn't a reliable, accurate source of information, then what is? Bulbapedia is a useful resource but when the official Pokémon site directly contradicts it, the Official Pokémon site is probably the more reliable source in any given case, so I'm going to place my edit back until such a time you can link to a source about the disputed detail that proves the information on the official Pokémon website is incorrect, because there was no source given about the detail prior to my edit. GeniusMike (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC) GeniusMike

In my reversion, I directed you to look at the talk page for the SOS Battle page. On that talk page, there is a section titled Weather ally change in v1.1 currently discussing this matter. The conclusion the people discussing the topic there came to was that the official Pokémon site contradicted the way the game works, possibly as an attempt to simply the explanation. --SnorlaxMonster 16:18, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Reverted changes regarding battery life of Gen II cartridges

Please refer to Tiddlywinks' talk page for some discussion. --Black Eagle (talk) 16:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible Sockpuppeting

I recently saw that a user called Pikachu21843 had recently made an edit to a page and then I noticed that a previous user had a very similar name with an extra 8 in the name. This seems like it could be a case of sockpuppeting. Either that or the newest user copied the older users title and just added/subtracted an 8, but that seems pretty weird, so I thought I should just bring this to your attention. Playerking95 (talk) 12:37, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Just a heads up, are both users still active or has one account been blocked? Playerking95 (talk) 01:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
The user actually told me which was their main account the same day I left a message on their talk pages. I completely forgot to block the extra account. It's blocked now. --SnorlaxMonster 12:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


I have tried contacting ForceFire and Tiddlywinks about this but have yet to get a solid response on what to do. This is what I sent to Tiddlywinks:

"As I'm sure you know, there has been some discussion for the last year or two about Zygarde's place as a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal, and the reasoning behind why we haven't included it. ForceFire said that a main reason is "lack of game or anime evidence". When I contacted ForceFire about SS036, which I believe has evidence proving Zygarde is indeed part of the trio, he said "I have an extremely limited understanding of the Japanese language and am not going to follow what fansubs say, since they usually take liberties. But I will bring it up with the other staff members and we will discuss it". (This was when there was no English dub.) Now that there is an English dub, I tried contacting him two or three days ago, and he hasn't responded. Could you give some feedback?"

Could you either give a response on what to do, or get ForceFire to answer my question on his talk page? (He has answered the question under mine but not yet mine.) --Celadonkey 17:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

This is currently being discussed. ForceFire or Tiddlywinks will let you know when a decision has been reached. --SnorlaxMonster 02:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Good to hear. --Celadonkey 03:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Nightmare glitch

Some time last year, I discovered a glitch involving Nightmare while watching a YouTube video about Pokémon Crystal. I've left a link to that video here. Basically it was along the lines of a Full Heal being used on a sleeping Pokémon being affected by Nightmare, but the effect of Nightmare continuing after that despite the Pokémon not being asleep anymore. This may need some research, but I recall it not being on the glitch list, so I thought I'd bring it to someone's attention. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

It looks like it has been added. Chickasaurus credits you in the video description. --SnorlaxMonster 13:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I had actually done some research a few weeks ago, and adjusted the wording at Nightmare after I had examined the disassembly (and in a few moments, I'll also adjust the glitch page). It seems to happen because the item heal routine removes the Nightmare status from the player's active Pokémon regardless of who used the item (and whom it subsequently cured of sleep). Nescientist (talk) 16:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
So in that case, if the player's Pokémon was somehow afflicted by Nightmare when the opponent uses a Full Heal or Full Restore, the player's Pokémon would also be cured on Nightmare? I'm not sure if there are any NPCs with Full Heals/Full Restores that could inflict Nightmare on your Pokémon however (even with Metronome/Mirror Move/Mimic). --SnorlaxMonster 16:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Rereading the code from my edit summary, the same seems to hold true for bad poison as well, such that when your Pokémon is badly poisoned and the opponent uses any status healing item (!), your Pokémon will become regularly poisoned. Both may be hypothetical cases, however, I don't know. Nescientist (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
For bad poison, several of Koga's Pokémon know Toxic, and since he's an Elite Four member he probably uses Full Restores, so that case might actually be possible to check. --SnorlaxMonster 16:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
My save file is lost, but if you're able to check it, maybe also try to become confused when the opponent uses a Full Heal/Full Restore and see whether you're cured of confusion. Nescientist (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Apparently, that code is only called when the player uses a Full Heal. The function that is used when the AI uses a Full Heal/Full Restore cures the opponent's Pokémon of bad poison. The function for when an opponent uses a Full Restore also cures the Pokémon of confusion, but the opponent's Full Heal function does not. Apparently, this is likely due to the fact that the Full Heal/Full Restore don't cure confusion or Nightmare in Generation I and the code wasn't updated properly. --SnorlaxMonster 01:43, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, there goes my credibility. What they say makes sense, and I agree to that. It was a month ago, and I thought I had tracked it down to that function straight from the AI, but it appears I have not (correctly). I'm sorry for the confusion. In case there you know of an AI opponent that uses Full Heals, you might want to update the glitch page accordingly. Nescientist (talk) 09:44, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
As demonstrated by the Nightmare glitch, Claire definitely uses Full Heals. Still, it would be a good idea for someone to double-check in-game that opponents' Full Heals don't cure confusion and that opponents' Full Restores do cure confusion but not Nightmare. --SnorlaxMonster 10:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The Tapu

A few things about the Tapu/Guardian Deities/Land Spirits:

1. We really should come up with a consensus on whether we move Guardian Deities to Tapu or not. Personally, I think we should, because "Tapu" is used frequently in game AND is used frequently by the fans.

2. We should add the Tapu (and the UBs and Type:Null/Silvally, for the matter) to the Legendary and Mythical Pokémon template. We know that all of those Pokémon are either Legendary or Mythical, and the template does not differentiate between the two.

What do you think? --Celadonkey 14:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Present

Just a few thoughts and questions. First, considering that the behavior of healing is different between GS, C, and Stad2, shouldn't that be noted or am I misunderstanding the wording that is being used? Secondly, I figured that it would be better to start with how Present works in GS and then go to C and Stad2. May I ask why that is incorrect? (Additionally, there is now duplicated text in the Generation II section, but what should be changed could depend on the answer to my first question.) --Super goku (talk) 08:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

The page does start with how it works in Gold and Silver now; you changed it so a key part of the Gold and Silver functionality was labelled as exclusive to Crystal. Present can still heal the target in Gold and Silver (as is obvious due to the message given when the target's HP is full), but if it damages the target it uses that unusual damage formula in Gold and Silver only. --SnorlaxMonster 12:20, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I guess I understand what went wrong. Though, I believe that I guess the way it is will have to do. Anyways, I have made a few more edits to the page based on the original source, among other things. --Super goku (talk) 07:36, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Follow up

I spoke to an admin a couple of months ago regarding a situation with user Pikablu and I was instructed to talk it out with the user, and I did so, but I don't believe what he is saying and my suspicions keep rising even after I talked with him. I keep seeing him undo posts of mine, whether it is by editing the page or actually pressing the undo button, when they shouldn't have been done and several minutes ago, I noticed that he added back on SM015 that Professor Kukui's Rockruff is revealed to know Bite and learns Rock Throw, even know I've already said in one of the edits that he never owned Rockruff and that we don't even know if it knows Bite or not. Could you please look into this. I forget what the other example were back then, but I can assure you, they were edits that were done, even though they were not meant to be there, edits that added wrong or speculative information. Playerking95 (talk) 17:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

He just did it again with his latest edit to the Rock Throw page. - unsigned comment from Playerking95 (talkcontribs)
Hello? Playerking95 (talk) 06:38, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Based on other similar cases, it looks like on move pages the link should go to Ash's Rockruff while the display text should be "A wild Rockruff" if it has only used the move before being caught. I can't really comment on whether or not there is sufficient evidence that it knows Bite. --SnorlaxMonster 07:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Pokémon GO learnsets

Would you mind moving your User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon GO moves page into the mainspace preferably under List of learnsets in Pokémon GO? I think it is mature enough at this point and the data is up-to-date. I am asking you because it is your page. This way it can be linked from the Pokémon GO page.

— Thanks, Rmkane (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Grammar dispute mediation

May I ask for a staff opinion from you, please? Tiddlywinks has asked me to go to someone higher ranked than Force Fire.

Tiddlywinks and Force Fire have been aggressively retaining usage of the incorrect "comprised of." I have numerous sources (1 2 3 for starters, and plenty more can be found with a quick Google search) stating that despite its prevalence, such usage is grammatically wrong. They have not produced even a single source in favor of their argument that it's acceptable. I would be willing to drop this fight if even a single such source is presented, but Tiddlywinks is refusing to do so and unilaterally saying that on this matter, their unresearched opinion trumps correctness. Can you step in, please? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

To make it clear for the record, User talk:ShinyGiratina#Comprised (which was linked on the other page I linked you before) does point to a couple of dictionaries. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Even if "comprised of" has become an accepted usage, I would still rather we use alternatives in prose. I don't see any reason to revert edits that replace it with some other appropriate phrasing. --SnorlaxMonster 00:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Could I suggest "consists of"? It seems like a reasonable term, and shouldn't get any dispute as to its grammaticality. --Felthry (talk) 00:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Plenty of the time that's a perfectly reasonable alternative. Of course, the specific wording should be selected based on context. --SnorlaxMonster 00:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Despite you saying that we should use alternatives, and that there's no reason to revert edits that replace comprise, ForceFire is continuing to revert such edits (1 2 3). Can you please have a word with him? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Those were edits by a banned user's sockpuppet, which I assume is why they were reverted. --SnorlaxMonster 23:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Meteorite key item

Would it be okay if I created a userpage of the Meteorite key item as I saw that you created userpages for some items, such as the Exp. Share, and I have some information about the Meteorite sitting on my computer? PattyMan 00:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Please do. Meteorite is one of the exceptional cases I've been thinking about how to format, so having an example of how it works would be helpful. --SnorlaxMonster 00:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I created the page in my userspace. PattyMan 01:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Battle Bond Greninja

Since no one is checking the new talk page I created for this due to not enough people looking at the Older 500 section on Recent Changes, I'll ask the first active staff member I saw:Isn't the Battle Bond Greninja locked w/a Hardy Nature like it is in the demo? Because someone(most likely reading Smogon's recommended sets and forgetting Showdown bypasses many real-game legality checks due to it being a sim)made it look like it is random, when my transferred one was Hardy(and it was Hardy on my other 3DS as well), so ...can you figure out what is going on there?--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 05:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I just collected mine, and it had a Hardy Nature; then I reset, moved the Wonder Card to the first slot, and collected it again, and that time it had a Brave nature. Note that I am running v1.0 and I transferred the Wonder Card while I was on v1.0, so those may have impacted this. --SnorlaxMonster 05:40, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Did it have Brave in the Demo or in the main Game or both? This requires a lot more research...anyone I can talk to for a deeper, more in-depth look on this from a technical perspective?--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 10:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Brave in the main game. I believe it's fixed to Hardy in the demo. --SnorlaxMonster 10:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
So if I soft reset my backup Moon file on the 3DS that I primarily play Sun on, I may get Timid like I want? Or should I ask someone else to try it under 1.1 with and w/o the Wonder Card movement as a further test of the mechanics first?--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 10:20, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
I would speculate that it can be any nature in both v1.0 and v1.1. Just keep collecting it and checking its nature, then soft resetting if it is not the nature you want. --SnorlaxMonster 10:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll report back to you when I've played the demo again and did the Greninja shenanigans...I wonder if it truly locked into Hardy in the Demo...and is it gender-Locked as well...makes me wonder..again, thank you for helping me and anyone else who got confused by the seemingly locked nature.--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 11:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


Hello SnorlaxMonster!

I see you've been updating templates and I was wondering if you were going to update template:catalogue? I raised a few issues about it a year ago and I don't know much about templates to fix the issue myself. I've copied-pasted what I wrote on the discussion page for List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Dream World here:

  • The links to the Pokémon Doll catalogue and Plain catalogue actually lead to another redirect. So I suggest the template should be changed to allow for a direct link.
  • (This is not really a template issue, but I should raise the issue before changing it) Many of the dolls are grouped according to how they were released in the English Global Link, such as Reshiram, Zekrom and Keldeo, as well as Meloetta, Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. However, many of the Japanese and Korean releases had them released differently. For example, in Japan, while Reshiram and Zekrom were distributed together, Keldeo was actually given out with Meloetta, with Black and White Kyurem coming together in another distribution. In Korea, Reshiram and Zekrom actually came with Pikachu not Keldeo, while Meloetta, Keldeo, Black and White Kyurem all came together. So my suggestion would be split the groups into Meloetta, Keldeo, Reshira & Zekrom, and Black Kyurem & White Kyurem.

Thanks! --Wowy(토크) 11:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I've added the parameter cataloguelink to {{Catalogue}}, which should fix your issue.
That sounds reasonable to me. I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of the current template, but it's nowhere near the top on my priorities to change it. --SnorlaxMonster 12:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, definitely not a priority (which is why I left it unchanged for a while), but luckily I already had it written down somewhere --Wowy(토크) 07:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Baby Pokémon

I wrote this on the Baby talk page but didn't get a response, so I figured I'd come to a mod

Where does the criteria for baby Pokémon come from. Is it officially stated, or reverse-written by Bulbapedia/fans? --Celadonkey 17:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

It's possible that there is some handbook, guidebook, or page on an official site which defines the term, but I think the Undiscovered evolving into non-Undiscovered Egg Group is a good definition. --SnorlaxMonster 03:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Given that it was inferred by someone on Bulbapedia, would it be ok to make a similar definition for Legendary Pokémon, or would we just remove it altogether? I think it should be an all-or-none sort of thing. --Celadonkey 03:23, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's definitely inferred—it's quite possible that it is officially used, I just haven't checked thoroughly. However, there's no dispute as to what constitutes a baby Pokémon, but there is for Legendary Pokémon, so I don't think it's reasonable to allow fans to define what Legendary Pokémon means.
There are fan descriptions of patterns, such as pseudo-legendary Pokémon, which are entirely unofficial names for clear patterns. Legendary Pokémon clearly has a specific official meaning, we just don't quite know it. --SnorlaxMonster 03:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I may ask TPCi someday about how they decide legendary and mythical status, but since they've taken down their online mail bag it's hard to contact them. --Celadonkey 14:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Tapu Koko English

Can you please release an english version of the Shiny Tapu Koko document so that users in different nations can read them. Glaceon Rules. Eeveelutionred (talk) 06:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Do you mean this? I didn't create it, the Japanese branch of The Pokémon Company did. I have no intention of translating 38 pages of store locations in Japan—it's simply not a worthwhile use of my time. All of the important information is already in the article. If you're going to be in Japan during the time period, chances are most stores from the listed chains are going to participate. --SnorlaxMonster 10:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Sorry for the inconvinience. i understand. Glaceon Rules. Eeveelutionred (talk) 00:26, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Page suggestion: a list of city slogans

Hey there! I had an idea earlier today for a page that collects all the city slogans so readers can browse them all in one place, instead of having to click on every city's page to see them one by one. I've started a mockup at User:Pumpkinking0192/List of city slogans and User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:CitySlogan, but it's only filled out enough to be a proof of concept.

I think it's a good idea, but if there's not going to be any staff interest in mainspacing such a page, then I'd rather abandon it now instead of spending an hour or two filling it out. So before I expend that effort, I'd like to ask: do you think it's a good idea? Are the staff likely to be willing to mainspace this concept, or something like it, once it's eventually complete? Are there any structural changes that you want to suggest, especially those that would be easier to make now rather than after all the data's collected? Thanks for your input! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Just asking some regular staff (not the Editorial Board), probably only English and Japanese are needed, but otherwise it looks promising. --SnorlaxMonster 06:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
Two things: 1) The page in my userspace is done and ready to go through the Editorial Board's approval process.
2) As I was gathering the data, I noticed that all Kalos cities have either an "origin" section or a bullet point about the origin, detailing the real-world locations the cities may have been based on. However, no other city articles have this, and in fact in the past couple of months I had removed such a section from a couple of Alola city articles, thinking the precedent was that it should be excluded from city articles and put on Pokémon world in relation to the real world, but in fact it appears there is no consistent precedent. What should be done about this? Should we remove it from the Kalos articles, or add it to all the others? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
I would suggest reformatting the sections. There's a great deal of waste in the separate tables, the always empty "English translation" cell, and other repetition. This is a smarter format:
City Games English Japanese Translation
Pallet Town Generations I and III blah なに ...
Generation II blah なに ...
Generation IV blah なに ...
et cetera...
Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
With all due respect, I understand your reasoning, but I'd rather wait and see whether I get a definite yes or no from the EB first, for three reasons:
1) That was a lot of work to compile, and I'm not exactly eager to immediately turn around and do a lot more work, especially after I specifically asked SM about "structural changes ... that would be easier to make now rather than after all the data's collected". If the EB asks it, sure, I'll do it, but in the meantime...
2) In your suggested layout, certain cities (Azalea most egregiously, but most Kanto/Johto cities tbh) would stretch the table horizontally so far that the table would be considerably wider than most readers' screen resolutions, even on desktops/laptops. Our wiki already has a plethora of tables that are too wide to read easily on mobile; I'd strongly prefer to avoid spreading that problem to desktop view.
3) In a perfect hypothetical future, I would love to see the page expanded with all the slogans in every language that the games have been officially released in. That would require the layout I've done (or something like it), with my initial "In other languages" section restored. For now, though, I recognize that's just a pipe dream.
But thanks for your concern! None of my three concerns are absolute deal-breakers, so if the EB rejects this layout I'm happy to work with you to try to find a way to reconcile our ideas. Thanks! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Feel free to play with your screen size. This isn't "stretching" anything.
City Games English Japanese Translation
Azalea Town Gen. II Where People and Pokémon Live in Happy Harmony! ポケモンと ひとが ともに なかよく くらす まち The town where Pokémon and people live happy together.
Gen. IV Living Happily with Pokémon ポケモンと なかよしの まち The town of close friendships with Pokémon.
et cetera...
I really feel that there's pretty much zero value in slogans in other languages. A lot of simple terms, sure, maybe there's fair value in various languages for those. For whole slogans? I really don't think so. It's basically a quote. We don't really include any other language for most quote-like things (move descriptions, bag descriptions, etc...); the Japanese for these slogans seems to be the closest thing to an exception, and there's no good reason to go any farther than that. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Huh. The text in your table wraps. I thought our tables generally weren't able to wrap, so I was avoiding even trying that. That's one mystery solved! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


1) Why do the party templates for Gen VI use the art for the Pokémon and not their sprites? I understand why the Gen VII templates use the art, because not all the sprites are updated, but it seems kind of silly when the other templates use sprites.

2) I think that the sprites for Gen VI and VII should be animated. The other sprites that are animated in game are animated here, and Gen VI animated sprites are available. If you want, I can help get the pictures, but I don't have privileges on Archives. --Celadonkey 14:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

GSC Toxic

The issue with Heal Bell and Baton Pass is both that they don't reset the toxic status effect. I added Heal Bell afterwards after finding out it had the same problem as Baton Pass, so the paragraph in the article about it might be a bit awkward. Just a heads up on why it references Heal Bell. --FIQ (talk) 09:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


I noticed that the Gen VII sprites were uploaded, so I made this. Can I mainspace it and put it on the Pokemon's pages? --Celadonkey 18:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Glitch Pokémon "in NDex order"?

You seem to take issue with excluding glitch Pokémon from a sentence about the list of Gen II Pokémon by index number, citing that "Glitch Pokemon are also in NDex order in Gen II". I don't entirely understand what you mean. Glitch Pokémon aren't at all in the National Pokédex, right? LpSamuelm (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

The Pokédex numbers of the glitch Pokémon in Generation II match their index numbers. I suppose they're not technically in the National Pokédex, but I don't think we need to make that clarification since in every way they can, the glitch Pokémon's index numbers match their National Pokédex numbers. --SnorlaxMonster 07:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


Could you please talk to the Grammerfreak. After the latest discussion had ended on my talk page, he posted "Who in the world is this Hull anyway?" in reference to the fact that the character Hull in SM011 had its name changed to Haru and since he's had a habit of attacking me in the past, the post there seems to be pretty petty and unnecessary, so what was the point of him posting it there? Could you talk with him? Playerking95 (talk) 07:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

It's entirely possible Grammerfreak actually didn't know who Hull was. I'm going to assume good faith here. --SnorlaxMonster 07:34, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I was hoping to pitch in because I spotted the discussion during a random patrol, and I didn't know the discussion had already ended. My bad. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:44, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


Regarding the NIWA, I believe that I now understand that Zelda Wiki is an non-independent member, though as confusing as it is and contradicting the NIWA's about page. (If not, then could you explain what you meant?) Either way and just to make sure, is Zelda Wiki still a member due to being a founding member or just because the change did not change their status? --Super goku (talk) 05:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

There's some discussion about what's going to happen with Zelda Wiki inside NIWA. I haven't read the full backlog yet, but at the moment they are still a member. I don't know if that's going to change. --SnorlaxMonster 13:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


About the description under "Other", Kommo-o doesn't have a type immunity under any circumstances but rather is immune to specific moves(e.g. sound-based moves). I am requesting for a change as I am unable to edit this page as I don't have permission to edit this page.Nikuriku (talk) 07:42, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

It says type immunities, and while Soundproof and Bulletproof do provide immunities to specific moves, they are not type immunities, so I don't think they need to be noted there. --SnorlaxMonster 09:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Looking back on my previous message, I saw that I was a bit unclear in what I was trying to say. So can the fact that says that Kommo-o has a type immunity be removed? Also I would like to ask if it would be relevant to mention on Persian's page page that Persian-A is the only single-type fully evolved Alola variant? If not, I will not add this bit of information onto the page.

