User talk:Oneofthosedf

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Linking anime Pokémon

Just so you know, when anime Pokémon owned by main cast are linked, they are linked by the form they were in at the time. So when the context of a text is referring to Ash's Goomy, [[Ash's Goomy]] is correct as opposed to [[Ash's Goodra|Ash's Goomy]]. When the context of the text is referring to Ash's Goodra, just use [[Ash's Goodra]]. The linking style you used for Ash's Goomy is never applied (not anymore at least), so don't use it. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Voice actor citations

Yes, it's pretty obvious the English voice actors you've put for various characters' Pokémon are correct, but just to be sure, please contact the voice actor on social media to verify. I know because I've done that before and I was asked the same thing. I've put ^{[citation needed]} tags on these Pokémon. (The exception is for Pokémon voiced by Bill Rogers. On Facebook, he says IMDb is a reliable source for knowing the Pokémon he voiced.) Technickal (talk) 17:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Nah, I'm done with this place.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Preview button

Please edit the whole page at once if you're going to add information to several sections, so the Recent Changes don't get clogged. Thank you. glik^glak 13:49, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

OK. Oneofthosedf (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Hala's Crabrawler

Where did you get the information that Hala owns a Crabrawler from? --Maxim (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found the screenshot. Sorry for bugging you. --Maxim (talk) 19:43, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Editing Learnsets

Be careful if you are going to add Learnset data, as you did at Iron Defense. You are at times adding inaccurate information or leaving messy spacings. I'm checking every page individually regardless and someone else doing some pages ahead of me does save time, but please try to get accurate information if you continue to help out. Thanks! CycloneGU (talk) 00:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

System got 503'd after I published it so I forgot to double check when it went up again. I'm sorry about that but a few mistakes are inevitable (so far I corrected more than I made but accuracy is the most important). Oneofthosedf (talk) 19:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

No worries! We appreciate that you want to help, and it does save time in the long run, I'm just trying to promote accuracy. I make mistakes, too (look how many move pages I have double-edited, or worse), and it's just trying to help you become a better editor. =) CycloneGU (talk) 00:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Forms

I really haven't kept track of whether you've been doing this for anyone besides Giratina, but I don't think we need duplicated rows for different forms. If they learn the move the same, then we should only have one row. That's how the tables on its species page are as well.

So can you undo the Giratina moves you've duplicated? And if you've done it for anything else, can you undo that too? Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:42, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, technically, this is how it is punctual. Forms have been all over the place. I'm just trying to make it uniformal and this way seems the most logical. Origin forme Giratina, Unbound Hoopa, B/W Kyurem didn't exist in the first games yet they were sometimes treated that way. I noticed that Pokemon whose forms have different learnsets are supposed to have different entries and a lot of times it wasn't clear. The form names have been named inaccurately as well, not to mention some mistakes (which is natural and not a problem). I think it's better to have all forms listed since it's not that confusing (going through these pages it seemed to be me a problem).

Look, I'll stop doing it for now but you can't say that these are gratuitous changes. Shaymin, for example, had its two forms separately listed in the TM section, even though the forms had no difference in TM compatibility. So, basically what I'm doing with Giratina is what Shaymin's been like for years.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Some Pokemon have a large number of forms with no practical difference. If you think it's best to list all forms, that means we'll have to duplicate a great many rows for those Pokemon, which will only clutter things up. That's not smart. If forms do not have differences, only the base or a representative form should be included (without a form name, therefore implying that the row represents any form of the species). Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't think all forms should be listed. Never said that. The ones I listed didn't exist in the first games of the generation they were introduced in and the way they were listed made it look like they were. This also should be a non-issue since what I was doing with Giratina is the same exact thing what was done with Shaymin and for years it hasn't been a problem. All these forms have different movesets as their base forms and where else would that be listed if not in the learnsets. I noticed that no form name given means all form of the species but that had mistakes and inconsistencies.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 01:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

You literally said, "I think it's better to have all forms listed since it's not that confusing (going through these pages it seemed to be me a problem).".