Nikuriku (talk) 12:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity.
The article does not currently claim that Kommo-o has a type immunity, so I don't know what you want changed.
As for Persian, I think it would be notable if it were the only single-type Alola Form, but since you have to qualify that with "fully-evolved" I don't think it is. --SnorlaxMonster 13:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback on the Persian-A issue.
What I would like changed is that the sentence Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity. gets changed to something like "Goodra is the only pseudo-legendary that does not always have a type immunity while Kommo-o is the only pseudo-legendary to not have any type immunity".
This is because Goodra may only have an immunity to grass if the ability is Sap Sipper while for Kommo-o, it's type combination and ability does not allow it to have a type immunity. I felt that the sentence Goodra and Kommo-o are the only pseudo-legendary Pokémon that do not always have a type immunity. was implying that Kommo-o COULD have a type immunity when in reality it couldn't on its own.
Basically I'm requesting for the page to be edited to only say that Goodra has a type immunity(but not always) while Kommo-o doesn't have any.
P.S. Sorry if I sound unreasonable. Just something that is on the page that I wanted to point outNikuriku (talk) 14:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that's necessary. The current statement doesn't imply that both Goodra and Kommo-o can have a type immunity under some circumstances, only that at least one of them does. --SnorlaxMonster 14:49, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
May I suggest that the line be removed altogether? Generally, our standard for trivia is that we cannot refer to two things as "the only one". Since there are two of them, neither is "the only one" anymore, and the point has become unnecessary. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Focus Energy

Could you confirm that this edit of yours was just for format/consistency, not based on additional Gen III information? (And that this edit of yours just spread that error?) It is what contradicts UPC and Showdown, who say it's +2 in GenIII already (and I'm quite sure they're trustworthy there). I'd like to change it. Nescientist (talk) 10:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that would have simply being me filling in what appeared to be a gap. Also, it's worth noting the critical hit page was split from the damage modification page (although the history is now located at damage); this is the diff in which that info was added (the history merge means it's necessary to compare non-sequential edits). --SnorlaxMonster 10:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Ok, how should I have known? As that edit says they're not sure either, and I think I already fixed other mistakes in the critical hit page in the past, I'll go change it. Nescientist (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, in hindsight it would have been a good idea to mention that it was split from there in the edit summary (as I should try and do for these item pages). The Psypokes page cited in that edit summary does mention that Focus Energy started boosts by 2 stages in Generation IV, which I imagine is where that information came from. --SnorlaxMonster 11:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
That page is quite sophisticated, but has a few mistakes/inaccuracies I think I can make up from the Crystal assembly. (And it's also missing Reflect etc.) I'll surely come back to the critical hit page, and maybe I'll try to see if I can confirm that +2 in-game (if only it were easy, and I knew the rest was correct). Nescientist (talk) 11:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Trivia on characters teams

Would adding trivia on character pages based on their teams typing be relevant e.g. Talonflame being the only Pokemon caught in Kalos not weak to Fairy at their final evolution? Although lots of facts can be extracted, they may seem very irrelevant.Nikuriku (talk) 11:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to categorically say it's not notable. However, that example you provided certainly isn't, even if it were true (Aegislash is an easy counter-example). I don't think the type effectiveness against Pokémon introduced in a particular generation is notable. --SnorlaxMonster 11:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I mis-worded my sentence there. I meant: Ash's Talonflame being the only Pokemon that he had caught in ::Kalos not weak to Fairy at their final evolution.
Not sure if that would be very notable as well as saying that Jessie's Mimikyu being the only fairy type so ::far to be caught by Team Rocket(although Mime Jr. is a fairy-type, at the time it wasn't.
Although there can be a lot of trivia said regarding anime characters owned Pokemon typing, some may or may not be irrelevant.
Sorry for the confusion in my previous statement.Nikuriku (talk) 11:43, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh, you meant Ash's Pokémon. I'm not sure about it in that case; it is only one of six, but they are specifically weak to Fairy. As for Team Rocket, I think Mime Jr. should count. --SnorlaxMonster 11:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Lillie's quotes

Hi. I'm currently doing Lillie's quotes. I saw what happened with Looker having a separate Quote article. I'm wondering if Lillie should be the same too, because I'm not sure the requirements for a separate Quote article. Whether if it's due to being too long, or is it because Looker appears in many different generations of games. If it's due to the length, I think Lillie's quotes are too long to incorporate into her article. So should just I save it on Lillie first before the decision is made? — Ruixiang95 09:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC) [Edits made on 09:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)]

Link issue

While looking into the Deep Sea Scale and Deep Sea Tooth pages I noticed that Scanner's redirect link only goes to the Key Items for Gen. VI which is bad for the Gen III items. Think we should change it into a disambiguation page? -Tyler53841 (talk) 04:45, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

The Scanner should be given its own article. This is an issue with Key Items, and is one of several motivating factors for splitting items to their own articles now. --SnorlaxMonster 04:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Also another issue with both the items in Gen. III you can only get one per game and like the fossils you can only pick one (which is a factor they removed in Gen IV.Anyway have a nice night, getting ready for bed. -Tyler53841 (talk) 04:54, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

A couple things I wanted ask you about

Originally, I was going to ask an admin about only one thing, but while going through the thought process of how to put it, another question came into my mind as well. So, here we go:
1) A short while ago, I went through different Pokémon character articles to see if there were any capture locations I could pinpoint more accurately than what was already given. In most of the few cases I ran into this, that was pretty easy. But with Ash's Gible I wasn't 100% sure. Its capture location had apparently been listed as just "Sinnoh" since the article was created, and after some thought, I changed it to "Around Route 222". However, since the group was on their way from Mt. Coronet to Sunyshore, which isn't exactly a straight route, I wasn't able to shake off the feeling that it wasn't completely accurate (hence the "around" part). And whenever I'm in doubt, I look for reassurance from someone else. So, what do you think? Is it accurate enough now, or should it be changed?
2) Speaking of locations, my second question can also be seen as a request. I wondered if a Pokémon was obtained as an Egg, could it be OK to list the location where the Egg was obtained besides just the location where it hatched? Just a thought, but I hope you'll at least consider it.
Yours truly, FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC).

1) I think it would be better not to make assumptions about locations that are not explicitly named. There are a lot of anime-exclusive locations. Maybe it would be better just to write "Between Mt. Coronet and Sunnyshore City"?
2) I can see value in having the Egg obtain location in the infobox. For now, it would at least be a good idea to make sure it is explicitly stated in the article's prose (I noticed that this was not the case for Ash's Donphan). --SnorlaxMonster 08:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
1) Yup. Thought as much. I'll give it some thought and change it (as a side note, I changed May's Munchlax's capture location from just "Hoenn" to "An island between Pacifidlog and Slateport" since they were traveling between those two settlements at the time, but I didn't want to make assumptions about which one of the several routes present there they were on at the time).
2) I'm glad to hear you support that idea. How soon do you think it can be put into proper use? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:20, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Not meaning to be pushy, but do you have answer to my question? Also, I changed Gible's capture location to "Between Route 210 and Daybreak Town", since the group was traveling from Wilma's place to Daybreak Town at the time. I think it's accurate enough. Do you agree? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:25, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
1) Was it ever stated in the anime that Wilma lives on Route 210? Couldn't you instead put something like "Near Wilma's house"?
2) I've added the eggmet parameter to the infobox, and put it into use on Ash's Donphan as an example. Feel free to put it into widespread use. --SnorlaxMonster 04:08, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
1) A lot of routes don't get mentioned by name in the anime, but if we have two in-game locations and an episode takes place in between them, it's pretty safe to say that it takes place on the route between them. I just figured out that since Wilma's house is located east of Mt. Coronet, the direction Ash and co. were traveling at the time, I figured that they were traveling between its location on 210 and their next destination, Daybreak Town. If this doesn't convince you, I can change it.
2) Thanks. I've already put it into good use. Also, while these are rare cases, I've seen a couple of other things that I feel could be improved as well. First: Some Pokémon hatched in a different location than where they were caught, most notably perhaps Ash's Greninja, whose hatching location can only be pointed to somewhere in Kalos, while its capture location can be accurately be pinpointed at Lumiose City. Is this notable enough to warrant a template edit so that the capture location can also be added for a Pokémon hatched from an Egg in case it's not the same as the hatching location, or can it be defined more accurately? Second: In the case of Fossil Pokémon, could there be a part in the template that reads when and where the Fossil was obtained and when it was revived, similar to how Eggs are obtained and hatched? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
What do you think? Do you think these suggestions are notable enough to be put into use? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
1) You're better off asking Pokemaster97 about this. I'm not entirely happy just assuming routes without being explicitly referred to as such (or having a sign with a route number on it show up in the episode), but I can see your point about it being obvious that that is the intent.
2a) My intent with the eggmet parameter was for when a Trainer obtains the Egg. If it hatched from an Egg in the wild, it doesn't make sense to consider when and where the Egg was "obtained" because it never was (including for the episode that the Egg is obtained in). Additionally, I think it would be a good idea to have separate "Hatched at" and "Caught at" locations usable for Pokémon that hatched from Eggs in the wild.
2b) Are there actually any anime fossil Pokémon that have their own pages such that this functionality would be useful? I don't remember any owned by major characters. --SnorlaxMonster 10:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
1) Thanks for the hint. I'll contact him about the subject.
2a) Separate hatching and capture locations were pretty much what I was going after. Thanks for agreeing.
2b) I can think of Roark's Rampardos and Red's Aero. With the latter, the debut appearance currently listed there is the round where the fossil was obtained, and the resurrection round is listed under the "evolved in" segment of the template, which seems inaccurate in my opinion. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Well? What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
First off: Sorry for the incorrect categorizing. I should've realized that the definition of "medicine" doesn't include Berries. My apologies. Second: Have you given any thought to my ideas presented above? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
I think keep Fossils out of the evolution line. --SnorlaxMonster 16:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Parting Shot

Excuse me, but could you possibly revisit it? I don't mean the parts where I just copied U-Turn (oops), but the dependencies: I now realize it may be supposed to say that the user will switch even if the target has Clear Body, is at -6 etc.?? I had removed that part because it sounded like the user also switches when the move misses, which is not the case (and I can't seem to find a nice way to make that distinction, but maybe you could make it clearer). Also, I removed the "even if it cannot switch out" part because a) U-Turn doesn't have it, b) the sentence is really awkward then (grammatically and information-presentation-wise), and c) imo it's clear anyway. Thanks! Nescientist (talk) 09:00, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I reworded it based on Memento. Hopefully the new wording is a bit clearer. --SnorlaxMonster 05:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

New page

Hey SnorlaxMonster! I'm not really sure who the most relevant person to ask this would be, but is this page notable? I've seen a few red links for it around the place, which is why I made it. If it is, will you be able to mainspace it, and do you think the page should be under Harmony Scarf or Scarves? Thanks!--Wowy(토크) 11:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Since they seem to be plot items rather than held items, I think it would make sense to give them their own page rather than combining them with Scarf (Mystery Dungeon). --SnorlaxMonster 05:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Sky Attack

Are you sure about the contents of this edit, specifically that the high crit ratio started in Gen V (not Gen III)? It doesn't seem to have a high critical hit ratio in Gens I+II, but the descriptions also don't say that. (Fun fact: Apparently has an explicit 0% flinch chance in Gen II.)
UPC, Showdown and the in-game descriptions contradict Gen V. But you could have more info, and I can't access this thread from the edit history (but I imagine it could just confirm no increased ratio in Gen I or II). And in case there's nothing substantial: can we change it? Nescientist (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I just noticed that you also added "Gen III onward" here a fair while later, so I'm inclined to believe you were mistaken at Sky Attack. I'm gonna leave this one to you, if you're able!? Nescientist (talk) 17:15, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for that thread link. I couldn't remember why I was so sure that Sky Attack didn't have a high critical hit ratio until Gen V, but that thread confirms it. Since Smogon has changed their forums a bit since that was originally posted, here is the link to the first of the relevant posts. Since you can't read the thread because you don't have a Smogon forums account, I've copied the important two posts into a pastebin here so you can read the test results.
That second edit is about the flinch chance (which was introduced in Gen III), not the critical hit chance. --SnorlaxMonster 03:16, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, Flinch ≠ Crit? Got it!
If you think that confirms it, could you reference it somehow?
But maybe let me say: I'm not entirely convinced by that (thx for the pastebin btw); I wouldn't rule out that it was just bad luck. They don't usually outright lie; they're Japanese! (I also do see a slim chance that they just screwed it up in Gen IV, but that it used to work in Gen III.)
Explanation: I believe in Gen III, high critical hit ratio also increases the rate from 1/16 to 1/8 (unlike what we currently say; see UPC). Assuming the first test was in Gen III (do you have context?), if there was an 1/16 CH chance, there is a 12.9% chance to observe 8/108 CHs; but there is also a 3.3% chance to observe that if there was a 1/8 crit chance (per multinomial distributions, and also assuming I did the math correctly). In other words, there is a chance that this is misinterpreted bad luck. For the smaller DP sample, bad luck appears to be a little bit less likely (21.1% vs. 3.3%). (I'm not sure how to extract the exact chance/likelihood/whatever that it's a 1/8 CH chance rather than the assumed 1/16, but I think it wouldn't be enough for me to overrule the description, and to say it is wrong). Nescientist (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Yes, from the context it is clear that the first test is in Gen III.
That's interesting point about the probability of it being a high critical hit ratio move still not being vanishingly small, although my suggestion would be to try testing it yourself if you're still not convinced. To me, it seems entirely feasible that Game Freak intended to make Sky Attack a high critical hit ratio move, but because it's a two-turn move something about that didn't work (e.g. it only has a high critical hit ratio on the turn it is initially used rather than the turn it hits, so Power Herb might give different results), then when they rebuilt the game engine in Gen V the bug didn't get programmed in again. --SnorlaxMonster 04:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Hm, I think this is about whether you're (still?) convinced. I'm not convinced either way, but as I said, I wouldn't have said "they're wrong, I know better". On the other hand, maybe they are wrong.
I thought about that, too, but then what about Razor Wind? Nescientist (talk) 09:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok, after discussing some of it with friends, I'm almost sure the Smogon guys just unterestimated probabilities. I believe I found out how to "extract" properly, and that their Gen III observations are 20.5% likely to stem from a 1/16 CH ratio (and 79.5% from a 1/8 one; assuming it needs to be one of them), while the Gen IV observations are 13.6% likely (in contrast to 86.4%). That's not really much.
In addition, I tested in Generation III (I'm not easily able to in Gen IV). Out of 50 hits, 9 were critical hits. Despite being a small sample, my apparent "luck" boosts the same measure to 96.8% likely 1/8 chance (and only 3.2% 1/16).
That's not compelling evidence for me that UPC is correct with everything (in particular, whether high CH chance moves are only boosted by 1 stage!), but it is enough for me to seriously doubt the "No increased CH ratio, wrong description" thesis. Is it also enough to convince you? Nescientist (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I modified the critical hit ratio in Ruby so that +0 had 100%. I did 10 straight Absorbs and saw 10 straight crits. Then I did a Leaf Blade and immediately got just a regular hit. Then I did 10 straight Razor Winds...and got 10 straight crits (which should not happen if it has a high critical hit rate like Leaf Blade). Then I did a couple Sky Attacks and got a couple regular hits.
Razor Wind cannot have a high critical hit rate (+0), while Sky Attack must (I did 5 attacks where +1 was 100% instead of +0 (Absorb did not crit) and got crits each time, so it's +1). Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Well, that was unexpected. (Because I can't read.)
Also, that's a neat way to confirm the +1 thing. Thanks, Tiddlywinks. (I believe you wouldn't be able to do the same for Razor Wind in FRLG or Emerald, or would you?) Nescientist (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Razor Wind works the same in FR and Em work. 5 crits each on Wing Attack/Scratch and Razor Wind when +0 is 100%, and a regular hit with Slash. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Users on the Pseudo-Legendaries page

Would it be notable in "Users" that Ryuki would be included in trainers that use pseudo-legendary Pokemon since he uses a Kommo-o in a Title Defence battle? Although I'm not sure if it counts since I'm not clear if Title Defence would count as an elite 4/champion battle. Also would it be notable to list Molayne using a Metagross as well as Ryuki using a Garchomp and Dragonite?Nikuriku (talk) 07:35, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Would it be relevant? Because although these users aren't part of an elite 4 or champion, technically they're part of the final battle as a possible opponent.Nikuriku (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
If you check the page, SnorlaxMonster already added it days ago. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:45, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

GSC Shiny Gyarados

I'm being a bit nitpicky here, Gold / Silver / Crystal call the battle type 7 for Shiny Gyarados (which sets the DVs to 14 ATK / 10 DEF / 10 SPE / 10 SPC and prevents fleeing). It doesn't use the same handler than the other scripted battles (it calls F:598D). I'm fine with not mentioning it on the Shiny Pokémon page though. --Froggy25 (talk) 07:53, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

My point was that it was a special battle, not necessarily that it was the same type of special battle. It's one of several special battles that "Cannot flee" applies to, so how it's technically implemented is irrelevant to the reader (unless there's some particular distinction other than having fixed IVs that you want to emphasize). --SnorlaxMonster 08:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Image conversion

Screenshoted images for Who's that Pokemon, can they be converted for bulbapedia? SM009 WTP_SM010.png

SM010 149583593610562.png

SM011 WTP_SM011.png --BigDocFan (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

The screenshots seem fine themselves, but they are way too low resolution to be used. If you can retake them at reasonable resolutions, please upload them. --SnorlaxMonster 04:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Not sure how I can do that, I screenshoted these from youtube, could try again when they are on CITV as they worked with previous images--BigDocFan (talk) 09:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
If you screenshotted them from YouTube they should be much higher resolution than that. I'm seeing them as 180 x 101 pixels. Regardless, it is better to screenshot them from official sources like CITV. --SnorlaxMonster 12:05, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
CITV start airing episodes from tomorrow so will screenshot them on CITV, unable to upload the images because I am not a Autoconfirmed users, Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, confirmed, Senior Administrators, Advisory Council, Technical staff.--BigDocFan (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I guess you're not autoconfirmed on the Archives yet. Once you've taken the screenshots, upload them to an external site and link me them on my Archives talk page and I'll upload them for you. --SnorlaxMonster 13:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Will do, I really enjoy contributing to Bulbapedia--BigDocFan (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Sent a screenshot from SM009 as requested--BigDocFan (talk) 07:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Second time lucky, probably used the wrong link--BigDocFan (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, OK if every time an episode airs, I send a screenshot for WTP to be converted--BigDocFan (talk) 10:08, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Image Replacement Permission

Hello! I'm trying to change the Pokédex entry image on this page, but it seems that I must ask for permission from an administrator to do that. I would like to upload this image. Could you help me? I would like to change the image of dex entries on glitch Pokémon pages with a better resolution. Thanks. Alles Sandro (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

The current image seems to be roughly in the native resolution, whereas your image is a blown up version. However, the current image is also a bit blurry and not quite the native resolution (whereas a:File:RBGlitchDexMissingno..png does appear to be). I scaled your image down to the native resolution and replaced the existing image. --SnorlaxMonster 15:12, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Where can I upload other dex image? I would like to replace all the blurry version of glitch Pokémon Alles Sandro (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
You can upload them at a:Special:Upload. --SnorlaxMonster 16:07, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Generation II AI misses

I've repeatedly postponed mainspacing this, hoping for some bright idea: In Generation II, battle mechanics are biased. Stat-lowering, sleep-inducing, paralyzing and poisoning status moves used by AI opponents have a 1/4 of failing, before applying accuracy tests (except in the Battle Tower or after Lock-On/Mind-Reader). This seems to also affect stat-lowering effects of damaging moves, whose real chance of activating their effects should be 1/4 lower for opponents, except for Mud-Slap and Octazooka. So, for example, opponents' Growl can miss at neutral accuracy/evasion levels (which I've re-confirmed on a Silver cartridge), but yours can't; your Aurora Beam should have a 10% of lowering their Atk, but theirs has a 7.5% chance of lowering yours.

That's problematic enough, but my real problem is: Where does this belong? I don't have anything I'm 100% comfortable with: I can't seem to find a way to have it fit smoothly anywhere, but it's important enough that it should probably be on multiple pages, somehow. So, my bright idea is to ask for bright ideas. Do you have any? Nescientist (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, we could certainly create a Miss article and include them there. Otherwise, I don't really have any good ideas. (Miss has been on my personal sticky note of articles to create for years, just like confusion and Rare Candy.) --SnorlaxMonster 03:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
That'd be a good place for it, yes. Have you also considered a more general article on hitting, that would include things like accuracy tests (and their bypass), "miss", "fail", "ineffective", "protection", and "lack of target"? I guess all but "ineffective" could even redirect there, and we could even try to include something on additional effects, possibly even target/range. The title isn't as straightforward (maybe the lack of a good title is the main counterargument), but I guess a more general page could be more useful!? (I don't really like our current accuracy article, especially if we relocate the Gen I glitch, so maybe we should keep in mind to also improve it along the way!?) Nescientist (talk) 16:30, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to have an answer here, please. Have you considered it? Is it infeasible/worse, do you have an opinion? (I guess neither of us want to give the impression that we're just blindly editing without a necessary level of cooperation and thought, or even against each other; I'm very sure on my part, I will strongly counteract and avoid giving that impression.) Nescientist (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
I think an article on "fail" could work, and maybe one on "protection", but I unless you can come up with a general title I think that kind of thing would need to just go on move or similar. I certainly agree that the accuracy article isn't particularly good at the moment as well. --SnorlaxMonster 16:06, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. (Personally—and I guess I'm not into it as much as you are—I hope that "miss" and "fail" are similar/interrelated enough to warrant squeezing them on the same page either way.) Nescientist (talk) 16:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Possible error

I'm noticing that the "What links here" pages aren't really working lately and I was wondering if it's just what I'm seeing. For instance, I checked SM029's "What links here" page and I can't see pages that clearly linked to SM029. Playerking95 (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Pls Upload images for Pokémon Go

  • Gen 2 Pokémon models
  • Icon types Pokemon
  • Load Screen April 2017 and June 2017

Thank you Tomarzig (talk) 07:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Bulba Handbook

Do you know where Bulba Handbook gets their information? I know for sure that not all of it's from Bulbapedia, because some stuff on Bulba Handbook isn't on Bulbapedia. If you don't know, who should I ask? sumwun (talk) 16:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

"Wimp Out and Emergency Exit do not activate to allow a Pokémon to flee"

Do you mean that they activate to switch Pokemon, or do they not activate at all? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 04:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

I never tested them against Trainer battles in trials. But in wild battles, they just do not activate. --SnorlaxMonster 04:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

How's the global police thing significant?


You said "A minor reference to something that became more significant in later games is definitely notable". Is there something missing? Because if there is, I think it should be added. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

The International Police appear significantly from Platinum onward. I think the link to the article should be sufficient detail. --SnorlaxMonster 16:01, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

About the Archives page and uploading 3DS images

Regarding uploading images from 3DS games, it says I have to provide a unique screenshot as well as contact an Advisory Council Member such as yourself. Could you please help me with the steps I have to take regarding the provision of a unique screenshot in order to be able to upload images straight from the games? Thanks.Nikuriku (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Please take a screenshot of the summary screen of a Rockruff nicknamed "NikurikuBP", upload it to an external image host (not the Archives), and link it to me. --SnorlaxMonster 14:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
http://imgur.com/a/KRMl3 Any other steps after this? Because once this is complete I intend to delete the post.Nikuriku (talk) 12:13, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Okay, feel free to upload 3DS screenshots that you have captured now. Feel free to delete the sample image if you want. --SnorlaxMonster 13:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Approval for userspace pages to moved to the mainspace

I've been working on a few pages that have been intended for the mainspace right from the start, most of them are ready to be moved now. I just need the pages to be approved for being moved from the userspace. These are the pages: User:Ztash/List of original series episodes in Danish, User:Ztash/List of Advanced Generation series episodes in Danish, User:Ztash/List of Diamond & Pearl series episodes in Danish, and User:Ztash/List of movies in Danish. Ztash (talk) 00:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't think these should be implemented as mainspace pages, but it is useful to have the dates collected somewhere. I'm not sure how we should go about putting that information in the mainspace, however. --SnorlaxMonster 04:58, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
Why do you think so? The idea was that each series would get its own page the way I did it as to easily keep track of a certain dub (in this case Danish) instead of having to scurry through every single episode page to find trivia or dub changes relevant for a specific language. Alternatively, they could all share one page, but I think we would end up with unnecessarily long pages in that case. Ztash (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Staff guidance

Would it be possible for you to provide a staff opinion in the discussion at Template talk:Ash's Pokémon#Fanmade sprite, please? Thank you! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 13:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm willing to put a Gen VII Shiny Photo on the Shiny Pokémon Page!

Hi, SnorlaxMonster, I'm new to Bulbapedia but even knowing that newbies get very little access to doing anything on Bulbapedia, I want to get permisson to put an image on the Shiny Pokemon Page! But not just any image. Just like the Generation 2, 3, 4, and 5 images that look like GIFs, I recently made a Generation Generation 7 GIF that I want to get permission to do.

It even says this on the page: {{incomplete|needs=info and images for Generation VII}}

Since it's been several months without a Generation VII Image and after the Generation VI image is not a GIF, I am willing to bring back the GIF Photos with Generation VII!

Would it be okay if I uploaded the Shiny Pokémon Generation VII Sparkling Photo?