As far as Shaymin, I said "forms [that] do not have differences". Shaymin's Sky Forme has very explicit differences, in at least in its level up moves, and in its typing as well. If you want to argue about what's done with Shaymin, we can do that. But Giratina is not the same thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

You know exactly which forms I meant (hint: obviously not the Vivillon or Basculin forms who have no difference in their movesets). Giratina's forms have different tutor moves, just like Shaymin's. Shaymin's TM moves are the same for both forms and they are still listed separately. Most of the Shaymin forms' level up moves are the same and they are still listed in the level up section as separate. I don't want to argue but what about responding to these points instead of grasping at straws with me mentioning "all forms" twice now.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 01:31, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't presume what I know, please. I've been entirely sincere. You were not at all clear enough for me to hardly even guess that you didn't mean *all* forms, for everything (or everything that you thought was within reason, which wouldn't be any sort of objective standard anyway).

The primary problem with comparing Shaymin and Giratina at all is that Shaymin's forms have different typings. As far as I'm concerned, that can (and probably should) be valid reason to list both its forms anywhere.

I have to admit, I saw that Giratina had Move Tutor differences for Gen VI, but that wasn't rightly registering in my brain. I'll acknowledge those differences now, but, I still don't think Giratina's forms should be duplicated other places when there's no differences.

If you see something else that's a closer analogy to Giratina and is handled differently than that, I'll be happy to discuss what should be done overall, but for now, I don't think Giratina should be duplicated unnecessarily. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

May I jump in here? I simply want to point out what I've been doing editing the move pages; generally, if the forms have a different move pool for any particular segment, then include all forms for every move in that segment. For instance, Shaymin and Wormadam have different move pools for their level-up sets (Wormadam is especially interesting because Burmy's final battle environment dictates its final form and move pool). Kyurem also qualifies (though I should note B2/W2 only for all moves on the additional forms). Sticking with the Kyurem example, there are no differences in moves learned via TMs or HMs, so I have determined it's not necessary to list Kyurem in its alternate forms in those tables. Meanwhile, Thundurus is different because its movepool does not changed for leveling up, but for some reason, Therian Forme Thundurus is unable to learn Smart Strike via TM. It could be an error, but we have to mote it, and thus I'd include both its forms on the TM table (which I haven't so far because I forgot that example). Perhaps putting a note saying "All Forms" or something might be better in all examples, and this is something I can revisit later when going over individual Pokémon move pools.

One example that ALWAYS needs to be noted, regardless of differences, is Alola Forms. There are enough unique differences in movepools in all categories - even breeding, in some cases - that it's better to just include it separately in every case. CycloneGU (talk) 03:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I can get behind always separating a Pokemon in a given method if it has at least one difference there. (And Alola Forms all have different types, so like I said above, that's probably good justification for separating them.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:44, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Shaymin doesn't learn any Flying type moves via Tms so it's not like it needed to be separated because of the different typings.

The one form last is Deoxys. Those should always be separated no matter what as they have different movepools just like Wormadam and Hoopa. No different typings but that shouldn't matter.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

The differences between Kyurem's TM moves is that Black and White Kyurem couldn't learn TMs in BW (didn't exist). They also couldn't learn Draco Meteor in BW (didn't exist), and if it's noted on one tutor move page, it should be noted on all.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 12:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, and that is something I'll have to address when I've finished emptying my spreadsheet (speaking of, I have lots of time later this week to try to finish that) as I've been ignoring putting the B2/W2 tag in thus far. What I may do is address Kyurem's full moveset individually now and remove any applicable moves still on my list from that list, completing those now. That way I know it's done and I don't have to address it again. I may eventually repeat this for other forms with move differences so the rest of my sweeps are just general passes. CycloneGU (talk) 15:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Why did you move my response to Tiddlywinks? I want them to see my answer to their point (unless it's done differently here). Anyways, all the forms that are left out from the learnsets are

• Origin Giratina's level up moves (identical but didn't exist in DP)
• Origin Giratina's TM moves (identical but didn't exist in DP)
• Deoxys' TM moves (identical but the forms were introduced in different Gen 3 games, meaning they should have sups)
• +noting that only Incarnate Thundurus can learn Smart Strike

Oneofthosedf (talk) 16:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I did not move those answers, Tiddlywinks himself did. Even so, it's typically preferred here to have responses all in order. I have done replies nested into the conversation as you have before and knew what you were doing, but someone else moved the response to be in order of when it was made.