I already made it[3] --JohnKroozie (talk) 17:44, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Did you capture the image yourself, or did you create this GIF from someone else's video? We have had issues in the past of users taking images from other people and uploading them here without permission, so we have strict rules regarding images from 3DS games to ensure that the uploader has permission to upload that image. --SnorlaxMonster 04:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

If I could, I'd tell you how I captured it! As I was recording Pokemon Sun on my Nintendo 3DS, I unexpectedly encountered a Shiny the regular way! That's when I used Premiere Pro to edit out everything in the recording EXCEPT for the Shiny Part. Then I took advantage of Premiere Pro's "Export" setting to convert the video to a GIF File! Then I used an online website to make it a real GIF. And I'm sorry I kinda replied late! --JohnKroozie (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. Anyway, we normally don't use animated images for 3D games because the filesizes end up too large; we have a maximum filesize of 2 MB, which I would surprised if you were able to get that image to fit inside (either as a GIF or animated PNG). However, a still image of the sparkle effect would certainly be useful.
Anyway, before I give you the go-ahead to upload such a still image, just to make sure you did actually capture the image yourself, would you mind taking a screenshot of a Pikachu nicknamed "KroozieBP" and uploading it to an external image host (like Imgur)? This is just standard procedure for users who want to upload 3DS images. Thanks for your help. (Also, it's worth noting that you aren't autoconfirmed on the Archives, so you won't be able to upload it anyway.)--SnorlaxMonster 09:33, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


May I ask you for some input as it looks like you're currently active?Great Bear (talk) 12:18, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Please just ask straight away if you want my opinion on something, rather than asking to ask. --SnorlaxMonster 12:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Oh sorry, anyway there is an issue I have with the wording on a trivia on M09. I changed "most likely" to "may be" but Frozen Fennec reverted me and said that the wording was fine, I discussed it with that user and it ultimately ended with ask a staff member. I asked Tiddlywinks but got no response do I'm asking you for some input.Great Bear (talk) 13:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Tiddlywinks has seen your message and will get back to you later. --SnorlaxMonster 14:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Articles like In-battle effect item

Now that all the information from those articles has been transcribed to each item's own page, should we reduce those articles to categories? If we want to keep them as articles, then I think we should at least change "Template:Item" to link to the item's main article. sumwun (talk) 04:01, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

They already do link to the item main articles, although perhaps it would be better to have the link in the item's name rather than the lower right. As for what to do with them, some of them are worth keeping IMO (herbal medicine), but others (like In-battle effect item) are worth reviewing; however, I'd rather we deal with them once we have split all of the items. We still have a lot of items to split. --SnorlaxMonster 06:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC)


Hey, so I found you via recent changes as a big time user, so you're probably my best bet to answer a question. I'm a long-time Pokemon fan, Bulbapedia reader, and Wiki contributor; but, with regards to that latter point, I've never edited on this particular wiki. I've noticed some things I can improve here, but I can't. My ideas require an additional MediaWiki extension. What I mostly need to know is the best possible place to post a fully fleshed-out proposal. I think my ideas will improve on every aspect of how things operate. My phrasing here was kind of vague, so if you require more info about my ideas, I'd be happy to elaborate a little.

As I said, I'm not new to wiki editing in general. I do know the difficulties of being in a new community though. I think my ideas are really good, but they're also really big, and I don't want to impose or act like a big shot. Somedumguy (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

New MediaWiki extensions are very unlikely to be added. However, if you do want to make a suggestion, I would recommend the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 01:46, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I started there before coming to you, but I wasn't able to post anywhere after making an account. Is there some automatic vetting time? Also, would I post on the suggestions thread, or can I start a new topic for an idea that's a bit larger than one suggestion?
BTW, I hope I didn't come off as too ambitious. It's probably not every day someone comes along asking for core upgrades to to implement gigantic projects. Somedumguy (talk) 13:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
What error message do you get when you try to create a thread in that forum?
You can either create a new thread or just post in the existing thread. Whichever you think is more appropriate. If you're unable to create a thread yourself, I would recommend just posting in the general suggestions thread. --SnorlaxMonster 13:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Staff member

I tried to make a change to the Normal (type) article. However, I was reverted and told to ask a staff member's approval [4]. If you examine the changes, you will know what I was trying to do. As a staff member, do approve of my change to the page? RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 04:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

3DS image uploads and Miiverse

I am interested in uploading images from Rumble World and Super Mystery Dungeon, mainly of moves and status conditions, but also anything else that might need an image from those games. However, since I lack 3DS capture capability, I would first have to upload the images to Miiverse, then save them from there and upload them to the archives. Images uploaded to Miiverse are initially .jpg, which I understand isn't ideal, so I was wondering if it was still fine to use them as long as I converted them to png before uploading to the archives. VioletPumpkin (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

I've uploaded miiverse images myself (it's the only way I can). But don't procrastinate; the miiverse is shutting down in November. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. And yeah, the announcement is what pushed me to finally move forward with this. I'd still like to wait a bit to see if SnorlaxMonster has anything to add, but if not I'll start working on it. VioletPumpkin (talk) 00:18, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Low quality JPEG images are better than nothing. Please upload them as PNGs though, so they can be replaced by PNGs in the future. --SnorlaxMonster 02:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Category update problem

As you're the first person I tend to think about when I encounter a problem in Bulbapedia (sorry about that, BTW), I decided to ask you if you know anything about this thing. For some reason, about a month ago, Bulbapedia started acting weird for me for a short time (like logging me out whenever I left the site etc.), after which 1) all links that I had used on Bulbapedia turned from "used" to "unused", and, more importantly, 2) categories started refusing to update. Now whenever a page is added to a category, or even when a category is created with a page already listed in that category, the page does not show up in that category. Sorry if this sounds like rambling, but do you know about anything that could've caused this? Oh, and in case this subject is talked about at the Bulbagarden forums, just a heads-up: I don't use that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know about your logging out frequently or used to unused problem (most likely it's your internet browser), but the category problem have already been discussed and they replied multiple times. This problem occurs when Bulbapedia switched to using https instead of http. Categories, what links here and some archives image linking have been showing problems since then. As well as that 404 errors/major blackout just last month. — Ruixiang95 12:00, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, I understand. Thanks for explaining. Is this problem going to be fixed at some point? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:15, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
I have no control over this issue. I have been bugging Archaic to nudge the tech team about this issue somewhat often, but I don't have direct contact with them so I have no idea how much progress they have made. You would be better off asking Archaic directly (in this one specific occasion). --SnorlaxMonster 08:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I may very well try that at some point. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:41, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

New Interface

Why do Bulbapedia visitors see a top bar instead of a side bar when they aren't logged in? sumwun (talk) 20:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

It's a new design optimized to decrease the number of ads on the page. I had no role in the decision or design. --SnorlaxMonster 10:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Do you know why people don't see it when they're logged in? sumwun (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
The skin is only intended to be displayed for logged out users. I'm not entirely sure why that decision was made. --SnorlaxMonster 15:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Do you know who made the decision? sumwun (talk) 17:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


Can you unprotect it, please? Also, are there (near-)future plans for Berry articles (or their templates) that you know of? Nescientist (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes are typically protected, and I think this one should remain as such. I've added Gen 7 descriptions as requested on the talk page though; let me know if anything else needs to be changed about it.
IMO, Berry pages should be redesigned to have a consistent style to the new individual item pages (my example: User:SnorlaxMonster/ItemInfobox/Razz Berry). However, I haven't made any effort to push this design, because we're still working on splitting the other items right now. --SnorlaxMonster 08:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough. Anyway, I guess you may want to remove the roundy classes from the Generation VI description. (Though you may want to wait for me to add the missing descriptions.) Also, the if for the Generation V description queries Generation IV's; luckily, it doesn't make a difference, but you may want to change it regardless.
That's a good idea, I'll be waiting.
While I'm here, what items are about to be split? Do you have a list of (core series) items that should not get an article? And if not, when editing, should I re-link only those items that happen to already have their article (like I currently do), all of them, or those I believe will/should be given their article? Thanks. Nescientist (talk) 15:12, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
The goal is the ultimately split every item. I believe the Data Cards are not planned to have their own articles though, and items like Gram 1-3 would share a page. Wonder Launcher items are getting their own pages hasn't been discussed. There hasn't been a decision about how to deal with Poké Ball yet (due to the specific item and overall class sharing a name), so that's currently on hold. TMs and HMs are fine how they are for now and won't be getting the new item template.
Regarding relinking, I've been linking directly to the item names for years (originally even replacing section links with plain links), although another user would usually change them to section links after my edits. I don't see any point in not relinking pages that will need to be in the near future, so when I edit pages I have been turning all item links into plain links (except {{ball|Poké}}, {{DL|Potion|Potion}}, and {{DL|Revive|Revive}}) even when the items don't have individual pages yet. --SnorlaxMonster 16:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. That seems reasonable, I think I'll adopt that, then. I've very recently thought about a related issue, and with the items split, I think I might try to rid myself of the habit of always using direct links. (My thought experiment has me use direct links for things like [[super-effective]] and [[Masked Royal]], even though they might never be non-redirects.)
Also, I think I'm done with Berries for now, btw. Nescientist (talk) 17:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia has a policy about linking to redirects not being a problem, particularly when they indicate possible future articles. However, that policy doesn't apply here, and it shouldn't necessarily be applied. On Bulbapedia, the policy is typically to avoid redirects (although the List of items by index number pages have been violating that for years, and the Pokédex entry template does too for convenience).
In the particular examples you give, I think they should just be left as they are for now. --SnorlaxMonster 03:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Trying to avoid a misunderstanding: I didn't mean to say I'll go around and enforce some redirect links here and there. I meant to say I'd use them (i.e., not rule them out) when editing; for example, when moving the effectiveness stuff from damage to type, I'd relink {{DL|Damage|super effective}} to [[super effective]] (rather than {{DL|Type|super effective}} or similar). Are you suggesting I rather not do that? Nescientist (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
That's probably a better solution for that case, in my opinion. --SnorlaxMonster 15:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Um, which one? Not doing it? Nescientist (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Linking to [[super effective]] after you move the content between pages. --SnorlaxMonster 15:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Alright, gotcha. Thanks. Nescientist (talk) 15:37, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I understand there will be individual articles named "Helix Fossil", "Growth Mulch", "Rainbow Wing", "Dragon Gem", "Excite Scent" etc. (or that at least those would be proper link targets), is that correct? Will there be articles on all unobtainable items? Should {{key}} be replaced, and/or will it eventually just be "updated" (to simply [[{{{2}}}|{{{3|{{{2}}}}}}]]) and called deprecated? (Same for {{ball}}, but I guess you wouldn't know yet?) Nescientist (talk) 11:44, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, those examples would be correct, although there hasn't really been any specific discussion on Colo/XD-exclusive items. Unobtainable items probably won't, although the Teru-sama is going to keep the page it already has. For key items, the plain page name is often a disambig and not a redirect (e.g. S.S. Ticket), so it's not really the best idea to link to them. --SnorlaxMonster 12:23, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
You're suggesting to wait with replacing {{key}}, in general, right? Okay. (And just to be sure you are aware, the Teru-sama isn't the only unobtainable item that currently has an article, and I guess at least the Fairy Gem is still about to receive one.) Nescientist (talk) 15:17, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I would leave {{key}} alone unless the item already has its own page. And yeah, I was mostly thinking about the Gen I and II unobtainable items; I guess most of the Gen 3+ unobtainable items probably will eventually get pages (maybe not the Key Stone items), but they're low priority (although I would give Fairy Gem when doing the rest of the Gems). --SnorlaxMonster 15:28, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I really have to ask, but.. can I create item articles (or help create them)? A certain template, if it gets approved, could then use links to Z-Crystal names without those being redirects. Nescientist (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. I made an example of how I think the Normalium Z page could look. Feel free to change it if you're not satisfied with it. --SnorlaxMonster 16:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I already have Buginium ready here, so I'll just save it and rather offer you to do that!? (I tried not to explicitly mention the Bag/held item thing, and I included prices because I saw Gracidea had them.) Nescientist (talk) 16:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't entirely satisfied with the Bag/held item description I gave anyway, so I changed it. As for the prices, I didn't remember if I had been putting them on key item pages so I checked GB Sounds, but it might be an odd one out. --SnorlaxMonster 16:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Game-exclusive Template

Hi. I have completed the Game-exclusive template (Template:Vex) for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (ready to press save). However, you want me to create in my own userspace first or don't create at all? Or are we going to update "Template:Vex7" to include USUM or a separate template under "Template:Vexusum"? If on a separate template, should I put in Regional variants first, since it's not confirmed these games will have them? Thanks. — Ruixiang95 17:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I also wanted to add this information to Poké Transporter but don't know how to go about it. When FARFETCH'D is Poké-Banked from RBY to SM, the apostrophe will be gone and it becomes Farfetch d. The apostrophe isn't available if you wanna rename FARFETCH'D to Farfetch'd. Thanks! — Ruixiang95 17:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Just like BW/B2W2, there should be separate game-exclusive templates for SM and USUM.
Oh right, I had forgotten that Farfetch'd had roughly the same issue as Mr. Mime (I had seen it shortly after RBY were supported by Bank). Now that you can get them without nicknames, it's a significant issue. --SnorlaxMonster 17:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
So should I just create in mainspace or userspace first? Mr. Mime cannot be caught in the wild but Farfetch'd can be caught Wild in Yellow. — Ruixiang95 17:31, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
In this case, I don't see any issue with creating the template directly.
Oh right, I had forgotten you could find wild Farfetch'd in Yellow. I guess it had more reason to be listed than Mr. Mime then... --SnorlaxMonster 17:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

A totally random thing that I need someone's help for

As I've noticed that Bulbapedia seems to have allowed adding the actual type of type-changing moves (like Hidden Power or Multi-Attack), as opposed to them just being listed as Normal-type moves, into in-game moveset templates, I've been in the process of adding those missing types wherever I can. Unfortunately, since Hidden Power is a rather common move in Pokémon Stadium 2, a game I do not own, I've been restricted into using YouTube videos while figuring them out, and those videos are a rather limited resource. They've only helped me in figuring out the type of a handful of them, but many still remain unsolved. Which brings me to my point: is there any way of figuring these out? Since you're my go-to guy when it comes to problems I face in Bulbapedia (an honest apology if that bothers you, BTW), I though about asking this from you. So, do you or anybody else you might think of have a way of figuring this out? Thank you for reading. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:42, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

I imagine you could check the game data of Stadium 2 to find out, but I don't really have the ability to do that. The easier alternative would just be to get someone who does have the game to check, rather than relying on YouTube videos. I don't have the game, but you could check the category Pokémon Stadium 2 players and ask an active user there. --SnorlaxMonster 09:47, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
I thought about that possibility, too. I agree that checking the game's code would be the easiest way of find this stuff out. However, I'm not sure which Stadium 2 players actually know how to dig into the game's coding, so I guess "manual checking" is the best alternative. I even remember all the Trainers whose Hidden Power types need to be checked in Stadium 2. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:14, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
To be clear, I did mean ask one of those users to manually check, not check the games' code. I wouldn't expect most people to be able to do the latter. --SnorlaxMonster 10:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I understood that as well. I basically meant to say that checking the code can be a bit hard for your average player, so manual checking can be much easier. I've just noticed that some Pokémon seem really reluctant to use Hidden Power, either because the AI is being a bit dumb, or the type of the move is extremely situational. Either way, yeah. I'll ask someone to check them if they can. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Generation VI Glitches

Hello. I put on the page List of glitches in Generation VI about opponents in the Battle Maison using Will-O-Wisp on one of their allies and you removed it because you said it may be for intended behavior. I understand that it may be used for intended behavior but I have had many cases where they use it on their allies without any intention (e.g. the target doesn't have Guts or Facade). Someone else has encountered this on the talk page and has agreed with me. Have you encountered it? Do you want me to find evidence? Thanks. The IceCream (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Minor edits

I wonder if these minor edits are necessary: [5], [6], [7]. They don't make any difference when you view them. Thanks. — Ruixiang95 13:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Photon Geyser

"Necrozma can learn this move when it’s in its Dusk Mane or Dawn Wings forms, as well". I taked this on the official USUM site, so, Photon Geyser is exclusive to Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings forms like Kyurem's Ice Burn or Freeze Shock. - unsigned comment from Pika fanatic (talkcontribs)

I believe the context makes it clear that "as well" means "in addition to its regular form". It talks about regular Necrozma at first, then specifies the alternate forms "as well". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Pokemon page updates

Now that I took care of the the disambiguation for the USUM Pokédex, I would like to know the status for the plans to update the Pokemon page templates with the new numbers. Once you are ready and let me know about what coding is going to be used, I can help with setting it up for the Templates for all the Pokémon pages involved with that Pokédex listing. Once this is done it should take another big chunk out of the remainder for the USUM updates. -Tyler53841 (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Missing Page

Hi, I've not been on for quite a time, and I remember making a page about the 30 question mark glitch (here's the picture I used), but now I can't find it, neither in the wiki itself nor in my contributions. Do you maybe know how come? Thanks Lokki (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Power of variable moves

It has come to my attention on my talk page that the moves Eruption and Water Spout consistently or semi-consistently have their power listed as — on learnset pages and as 150 on pages that list moves. Which of these is correct? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

In-game their power is listed as 150. I think the best option is to match the game on both the move and learnset pages. If you look at the section #Moves that power up above, you can see some discussion relating to this (but not directly related). --SnorlaxMonster 23:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit Summary

Should user PokeAmour be allowed to make an edit summary like this on this edit: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=SM065&diff=prev&oldid=2743153? - unsigned comment from Playerking95 (talkcontribs)

Ability Capsule and Category:Items

While I am not one to argue with Admins or otherwise authority, stating that Category:Items is used for only items in the Item pocket is 100% false. Category:Items currently (and as far as I am aware has always) contained subcategoried for Key Items, Berries, and Medicine, and contains unlistable number of items that are not just "Item Pouch" items. Category:Medicine itself is entirely part of Category:Items, and all items within it use the dual category classification that you just undid, which is why I was correcting it the Ability Capsule page.

No disrespect intended, but I feel this change to be both incorrect and counterproductive --13akoors (talk) 05:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: After re-looking, it seeks that only subcategories follow the system I was using. That said, Ability Capsules do not fit within any subcategory, so I would argue an exception should be made for it

I think I might have been a bit unclear. Only items in the items pocket should be directly placed in Category:Items. The Medicine category is in Category:Items, but the items in Category:Medicine are not also placed directly in Category:Items.
There was discussion about creating a new category specifically for the items pocket (so that no items would be placed directly in Category:Items), although we hadn't agreed on a name. --SnorlaxMonster 05:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Ah. This makes sense Good luck on the addition of an "Item's Pocket" category...Seeing as how the word "item" is used for basically everything in the bag, I hope you find a better word...--13akoors (talk) 05:54, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

A bunch of things

Hi there. I've got several things:

  1. User talk:Kogoro#Template:MoveInfobox: Any idea what to do about it? I've really tried hard, and Kogoro is(/was) aware but continues to ignore me. (Also, do you know anything regarding BulbaBot? I'm not even sure it's intended to be fixed.)
  2. Talk:Pokémon outbreak#Generation III outbreaks: FYI.
  3. The fossil pages: I guess pages named "X and Y Fossils" are supposed to end up deleted? If so, I guess the procedure would be to first de-link them, then move them onto "X Fossil" (to preserve history) and split off "Y Fossil"? If that's right/reasonable, if someone went and took care of links, would you be able to do the rest (as Lanthanum has started to create individual pages in their userspace, I guess it'll require delete and mergehistory)?
  4. #New pages notability/User:Nescientist/Confusion (status condition): Any progress there?
  5. Template talk:Sup/t#Link target: Could you have a look, please?
  6. Template:Movelist: I'd like to have movelists like those at Snatch be sortable. But the template creates and hides up to four columns, causing the Gen.VII column to order by Gen.III etc., which makes me wonder: what was wrong with this edit that caused you to develop some workaround (that breaks the sorting)? (And also, why are there even optional generic columns at all?) You're more into it, plus you stated reasons in that workaround edit summary that I think I fail to understand thoroughly.

Thanks. Nescientist (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Bumping, and expanding:
7. Could you do the Bottle Caps Lanthanum started in their userspace?
8. Can I do Potion in a similar way than Revive (and change {{DL|Potion|Potion}} be changed to [[Potion]] in the process?)
9. What also came to my mind is legendary artifacts: Akurochan recently created articles on many of them, and when considering how to fix their introductions, I came to the conclusion that I think we shouldn't deliberately link there at all, but delete the page!? It's basically just a list of {{Item}} templates for largely unrelated items, and you said at its talk that it was just a title that describes that list. I don't know how much deleting pages with histories (and talk pages) is frowned upon (and I don't like it much), so maybe we just move the article onto the category?? (Should I address this on the articles talk page? Or else, if you give me a go, I guess I can do the rest even without admin powers!?)
Sorry, but I don't really know better than to just drop anything here. If there's someone else who can (currently) assist (or accept assistance) better for any or all matters, please direct me. :) Nescientist (talk) 16:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


The user Pikachuluckynumber25's recent edit on EP001's page was vandalism. Playerking95 (talk)


I know it says you're not supposed to alert a mod when.there are pages to be deleted, but it still seems like Pages to be deleted has not been cleaned out in a long while. Could you or some other admin please clear it out? Thanks! Mr. Daikon (talk) 12:48, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Tapu Koko

I was wondering, could my Tapu Koko's anime page be main-spaced? It's had a major role in about 3 episodes. SM002, SM019 and SM052, where it helped to create Ash's Z-Power Ring. It could even be argued that it giving Ash the Z-Ring and spying on Ash in SM001 was a pretty big part. Playerking95 (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Personally I feel the Guardian deities anime [[8]] should receive main space. All of them together rather than 4 possible individual spaces--BigDocFan (talk) 16:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Son of a gun

I wish to report Son of a gun for various edits he makes, using language like Bitch, asshole and dumbmass. Have removed the asshole from Bulbasaur page but left the rest for you to see now I've reported it.--BigDocFan (talk) 14:42, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


This template comes with a nice guide explaining how to use it, but it's only nice up to Generation 5. Can you update it? sumwun (talk) 16:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Route encounter corrections

I'm always pleased to see someone fixing something faulty, and in this case, I'm referring to your recents of fixing Sinnoh Route Pokémon lists. As such, I wonder if you could do a double-check on Sinnoh Route 226's encounter rates? Apparently they are in the need of one. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Deformed page

The new Move Tutor templates have caused Celadon City's page to look a bit deformed. Can you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Fixed it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I figured it'd be something simple, I just didn't know what. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

TM Table

Hiya. Could you help update Template:TMtable to accommodate for the multiple Gen 7 TMs and Template:Learnlist/levelVII for LGPE movesets? Thanks! Lanthanum (talk) 12:40, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

In kinda the same vein: when are the Let's Go Pokémon templates (the ones for movesets and encounter lists) coming? We've already got the item one all set up. What about these? I mean, I've seen them being worked on already, but why haven't they been mainspaced yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:53, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Im trying to Work on a Sitting Cuties Plush page, but I cant upload images. Am I doing something wrong? Thx Brendan C (talk) 14:09, 18 November 2018 (UTC)BrendanC

Let's Go items

Do you know what Berries the bush on Route 11 gives out? I've bern trying to figure it out, but since I don't have the game and people on YouTube don't seem to get close enough to that bush for their walking Pokémon to notice (excluding once, but even then they didn't check if they found anything), which is how I know the bush has Berries in the first place. So yeah. Can you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

There are no bushes on Route 11 that give items. There are a few bushes that look the same as ones that do, but the ones on Route 11 don't give any items. Your Pokémon will be interested in the bush in the northwest, but it doesn't actually find an item. --SnorlaxMonster 05:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Although, I hope you know this for sure. Not every inspection and/or Pokémon reveals a hidden item. The same can occur with the Pretty Wings in Cerulean and Vermilion. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
1) I hope you'll recheck the bush just in case, because I have a hunch that it's not empty. 2) I've seen people picking up Fresh Waters from water dispensers at the Celadon Condominiums and Silph Co. Could you check if they're one-offs, if they renew like daily or so, or whatever. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

LPE Japanese names

I've noticed that in the Let's Go games, if there was a Trainer with the same English name in the same area in Generation III, their Japanese name is also the same as in Generation III, even if their Trainer class is not the same. As for the Trainers who weren't present in Generation III, I've used Japanese Let's Go videos, a katakana table, and Google Translate to figure out their Japanese names. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I would still prefer to confirm each case, which is why I don't fill in the names as I add them. --SnorlaxMonster 11:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
I understand. But so far, every name I've personally checked has followed this pattern. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
And this has nothing to do with names but I really don't want to create another talk page title already: what about the special spawns? Like Bulbasaur in Viridian Forest and Chansey in who knows how many locations? How will they be listed in the encounter lists? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Key item pages

I understand the edits you've made on Key Item pages today. But would it be possible if you went through all the Key Item pages follow this same kind of format or whatever? Because i personally don't really like inconsistency. I'm ready to help you, of course, if you wish so. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the acquisition lines, I had originally designed the item pages to have different generations on different lines, so I'm not sure which other pages snuck under the radar.
Regarding the Pokémon templates, I know there are several pages that use these, but I don't really have the time to go through them all right now. --SnorlaxMonster 15:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
It's perfectly okay. Of course you don't have to do everything in one go. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:48, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Separate shiny images for Diancie and Mega Diancie (for use on long-overdue Diancie usertag)

Given that you uploaded a:File:Shiny Diancie Mega Evolution.png, can you please carefully extract the Shiny Diancie and Shiny Mega Diancie images from the background and upload them as individual, transparent-background images of the same size as their non-shiny Global Link counterparts (a:File:719Diancie Dream.png and a:File:719Diancie Mega Dream.png)? I am trying to make a usertag for Diancie using the Dream images (because Diancie has no Black/White-style sprites) and want to accommodate both Shiny and Shiny Mega images into the coding. I cannot use the Spr_6x_, Spr_6o_, or Spr_7s_ images because they have too much transparent padding around and the MediaWiki software does not allow for cropping images invoked using the [[File:image.png|size]] construct.