Regarding the missing forms, Giratina doesn't need top be listed as there are no differences. Deoxys I may have to check more, as I thought the forms all came at once. Thundurus I will check for Smart Strike eventually, but I'm undecided on whether to split all moves up for it; after all, Tornadus and Landorus would then need that treatment, so I might just note it for the one move. CycloneGU (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Evolution moves

Do you have a full list of all the evolution moves? In the learnset dumps I've seen from SM, level 1 moves and evolution moves are conflated, so the only way to tell which ones are evolution moves is when the move is both a level 1 move and an evolution move (in which case both need to be listed) or by testing in-game. --SnorlaxMonster 03:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

My source is another website. I don't know if I can mention it by name but that site has every move double checked and only has one mistake regarding Lombre and Nuzleaf. I don't know how Bulbapedia wants to handle Evolutions Moves but I'm not sure if they are Level 1 moves as well.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 14:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

You should mention it by name, especially if you know that there are mistakes. We do not use information from other websites precisely because they can make errors like the Lombre and Nuzleaf ones you mention, and instead only use information directly from the games. If you're not sure whether moves are just evolution moves or both level 1 moves and evolutions moves, you can check the Bulbagarden Handbook which specifically labels evolution moves (in cases that the move is both a level 1 move and an evolution move). --SnorlaxMonster 14:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I know what they are, I am just not sure if they are learned at Level 1. Pokemon may learn Evolution Moves via move relearner but that doesn't necessarily mean they are Level 1 as well. If all we know, Evolution Moves might be learned by the evolved form at any time, essentially making them Level 1 moves. The ones I added are right, though. There might be some missing, for example Feraligatr and Agility but the ones I added to the learnsets are good.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

In some lists, the move appears twice as "1". Chances are those are both starting moves and evolution moves. In a couple, I've seen a move three times; not sure what that is. CycloneGU (talk) 15:47, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Please answer what the site you used was. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you have an example of an evolution move that is not otherwise a level-up move which can be taught at the Move Relearner? Since you've failed to make a distinction between moves that can be learned at both level 1 and via evolution, and moves that can only be learned by evolution, I'm not sure how you can justify stating that you can relearn the moves because they are evolution moves. --SnorlaxMonster 15:59, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I've done my share with the learnsets, I'll let you guys figure out the rest. SnorlaxMonster, you misunderstood me. I was just speculating on whether the Evolution Move should be listed as a Level 1 move as well, since there is the possibility that Evolution Moves can be taught at the move relearner at any time.

Tiddlywinks, I'd rather not do that but you can make a really wild guess.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 16:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Understand that we do need to know which site you used, because if it happens to be a site such as Serebii, we will need to revert all of your edits about evolution moves and check them again. If you continue to avoid naming it, we'll be forced to assume it is such a site and revert all the changes anyway. As you should know, adding information from such a site is strictly against the rules of Bulbapedia. --SnorlaxMonster 17:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not naming the source. You can revert it if you want but you'd only see yourself adding them back again. You can assume anything but you can't prove it, thus I can't be blamed. I say that you should just revert them all and do it on your own since you won't trust anything that didn't come from the main "testers". I keep randomly checking your handbook and so far every move I clicked had the right Pokemon learning them upon evolving. I'd suggest not removing those.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 17:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to know, is your source for all the learnset data you updated (like here) the same site?