For comparison: (for some reason userboxitem tables do not render in talk pages?)

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:719Diancie Dream.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:719Diancie Mega Dream.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.


{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6x_719.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6o_719M.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6x_719_s.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Shiny Pokémon|shiny}} '''{{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.

{| class="userboxitem" style="background: #{{fairy color}}; border: 1px solid #{{rock color dark}}; {{roundy|60px}}" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
! style="background: #{{rock color light}}; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr_6o_719M_s.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{rock color dark}};" | This user has a {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Shiny Pokémon|shiny}} '''{{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Mega Evolution|Mega}} {{pcolor|Diancie|{{rock color dark}}}}'''.

--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446) (talk) 08:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Rather than creating a new usertag for every single Mythical Pokémon, instead I've made {{User Has Pokémon}}, which you can use for any Pokémon. Try these out to get what you're looking for.
{{User Has Pokémon|719Diancie Dream|Diancie|Fairy|Rock}}
{{User Has Pokémon|719Diancie Mega Dream|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form='''Mega'''}}
{{User Has Pokémon|Spr 6x 719 s|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form=Shiny}}
{{User Has Pokémon|Spr 6o 719M s|Diancie|Fairy|Rock|form=Shiny '''Mega'''}}
As for extracting the Shiny Diancie artwork from that image and putting them on a transparent background, that's really not my area of expertise. If you do end up getting nice clean versions of them however, please do upload them to the Archives. --SnorlaxMonster 11:05, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
If I were an auto-confirmed user at the Archives, I would not be asking you this (I would have quietly done the extraction and the uploads instead). But given that I have no privilege for uploading anything to the Archives, I was thinking of an alternative: I do the extractions (I am skilled in doing so), give them clean transparent backgrounds, and then upload them to PhotoBucket (from where you can then download the images and then upload them yourself to the Archives). Does this sound good to you? --SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446) (talk) 22:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
P.S. BTW, I tried your codes; the first two look fine, albeit with a somewhat darker background behind Diancie and Mega Diancie (I was expecting Rock color light, but at least the images are appropriately sized relative to the roundy field, maybe I could slightly reduce them in size if the Has Pokémon template provides a way to specify image size), while the last two (the shiny ones) look awkwardly tiny (due to the excess transparent padding surrounding those shiny models which cannot be remedied no matter what pixel size you specify on the template), hence my desire to get the shiny images from that Korean Global Link-style artwork instead. --SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446) (talk) 02:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

New vandal

Hey, heads up. Mckenzie6361 (talkcontribs) has quite the talk page going on here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

"Fainted shouldn't be considered a status condition"

It is though. And that's not our decision to make, it's the game's. Revives have been classified as Status Restore since Generation IV. TehPerson (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Also see Fainting and Template:StatusNav if you still disagree. TehPerson (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree, fainting has always been treated as a status condition both in the games and on BP... --Celadonkey (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Status restore includes items that restores status conditions (such as Awakening and Full Restore) as well as items that do not (such as the Red Flute and Revives). The games define status conditions as sleep, poison, freeze, paralysis, and burn. Fainted and Pokérus sometimes use the same position in the user interface for display purposes, but they are not status conditions. --SnorlaxMonster 08:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
That's more like a personal interpretation that something official, which should be kept out of articles. As far as the game is concerned, Revives have been classified under Status Restore, even though I personally think it belongs under HP Restore, and still sometimes look in the wrong pocket for the Revive. Just because I personally think a Revive better fits an HP Restore, I wouldn't put that in BP because that's just personal interpretation. TehPerson (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
The point I'm making is that it's confirmed that the "Status Restore" category isn't exclusively a category for items that restore status conditions, so it provides no indication of whether a given status is a status condition or not. FireRed and LeafGreen's help menu gives a fairly clear definition of "Status Problem" (what status conditions were called at the time).

Status problems include:
Sleep: Can't use moves.
Poison: Causes steady HP loss.
Paralysis: May prevent moves.
Burn: HP loss and lowers ATTACK.
Freeze: Can't use moves.
These can be healed with items, etc.

There are plenty of other cases make it pretty clear that fainting is not a status condition. The descriptions of Safeguard, Full Heal, Full Restore, etc. --SnorlaxMonster 11:20, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
And the glossary on the official Pokémon site leaves no doubt in the matter:
Medicine: "Medicine refers to items that you'll find in the Medicine Pocket of your Bag. These include items to heal HP or PP, such as Potions and Elixirs, items that boost stats or levels, such as vitamins and Rare Candy, and items that help Pokémon recover from status conditions or fainting, such as Antidotes and Revives. If they can be used during battle, it takes one turn." --SnorlaxMonster 11:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


Hi, I'm Dove. I'm new here with an auto-confirmed email address, but for some reason, I cannot edit my user page. Could you create it for me? Plus, could you add a welcome to my talk page? Cheers! DoveSmith (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dove. Users cannot edit their user page until they are autoconfirmed, which requires that you have an account for a few weeks and that you have made at least a certain (reasonably small) number of edits. However, we don't disclose the specific values, in order to make sure that users are actually contributing and not just trying to become autoconfirmed (and I don't remember what they are anyway). I recommend reading the userspace policy, which has more information on this topic. --SnorlaxMonster 08:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


regarding stuff like safari balls being listed under the items section, was wondering if your opinion on this has changed? im of the idea that its pretty much useless/unhelpful. --EternalDragonX (talk) 08:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I definitely think that if we do keep them, they should be in a separate section to indicate that the player doesn't actually get to keep them, like Forage Bag items on the Lush Jungle page (or how we would handle items inside the Battle Pyramid proper vs items the player could obtain in the lobby, although I don't think that's actually a concern). --SnorlaxMonster 09:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
hmm the separate section would literally only be a table with one item tho. that seem allright? --EternalDragonX (talk) 09:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't really mind that much if we list them or not, but if we do list them I think they should be in their own table, even if it only has one entry. --SnorlaxMonster 09:31, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


Regarding the warning that DoveSmith gave me, can you verify if I actually did anything wrong?--BigDocFan (talk) 11:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

DoveSmith has no authority to be issuing any kind of warnings or threats, so just ignore them. Feel free to remove that warning from your talk page (in this specific case only). I would do it, but you've already replied to it, so I would be removing your reply too. --SnorlaxMonster 11:59, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, will remove the whole thing, gives me comfort knowing I didn't do anything wrong and that I wasn't the only one he did it to.--BigDocFan (talk) 12:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

School/College usertags

I made two generic usertags identifying the user as either a student or an alumnus of a user-specified school, college, or university (with a user-specified Pokémon image standing in for the school's mascot):

The usertag policy states that a usertag template may only be moved to templatespace if at least five users transclude it into their userpages. But given that almost everybody in Bulbapedia either attends or has attended school, and given that most schools use animal-based mascots and many Pokémon resemble such animals, it might not be too long before these usertags become popular (perhaps as popular as political tags, if not more). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 21:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Religion usertag

I also made a new religious usertag that you might like to check out:

It is still subject to the usertag policy that requires at least five users before being moved to templatespace. But it's still a cool usertag (that doesn't mean I am a Freemason, however). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Automatically updating GO stats on all the pages

Most of the stats for older-generation Pokémon are grossly outdated, and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to manually go through all the pages to update them, so I created a simple solution to kill hundreds of birds with one stone.

I left the information and test cases here. Basically a lookup template that, when placed into Template:Spindata/GO, will instantly update all the stats.

TehPerson (talk) 00:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Move Reminder stuff

I see you reverted my edit to the Move Reminder page. I just want to say that there wasn't any breeding involved on my end. When I got my Numel to learn Double-Edge and it evolved into Camerupt, eventually I replaced Double-Edge with Earthquake and when I took it to the Move Reminder, Double-Edge was one of the moves that it could re-learn. The same thing happened with a Pikachu that I evolved into a Raichu. The Pikachu had known Agility, which Raichu cannot learn, but upon evolving the Raichu, Agility was available to be re-learned. I didn't undo your edit because I want you to perhaps see for yourself, and because I'm unsure of which generation this phenomenon began. It's very easy to do with Pikachu if you've got some Thunder Stones. BNKTalk 02:11, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Update to Move template for Pokémon GO

I made a proposed update to Template:GoChargedAttack/Template:GoFastAttack templates, and left the information here. It basically combines the two templates into one, and can now display Trainer Battle info as well. TehPerson (talk) 14:08, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Contest stats move table

I see you're an administrator so I think I could get the answer from you. Do you see that humongous move table on Cool (condition)? All contest stats use it and I think it is unreasonably arranged. That's why I've made my own version which should be the best version possible which you can see on my page: User:Dominikololo. I am going to make same ones for remaining stats but often when I try to make such big change, administrators undo it. Is there any issue with my intentions?--Dominikololo (talk) 17:53, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Three additional usertag templates for your consideration

I recently made three new usertag templates: one generic political usertag (remember what I had suggested weeks ago?) and two organization usertags:

If any of these three usertags meets or exceeds the five-userpage threshold specified by the usertag policy for moving into templatespace, then please give it/them some consideration. Thankee! ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 02:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

The Avail templates

Can you add these 2 options to the Avail templates?

Symbol Meaning
TC The Pokémon can be caught in-game after somehow interacting with another game.
TE The Pokémon cannot be caught in-game, but an earlier evolutionary stage can be obtained. It can be evolved into the Pokémon in this game by trading.

Examples for the first row include DPPt Spiritomb and Regigigas and ORAS Giratina. Examples for the second row include RBY Golem and GSC Politoed. Many Pokemon players can't trade, so I think it's important to distinguish these Pokemon from regular C Pokemon and E Pokemon. Also, do you think the availability list can distinguish Pokemon that players can receive only if they give up another Pokemon (like Omanyte and Kabuto in the Kanto games)? sumwun (talk) 16:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Spindata/GO update (again)

Regarding your last comments on the Spindata/GO template, I made a v2 that addresses a better way to display moves. Check it out here. TehPerson (talk) 05:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

An interesting usertag based on User Template

On my userpage, a few weeks ago I had placed a custom usertag based on the generic {{User Template}} usertag template:

{{User Template|This [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:SilSinn9801 user] has a '''{{wp|Wikia}}''' account, but refuses to contribute to '''[[The Pokémon Wiki]]''' because he/she insists that|Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia is the BEST English-language Pokémon wiki EVER!|201W.png|Black 2|Bulba|???|Black}}

I think those people who say that Wikia (ehem, FANDOM a.k.a. FANDOOM) sucks and those who have Wikia accounts but prefer to contribute here than there could make good use of this usertag of mine, even though it has not yet been developed into a template (not even in my userspace). If turned into a template, then effectively it could look somewhat like this:

{{User Template|This {{#if:{{{1|}}}|[http://{{{subdomain|community}}}.wikia.com/wiki/User:{{{1}}} user]|user}} has a '''{{wp|Wikia}}''' account, but refuses to contribute to '''[[The Pokémon Wiki]]''' because he/she insists that|Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia is the BEST English-language Pokémon wiki EVER!|201W.png|Black 2|Bulba|???|Black}}

With this, people could show their pride/loyalty towards Bulbapedia and maybe some disdain/derision towards Wikia/FANDOOM. What do you think? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 03:29, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, I like the idea. --Raltseye prata med mej 16:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I don’t really care for usertags in general but imo that feels like it would just be unnecessarily hostile, for lack of a better word. Yes I prefer BP as well but we are not competing with other websites, simply coexisting. That’s my take on it, anyways. --Celadonkey (talk) 17:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm on the same boat with Celadonkey. Making an official usertag for this purpose could be interpreted the wrong way, and could start conflicts that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Lanthanum (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Idea for Pokemon move pages

Seeing as some pages are getting really long because of all the ways lots of Pokemon can learn certain moves, what if the TM/HM/Move tutor tables are combined into one? The tables could have a header on how the move is learned in that particular generation, and they all use check marks to signify compatibility anyways, so I think it's a simple change that can go a long way in presenting data. Lanthanum (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

I think this would be a good idea. Often, the Pokemon in the 2 tables are mostly the same. sumwun (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Emmakazam again

This is the fifth time I've asked about this to an admin and I haven't had a single response. Shouldn't admins respond to things like this? Could you undo Emmakazam22's edit to SM110, listing Jessie and Meowth as narrating the title, which isn't right, seeing as this isn't how it has been listed on other pages. Meowth and Jessie only talk about the next episode and its title and Emmakazam22 added that even though I undid someone else who added Meowth to the list. I put something else on that users talk page a couple of weeks ago, and they haven't responded, so I don't think the user it listening to other people. Playerking95 (talk) 07:40, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Spit Up's power

I see you reverted my edit in the list of modified moves about spit up's power. I'm ok with the reason, as long as we use that criteria on other pages as well. Right now, there is no mention to that in spit up's page, and every Pokémon's generation III learnset page I checked had "—" for the power as well. Suic12- (talk) 03:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


Could you do something about Pikablu's recent edit to SM118, where they deleted a trivia point just because they didn't find it important enough. That user seems to have a problem with me every now and then and seeing as we add trivia points about the previews, I don't see what good reason there could have been for Pikablu to delete that trivia point. Playerking95 (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Mt. Coronet

Several of the wild Pokemon tables on Mt. Coronet have percentages that add up to more than 100% or seem to conflict with Serebii's tables. Can you verify them like you did for Route 204? sumwun (talk) 01:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Giratina's ability

When I was testing in generation IV what would happen with a Giratina holding a Griseous Orb if it had Klutz, I noticed that it was not possible to change Giratina's ability at all when holding the Griseous Orb. The ability can still be copied or suppressed, and in Altered forme can be changed freely. Pokémon other than Giratina holding the Griseous Orb can also have their abilities changed normaly. This effect only happens in generation IV.

The point is, I couldn't figure out where this effect should be noted here in bulbapedia, since it isn't conected to any specific move or ability (and so far, it may be conected to either Grisous Orb or the Origin Forme, there is no way to be sure without testing in the Distortion World). Maybe it could be in Giratina's page, but there doesn't seem to be an appropriate section. Anyway, I'd like your opinion on what to do about it. Thanks. Suic (talk) 15:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I realize that you're asking someone who isn't me, but I just wanted to say that I think you should add this to the trivia section of Giratina's page. sumwun (talk) 16:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
All opinions are welcome. The trivia section did cross my mind, but it didn't seem quite good enough. We are not talking about a curiosity, but rather about an actual game mechanic. Still, if we can't find another place to put it, it's better than nothing. Suic (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Should we maybe create a new section in Giratina's page to explain this mechanic? The only other place I could think that would be appropriate was Griseous Orb's page, but even then we can't be sure it is related specifically to the item.
To a lesser extent, this hypothetical section might also be present in the pages of other Pokémon that have relevant mechanics specific to their species. Suic (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I know that a related discussion is being held elsewhere, and that maybe you're taking your time, but still, I would really like to get an answer... Suic (talk) 13:41, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hunter's underlings‎

We appear to have two conflicting pages for Hunter's underlings‎, the one I created which you moved and one that Singaporean has created.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:05, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

I've history-merged the two pages. Let me know if you have any further issues. --SnorlaxMonster 10:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Sir, sorry for causing any confusion.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Poké Ball articles

Will the test of TehPerson's Poké Ball articles be mainspaced soon? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I planned to do it this weekend. I just needed some time to go through them. --SnorlaxMonster 10:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Good to know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
In relation to that, may I suggest something regarding your new Poké Ball template? I like the idea, but why are the Generation I Balls the only ones in the introduction order, while the rest are in the alphabetical order? Shouldn't they be listed in the same order as on the Poké Ball article? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's probably a better order to go with. I went with that because someone suggested it in the staff chat, and previously the order was entirely arbitrary (the order they were listed on the catch rate page, but with unobtainable balls at the end). --SnorlaxMonster 11:09, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I see. Thank you for listening. It's good to keep the order consistent in one way or another. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Coffee has also created an article candidate for the regular Poké Ball. Have you decided which version of said article should be mainspaced: his, or TehPerson's? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
My intention is to ultimately use Chosen's. Chosen's articles had more effort put into them, so they require less work before mainspacing them. Which is why I went with Chosen's Heavy Ball draft rather than TehPerson's. --SnorlaxMonster 08:22, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I personally agree with your choice. Are you intending to do more mainspacing today? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:41, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm hoping to finish at least the Timer and Repeat Ball pages today, but I won't have time to do so for several hours unfortunately. Poké, Great, and Ultra I definitely don't expect to finish until next weekend. --SnorlaxMonster 08:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Understood. Better late than never. Once the pages are mainspaced, I'll help fixing any remaining issues with them. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Also, could I be of assistance with the "simpler" Balls, like Cherish, Sport, and Safari? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure you've seen the changes I've been making before mainspacing them. If you would like to go ahead and make those to the ones that haven't been mainspaced yet, that would be helpful. (I don't have a full list of what they are, because even I don't know entirely what they all are.) For the unobtainable balls, I'm not even sure how I'll be handling them yet (particularly the acquisition sections), which is why I've purposely skipped them. --SnorlaxMonster 09:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. The ones yet to be mainspaced are actually visible on the Poké Balls category, since they use the template that automatically puts them there. I'll see what I can do, and I'll leave it up to you to see when the articles are ready for mainspacing. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I've actually been using that category as a shortcut to finding the pages. Ideally userspaces pages wouldn't be in mainspace categories, but since these pages are being mainspaced soon anyway I'm not too concerned. --SnorlaxMonster 09:25, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
I did some improvements on the Safari, Park, Sport, and Premier Ball pages. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:57, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Do you think the opening and end song appearances should be listed for Poké Balls? I've started to doubt that myself. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
I think so, particularly because for many of them it is their anime debut, and in a couple of cases their only anime appearance. However, if say Totodile's Lure Ball appears in an anime opening/ending, that probably doesn't need to be mentioned as an appearance of the Lure Ball, in the same way that on the Lure Ball page we only list the episode in which Totodile was caught and not every subsequent time its Poké Ball has appeared. --SnorlaxMonster 10:51, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Any intentions to do more mainspacing this weekend? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Your focus seems to be more on those potential templates now. While I understand that, I hope you will get back to mainspacing those Poké Ball articles soon. Is there anyone else who could mainspace them while you're busy with other things? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I got a bit distracted this weekend. I've gotten a lot of feedback about the page, and discovered the horrors of how bad several templates look on mobile. I'll still try to get the obtainable Gen III Balls done today though. --SnorlaxMonster 10:29, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Understandable. Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:00, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I appear to be intrusive and/or pushy about this subject. I just hate incompleteness and wish to see all the Poké Ball articles mainspaced in the near future. Obviously you didn't get to mainspace anything yesterday, but what about today, or this week in general? Also, TehPerson's personal Heavy Ball article still exists, despite the article already having been mainspaced. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I do apologize for the delay. Honestly, if Duel Links hadn't thrown two really high-effort events in a row at me (Tag Duel Tournament and Tabletop RPG: Monster World), they would have been done by now. But unfortunately I just haven't had that much time to work on the articles. The item articles were something I was lobbying for for years, and designed the page structure myself, so I'm really excited about the prospect of finally finishing the item splitting project by giving all of the Poké Balls their own pages, but I just keep failing to have the time to deal with them. --SnorlaxMonster 13:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
I like these item articles a lot too, and I'm happy to hear that you're just as eager to see them getting mainspaced. I've even created some Key Item pages myself, following your example. And it's understandable that unexpected things can get in the way. It can be frustrating, but I hope you'll get some time to do it soon. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:06, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Still focused on your template projects, I see. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:57, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Good to see you advancing with the mainspacings. Now what remain are the Generation I Balls (save Master Ball, of course), the area-exclusive Balls, and Cherish Ball. Which ones are you planning to tackle next? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I was a little too fast. Perhaps I should just wait and see... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Just the three most common Poké Ball types remain. Good work! How do you feel? Do you think you'll have the time to mainspace them this week? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree with you on Safari Ball's HG/SS location. With every other article, the Safari Ball is listed as an obtainable item in the "Items" section of the article, because the entrance gate is technically counted as a part of the Safari Zone. However, with the Johto Safari Zone, the gate building is a part of the Safari Zone Gate, and the Safari Balls are listed in its "Items" section. How are all other Safari Zone gate buildings labeled as? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
In the games themselves, the Safari Zone entrance building is never considered part of the Safari Zone. It is always a different save location to the Safari Zone itself (Fuchsia City, Route 121, Pastoria City, Safari Zone Gate). Since this is the case, we should be consistent in how we list the obtain location of Safari Balls: either it's always from the Safari Zone (the most intuitive way to describe their location) or it's always from the host location (the technically correct location). We shouldn't have a mix of both. --SnorlaxMonster 12:24, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay. Should we keep the Safari Zone Gate item list unchanged or not? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, and on a similar note: are Sport Ball's locations okay for you? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
My thought is that it's much more intuitive to just list the Safari Balls as being obtainable in the Safari Zone itself, so we should just stick to that. I lean towards doing that for Sport Balls as well. --SnorlaxMonster 13:16, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha. So I'll move the Safari Balls to the Safari Zone article and the Sport Balls to National Park, right? Also, in the "Items" list, should the Sport Balls from Gen 2 be referred to as Park Balls, like for example how Paralyze Heal is listed as Parlyz Heal for games before it was renamed? Or does the identical obtainment method override this and justify them being listed in the same slot? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I think for consistency that would be the best approach, yes.
In item lists, I think that if it's the same item with the same method in multiple games, just have a single entry but use the most recent name. --SnorlaxMonster 13:28, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Are you planning to get the last four Poké Ball articles, or at least some of them, mainspaced this weekend? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

That's my plan, yes. (I am quite aware of the fact that these articles still need doing, so I don't need reminders.) --SnorlaxMonster 11:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I know you know. Sorry if I came off as being pushy. That wasn't my intention. I'll be there to help enhance them once they're mainspaced. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I added the missing location info on Chosen's "Poké Ball (item)" page to make its mainspacing easier for you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
You've been really busy today. Is mainspacing the remaining Poké Ball article in your to-do list for this weekend? Also, I've been wondering: for the "Poké Ball (item)" article, do we simply convert all "{{ball|Poké}}" links as "{{OBP|Poké Ball|item}}", or should we create a new, simpler template to lead there, like "{{Poké Ball}}"? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

User:BigDocFan/Forest Pokémon Café

Was wondering if you could give me a hand if you're not too busy with getting User:BigDocFan/Forest Pokémon Café mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I recommend taking anime topics to abcboy. I haven't been following the Sun & Moon anime. --SnorlaxMonster 09:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, asked abcboy--BigDocFan (talk) 09:53, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

A new template needed

For anime Pokédex entries, the footer template usually used is {{Animedexfooter/Pokémon}}. However, there is no footer template in case a Pokémon has had entries in different regions within the same series. Instead, what's used as the divider/footer looks like this:

{| width="100%" style="background: #{{colorschemedark|Kanto}}"
| class="roundybottom" width="100%" style="text-align:right; background: #{{colorschemelight|Kanto}}" | <small>'''Original series entries continue below.'''</small>

I hope you understand what I mean. We should probably have the above be converted into a template for easier usability. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Can you give me an example of a page where this occurs? --SnorlaxMonster 09:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Blastoise and Raichu come to mind. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I added a text override to {{Animedexfooter/Pokémon}}, and have updated those two pages. --SnorlaxMonster 10:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Categorising redirects

Hey! I was wondering what Bulbapedia's policy—if it has one—on adding categories to redirects was. I know you've noticed that I've been making a lot of changes to the way that different types of locations are categorised, but there are several locations that I'm uncertain about. They don't have articles of their own, and I'm not entirely sure how to go about categorising them, if at all. I feel like I should do it somehow, but it feels weird adding Category:Beaches to Vientown (for Nabiki Beach) or Category:Hotels to Heahea City (for the Tide Song Hotel), for example. Would I be better off categorising the redirects, categorising the pages that they redirect to, or just categorising nothing at all? Dannyboy601 (talk) 03:38, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

We don't categorize redirects, and we shouldn't categorize whole pages based on sections within them, so I would say categorize nothing at all. --SnorlaxMonster 03:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you! Dannyboy601 (talk) 03:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon Celebration web page

Hi. For some reason, the whole Legendary Pokémon Celebration web page was backed up by Cloudflare. I found the backup while looking for Palkia' Spanish Legendary Pokémon personality quiz result text. Good timing! --Platybus (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

What are some pages that need editing

So I can contribute more and more during my active hours SweetLaplace (talk) 02:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Try clicking some of the links on the Bulbapedia:Editor's Hub. sumwun (talk, contribs) 21:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I just found the perfect task for someone looking for some busywork: Confirming the breakable rock items in Sun and Moon/Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. See the breakable rock page for a list of locations. We need someone to go through each location and smash the rocks enough times in each game to confirm the item drops of each location. Some of the location pages currently only list drops for Sun and Moon, which I doubt is actually the case. Likewise, I suspect that the Star Piece and Comet Shard are available in more locations than we currently list. Furthermore, Iki Town and Wela Volcano Park had breakable rocks added in USUM, but we don't list any items as obtainable from them, but I suspect that's incorrect.
This task is not restricted to just SweetLaplace either. All of you other people who watch my talk page, please feel free to help out with this task as well. --SnorlaxMonster 11:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Some suggestions regarding Template:Shop

First and foremost: apologies if you're currently in the process of refining your version of the template. I also wasn't entirely sure if I should make any edits to the template's talk page, so I decided to leave my comments here. Sorry if that's an issue. Anyway, is there any particular reason that you set the align-items property to start rather than leaving it as the default stretch? I personally think that it looks much nicer if every item stretches to fill its entire row (or is at least centred within its row). I also think that the columns should be widened. The superscripts in the examples that you give wrap even though there's plenty of available horizontal space. ~ Dannyboy601 (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I was really just trying to make the template look exactly how it does now, but built using divs instead of tables.
I felt like it looked nicer when it's like the current template, which only takes up as much space as it needs, rather than stretching and having large empty spaces inside the items. Stretching the top or the bottom still looks bad IMO.
Additionally, on my monitor (as you can see from those screenshots) and phone, the superscripts don't wrap, just like on the current template. Feel free to tweak the width slightly to avoid that if it's wrapping on your screen. (I know on mine, TM73 (Thunder Wave) just barely fits on one line.) --SnorlaxMonster 02:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
That's fair. For some reason, it didn't occur to me to compare it to what the existing version of the template looks like. I agree that those two examples don't look great, but what I had in mind was either stretching both the top and bottom equally, or just using align-items: center to vertically centre the grey blocks within their rows.
As for the width, I'd forgotten that not every screen displays things in quite the same way. For me, TM26 (Earthquake) just barely fits on one line. Is there some way of setting a minimum column width such that everything fits on one line regardless of screen properties? I also think that it might be better if, instead of using superscripts, any notes were just placed on a new line beneath the item name (like what's done for the Poké Ball in your example). ~ Dannyboy601 (talk) 09:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Template edit request

Could you edit the "Poké Ball" links on {{Trainerfooter}} and {{Smash Bros.}} to lead to "Poké Ball (item)" instead? Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Event Pokémon templates also link all Poké Ball sprites to sections of the "Poké Ball" article. Fix, please? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. However, there are some event Pokémon that were distributed in regular Poké Balls, and for those, the link leads to "Poké Ball" instead of "Poké Ball (item)". Can that be fixed? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
In case you need an example of an event Pokémon being contained in a regular Poké Ball to demonstrate how your edit works, here's one: Pikachu in a cap. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
There is another template that may need a small change: {{Item}}. As I said on its talk page, now that most items have individual pages, it may be a good idea to link the name of the item in the template directly to the item's page, instead of having the link in the bottom. Could you please help with this as well? Suic (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
{{HeldItems}} should probably also be edited for the same reasons. PS. Sorry for the post bombardment. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Again, sorry for the request bombardment, but the in-game event templates have an automatic link to "Poké Ball#Poké Ball". Could you change it? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:12, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I saw you editing just one of the templates. Could you edit the rest too? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:25, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Key Item questions

Just out of curiosity, why did you split the Orre versions of the Machine Part and Elevator Key into their own articles? The Card Key was also featured in Orre, but did you not split it because those first two items were in both games, while the Card Key was just in one of them?
On a somewhat related subject, I don't know if you noticed or not, but I created a link template for Orre, like {{ka}} for example. Do you think it's worth of existing, mainly because of these two item pages you've created?
PS. Did you notice my above template edit request? You only edited one of the in-game event Pokémon templates, as far as I know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

The main reason I decided to split those two was the difference in Japanese name. The Elevator Key in particular was a pretty obvious case, since the core series item didn't debut until after the Orre games. The Card Key I considered splitting, but since it has the same Japanese name, and it already has two uses in the core series, I figured it made the most sense to leave them on a single page.
I've seen your requests, and the only one I haven't done is {{HeldItems}}. The reason for that is that that template requires more fundamental changes than simply changing some links for it to be fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 13:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I must've just missed those edits. And of course editing a complicated template will take time.
I should probably add "not to be confused with" notifications for those items on the Orre Key item list, but 1) should the same be done for the core series Key Item lists, and 2) in the labels on the Key Item lists, are we going to say the Orre Card Key, Elevator Key, and Machine Part are exclusive to the Orre games, or are we going to list the Generation they were introduced in? I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
If the items have different pages, they should be treated as separate items. So the Orre Elevator Key was introduced in Gen III, and the Kalos one was introduced in Gen VI; whereas the Card Key was introduced in Gen I. --SnorlaxMonster 14:17, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Image delete request

I've made some accidental uploads in the last few days: I accidentally uploaded "Wht Apricorn Adventures.png" as "Wht Apricorn Adventurs.png" and "Net Ball Adventures.png" as "Net Ball.png". I've reuploaded both of those pictures with correct titles already, so could you remove the incorrectly titled versions, please? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted those two. --SnorlaxMonster 14:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Also, something else in relation to Archives: have you noticed some of the location map pictures you've uploaded in the past couple of days are too big for Bulbapedia and won't load? If you have, how do you intend to solve this? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:09, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Item template

Could you help me with this template that needs a minor edit? By now {{Item}} links to the main article of the item by that note in the bottom, but me and some other users believe it would be a lot better if the link to the main article was through the item's name. As I said in the template's talk page, I already have a working new version of this template in my userspace: User:Suic12-/Template:Item, so the only thing left to do is upgrading the code of the template itself with the one I made. Do you think it could be done? Thanks in advance. Suic (talk) 20:05, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Smash Bros. series page

I noticed that you created a red link for a Smash Bros. series page. Just wanted to let you know that I have been working on a Smash Bros. series page for the past year, which I hope can be used in the mainspace. Here it is: User:Torpoleon/Super_Smash_Bros._series. Probably the biggest thing that needs to be added is the SSB logo (preferably the black SSBU logo without "Ultimate" written on it). Obviously, the main focus is on the Pokemon elements. Please let me know if this is satisfactory! Torpoleon (talk) 01:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Just checking in. Have yous seen my message? Torpoleon (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Apricorn Poké Balls

Grammarfreak01 seems to stubbornly oppose the use of the "Apricorn Poké Ball" term, and has yet again changed the term on the Ball articles. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Spading and research

Is there a difference between the 2 templates? sumwun (talk, contribs) 17:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

The difference is that Spading requires there to be a section on the Bulbapedia:Spading page to discuss the topic, whereas MoveResearch is just requesting info be added. --SnorlaxMonster 10:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay thanks. sumwun (talk, contribs) 16:05, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Event-exclusive locations

When I created the category for locations that can only be accessed through events, I added only the locations that can never be accessed outside of events. So for example, because the Liberty Garden can be accessed normally in Black 2 and White 2, I didn't add it to the category. However, I recently realized something: while the Rotom's Room in Sinnoh is event-exclusive, the one in Kanto isn't. Should the category still be included there or not? What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I hope you didn't miss this? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I would lean towards including any location which is event-exclusive in any game to that category. So Southern Island should be too. --SnorlaxMonster 12:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

GOChargedAttack template

I did some work on top of your draft for the GOChargedAttack template rework, and that for the GOLearnlist. Essentially I added fields to show opponent stat drops and a box to list historic patch updates to move stats. I've also aggregated all the needed info and recompiled all the templates ahead of time for if and when it gets mainspaced. Please let me know if there are any adjustments you'd like to see:

TehPerson (talk) 03:24, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I fixed some minor display issues in Firefox, where the round corners at the bottom of a table wouldn't show up.
I really like what you've done with it. I prefer your notes column to start and end dates, the GO type icons are a better choice, I really like greying out currently unobtainable moves, and I like the updates section. However, I do have some thoughts:
  • It might be worth adding a note to Smeargle. Not sure how to make it sufficiently concise to fit in that box though.
  • I don't see the point in the list of Pokémon being sortable if it's only sortable by Pokédex number, since the list is already sorted by Pokédex number anyway.
  • I think there's too much width being given to Pokémon sprites. I would suggest setting a width inside the entries themselves, since the columns being merged makes it difficult to control from the header template.
  • Is there any particular reason you chose the double arrow ⇒ over a a single arrow like → for the updates section? It looks off to me.
  • I'm not sold on color-coding the updates section. Damage window changes can't necessarily be classified as a nerf or buff, and adding stat boosts/drops would always be a buff but it's not colored as one. I think just leave everything as the default black.
  • I don't think you need the dates in the updates section as Level 1 bullets with the changes as Level 2. Instead, why not just have the dates unbulletted and the changes as Level 1 bullets? So for Steel Wing for example, you could use this instead
; July 30, 2016
* Energy boost: {{color|{{green color}}|4 ⇒ 12}}
; February 16, 2017
* Power: {{color|{{red color}}|15 ⇒ 12}}
* Energy boost: {{color|{{red color}}|12 ⇒ 8}}
* Duration: {{color|{{green color}}|1.33 ⇒ 1.3 seconds}}
* Damage window: {{color|{{green color}}|1.13 - 1.33 ⇒ 0.5 - 0.8 seconds}}
; February 21, 2017
* Power: {{color|{{red color}}|12 ⇒ 11}}
* Energy boost: {{color|{{red color}}|8 ⇒ 6}}
* Duration: {{color|{{green color}}|1.3 ⇒ 0.8 seconds}}
  • I don't think it's clear enough which updates apply to Gyms & Raids and which apply to Trainer Battles. Most are going to be for the former, since Trainer Battles are fairly new, but I don't expect most readers to have the date Trainer Battles were added memorized. Perhaps you could split the Updates section into two columns, one for each type of battle? --SnorlaxMonster 12:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'll make some of the changes accordingly to your input. I'm experimenting with making the 2 updates columns, but imo it looks weird, and at best, still really annoying to add the conditional parsers. Another thing we can try is simply adding a header between each group (e.g. for Shadow Claw):
;Gyms & Raids
* July 30, 2016
** Power: 16 → 11
** Energy boost: 7 → 8
* February 16, 2017
** Power: 11 → 12
** Energy boost: 8 → 6
** Duration: 0.95 → 1.2 seconds
** Damage window: 0.75 - 0.95 → 0.25 - 0.5 seconds
* February 21, 2017
** Power: 12 → 9
** Duration: 1.2 → 0.7 seconds

;Trainer Battles
* February 1, 2019
** Energy boost: 7 → 8
As for the color coding, I'll have it removed since it'll make it easier to maintain in the future anyways. But just to note, any increase to damageWindowStart would basically constitute a nerf, since it makes it easier to dodge (however, I'm honestly not currently sure what mechanics damageWindowEnd plays). TehPerson (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


Another thing I was revisiting was reworking the Spindata/GO template to include more relevant information. This is a version I made that is basically the current template, but with fields to include more info and an optional "notes" section to add any footnotes (as opposed to the mess we have on the Eevee article, for example).

I also have a much more aggressive rework to include stat bars, a move list table, and game sprites here:

Please let me know if you have any input on either, and whichever you may think is a better direction. TehPerson (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of pages

These are the pages to be up for deletion: It has been hidden for pleasant viewing. Unhide to see them

Or should I have put the {{delete}} instead of asking directly to an admin?

Also, MQ Dread have a tendency of editing without previewing (several edits in a short span of time), moved pages to its wrong name, not adding the é to Pokémon when moving pages, and also copying TCG information from PokeBeach, including the newly edits, redirects, and moved pages of the Unified Minds expansion. The evidence of him copying information from PokeBeach includes but not limited to, using ’ instead of ', and PokeBeach purposely put Psyduck & Slowpoke-GX instead of the correct Slowpoke & Psyduck-GX. The first few mistakes I know new users often make those mistakes, but they're causing confusions for editing and some mistakes are only rectifiable by admins. Is there anything to do about it? Lastly, just asking out of curiosity, is there any way to allow non-admins to have the ability to move pages without leaving a redirect, like giving minor admins permission. Thanks. — Ruixiang95 13:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Top contributors of the month

Is that page going to update ever again? If no, can you add a notice to the page saying it'll never update again? sumwun (talk, contribs) 15:29, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

That's up to Kogoro. --SnorlaxMonster 15:31, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
What happens to it if Kogoro is inactive? sumwun (talk, contribs) 21:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Then it doesn't get updated unfortunately. What I'm saying is that it's Kogoro's responsibility to update that page, so if you are dissatisfied that it's not being updated, you need to complain to her. --SnorlaxMonster 00:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay thanks. sumwun (talk, contribs) 15:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Code Formatting

Hey, I have question. Would it be a problem if I change source code of pokemon list on type pages in the way showed below? It doesn't change the outcome but I think the code would be better this way.

  | rowspan="2" |018
  |<small>[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]</small><br>{{p|Pidgeot}}
  | 016 || {{MSP|016|Pidgey}} || {{p|Pidgey}} |{{typetable|Normal}}{{typetable|Flying}}
  | 017 || {{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}} || {{p|Pidgeotto}} |{{typetable|Normal}}{{typetable|Flying}}
  | rowspan="2" | 018 || {{MSP|018|Pidgeot}} || {{p|Pidgeot}} |{{typetable|Normal}}{{typetable|Flying}}
  | {{MSP|018M|Pidgeot}}
  |<small>[[Mega Evolution|Mega]]</small><br>{{p|Pidgeot}} |{{typetable|Normal}}{{typetable|Flying}}

--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

While it is often nice to layout tables that way, in this particular case {{typetable}} just makes it inelegant. --SnorlaxMonster 11:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


I've been wondering: many item pages have a title labeled as "In the core series games", despite most items never having been seen in spin-off and/or side series games. Should those titles be changed to just "In the games"? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I would rather not, for consistency with the other item pages. Although the fact that Colosseum and XD are included under that header does bother me, if anything I would prefer to rename the header to "In the core and side series games" (but don't do that). --SnorlaxMonster 12:50, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Fine by me. Also regarding items, do you think each Mail should get a separate page, like all the other core series items? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I believe so. My focus is on Berries at the moment, however. --SnorlaxMonster 14:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Good luck with that. Looking forward to that as well. I'll see if I can get myself to do anything regarding the Mails in the meantime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:58, 11 July 2019 (UTC)


I thought it was agreed that Ilima wasn't confirmed to have taken part in the Lumiose Conference, so why is the Kalos League listed on his page when as it was said before that he could have just participated in battling the Gym's throughout the Kalos region? Playerking95 (talk) 14:11, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Please don't ask me questions about the Sun & Moon anime. I don't watch it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Flute duration

I found someone desrcibing at least a partial answer to the Flute duration question here. Does it help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Post it on the talk page for one/both of them. It's somewhat helpful, although the Emerald duration being 1 step doesn't sound right. --SnorlaxMonster 12:24, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Pickup - SM/USUM table


If you don't mind, please consider restoring the small SM/USUM table at Pickup (Ability).

It could be just me, but I find the large table too big and the percentages are a mess, compared to the small table with aligned percentages like the tables above from other games. I think the large version has poor readability compared to the small version.

A couple of weeks ago, I opened a discussion at Talk:Pickup (Ability)#SM/USUM table and talked a bit more about what I think. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

None Pocket

The Pokémon Box and the Running Shoes don't belong to any kind of Bag Pocket, so the item template automatically places them in the non-existent "None Pocket" category. Should the template be edited somehow to get rid of this, or should something else be done? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Poké Ball image

In case the picture I uploaded for a standard Poké Ball in Pokémon Generations wasn't good enough because of the lighting, I also have second candidate ready to be uploaded: the shot of Poké Balls being carted out of the Game Corner from episode two. The art style isn't quite as shiny as in episode three, but what do you think? Could it work? Or is the Lorelei picture the superior version after all? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:32, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I'd have to see the other candidate image to judge that. Just upload it over the top of the existing image. --SnorlaxMonster 10:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Done. Can you view it properly yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm also not sure if it's centered well enough. Do you think the art style and the centering are good enough to replace the Lorelei picture? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I think either that image or the Lorelei image would be fine. --SnorlaxMonster 11:17, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I personally prefer an image where the focus is on the item rather than a person, so yeah. I'm using the Poké Ball image. I would've preferred the first version with Blue's Poké Ball, but if you think the lighting on it is too dim, I'm fine with this new version too. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)


Hello, SnorlaxMonster. How are you doing? I have a problem. See, when SM117 came out in the dub, I was able to watch it. Then when Team Rocket showed up and stolen Sandy, Meltan and Shaymin. Shaymin used Aromatherapy to heal Sandy in that episode even though nobody said it, but it was revealed in closed captions. Similar to Kiawe's Marowak's moves. FinnishPokéFan92 and I talk to Force Fire about this, but no luck. And I always have proof and never give wrong info. So I dunno what we should do now since the episode is locked along with SM124.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 07:23, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Exactly, also, CPG meant SM134, not SM124. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:21, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
If you want resolution on an anime-related issue, please ask the Head of Anime, Abcboy. In my opinion, we should say that a Pokémon was revealed to know a particular move in the first episode in which we know it used it (even if it wasn't explicitly stated to be that move until later, or if the move was only named in Closed Captions). --SnorlaxMonster 09:23, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Evolution Moves

Can I add list of Evolution Moves on "Evolution" page as I did here: [9]? ForceFire makes me ask someone from the staff if I can make that kind of edition.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 12:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I see you saw talk page of "Evolution", but you didn't answer my question.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I've split your table to Evolution move. I think it has value, but I don't want it to clog up the evolution page. --SnorlaxMonster 11:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Breaking up disambiguation pages

The format of how Daniel Carrero (talkcontribs) looks rather unprofessional, though. I suggest we find a better way to present it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:33, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that it looks unprofessional, but I do think that it looks better with proper section headers. --SnorlaxMonster 05:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for integrating the friendship details in the table. FWIW I think it looks better now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:51, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Wrong images

I saw that stat formulas here [10] are wrong because you've changed them, I wanted to bring back older versions but they have no rounding. By the way, is it possible to write formulas in form of math like on wikipedia instead of images?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 19:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by "wrong"? I both added rounding and corrected the formulas as necessary to include the rounding (because people had made mathematical simplifications to formula, but those simplifications are not valid when you include rounding). --SnorlaxMonster 00:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
In Generation I and II the formula was different, for example EV were divided by 8. When you've added rounding, you've send different formulas. The example written just below uses formula from before your change.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 08:25, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
No, they are actually divided by 4. The division by 8 was an incorrect mathematical simplification someone had made by changing the main divisor from 100 to 50 and removing the factor of 2 from (Base + IV). While both formulas are equivalent without rounding, when you include rounding the two formulas can result in different results, so it's important to use the same divisor as the games themselves without simplifying the formula.
The example formulas below should be corrected to use the correct formula (and then the note at the bottom that the results may be off due to rounding can be removed). --SnorlaxMonster 12:00, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Now I see it, right. So, there isn't any possibility to use mathematical formulas by themselves and it has to be displayed by images? Because editing it would be problematic, I can't do that without making it look strange.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Doing that would require Extension:Math, which as much as I would like it to be, is not currently installed on Bulbapedia. Images are currently the only way to properly render TeX formulas on Bulbapedia. --SnorlaxMonster 12:59, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
See here for more details. Not only the user Team Rocket Grunt wants this, but also me and Raltseye. If we want to add a caption to the formula, we would need to insert this input:
{| style="background:#f8f9fa; float:right; border:1px solid #c8ccd1"
|- style="background:#f8f9fa"
| colspan=3 |
|- style="background:#f8f9fa"
| style="background:#fff; border:1px solid #c8ccd1" | --FORMULA--
|- style="background:#f8f9fa"
| colspan=3 | --CAPTION--
It will look like this: (The float:right; parameter was removed).
In this input, the --FORMULA-- and --CAPTION-- values are replaced.
BTW, is a separate account required on the forums? --TheICTLiker4 - porozmawiaj ze mną 16:10, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
As I'm sure you can tell by the fact that I left a comment in the linked talk page section, I'm quite aware that people want it, and want it myself.
Also, please don't add captions to formulas like that. If you must, just use the fact that without Extension:Math, all of Bulbapedia's formulas are images and so can be placed inside a MediaWiki frame or thumb frame with a caption. --SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
I asked you: do I need a separate account at the Bulbagarden Forums? --TheICTLiker4 - porozmawiaj ze mną 19:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Bulbagarden Forums use separate accounts to Bulbapedia. --SnorlaxMonster 10:01, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Undoing bot work

Please do not undo BulbaBot's edits. Thank you. --TheICTLiker4 15:41, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

While I would certainly recommend most people not undo BulbaBot's edits (for a number of reasons), please be assured that when a staff member does, it's for good reason and they know what they're doing.
There are some pages where the interwiki links are more fragile than usual, because there's a topic that has one article on one language wiki, but multiple on different language wikis.
The Secret Key is a great example of this (and one that I constantly have to monitor the interwiki links of): The Japanese and Chinese wikis have a single page for both the key to the Cinnabar Gym and the key to Rotom's Room, while all of the other languages have separate pages for those two (or at least separate destinations, for cases where it's only a page section not a whole article). The Japanese and Chinese content pages are associated with the disambig page, while the other wikis' content pages are not associated with the Japanese or Chinese wiki pages at all.
The problem is that the interwiki bots won't automate linking between content pages and disambig pages. If someone on any of the wikis happens to link one of the specific item pages to the shared item pages on the Japanese or Chinese wiki, the interwiki bots all quickly replace all of the links on the individual pages with links to the shared pages, and you end up with a many-to-one relationship across wikis (which causes issues for the interwiki bots, as well as just being conceptually bad). This has happened a few times recently: Most recently due to an edit to the French wiki that added incorrect interwiki links, but not that long before that, when the German page was split.
The reason I would recommend regular users not try to fix this is that it requires editing every page in the association network on each wiki; if you miss one, the interwiki bots will just reinsert the incorrect link when they update again at their regular time. This will also happen if you get reverted on one of the wikis, which as someone with some amount of clout, I'm normally not, although I do still get reverted sometimes (but not normally on Bulbapedia—fortunately, your revert was reverted before the interwiki bots had a chance to spread the incorrect link across all of the wikis again). --SnorlaxMonster 11:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Signature move in other languages

Hello! Regarding this edit, what do you mean by signature move not being a "proper term"? I originally added those names from other languages from the Volcanion event video from 2016 on the French, German, Italian, and European Spanish channels. The French and Spanish names match those currently used on Morpeko's page for Pokémon Sword and Shield. The German and Italian names have since changed though, from "Paradeattacke" to "einzigartigen Attacke", and "mossa caratteristica" to "mossa esclusiva", respectively. Don't you think they are notable enough to warrant an "In other languages" section? --Mine4017 (talk) 23:34, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

"Signature move" isn't really an official term. It's typically a descriptive term, and the exact wording used will vary between uses. For example, as you have pointed out, the German and Italian names differ between those two sources. As a result, I don't think it's worth documenting names in other languages. However, if you can show me that there are specific names that are consistently used in many sources (so more than just the two you've presented so far), I could be convinced otherwise. --SnorlaxMonster 11:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


Hi! I have a large collection of subpages to be mainspaced. Here they are!

And the following redirects to be deleted:

Also, I have created a template for pages about Pokémon. I've inserted it directly into the sandbox because I'm scared that I'll lose my privilege to edit my userspace. See here.