And... One last time: tell us the site. You can either tell us or receive a block. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:38, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I have used multiple sources and the games themselves for the learnsets. Judging by the response SnorlaxMonster gave me, it really doesn't matter what my source is. I don't know what he means by a "site such as Serebii", I assume it means a Pokemon website. I can tell you that it is in fact a Pokemon website. I could also tell you which evolutions moves are already in your handbook and which ones are not, it would take me probably 30 minutes (EDIT: took me even less, I added these that your handbook misses: Eelektross' Crunch, Forretress' Mirror Shot and Nuzleaf's Razor Leaf). You wouldn't believe me, though. So either way, you are going to end up reverting my edits (just to add them back) because it wasn't you who added and found them. I was also expecting at least one thank you for my help and now here I am facing a block.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 13:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Understand that we cannot allow plagiarism of other sites' work. Refusing to credit the source (as you are doing for absolutely no reason) is plagiarism. If you actually disclose which site it is, it's possible to ask the people who run the site for permission. (In the case of Serebii, the site's webmaster has explicitly stated in the past that we cannot use his information.) If it's a site that is happy for other people to use the information, then all we need to do is confirm that.

The reason you're facing a block is not for adding movesets, it's because you're refusing to cooperate with the simplest of requests. If it turns out the information is from a site that does not allow its information to be re-used, it is necessary to check every single move edit you've made, meaning more work for everyone than if you had done nothing at all. --SnorlaxMonster 14:23, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a site that I won't name because I don't want underaged people to visit it (no, not 4chan). The information was crowd-founded then double-checked 98% of the time. I also checked them with every released Pokemon myself meaning that for around 40% of them I can name myself as the source. The thing is that these sites, if correct will have the same information no matter what. Whether that site got some info from Serebii or not I cannot tell. Block me if you want for not giving a source and possibly making 3 mistakes. The information you put there won't be any different (unless you add them as Level 1 moves as well, which currently seems undecided here).

Oneofthosedf (talk) 14:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Look, if you don't want to name the site publicly, then fine, but actually say that in the first place. You can just privately contact me and tell me which site, then let Bulbapedia's staff determine whether or not it's appropriate to share the site's name on here. If you're one of the main contributors, it should be easy enough to get the approval of the owners to re-use the information. --SnorlaxMonster 14:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree with SnorlaxMonster here. If it's a site that underaged people should not visit, I concur we would be best not to name it as we have a lot of such visitors. But we still need to know what the site is. It's correct that most of the information is already duplicated everywhere, but for information that is unique especially, we need explicit permission to use it. CycloneGU (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Begging for answers

That thing on Force Fire's talk page is not exactly desired, and will likely make the talk page owner discard your topic just because of your impatience. --Bfdifan2006! _{Or is he actually Keyacom?} 16:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

What's done is done. I don't get why it's a big deal to ask for help and redirection from a moderator in a matter in which another mod has voiced their broad support. They had time to respond to others on the page, surely telling me where I could officially submit my suggestions doesn't take 6 days, and in the off-chance that they are waiting to write me a long answer (I don't see why that would be necessary), they could inform me of that. I am serious about my suggestions, and I found that in the real world, it's best to not let these things just sit in the corner. And if they discard my message because I want a very simple answer to a very simple question after 6 days had passed, I don't see how I would be at fault. If it was more obvious how to go about this, I wouldn't even bother individual moderators until the suggestions are completely ready to be submitted for approval. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 16:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Slightly off-topic, I'd recommend you to put three closing apostrophes (''') at the end of your signature in the preferences so the formatting does not flood to the further part of the paragraph (in this case, the timestamp), just like this misplaced </code> closing tag does.