Well, I'll hope you'll help me out grading those pages. --TheICTLiker4piszże do mnie 16:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Article splitting

Yesterday, I created articles for the Mega Ring and Mega Bracelet, separate from the Key Stone page. However, I wasn't sure how the Key Stone page should be edited to accommodate those edits. So if you feel like you could help with this, could you lend me a hand?
Also in the subject of article splitting, I saw that you had also suggested splitting the Storage Key and Card Key articles, but not, say, the Basement Key article. Did you simply miss that latter, or do you not think it needs splitting?
And finally: how's your Berry project coming along? As in, are you getting any closer to getting to writing articles for different Mails? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Can I help with splitting the Basement Key article? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I just split the Basement Key article and will probably split the Storage Key and Card Key articles as well. Feel free to make any changes to the split pages you feel are necessary. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Looks like you were already way ahead of me... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:34, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The Storage Key and Card Key articles have now been split as well. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Partner Pokemon

Hi, on my page [11] I've expanded list of type experts from type pages adding their signature/partner Pokemon. All of them have some characteristic Pokemon that well represent them and more visually connect them to their type. Can I add them to type pages?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:43, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this is necessary. --SnorlaxMonster 00:16, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Max Move pages

Hi. I noticed so that you're on the pages about Max Moves. Once you're there, why not save some time by protecting those pages from being moved (to allow only sysops and above user groups)? --TheICTLiker4piszże do mnie 16:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Template: Pokémon/8

I think the only one thing new to add to the Gen VIII version is a field to indicate Dynamax or Gigantamax (since it's not done via items anymore). I left a preliminary draft of a version on the Talk page if you'd care to take a quick look. TehPerson (talk) 16:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Since it's not a property of the Pokémon, but rather something the Trainer can apply, I don't think Dynamax should be noted in the template. However, it is worth noting if a Pokémon has the Gigantamax Factor. --SnorlaxMonster 11:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
If that's the case, would simply applying the "-Gigantamax" in the Pokemon's artwork form suffice? I was a bit iffy on that since Gigantamax isn't exactly a permanent trait, but I figured we already do that with the LGPE articles anyways regarding Mega Evolution. TehPerson (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Ability Template

Could you edit Ability template to make it possible to add templates like "sup/IV" to informs since when Pokemon can have an ability. It is impossible, for example, to find an information if Pelipper had Drizzle since gen 3 or that if Weezing had Stench as a hidden ability before generation VIII. This site really misinforms being in this state.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 09:45, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

You haven't really answered my question.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
I've thrown together an idea on how to deal with this in my userspace. --SnorlaxMonster 09:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Max Strike: Pwr. vs Power

Regarding this edit, I'm wondering if you're also considering changing it for templates such as Template:Learnlist/levelh/8. The "Pwr." was simply a convention that was borrowed from existing templates, and I do agree that it's pretty needless to abbreviate such a short word. TehPerson (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Technical Records

I was editing TR locations and changing " Watt Traders "to " All Watt Traders (X,000 W) " and realized Purchase price column and seen X,000 W is already there. I edit first 3 TR page. Should I undo my edit or keep continue? (Ozderya (talk) 04:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC))

If the Watt price is already in the price column, I don't see any need to also add it to the location column. --SnorlaxMonster 09:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Remove Japanese voice actor

Is there any way to delete the "Japanese voice actor" field from Julie (Pokémon Play It!)? (perhaps by editing the source of Template:CharInfobox) She is from Play It! and its sequel, which were not released in Japan. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

It would be possible, but I think just putting "N/A" in that field is sufficient for now. --SnorlaxMonster 09:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. On an unrelated matter, thanks also for moving the quotes from Professor Oak into Professor Oak/Quotes as I had requested. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)


Why did you revert me on Heavy Ball? --TheICTLiker4 19:41, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, you can't include a summary when you rollback. (I probably should have just reverted rather than rolling back.)
Anyway, two reasons:
  • I don't think we should have a big (incredibly vertical) table like that for a trivia section where text would be sufficient.
  • I don't see the point in listing Pokémon that are only theoretically affected. --SnorlaxMonster 23:23, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Wrong Game Menu Sprites

Most of the pages using wrong menu sprites and it bothers me a lot. Is there any way to fix it?

I tried using the pocket icons for each game, rather than always using the HGSS icons, but IMO it just looks messy. --SnorlaxMonster 10:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Yeh you are right. I checked your page and it looks messy. Have you tried same thing for this index number pages. This one might be look better. Then for this item pages why we don't use Sword and Shied sprites? I think SwSh sprites look way more better than HGSS ones. (Ozderya (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)).

Pokémon Pinball Ruby and Sapphire glitch Pokémon

Hello, as you're staff here and we've helped each other before. May you give input about User talk:Chickasaurus#User:TheICTLiker4/E O and User talk:TheICTLiker4#Reply please? Thanks. (If you're not too busy) Chickasaurus (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

We don't normally document glitch Pokémon that cannot be encountered in regular gameplay. From my reading of the article, it looks like this one requires cheats, so I would say it's not notable. --SnorlaxMonster 09:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
You forgot about Generation VI 724+ glitch Pokémon. It is indeed available only by cheating. TheICTLiker4 07:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Type icons

Hey, could we replace old type icons with these from SWSH? (File:BugIC.png) I meant the ones from DPPt on templates like "Typebattle", "Moveentry/8" and "Ic"--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I think you may mean File:BugIC.gif. I've already had the *.png (File:BugIC.png) equivalents uploaded with the current SwSh icons. The admins just need to change the .gif to .png on Template:IC and possibly add a re-sizing parameter. TehPerson (talk) 17:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
  • EDIT: I think you mean exactly what you meant. Anyways, the note should already be on Template talk:Ic. Thanks :) TehPerson (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Am I doing something wrong? Are you ignoring me? I just would like to get an answer.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you prepare a userspace example of how those look? I'm not yet convinced that the new icons would be an improvement. --SnorlaxMonster 15:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
[12]--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
If it helps, here are my samples using the new Type icons. Iirc there are only 2 use cases- the learnlist tables and the type effectiveness:
I've also considered switching to just using the simple, no-text type icons, but it may confuse newer readers unfamiliar with the symbols. (Imo Rock and Ground are incredibly easy to mix up at first.) TehPerson (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I guess I should assume every lack of answer is the "no" answer. By the way, in categories like Category:Pokémon whose Special stat became their Special Attack should exists user pages? Can I try to look for a way to eliminate them?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 21:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
A lack of answer usually means you asked a hard question and I put off answering, then forgot about it.
Anyway, based on the examples provided, IMO it looks worse than it currently does. When I showed it to other staff, there was discussion that a purely CSS-based approach, rather than images, might look better.
No, those categories should not be on userpages. You can replace {{BaseStats}} with {{BaseStatNoCat}} to prevent the page being categorized. --SnorlaxMonster 09:33, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Mirror Armor edit.


That's exactly the thing: it doesn't affect the success of the move; it just affects the user of said move, like Rough Skin or Cotton Down, (edit: neither of which are affected by Mold Breaker). Or am I missing something? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 01:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

If you use Screech on a Pokémon with Mirror Armor, its stats aren't lowered, but yours are instead. That affects the success of the move. --SnorlaxMonster 01:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh that's how it works? I mistakenly thought it would lower the stats of both Pokémon. My apologies. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 01:46, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


What does Genosekuto, sono waza tsuyo sugi!! (ゲノセクト、その技強すぎ!!) literally translate to? Wc12271991 (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It really would have helped if you had given me any context at all for this. I see that this is the title of a manga chapter. Anyway, I'm not really sure, you're better off asking someone else. The first word is Genesect, but the kanji compound (which is really the key word in the whole title) I'm not sure how to parse. --SnorlaxMonster 09:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Question About Notability

Is there a specific wiki rule or policy regarding which ingame Trainers are notable/not notable enough to receive the detailed list of moves and abilities for their Pokemon? I was assuming that the reason some Trainers have them and others don't (e.g. on this page was that no one had yet done ingame research and listed out all the moves and abilities for all but the most important ones.

However, upon attempting to add a move/ability list for a Trainer on the Pokemon HQ Lab page, my edit was reverted for not being notable enough - so I was wondering if there was a rule to this effect somewhere. I didn't see anything in the Notability requirements page. Thanks for any clarification you can provide. --ReturnofVojtoRX (talk) 11:45, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit - relevant discussion: [13] --ReturnofVojtoRX (talk) 12:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

There's not really any formal rules, but typically any character who has their own page gets a full Party template, whereas NPCs who are just another member of a Trainer class get the less-detailed table entries. Let's Go's Master Trainers ended up getting a middle-ground approach, where we list their moves without giving them a full party template. --SnorlaxMonster 12:09, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. If the information was added in a subpage so as not to clutter up the main article, would that be acceptable? I don't think I can make subpages yet as I'm not autoconfirmed, but I think that would be the best solution (assuming the problem isn't that the full Party templates take up too much space on the servers or something). --ReturnofVojtoRX (talk) 12:12, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: Removing signatures

I have reason to believe DarkDan (talkcontribs) is manually creating those new signatures, hence why I removed them and replaced them with the unsigned template. Compare the signatures in the last two talk page sections here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:13, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Merge for a Fandom Article


The other day I proposed a merge of The PokéMasters forums into the The PokéMasters. Do you know who I could best direct this to in the fandom side of things to get this looked at? Feel like it might just languish otherwise. RotaRaichu (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Pinging you on the above ^ RotaRaichu (talk) 07:30, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this proposal. It makes sense to me that we wouldn't give fansites separate pages for their forums alone. --SnorlaxMonster 01:01, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Constest category colors

Hey, could you change templates of contest category colors onto these used on Template:Ribbon? Old ones are just copypasted type colors.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:19, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Template request thingy

For Generation IV, there exists an option to place "Honey" into the encounter template to result in a "Honey tree" link. However, the article is actually known as "Honey Tree", with a capital T. Could you edit it? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


Okay, okay... sorry. --Dharakjoo (talk) 02:05, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Split: List of Pokémon with form differences

With regard to your suggestion from a while back, I've drafted a split for List of Pokémon with form differences and a Pokémon-GO specific page.

With this, it allowed more room to explain other form-relevant mechanics in PoGO that the main article didn't have room for (e.g. regionals and Shadows). TehPerson (talk) 17:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Possible vandal

TheBlu3Frog (talkcontribs) may be another vandal. I think you should keep an eye out for them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:06, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the block. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Re: 200

Don't blame me; that's how it already looked by the time I was editing the page. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Fix templates

Hey, could you change "Egg Groups" into "Parent Egg Groups" in "Template:Movehead/Level" and "Template:Movehead/Special"? Also, on "Template talk:Bag2" TheICTLiker4 and I made a suggestion, what do you think about it?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 23:14, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I believe that's deliberately only in the header of Egg Move sections, because those are the sections where the parent's Egg Group is most relevant. For level-up moves, "Parent Egg Group" doesn't necessarily make sense, since not all Pokémon are hatched from Eggs. --SnorlaxMonster 04:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
I was thinking about situations where someone would like to breed a move from baby's evolved form. The moves' pages don't show Pokemon that could learn moves only from their previous forms so it's harder to deduce it could be a valid parent.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Vandal alert

Hey! We've got Yeety (talkcontribs) being a vandal and an actual racist here. Take care of it, please? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Now this person's directly harassing me on my talk page and spreading lies about me on other users' talk pages. I need assistance! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Never mind, Abcboy took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Protected page edit request

Could you edit the links to "Cynthia" and "Korrina" on Tom Wayland's page to "Cynthia (anime)" and "Korrina (anime)", please? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

The link for Cynthia's Gastrodon already links to Cynthia (anime). I can't see any link to Korrina on that page. --SnorlaxMonster 13:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
I just got those two links fixed up after seeing this. Going ahead and adding in various missing voice roles currently as well. Sorry if my editing caused some confusion. Frozen Fennec 13:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Emulated Games

I've been thinking about testing the effects of some moves and abilities in earlier generations (mostly gen III), but since I currently only have access to games from generation IV and later, I wanted to know if information about these effects taken from emulated games would be considered reliable enough to be included at the appropriate pages. Not sure if there is already some defined guideline abouth this, but if so I don't recall seeing it. Thanks in advance. Suic (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Emulated games are usually fine. However, I would urge caution when using them as a source for any kind of glitch behaviour. --SnorlaxMonster 08:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. I'll be careful in case the effects may involve a glitch. Suic (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Disassembly source

I recently decided to investigate some of the Gen II and III game mechanics (and contribute/discuss if it is relevant). I was immediately pulled into the disassembly / source code projects here. I have noticed that these projects are referenced/discussed a lot on BP, so I should assume that it is reliable, am I correct? I guess I am not entirely familiar with the background and origin of the project.

Also, if I do contribute (either supervised or not), should I explicitly include a reference to the code (either in text or using "ref"? I have seen it a few times (searching for "disassembly" on BP), but it is clearly not the norm. I have seen other articles where "only the official media counts". How 'official' are the disassemblies then? Thank you. Rarecandybar (talk) 10:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

You should assume the disassembly projects are accurate, yes. They are the result of a lot of hard work of fans to work out the assembly code by using the game binaries.
We wouldn't normally add citations to the disassembly, but it is often a good idea to link to the relevant section in your edit summaries and on talk pages if you're using information from it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Page split?

In the same manner as the Card Key article, among other item articles, was split into separate item articles due to distinctive differences, should the S.S. Ticket article be split, given that there are three distinctively different versions of the item? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

For the other key items, they had different sprites or index numbers. For the S.S. Ticket, they all have the same sprite, and in Generation III and IV they had the same index number (within a generation). It wasn't until ORAS that the items started to be given separate index numbers.
Maybe it makes sense to split them. I'm not sure, but it would certainly make it difficult to link to the page from the Gen III and IV list of items by index number pages (they'd probably need to link to the disambig). --SnorlaxMonster 14:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. I'm not so sure about it either. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Disallowed usernames

Hello, I have a few requests:

  • Only three Generation VIII Pokémon names are on the username blacklist*, and the other names should already be there. Other missing names are those of Ultra Beasts introduced in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon and Zeraora.
  • Who is the current leader of Bulbapedia's technical stuff (like categories or templates)?
  • The template {{tt}} has not included in the warning that the characters < and > are not allowed in the second parameter, or the template will be broken. To display them, it is necessary to use HTML entities: &lt; and &gt;.

I am waiting for answers. --Bfdifan2006 16:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I personally don't think it's particularly important to add new Pokémon names to the title blacklist. Other staff might disagree.
There isn't currently any individual person in charge of categories and templates. If the category or template is associated with a specific medium (e.g. games, anime, etc.), the Editorial Board member in charge of that medium would have responsibility for that template.
That should be added as a note to the template, although I would need to pick the right time to do so, because the template is very highly-used so editing it will cause some downtime. --SnorlaxMonster 07:44, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

User template edit request?

Now that the big Pokémon anime series renaming is complete, I noticed one important thing that probably should be edited: the user templates "User Advanced Generation" and other similar ones should probably be edited to match the new series titles. What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Probably not worthwhile. Feel free to make redirects though. --SnorlaxMonster 11:16, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Legendary gerbil

Thanks for deletion, one little thing: [14].--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 14:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Redirect Eternamax to Eternatus (Pokémon)

I saw that this page is ready for deletion, so would you please redirect Eternamax to Eternatus? SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 02:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Research Templates

I was wondering, we have quite a few items that don't have their effects very well understood, much like moves and abilities, but we don't have a good way to set their articles appart from other pages with incomplete notices. With that in mind, I propose we either create a notice template specifically for items (I already have that in my userspace), or we somehow merge the moves and abilities notices so that they contemplate effects in general (which would include items as well). Suic (talk) 23:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd rather just make a general "Game research" template and replace all of them (including {{GlitchResearch}}). I don't see what the point of breaking them up that way is. --SnorlaxMonster 07:41, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I thought I had once suggested to move the MoveResearch to EffectResearch before even AbilityResearch was created, but I can't find that. Anyway, certainly agreeing with SnorlaxMonster. Nescientist (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
It's fine for me that we make a general game research. I wouldn't be totally against including glitches in it, but I think they are a distinct enough aspect of the games that it might still make sense to keep them separeted from the rest. Suic (talk) 13:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Life Dew

You are actually right, but Water Absorb and Life Dew restore the same amount of HP. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 16:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

New Vandal

Hey, a user named LobãoBR (talkcontribs) was vandalizing Porygon's page. I'm not sure they're up to anything else, but I would recommend hidding those revisions. Much of what they wrote was in portuguese, and there was a lot of profanity and offensive language. Suic (talk) 03:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


Some time ago, you created your own draft of Template:Pokémon, which allows hiding the Ability and held item parts for the Let's Go games. Is this draft being discussed? Because I think it'd be a high time for that function to be added. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Colress (Adventures)

Do you think article about Colress from Adventures could be enough to be accepted as official, separate article? --Modikisha (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I would recommend you take up manga-related questions with Ataro, the Head of Manga. --SnorlaxMonster 14:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay --Modikisha (talk) 14:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

GalarPony and KnightGalarie

Hey! In the wake of the KnightGalarie scandal, do you think you could check out another user by the name of GalarPony (talkcontribs)? I've had suspicions about GalarPony and KnightGalarie being one and the same in the past, and Force Fire checked them out per my request, but despite behavioral evidence and an IP match, nothing came out of it from their end. But since KnightGalarie was uncovered as a sockpuppet, maybe you can reopen the case? I'm still convinced these two are the same person, and the GalarPony account remains unblocked, which could be exploited by the sockmaster should my suspicions be correct. Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

GalarPony hasn't been active for several months, so their behaviour is not a huge concern right now. If they return and continue to cause trouble, we can reevaluate their behaviour at that time. --SnorlaxMonster 03:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


I asked a question about Gian's age because I have a suspicion that he is a child, so I tried to help, I left some tips on his page, if you can give a look and let me know if I have any wrong information. I want to try to help these new users before pointing the finger and accusing.

I apologize if this is going beyond my role here at Bulbapedia.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

It's possible that Gian is quite young, but it's also possible that they're not. It shouldn't be necessary to know that in order to help them.
I didn't think you had bad intent behind asking, but it's an unnecessarily personal question that doesn't need to be asked. Gian currently has a tonne of people on their talk page trying to help; however, so many people (many of which aren't staff, although that might not be clear to Gian) sending messages like that is likely to be very overwhelming and confusing for anybody. --SnorlaxMonster 03:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Re: Signatures

Apologies for the late response. I was busy trying to clear out my inbox and your messages to my talk page had been buried by other email notifications for a bit. A couple of things.

  1. Regarding this, I replaced it with the unsigned template because Gian's signature didn't have the required links to their userpage and talk page, which made me think they simply typed it all out by hand. Unless I'm mistaken about the links being required, which I'd call shenanigans on, then, because all other properly done signatures have links to the userpage and talk page. Even with your signature customized, it still includes links to your userpage and talk page.
  2. Regarding this, I don't understand why you're chewing me out for this one. Gian's signature this time around only has a link to their userpage and no talk page link or timestamp. I don't see how that would be considered an acceptable signature.

Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay here. I keep meaning to get back to you and not having the chance. I promise I will respond soon, but I don't have time right now. --SnorlaxMonster 16:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Templates in progress


I've been working on several templates, namely an anime competition template, which are on my user page at the moment. The idea is to get rid of the listing approach and even the notable competitors table and replace it with my template which has a color code based on placing for First, Second, Third {Gold, SIlver and Bronze respectively) and a more neutral color for all other placings, plus the featured pictures would aim to have the competitor (Trainer and Pokémon} listed and featured as well. I haven't been able to get the templates to appear next to each other, and instead they appear vertically only. Could you help, only if you feel the idea has merit?

Also, I was thinking we should update the anime-exclusive and manga-exclusive location templates to simply be called "Anime Locations" and "Manga Locations", with direct links within the template to guide users directly to all anime and manga featured locations, many of which are game-based locations like Cerulean City, which has appeared in all three mediums, game, manga and anime, or Ilex Forest. We already list the anime-exclusive and manga-exclusive locations on the respective region pages. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I was wondering if you would be able to help with my anime competition templates. I haven't been able to get them to appear next to each other in a horizontal fashion. Could you please help?

It only appears like this:

Ash & Pikachu
Runner Up
Ash & Pikachu

PardescanSlowbro (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Vandal alert

Hey! We've got a vandal here: The real Force Fire (talkcontribs). Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

You posted this after they were blocked. lol Don't worry about it though, I've made dumber mistakes. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, sweet! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


I assume you copied some special character in there, which caused that weird bug where the remainder of the page is rendered invisible to anyone (including the compiler); according to the history, only BulbaBot's following edit removed a lot of bytes, while your edit only added some. Not sure if you could look into it, or pass it on to someone who can, but yeah, it's potentially critical and you would at least know what you did, so I thought I'd notify you. Nescientist (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Argh... I know that emojis can cut off content, but for some reason I was thinking it only applied in edit summaries. Obviously it applies when including emojis in page text too, which is exactly what happened there... --SnorlaxMonster 14:30, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah alright, thanks. Nescientist (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Tangimheng's recent edits

They don't seem to understand that working on a big template like this shouldn't be done so slowly on the page. Animaltamer7 (talk) 04:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Count number of Pokemon of each type

Can I add to the type pages functions that calculate number of Pokemon:

As of Generation VIII, there are {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Dark-type Pokémon|pages}} Dark-type Pokémon or {{#expr: ({{PAGESINCATEGORY:Dark-type Pokémon|pages}}/{{numpkmn}}*100) round2}}% of all Pokémon.

"As of Generation VIII, there are 82 Dark-type Pokémon or 8% of all Pokémon."

It all agrees with how it is counted right now, and we wouldn't have to rely on recalculating everything every time a new Pokemon is added.--Rocket Grunt 20:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. --SnorlaxMonster 11:43, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Awesome. I'll do it right now.--Rocket Grunt 13:48, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Done, although I have a question. Why Arceus and Silvally aren't counted to types beyond Normal? If they aren't supposed to, I'll have to add a note about that because every page says we count every form.--Rocket Grunt 11:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


Would it be good if there was a page about Pokemon counterparts? Some Pokemon are often mentioned to be counterparts on their pages (like Butterfree and Beedrill, Electabuzz and Magmar) but without a page it isn't clearly defined.--Rocket Grunt 23:13, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I think those are best left to trivia. I don't think we need a whole page about such a tenuous concept. --SnorlaxMonster 12:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Point to forums

Thank you for the pointer to the Bulbagarden forums from my question re: Sketch. I wasn't even aware we had those, and I've been on here for years. Cheers! TwilightHylian (talk) 05:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Move Infobox

Hey, I would like to make another suggestion, but I am not sure who should I talk to. I discovered that in Move Infobox, like the one used on page [15], there are flags of moves which haven't been really updated since generation III. I've also found these pages [16] [17] that show all flags there are in games now. I am not even sure if the flags are really necessary in the infobox and how staff would like to solve this.

  • Makes contact
  • Affected by Protect and Detect
  • Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce
  • Affected by Snatch
  • Affected by Mirror Move
  • Affected by King's Rock and Razor Fang
  • Thaws out user
  • Aura and pulse moves
  • Ball and bomb moves
  • Biting moves
  • Dance moves
  • Powder and spore moves
  • Punching moves
  • Sound-based moves
Potential flags:
  • Explosive moves (Damp)
  • Mental moves (Aroma Veil)
  • Healing moves (Heal Block)
  • Affected by Gravity
  • Bypasses Substitute
  • Thaws out target
  • Breaks natural objects
  • Field move
  • Not/Affected by type immunites
  • Can't be selected by Sleep Talk
  • Can't be selected by Mimic
  • Can't be selected by Sketch
  • Can't be selected by Conversion 2
  • Can't be selected by Copycat
  • Can't be selected by Me First
  • Can't be selected by Assist
  • Can't be selected by Metronome
  • Can't be selected by Encore
  • Hits Pokemon in Bounce, Fly or Sky Drop
  • Hits Pokemon in Dive
  • Hits Pokemon in Dig
  • Has charge turn
  • Has recharge turn

While we are on the Move Infobox, I think contest combinations could be easily put in the infobox too, insteaf of being written in the "Effect" section of the move.

Contest combination:

  • DragonBreath → Dragon Dance
  • Dragon Rage → Dragon Dance
  • Dragon Dance → DragonBreath
  • Dragon Dance → Dragon Claw
  • Dragon Dance → Dragon Rage

--Rocket Grunt 00:01, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Stats, statistic, Weather Ball, template talk space

  1. Do you think if someone created pages for individual stats, that these have a chance of being mainspaced (in an adequately reasonable amount of time)? If so, do you know anyone who would potentially assist?
  2. Do you know/recall why the page was moved to statistic in 2015? (I did ask that over at Talk:Statistic#Rating, effect, and abilities.)
  3. I think I once saw you do something, so could you maybe take a look at Talk:Weather Ball (move)#Exceeded template include size, please?
  4. While I'm here, maybe I can also ask you to check for Template talk:Inter-gen transfer in the template talk space? (You protected the template years ago as a "high-traffic page", but it's hardly linked to in a dozen pages right now, so maybe you could even unprotect it?) Nescientist (talk) 12:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
While most of this has since been handled/answered, honestly, I found the reaction quite underwhelming. Nescientist (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Sabrina's Haunter

Shouldn' this page be named "Haunter (anime)". Sabrina never owned it.--Rocket Grunt 22:29, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


Congratulations on the promotion! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


Can "Legendary titans" be redirected into "legendary giants"? I think in-game official name overrides outside-media official name.--Rocket Grunt 19:25, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


I went to research and saw that you are part of the team that takes care of Bulbagarden Archives. Can you help me with this doubt? I am looking for specific images for days and I have not found it. In fact, I haven't gotten any results from any research I do there. Do you know if there is still maintenance there or is it some kind of bug?-Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Episode Template Issue

Hey, was hoping to get assistance on the page for AG078. For some reason the English dub name of the episode is showing up in a different font than it should in the infobox. I've tried playing around with it, but I'm at a loss for how to fix it. --HoennMaster 01:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Pokémon Colosseum beta

How would you display the thirteen unused Pokémon? I emphasised them because I had to concentrate in order to read them, and I can well see people with reading difficulties struggling even more. Is it worth having a blank table with them in?--Tmwps (talk) 17:26, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I think just an in-text list would be fine. I don't know if a table is necessary. With emphasis, I was concerned that it might indicate that the original text contained it, and figured it would be easier to just list them separately to the quotes. --SnorlaxMonster 18:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirect "Eternamax" to "Eternatus (Pokémon)"

The page Eternamax might not be a mechanic, so Eternatus is what the page Eternamax needs. Can you redirect "Eternamax" to "Eternatus (Pokémon)" for me, please? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 18:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Re: Reverts

I didn’t mean to do an edit war. I’ve come up with an idea to rename my username to "GuntherBayBeee" to match my gaming accounts. It’ll be a good idea to change it for me, please. --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 22:27, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

If you aren't intending to edit war, these please stop ignoring other people's edit summaries when they revert you.
Unfortunately, we currently are not able to rename users. I'll try to keep your request in mind once the rename function is repaired. --SnorlaxMonster 04:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Bulbagarden news article template

I noticed that since news moved from Bulbanews to the Bulbagarden homepage that there wasn't a replacement for Template:Bulbanews. I created a potential successor at User:Rustle/Bulbagarden, as there are news articles related to the Pokémon 25th Anniversary on Bulbagarden.net that might be good to link to on Bulbapedia. Thanks! - bthrussellUK (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


Hi! Since you're a member of the Editorial Board, I was wondering if you could tell me exactly what it means for a user to be "autoconfirmed". I've noticed that I managed to attain this rank (no idea how) and that it's a prerequisite for editing certain partially protected pages. Pale Prism (talk) 03:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

The details are explained on Bulbapedia:Autoconfirmed users. The idea is to distinguish between new users and experienced users. You become autoconfirmed once you have made a certain number of edits and had an account for a certain amount of time. We don't disclose the specific numbers, in order to prevent vandals from trying to become autoconfirmed by just targeting those specific values. --SnorlaxMonster 03:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Somehow, I didn't manage to find that help page, so I probably ought to brush up on my MediaWiki search skills. Pale Prism (talk) 03:37, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Special magnetic field

Hi! I was just wondering what exactly your reasoning was for re-adding the categories that you did to special magnetic field but not doing the same for Moss Rock or Ice Rock. Pale Prism (talk) 20:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Mostly just that I missed the changes on the other pages. --SnorlaxMonster 10:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
…Right. I don't really agree with your decision, but at least you're being consistent. Pale Prism (talk) 01:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Sinnoh Pokedex

I decided to follow the same style as the Kanto Pokedex page for handling the Sinnoh Pokedex page in regards Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. If there is ever a picture of the Sinnoh Pokedex for the Gen. VIII version added to this site I would like for you to further modify that page to with that picture to complete the process of these changes. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Porygon's creation

Hi, I'm doing a little work with Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia and I found information about Porygon being created in 1995 [18]. Adding the fact that at the beginning of the first video the book confirms that in universe it is year 1996 in generation 1 we can conclude the missing part of the timeline and all characters' ages. I'm asking before adding that because I'm not sure how such old part of lore should be treated.--Rocket Grunt 22:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I had this same discussion with Dr. Lava when he received that translation. While it certainly provides interesting information about Pokémon species that can be considered canon, I don't think we should use it to establish character ages, because I don't think we can say that it still applies given the lack of reference to this specific timeline since. I think it's still worth noting when discussing the timeline, but I would prefer to keep the uncertainty in whether it's actually still applicable.
In fairness, my thoughts here are being influenced by the fact that that would establish character ages at the upper end rather than the more intuitive-feeling lower end of the 10-20 year range. If you disagree, I would suggest bringing it up on the talk page of Core series or History of the Pokémon world. --SnorlaxMonster 11:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I think we already got too far assuming character's age, like Red's, in SMUSUM being 21-31. It's good to put all the information we have in Core series page, but I wouldn't rely on them as much elsewhere.--Rocket Grunt 12:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Partner Trainers

Hey! I appreciate the edits that you've made so far on the location articles for some of the Stat Trainers, but… wouldn't it be better if each "Partner Trainer" section was placed before the "Pokémon" section on its article? The whole reason that I placed the partner Trainer details in the "Geography" sections in the first place was because I felt that they were relevant to wild battles as well as Trainer battles. (I would've given them a completely new section, but I didn't feel that I had the authority.) Pale Prism (talk) 00:47, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I think moving the "Partner Trainer" section higher up makes sense. I just think it's important that they're not considered part of the "Geography" of the area, as if they were objects. --SnorlaxMonster 09:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely. Like I said, I would've added a new, separate, non-"Geography" section for them if I thought that I was allowed to. Pale Prism (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Game move errors reversion

I did this edit for a reason. The function of the Move Reminder being able to reteach moves that can only be learned at later levels was removed in Generation VIII, and so I wanted to assume that it's legitimate for the Pokémon to have the move at the correct level if the Pokémon came from Sword or Shield. For them, Linoone with Slash is obtainable at level 29, and Cryogonal is obtainable with Confuse Ray at level 40 on a Pokémon from Sword or Shield. Same goes for wild Purrloin knowing Growl at level 2 in the same game. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 21:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Normally on that page, we only note the first generation in which it becomes possible for the Pokémon to learn that move. Subsequent generations are implicitly possible due to being able to send Pokémon forward. --SnorlaxMonster 08:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

GO Pages for Pokémon species

I stumbled upon an Venusaur (GO) page while re-doing some of the GO images on Archives. Totally separate, and without knowledge of what you've already done, I spent the last couple weeks working on a Venusaur GO page on my end. Please let me know if you have any feedback, or if you have ideas on what is needed to move forward on this. TehPerson (talk) 01:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't really sure whether splitting GO appearances to separate pages would be a good idea, but I made that page as a proof-of-concept to examine how I felt about it. I think there's still a decent amount of room for improvement. I don't have any immediate plans to start splitting GO Pokémon appearances. --SnorlaxMonster 11:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


I wanted to prove that my "fileexist" template (highlighted in red below) works perfectly, as expected.

Warden Pokémon
ノボリ Nobori

Source code

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{hisui color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{hisui color}}" cellspacing=1 cellpadding=2 |- style="color:#{{hisui color dark}}; background:#{{hisui color light}};" ! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Warden ! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{hisui color dark}}|Pokémon}} |- style="background:#{{poison color light}}; color:#{{poison color dark}};" | style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:{{User:Bfdifan2006/fileexist|Legends Arceus Ingo.png|Legends Arceus Ingo.png|Black White Ingo.png}}|x120px|Ingo]]<br>{{color2|{{poison color dark}}|Ingo}}<br><small>ノボリ Nobori</small> | style="{{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:903Sneasler.png|100px|link=Sneasler (Pokémon)]]<br>{{pcolor|Sneasler|{{poison color dark}}}} |}

If the file Legends Arceus Ingo.png had existed, it would replace Ingo's BW artwork in this table. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 12:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


Greetings! I have been editing the learnset section on the move pages for some now, and I think there is a lot that could be done to improve the readability of these sections. I think that what I do here is worthwhile (regardless of my set of skills not being unique), and my opinion carries some weight. I'd like to list my suggestions, from what I find most agreeable to the ones I think will be hard sells.

  • 1: Make the height of each line 68 pixels. The smaller menusprites make the pages look atrocious. I originally thought that this was not implemented due to its difficulty, but after seeing that it works quite well on the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl#Game-exclusive Pokémon page, I don't think there is any excuse to not implement this globally, in every single template that uses menusprites.
  • 2: Come to a consensus as to when we should note the learnability of a move within a generation. Let's take Teleport as an example. Pokémon introduced after Gen 4 all have the SwSh tag. Pokémon only available in BDSP have the BDSP tag. Pokémon available in both SwSh and BDSP, but not in Legends, have the SwShBDSP tags. The only ones that should have no tags are the ones available in all of these games and learn the given move at the same level, like the Abra line in my example. This means that Natu, Xatu and Claydol should have the SwShBDSP tags next to the level number in the Gen VIII column. I noticed that my edits, following these principles, on Leaf Storm and Wood Hammer had been reverted. This makes it look like as if Alolan Exeggutor and Unovan Lilligant are available in all three games, which in my opinion is misleading and inconsistent with the guiding principles of style. If this is the style we go with, then there would be no distinction between Pokémon that are available in all Gen VIII games and the ones that are only available in SwSh. Please consider.
  • 3: Now, if you agree that the former is the proper style in my previous suggestion, you might notice that the game tags make the page look unnecessarily busy. Gone are the days when every Pokémon is in every Generation and all have the same movesets in all the games. I suggest breaking up the Gen VIII column into three separate colums: SWSH, BDSP, and LA, not unlike the way we do with Tutor moves. I suggest we do the same with Gen VII, so we have SMUSUM and PE, or alternatively, SM, USUM, PE, though I think that is not needed just because of a few new Pokémon. I understand that having Generations and games be the headers of the columns might seem inconsistent, but I firmly believe it is the way to go forward. The implementation would be hellish, for sure, but trust me, it will pay off in the long run, as we are definitely getting more dex culling and games with limited move availability. Please, don't reject this idea, and discuss it with the administrative team and the community.
  • 4: Let go of the menusprites. I love them, but it's clear that GameFreak is moving away from them, which is understandable, these were not made for the Switch. The only two art styles that are consistently being updated with the new Pokémon are the "Sugimori" artworks and the "Dream World/Global Link" artworks. I suggest using the Sugimori artworks, as they look good enough at 68px already (we might as well go up to 70px, it doesn't matter at that point). I have issues with the "Dream World" artworks' inconsistent coloring and the images not being squares (the latter alone disqualifies them from use in their current form, but the images can be edited). The "Sugimori" artworks are already used on pages like List of Pokémon with branched evolutions, and I think they look good, even at 50px, the details of the Pokémon would be even clearer at 70px. Now, if using dozens of 1200x1200 images on every move page comes with significant loading times, then 70px versions should be uploaded separately. Let me demonstrate it on some Pokémon.
  • 5: Finally, here comes my hardest sell. Merge the TM/TR and Tutor sections into one section with one template. Make every header the name of the individual games, ditch the generational headers completely. The headers should have two lines: one for the game, one for the availability of the move, eg. HGSS/TM67, SwSh/TR23, or LA/Tutor. As of now, moves that had been both TMs/TRs and tutor moves, have a lot of repeat information. The pages are unnecessarily long (requiring tons of scrolling now that we are closing in on 1000 Pokémon) and the learnsets are not different in most cases. This would make the pages more readable and would significantly decrease loading time, which is an issue. Look at Flamethrower as an example. Every single Pokémon that was able to learn the move through tutoring, could also learn it via TM/TR later.

In conclusion, it is time to adapt to the changes The Pokémon Company has made. Please do not dismiss these suggestions, because the current format is severely outdated and will require infinitely more work to keep up, then to just implement my suggestions (which will be a lot of work). I hope you recognize that this is all in good faith and well worth the consideration from the administrative team and the community.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 08:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

A few other things I only realized I missed while taking a shower. It's 2022, using sprites is no longer cool. A lot of people now have monitors with such high resolution, that the pixels become blurred. I personally have to use Bulbapedia at 80% zoom to enjoy the details of the menusprites. Additionally, while we are at the sprites being obsolete, we should really stop using the type bars from Gen IV that don't even correspond to the type colors Bulbapedia use. It's time for the SwSh type icons to be used. Finally, if we merge the TM/TR and Tutor templates, we might as well make it so the games in which the move cannot be taught in these methods do not appear. This would improve readability, but it's a small thing.
Earth Power
# Pokémon Types Egg Groups Level
483   Dialga
   Undiscovered Undiscovered 60DPPt
33 33 33 72 80 42
484   Palkia
   Undiscovered Undiscovered 60DPPt
33 33 33 72 80 42
487   Giratina
   Undiscovered Undiscovered 60DPPt
33 33 33 70 77 55
# Pokémon Types Egg Groups Game
059   Arcanine
  Field Field
Icy Wind
# Pokémon Types Egg Groups Game
031   Nidoqueen
   Undiscovered Undiscovered
# Pokémon Types Egg Groups Game
059   Arcanine
  Field Field
Icy Wind
# Pokémon Types Egg Groups Game
031   Nidoqueen
   Undiscovered Undiscovered
Oneofthosedf (talk) 09:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I would like to throw in few words myself into this discussion. A long time ago we did actually divide the cells for differences in movesets within a generation, instead of using the supscript; I believe we switched sometime during Generation VI, though I forgot what was the exact reason. Another thing of note is that, as far as we know, there's currently nothing to differentiate between "this Pokémon no longer learns this move in Generation VIII" and "this Pokémon is not present in any Generation VIII game". A good example is Mud-Slap; the Mudkip and Sandile lines do not have Mud-Slap in the levelup moveset anymore. Meanwhile, Yungoos line who did learn it in Generation VII via level-up, is not present in any Generation VIII game at all. Eridanus (talk) 10:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I do think there should be a method in which we singal that the Pokémon is not coded into the game, the most obvious one would be the ✘ sign, but that is already used to mean "does not learn". I'd say we could give a different color to the respective cells, but if we were to use colors at all, we should do it to mark the games/generations. Currently, if you scroll down a few times on a page like Zen Headbutt, you could very quickly lose track of as to which column represents which game. Having different colors for the columns would be solve this issue as well. † could be a solution to mark absence.
It seems logical to not divide them pre-Gen 7, the differences between learnsets within generations were minimal. That is no longer a case (to put it mildly).
Oneofthosedf (talk) 10:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
You've given a lot to work with here, and perhaps it would make more sense if you isolated your specific examples to a separate user subpage rather than my talk page, so you could get better feedback on them (and so they won't be buried so quickly).
1. I don't really mind the varying heights that much, but I can understand your concern. I don't have a problem with it, but I don't really care if we do nothing.
2. and 3. I think what you've struck upon is a fundamental problem with the wiki's approach to the core series games that has been an issue since the release of Let's Go. All the way up to Gen 6, generations were all internally very similar, where different core series games in the same generation were basically the same mechanically—the key differences were the maps, story, and new features (but primarily as additions rather than replacements). Starting in Gen 7, with the release of Let's Go, this fundamental assumption about similarity has fallen apart, and it's only continued to get worse in Gen 8.
In terms of how to solve it in the specific case of learnsets, I think you're absolutely right that we need to have separate columns for each game. In fact, I proposed that exact concept myself at the most recent Editorial Board meeting. The problem with all of these kinds of solutions is that there are a lot of templates and structures on the wiki that make assumptions that no longer hold, but changing them is a lot of work and unlikely to be backwards compatible. I would love to change the templates to do that, but it would either require coding a bot to automatically update every page, or having people manually update every single move page (of which there are hundreds). The former requires someone technically skilled enough to do so, and trusted enough to run such a bot. I probably could write such a bot, but my time is limited and I feel like that still doesn't address the deeper problem.
The deeper problem is that all of Bulbapedia's page content is static. That the list of Pokémon that can learn Growl is maintained entirely separately from the Pokémon pages that list when Pokémon that learn Growl. If we could have some kind of database set up (be it Cargo, SMW, or even an external database) that could be queried to generate learnlists, so that the data wasn't stored directly on move pages, editing templates would allow changing all move pages at once, rather than just necessitating more cascading changes. However, while this kind of approach has been discussed before, I can't imagine it occurring anytime soon.
So to be clear, I completely support your proposal and have advocated for it myself. But with the current structure of the wiki, implementing it is a huge amount of work that it is going to be difficult to actually make happen.
4. I think you've missed the most obvious choice: Pokémon HOME sprites. Unlike official game artwork (what is often referred to as Sugimori artwork, despite Sugimori often not being the artist anymore), it is specifically designed to be displayed at smaller sizes, as it is in HOME itself. Given that each game is only going to have a subset of the full Pokédex from now on, and each game seems to have their own style of menu sprites, I think HOME artworks are going to be the way forward.
5. I completely understand the motivation of merging TM/TR/HM lists with Move Tutor lists, but your examples have convinced me it is a bad idea. They are messy, overly busy, and in my opinion just hard to read.
Re: Noting Pokémon/Moves that do not exist: I think what should be done here is that we display ✘ if both the Pokémon and move exist in a particular game, but the Pokémon cannot learn it; and use blanks where either the Pokémon or move does not exist. But again, this is something that I think would be a good design, but would be a lot of work to actually implement at the moment. --SnorlaxMonster 08:42, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
You are right, and since then I made a specific sandbox for my suggestions, you can check it out here: User:Oneofthosedf/Sandbox. The TM/TR/Tutor merge was an on-the-spot first draft, please don't write it off solely because of that. I had been asking for advice from other users, and I really think the merged template is coming along nicely. I'll add more outliers to my sandbox to prove that it is the right way going forward. A big motivation for me is that post-Gen VII, getting comprehensive learnset information has become difficult and in my opnion, Bulbapedia has the potential to solve the issue (other fansites are incredibly messy as well with a lot of scrolling required).
I am really not a fan of the lighting, coloration and style of the HOME sprites, and the dead space and incosistent placement of the models (eg. Kantonian and Galarian Meowth are centered, Alolan Meowth is on the bottom, the Abra line is light brown, even though they are yellow in every mainline game). They are awkward and incosistent. I think the "Sugimori" artworks are infinitely more pleasing to look at, and are just as official as the HOME models. Check out my sandbox to see what I really mean.
I thought about the massive work that would come with the implementation as well. I think that work just has to be done and better sooner than later, so delaying its implementation in fear of more work (or lack of people who'll do the work) is guaranteed to bring us even more work in the not too distant future. My solution would be creating new templates (so the old ones don't break), and with the help of the information we already have, implementing the new teamplates individually. For the level-up learnset templates, we'd only need to include extra | symbols. It honestly doesn't seem to be more work than what we had to do when SwSh dropped (where every level-up moveset was changed for 600+ Pokémon). It is guaranteed to be less work than adding new learn levels to dozens of Pokémon 900 times. Obviously, I would be front and center of implementing these changes, but I understand if you cannot trust a stranger's promises on the internet.
I picked the ◯ smybol to signal that a Pokémon doesn't exist in a particular game. I don't really care about this one, since "not in game" and "can't learn in it game" could both go blank in my opinion.
Oneofthosedf (talk) 11:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I take your point about the HOME sprites. Since they're all the same poses as the official artwork anyway (just rendered as glossy 3D models), I think the official artwork probably is the way to go. And the official artwork at least is guarenteed for the long term, whereas we have no idea how long HOME will last (given that Bank has already been superceded). I've left the rest of my comments on your Sandbox's talk page. --SnorlaxMonster 12:00, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Vulpix (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset

Yes, I did remove Power Swap, but this was just a mistake, sorry. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 08:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Template edit

Hi, I was wondering if you'd be able to edit the template below to include the in-game Legends: Arceus list?

{{Event Pokémon}}

Thanks in advance.

FenomOO (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

I've added it. --SnorlaxMonster 13:45, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Template:Pokémon for Legends Arceus

Since the mechanics in Legends Arceus are completely different, I figured we should have one for it that accounts for things like move masteries. I have a draft here: User:TehPerson/Pokémon/LA. TehPerson (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Looks promising to me, personally. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Coffee made a similar template at User talk:Coffee/Sandbox/Template:Pokémon/8/LA.
I definitely prefer the dark-filled move mastery icon on a white background (and we should probably move the files to have similar filenames). But I also prefer your layout, where the move master icon does not offset the move name.
Type icons instead of plaintext types are probably fine, although I'm always hesitant to use images when text would suffice.
Gender icons don't seem to show up in your draft template. You're missing the gender parameter in the example, but even when I previewed on the talk page with gender=female, the female symbol did not show up. --SnorlaxMonster 09:02, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
I made the changes based on your feedback. Reverted back to the CSS type icons. The gender param works on my end-and it's now on the test- but there's also a different spritegender parameter. TehPerson (talk) 16:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Username change request

Hi, I would like my username changed from Catbert45 to Metalynx. The reason for this change is that I was not thinking carefully back when I created my original username (which is the same username I used across many other sites.) While the username Catbert45 was innocent enough and I just named my account after my cat, everywhere I went people would assume I was a furry and harass me because I had 'cat' in my username. There was even a group of people a while ago who went hunting for any websites which had an account called 'Catbert45' on it just so they could post negative comments about me on as many websites as possible. Fortunately they did not find my account on this website. I have slowly been changing the usernames of all accounts I have where my username is Catbert45, and I now want to change my Bulbapedia username to Metalynx. Thanks, --Catbert45 (talk) 09:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry if I am not SnorlaxMonster (or any staff member), but I have to say that due to technical issues related to the user rename extension, Bulbapedia does not accept username change requests at the moment. It happened when Pokemaster97 tried to rename my old account from TheICTLiker4 to Keyacom, it got stuck on Bulbanews (it renames on all 3 Bulbawiki sites separately, through a queue) and I permanently lost access to that account, so I use this one now. --Bfdifan2006rozmowa · sprawozdanie 11:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
But don't you think having "lynx" in your username kind of defeats the purpose of removing "cat" to not be mistaken for a furry? If everywhere you go people are so hostile towards (perceived) furries, wouldn't it be better to not have any animals in your username? Kikugi (talk) 00:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Kikugi, please don't criticize other user's username choices. As long as the follow the username policy, it really doesn't matter what users choose to call themselves.
Catbert45, unfortunately it's just as Bfdifan2006 described. We currently cannot safely rename users, or else we risk locking the user out of their own account (as happened to them). This is a task that has been on our technician's to-do list for a while. But as you can imagine with a site this large, when we only have one technician, there are often a lot of issues to work on, and some issues have to be prioritized over others. --SnorlaxMonster 01:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Sorry it seemed as if I was criticizing their choice! I'm perfectly fine with whatever people call themselves on here if the policy allows it, I was just confused by their choice knowing their reason. I thought I was helping and I'm sorry if I actually wasn't. Kikugi (talk) 04:42, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Oh well, I guess I will just have to wait. But could you please change my username after renaming is fixed, and add me to a list of people whose usernames are to be changed if one exists?
Kikugi it's fine, I see why you might be a bit confused. Metalynx is the name of a Pokemon from Pokemon Uranium. I like that game and it's also a neat way to be named after a Pokemon without breaching the username policy since it's a fanmade Pokemon. I doubt people will perceive it as a furry username, especially on a Pokemon site. Also someone somewhere will find something to criticize you for based on your username, no matter what you change it to. Trolls will be trolls. The more important thing is just to ensure that I have a different username on every website. That way, if some troll (or the other word I have for them which I can't say here) with nothing better to do decides to come after me they can't follow me across the internet. --Catbert45 (talk) 12:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Move questions

  1. I am for moving "Island Kahuna" to "Island kahuna" (note the lowercase K). This is because all in-game dialogue refers to kahunas with the lowercase K. Searching is also case-insensitive.
  2. Can I move the page Template:Stats/LA and its talk page to the mainspace?
  3. I can say that the pages Number glitch Pokémon, E O, Pronunciation and Gradient can be moved from my old userspace to the new one.

BTW, you don't need to move, at least I can handle the moves from the latter two list items. If so, you can remove the redirects later. --Bfdifan2006rozmowa · sprawozdanie 15:58, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Forgot to say that, but I can say that User:Keyacom/List of fishing encounters can be moved to my current userspace too. --Bfdifan2006rozmowa · sprawozdanie 19:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Sorry if I bother you with this again, but this is a friendly reminder about this. Slightly off-topic, I asked Oneofthosedf why did they "beg" at Force Fire's talk page, and I realized it's rather reminding.
Regardless, this is just a reminder I asked you about potentially moving some pages. User:Keyacom/Template:NewMove can be moved to my userspace as well. --Bfdifan2006! Or is he actually Keyacom? 07:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Adding more detail to Pokemon: Unite item and Pokemon pages?

I have noticed that some of the held items and battle items on the Pokemon Unite page and the Pokemon on the Pokemon Unite List of Pokemon page are not written in as much detail as the corresponding pages on UniteDB.

The information on Bulbapedia for some of these Pokemon and items does not use the exact numbers and details which tell people exactly what they do. I was wondering if we have permission to edit the Pokemon Unite articles on Bulbapedia in order to expand on the descriptions of Pokemon moves and items, given that the source of the exact numbers and more detailed statistics is UniteDB which isn't an official site.

I wrote about this a few days ago on Bulbapedia talk:Project Sidegames under a post with the same name as the title of this one (which is the post right at the bottom of the page at the time of writing), but there were no replies. I won't bother to copy the entire post over here, but there are more details on the Project Sidegames page and I'd prefer replies to be made to the post on that page rather than here.

--Catbert45 (talk) 11:09, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Pokémon by release date

Hey there. I'm not sure if I'm using this talk page right (sorry if I'm not, I'm new here) but I noticed you had a page here detailing all of the Pokémon by their reveal date, and that you hadn't edited it in a while. I'd be willing to update the page with Gen 8 info and potentially also revamp it to include mini sprites, though I wouldn't want to do that if you weren't comfortable with it since it's your page. Alternatively I could create the page from scratch on my userpage and credit you for the information? Either way I'm happy to help bring it up to date :) PuddleCat (talk) 23:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

username change and ban


It's my understanding that accounts cannot be deleted? If that's the case, may I instead please have my username changed to a bunch of Xs or something and my account permanently banned? Thank you.Sandrew26 (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as of now, renaming accounts is also not possible due to technical problems that arose when renaming my old account, TheICTLiker4, to Keyacom. I'm very sorry about that. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 07:26, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
If you want to abandon your account permanently but can't help but always come back, one of the ways I could suggest is changing your password to something you're very likely to forget. Kikugi (talk) 07:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


Hey there. So, the Missingno page is blocked out from editing by regular users, yet it's got a major problem where its Defense stat made the entire page get heavily lengthened to the point of nonexistence: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/MissingNo.

Is it possible for you to fix that? --Flashlight237 (talk) 23:09, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

There was actually a problem with {{Stats/GenI}} but I was able to fix it.--MisterE13 02:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Possible to block my old account?

I used to edit here as Croconaw2000, but I deleted the email for the account a long time ago and don’t remember the password, so I was completely unable to log back in. Would it be possible to restore access to the old account in some way (most notably by changing the email address) or block it?

Pikmin3WiiU (talk)

Memory (game mechanic) and Pokémon Tower (mechanic)

Should Memory (game mechanic) and Pokémon Tower (mechanic) be moved to Memory (mechanic) and Pokémon Tower (Mystery Dungeon), respectively? The former would make the article consistent with Season (mechanic) and the latter would make it consistent with other disambiguated Mystery Dungeon articles. Alternatively, Memory (game mechanic) could stay as it is and Season (mechanic) could be moved to Season (game mechanic), which would make both articles more consistent with Mystery Dungeon game mechanics. Thoughts? Landfish7 06:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Move entry template overhaul


I have made a couple of posts about revamping the move pages earlier this year. You can find them here and here. Since then, Bfdifan2006 and I have been working on the implementation of these suggestions. To keep this short, I won't reiterate everything. I originally posted this on the Editor's Hub, even though I didn't need help with the editing stuff. I notified two admins about it, thinking it didn't matter where I post my suggestion, they would eventually respond (though I think the last paragraph meets the purposes of the page). But two weeks passed, and I got no response, the release of SV is coming closer and someone is adding even more game tags to the learnset templates. Considering you are on the Editorial Board, I thought I'd take my chances, and come to you again.

We propose two new templates: a new header and a new entry template for moves. You can see what their implementation would look like here. There is also a tutorial page on how to use the new header.

Our goal with this measure is not only future-proofing, but also decluttering and the shortening of pages. That is why we also propose the merger of the TM/TR and the Tutor sections. Since a move can only be one of these three within a game, it's a perfect solution and the template accommodates all possible game combinations. Incredible help for mobile users, who would no longer have to scroll for ages to find out whether their Infernape could learn Drain Punch or not.

I am willing to do 100% of the manual implementation of myself (though coordinated help is appreciated). Since the new templates wouldn't be compatible with the old code, some editing is required. I would start with the level-up learnsets, then move on to merging the TM and Tutoring sections. The breeding sections would remain separate. Considering I helped with updating the learnsets during the release of SwSh and LA, I hope that my commitment is taken seriously. It is a big job, but I am confident it can be finished before the release of SV.

Please note: we'd like to implement an "All Forms" note for Pokémon like Wormadam (it would have all three artworks in the template), Shaymin, etc. Essentially for Pokémon whose forms have almost identical movesets. This would need separate approval, and I would like to hear the admins' opinion on it. This is not urgent and can be implemented after everything else. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 02:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, I haven't been around much recently. The Editorial Board has some issues with this template its current form, but hasn't had a detailed enough discussion to provide feedback as a group before the release of Scarlet and Violet. (Basically, the Editorial Board would need to have a detailed discussion to work out exactly what should be changed.) After coverage of those games have settled, the Editorial Board will revisit this idea. --SnorlaxMonster 00:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm just happy I finally got some form of feedback, and I am sure all issues can be worked out. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


Can you delete: File:---Sprigatito.png
?--Rocket Grunt 14:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Should be all cleaned up. --SnorlaxMonster 06:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Evolution Moves and other questions

Hey! I saw that you removed the repetition of Evolution moves when editing reminder moves. Should we no longer list these moves as "1, Evo." or is this just a Gen IX (and PLA) thing because of the move reminder?

Another thing, since it's easier to just list my requests in once. We need a version of the MoveNA template for Gen IX. I didn't create it myself, because I have no idea what the new one should be called.

The "alldex" templates need to have Paldea added. I already added the syntax to the page, "padex" since that's what I saw on the Paldea Dex page.

And lastly, for now, should I create redirects for the menu sprites so that the move pages don't have a bunch of question marks? Eg. "File:Menu SV Quaquaval.png" -> "File:???Quaquaval.png". Would that even work or the questions marks override it? Or just wait it out until the numbers are confirmed?

Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:27, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

To my knowledge, we only ever listed both 1 and Evo when the Pokémon was actually listed as learning the same move in both ways. For example, in BDSP, Charizard learns Air Slash as both an evolution move and at Level 1. They seemed to always list evolution moves twice in previous games, but not in SV. Evolution moves do still appear in the Move Reminder in SV, so my guess is they figured out how to make them show up there without having to define them twice in learnsets.
Regarding {{Learnlist/MoveNA}}, the staff are still discussing whether that's something we should continue going forward.
I've updated {{alldex}} and {{alldexh}} to add Paldea.
For Paldean Pokémon, whereever their Pokédex numbers would be listed, just use nulls. We already have redirects set up at a:File:Quaquaval.png etc. --SnorlaxMonster 23:53, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
OK, I'll edit the pages from now on accordingly.
The redirect would need to be a:File:QuaquavalMS.png. Currently only the starters bar Meowscara ad Quaquaval have that redirect. So I want to create smilar "MS" redirects for the rest. But I might be misunderstanding something. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:23, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Ah right, I had intended to make those, then thought they wouldn't be necessary for some reason. I've just created them all. I did not make redirects for alternate forms though, so if that's an issue feel free to create them. --SnorlaxMonster 00:51, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 01:01, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

PLA menusprites

Hey! For the sake of consistency could we replace the scaled down (duplicate) images we use for the Pokémon introduced in PLA? I uploaded their menu sprites from SV, so we can now use those as the "???MS.png" files. The current ones would probably need to be deleted to be able to function as redirects. I already have the content of redirects ready, just need someone to delete these 28 files.

I hope this isn't a weird thing to ask, I just think these would be much nicer to look at than the current ones. Thanks in advance! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 04:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense. I've deleted those old temporary images, so they're ready to turn into redirects. --SnorlaxMonster 05:11, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
All done. Thank you. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 05:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


Hey! Going through the evoboxes I have noticed a few a inconsistencies. I did my best to correct the obvious oversights, but these could go either way, so I must ask a few questions:

  • Level up + friendship vs. Level up after learning a move. The former sometimes has both the rare candy and the soothe bell icons, while the latter only ever has a TM icon. The friendship and the time pages both have the rare candies. Do we need the rare candy there? (I lean towards no)
  • Time of day. What is the proper way of describing and formatting that? Most of the time I saw during the day/at night, but the time page says during the daytime/during the nighttime. Also should this be in parentheses, should it be small, etc.?
  • Pokémon that can evolve into regional variants (eg. Pikachu, Petilil). Should the regular form have the "outside [region]" part, and if so, how should that be formatted? Should be consistent with the "in [region]" part.
  • Do we need the gender symbols next to the rare candies? They are too small. (I lean towards no)
  • Also, Eevee's, Tyrogue's and Nincada's evoboxes are locked and cannot be updated.

I hope it's OK that I started to add the new item sprites. I really saw no reason not to. It's the standard going forward and we have almost completely done away with pixel art. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 03:54, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters Film Comic

Hello. I see that you started adding some information from the "Pocket Monsters Film Comic" series. Have you got any access to those books? If yes, then how far does your collection go? I'm asking because I believe that these books may reveal some names for characters that we don't have any article on. In this case, I think being featured in the character section of those books should be notable enough to create a page for such a character. Don't worry, I can take care of it, as long as I'm able to identify the character. --Maxim (talk) 09:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have all the Kanto and Orange Islands books. I'm currently going through them to add the list of characters featured in the character profile of each book to the Pocket Monsters Film Comic page. As you may have noticed, I've been creating a few redirects while doing that, because when typing up the lists I'm just searching for the romaji version of the character's Japanese name (since I don't necessarily remember their dub names at a glance) and creating redirects when they don't already exist.
Unfortunately for what you may have been hoping for, in most cases characters whose names aren't already listed on Bulbapedia are just named generic things. For example, Ash's Raticate's former owner and the man from the Pokémon Lover's Club are both just 紳士 (Gentleman). There's also a character entry for 少女たち (Group of teenage girls), who are the girls in the Celadon Gym. The Ghost of Maiden's Peak does at least have a Japanese name that wasn't already listed: 謎の美女 (mysterious beautiful woman), although it's very generic-sounding, and similar to the name used for Sabrina's father: 謎の男 (mysterious man). --SnorlaxMonster 09:47, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Poke Transporter from Japanese Virtual Console questions

This edit says that when transferring from Virtual Console through Poke Transporter, the profanity filter does not apply at all in Japanese. This would be very surprising; do you have more info or more proof?

This other edit also predates VC GS being compatible with Transporter, and says that an exclamation point/question mark in a Japanese Pokemon's nickname will be changed to a space on transfer, which sort of made sense at the time. But the wording now implies that this still happens when transferring from VC GSC through Transporter. Do you know if this behavior still exists? Blueapple128 (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Re: Profanity filter not applying to kana: That is surprising to me too. I'm not sure what my source was, but I found two tweets from myself around that time about it, but both times I quote tweeted my own tweet about the filter existing in English, not anyone providing evidence of it being that way in Japanese. Due to not citing any sources anywhere (and being unable to find any chat logs of it), I'm not actually sure where I got that information from.
Re: Exclamation/question marks: That was based on The Slayer's research at the time. It was done in the brief window between the release of VC GS and the Transporter update. I don't know if that was changed in later versions of Transporter. --SnorlaxMonster 10:36, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for the fast response! Blueapple128 (talk) 21:20, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
I managed to test this myself with a Japanese 3DS and a Japanese copy of VC Crystal, while Poke Transporter and Pokemon Bank were both set to Japanese. To my great surprise, the profanity filter is indeed skipped (tried something in both hiragana and katakana, and tried both nickname and OT). The exclamation point/question mark behavior works properly. Editing the article. Blueapple128 (talk) 07:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Underleveled Pokemon

Hi, I made an article about User:Team Rocket Grunt/Underleveled Pokémon and I wish it to be mainspaced. I think it's an interesting topic, similar to Game move errors so it's worth to be created. I won't be able to find all cases of Pokemon being underleveled, I have found a lot already, and I wish it would be public so it could be improved by others, like Croma who is active on this page User:AllAreEqual/Underleveled Pokémon‎‎.--Rocket Grunt 22:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

About the encounter tables of Sinnoh Wild Pokémon

Hello, I'm a user from a fellow wiki of Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis, WikiDex, and I've noticed that in Bulbapedia, the encounter pools of most Sinnoh locations are different from every other source I've been able to find. Since most of those changes I've seen were made by you coming as far back as 2019, I was wondering where that information came from, to check mostly if there's some outdated information that we haven't updated over in our site. Thanks in advance --JonGor13 (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, really sorry for ignoring your message for so long. I was typically basing my edits on Veekun. It should be possible to validate this against the game data — unfortunately, it looks like the decompilation project hasn't decompiled the encounter tables yet though. --SnorlaxMonster 12:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Found a questionable usertag

Do we really need this usertag? It's inappropriate for a family-friendly wiki like Bulbapedia. Since this is a wiki about Pokémon, little kids may browse this wiki, and we don't want them clicking on the Wikipedia link in that usertag to find out what it is. For this reason, I think it should be deleted. Buzzfan120 (talk) 02:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The fact {{PA}} template exists makes me think we do allow kid-unfriendly material on BP. We just have to mark it as such. Kikugi (talk) 10:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
We had actually intended to delete that tag when we retired several other usertags last year, but it seems that after agreeing to delete it, nobody actually did. I've removed it now. --SnorlaxMonster 12:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Fair enough. It didn't seem that necessary anyway; I doubt there were that many people using it (and even less using it seriously). Kikugi (talk) 13:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, there were only 3. (Also, if you actually follow the Wikipedia link, I don't think it's actually about what the users thought it was.) --SnorlaxMonster 13:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Your Flight subpage

Hey, would you be okay with me editing your User:SnorlaxMonster/Flight subpage? I think it can become notable for the mainspace so that a lot of information which is on the Fly page or Flying Taxi page or etc pages just due to a lack of a better location can be present in a single location together on this page. → PikaTepig999 01:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sure. I had always intended it to end up in the mainspace, but never really did much research for it, outside of Gen 7. If you're willing to put in the work to expand it, that would be great. --SnorlaxMonster 05:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
How do you feel about the structure of the page now? I have added a "mechanic" section, detailing how flight works, and a "list of flyable locations" section. I'll be slowly adding the location list for each region. But I have couple of queries: Should the location lists be divided by region or by game? If divided by region, is it acceptable to just add {{sup}} to locations that in a specific game only? Additionally, can the Alola list be merged into a single table, with the islands as fully horizontal spanning cells, instead of fully separate sections? → PikaTepig999 05:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
I've completed adding the location tables for all the regions, and I believe the page should be ready for the mainspace now. It would help remove some information off of the Fly (move) and other mechanic pages and have all the info in one page. I'd appreciate if you could go through the article once and then mainspace it if you feel it is ready. → PikaTepig999 10:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Great work! It looks good to go, so I've mainspaced it. --SnorlaxMonster 14:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Glad to hear that! Also, do you think a similar page for Surf mechanics would also be notable? I think the rest of the field moves already have pages for their mechanics in the form of obstacle pages (though they might need to be restructured a bit). → PikaTepig999 21:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I could see surfing itself having its own page. At the moment, that mechanic is mostly covered on water tile though. --SnorlaxMonster 23:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
I think Surfing having its own page could be nice. Landfish7 23:35, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
From what I can see, the water tile page covers the mechanics of the tile itself, such as the effect on environment or on certain moves. A page about surfing (see draft in my userspace) would cover the mechanics of how the player travels over water, such as using the move Surf or Ride Pokémon. → PikaTepig999 00:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I believe the Surfing page is ready for the mainspace now; I'd appreciate if you can take a look. → PikaTepig999 02:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Is the Surfing page notable for the mainspace after its updates? All the other HM obstacles have their own articles, so it makes sense to have this one too. → PikaTepig999 00:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

For other field moves, we create an article for the obstacle itself, not the action of removing that obstacle. So breakable rock instead of "smashing rocks", etc. For Surf, the obstacle is water, which already has a page. Flight is the one exception, because there is no obstacle to create a page about, so we have to make it about the action instead.
I don't really see why Surfing needs to be a separate page from water tile. That page could probably be expanded to detail the action of surfing in more detail, but I haven't seen a compelling case for why Surfing needs to be the only field move to have an article about both the obstacle and the action. --SnorlaxMonster 04:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently, the water tile page only covers the types of water tiles, the mechanics of the tile itself (such as the effects of moves) and what happens when you step on it, similar to the pages for snow tile, sand tile, and others in Category:Special tiles. It has no coverage about water as an obstacle. A Surfing page would cover all the mechanics of travelling on water, similar to pages in Category:Obstacles. I do your point about merging both articles, but neither of the current titles would fit the merged page, in my opinion. (All the tile pages are currently suggested to be moved to the element, so that's one consideration).
My main reason for a separate page is to separate the 'outside of battle info' from the in-battle move mechanics on the main move page. I also think Diving should have a separate page for the move and the obstacle, since the underwater page works mostly as a location info page, not about the mechanics. → PikaTepig999 20:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Ultra Aura or Z-Power?

Hello, i just wanted to inform you that i found the term, Ultra Aura from the "Aura" page, Lucario's ability, it is described as the natural power of all living things in Alola and the key to understanding, Z-Moves, which makes it the same as the Z-Power. Trainersurrel0409 (talk) 05:42, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

What other bonus discs are there?

The Colosseum Bonus Disc isn't the only bonus disc in the franchise. Redirecting is too presumptuous. 

I can't think of any other bonus disc. Also, with your permission, I could make it a disambig instead of a redirect. Would that be okay? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 12:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I searched "bonus disc" and found various results for DVDs (such as Super Wallets, Pokémon the Movie: I Choose You!, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl - Collection 2, etc.) and music CDs (Totally Pokémon, Pokémon - Bande originale de la série TV, etc.), as well as a European bundle in which Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire is a bonus disc for Colosseum.
A "bonus disc" is a broad concept, so even if these other bonus discs did not exist, I don't think it would make sense to redirect it to that page. IMO, making a "bonus disc" disambig makes about as much sense as making a "disc" disambig. Sure, you could try to list every single instance of a Pokémon product that included a disc that could be described as a "bonus disc", but I don't think that's actually helpful to readers. --SnorlaxMonster 13:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Userpage links in the mainspace

Hello. Regarding the list of dubbed episodes in the Arabic dub section. Honestly I wasn't aware that it was against the rules to link userpage articles in the mainspace, but I was hoping you can make an exception in this case, because I feel like it's important to demonstrate which episodes were dubbed to Arabic, as I have noticed alot of confusion among fans about which episodes and which seasons were dubbed to Arabic, and that's why I created that page and linked it on top of the section. Thanks SpanskaFlugan (talk) 13:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

If it's important for the page to be linked, then that page should be in the mainspace. As long as it is in the userspace, it is still a draft page, so it shouldn't be linked from within the mainspace. --SnorlaxMonster 14:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

About the spam you deleted...

Hi. I noticed you deleted a revision with spam in it. It's still in the history; specifically these 3 revisions. Since you deleted one, I thought you'd want to know about the rest. Hope I'm not bugging you. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 06:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately it looks like the link got left in for several legitimate edits. I don't want to hide the legitimate edits, so unfortunately it will just have to remain in those revisions. I should have checked that it had actually been reverted before I hid the revision, as it was ultimately pointless. --SnorlaxMonster 06:51, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Oh, that sucks. I must say though, I'm surprised you didn't block the person who did it. Anyway, I'll leave you alone. Good night. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 06:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you stop this certain user from changing the Basculin page so as to match the Hisuian form page?

So this user Veledwin just won’t stop reverting my edit even after I explained about your edit on Hisuian Form. Can you find a way to get this person to stop? I would very much appreciate it. TurtwigFan4848 (User talk) January 4 2024

While I appreciate that you did eventually request admin intervention, you continuously engaged in an edit war both before and after my edit. Please attempt to resolve issues using talk pages, or contact an admin to resolve the dispute if that is ineffective, not simply edit war back and forth. Nor is it appropriate to demand that other users "respect you" because you supposedly "know more". --SnorlaxMonster 01:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Documenting status move failure

Hi SnorlaxMonster,

I was looking to document a mechanic in Gens I/II by which certain non-damaging moves used by in-game opponents have a 25% chance to fail (example) and got some assistance from the Glitch City Research Discord in identifying its implementation within the disassembly (commented as "25% chance AI fails"). Since I know you're often involved with this area, I was looking to get some guidance on which pages it would be relevant and how it ought to be described. I was thinking it would be relevant on the individual move pages as well as the pages for status move, stat modifier, and status condition, but I'd appreciate your input. Thanks --Apopheniac (talk) 01:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Project TFG

Hi, the Project TFG page said you were the contact person, so I thought I’d reach out. I just made an account a few days ago to edit the Steelix (Groundbreakers 33) page, as I recently acquired a copy of the figure. I am willing to help with all the files on Bulbapedia for these, as well as take pics of any figure in my possession. Let me know if you’d like specific help with this, if not, I’ll continue to edit here and there. Thanks! E-123 Omega (talk) 00:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)E-123 Omega

Dex -> Pokédex

I recall someone telling me that the term used in Pokémon Masters EX is specifically "Dex" instead of "Pokédex". Am I recalling this wrong? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

This thought also occurred to me, so I've stopped for now. (I don't recall any specific discussions on the topic though.) I don't currently have a way to check what it is in-game, unfortunately. --SnorlaxMonster 10:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I recall another user changing a mention of "Pokédex" back to "Dex" on a Masters EX character page when it was once changed by another user, using the in-game terminology as the reasoning. Unfortunately, I do not recall which article this occurred, so I can't check. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
It's been verified: it is indeed spelled "Dex" in Masters EX. Said Dex also got its own article now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 02:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Nice. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you help revert the edits you made? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
I've reverted the applicable edits. --SnorlaxMonster 10:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much. For future reference, though, there's a link template that serves the same purpose as {{OBP|Example|Masters}}: {{mas|Example}}. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Could I ask for all the {{OBP|Dex|Masters}} links you added to be changed to {{mas|Dex}}? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Much appreciated. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Yen to dollar exchange

Thanks for providing the correct yen to dollar exchange rate. I wanted to use the correct one from 1998 too, couldn't find it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

I just searched for it and found this website. --SnorlaxMonster 13:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. I actually found that site too, but didn't know how to read it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Sinnoh Three Dragons

I added that term onto Pokémon of Myth since it's the Japanese fan term, not an English one, which may be why you weren't able to find many mentions of it online if you only searched the english term. Eeveelutionred (talk) 22:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Fair. The way you added it, it sounded like it was an English fan term. FWIW, I don't get many results when searching for the Japanese term on Google either, but I do get a lot of results when searching Twitter. --SnorlaxMonster 08:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Spin Off Series Template Mystery Dungeon spacing

「」The Template:Spin-off series has some issues regarding the Mystery Dungeon games' spacing. I noted them here (Template talk:Spin-off series) but the short version is that Mystery Dungeon needs some of its line breaks removed and Sky should be de-grouped from the paired Explorers games. May I have permission to do exactly that? Salmancer (talk) 23:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)