Also, I get it why would you beg. I wouldn't call this "begging", but "reminding" so the talk page owner does not forget. I think that's totally fine after all, but if the topic was not touched for 6 months, it's best to start a new one instead. --Bfdifan2006! _{Or is he actually Keyacom?} 17:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to ask you to not use the word "beg". I saw the user being active on the talk page and took a minute from my day to write a reminder. In my view, bureaucrats and moderators have taken on a responsibility, and they should fulfill their roles on the wiki. There was no hostility in it, I would just like an answer, so I could start working on it seriously, because so far, this has been lost time. Time, that could have been spent with work, which seems to be the biggest worry when it comes to this implementation. I understand that they have other things to do, but so do I. I hope they won't seriously take something so small and perfectly reasonable personally, because it has nothing to do with them individually. They are just a part of the process I cannot avoid. I am literally just asking for a link (that should be provided to users already). 6 days already seems like a lot to me for this, and if the appropriate grace period after which I should be resubmitting a question about where to submit things is 6 months, it's best if I don't even bother. Like, these type of things would be unacceptable in any other place, be that a post office or a bank, but even at a smaller wiki (I have plenty of experience with those).

Thanks so much for the help with the signature, I was just trying it out, and didn't like how the date was all bold. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 17:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick Attack + learnlist entry template

Thank you for updating Quick Attack learnlist to include PLA data. I was going to do it, but I am now bothered by the fact the {{gameabbrev8}} template supports the SwShBDSP, SwShLA, SwShBDSPLA and BDSPLA, while the {{sup/8}} template doesn't. I asked Tiddlywinks on the Bulbagarden Discord to do it, but they didn't due to no response, so I asked evkl, and I am waiting.

Also, what about the learnlist entry template I am going to make? I think I will finally make it soon because I have no school in the following week. There will be the "May vacation" (May 1-3), and the Matura exams (May 4-6). --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 20:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Yeah, I tried SwShBDSP too this time, completely forgetting that I already knew it didn't work with that template. Though if the new headers get approved, we won't need them, thankfully. Could you send me a contact/website where we can chat more fluently (Twitter, Instagram, Discord, something like that)? Stuff like this shouldn't be discussed on talk pages. I think I could better articulate my vision if you can respond to me real-time. Next week might be good for me too, not sure yet. I know I should be free during the first half of June. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 21:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

My Discord account is Keyacom[hash]1936. Note that I replaced # with [hash], because indexed pages can let robots get sensitive information by matching regular expressions, just like with e-mails. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 05:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I sent you a friend invite, we'll talk there alter. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Ancient and Future Pokémon

I can't help but notice you've posted something intended for JoaoBaiao's talk page on their userpage--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it was an honest mistake, I thought I was creating their talk page. I didn't try to remove it, because there is no point in that. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 22:41, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Question

What's the point of that "style="font-family:monospace,monospace" you add to so many pages? It adds so much text that I start to think that if it is something necessary, it would've been better if it was a class so you would only need to write "class=n".--Rocket Grunt 14:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Just trying to make all templates follow what we see on The National Dex page. I use the parameters I found in that template, if you know a way it can be shortened, I'm happy to hear it. It's dead simple to replace the text. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I would rather change one page than everything else for such tiny cosmetic detail. Is this staff approved?--Rocket Grunt 15:15, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I am just following the most recently updated template. It's nicer looking so I assume that's the prefered layout. Staff didn't revert any of the changes made to these big pages, so I assume I am in the clear. Your issue is that not all of the list pages use pre-made templates, in those cases I need to add the paramter to all individual lines which can have a largely unnoticeable bloating effect. I asked staff to implement it with all the templates (for the sake of consistency and superior looks), they said they would look into it and asked for specifications, but nothing happened. They either forgot or ghosted. I seldom get an answer from them so I just do what I can do hoping one day they respond. Once again, it's dead simple to replace it with something simpler, if it exists. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:28, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Yea, I have the same problem with the staff. They don't seem to be organized enough to be able to make such decisions. Well, do what you think is best and we will see.--Rocket Grunt 15:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Have you ever tried contacting them on Discord? I might start trying to contact them there, becuase I have a lot of proposals that just need a simple answer. I find talk pages really ineffective and old-fashioned, which must be a reason why most sites don't use them anymore. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 16:17, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I'll try that next time. Thanks. I just think that deciding about bulbapedia without being on bulbapedia is like missing the whole point.--Rocket Grunt 16:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Savanna(h)

You just sent File:Menu HOME 0666-Savanna.png, but for SV you sent File:Menu SV 0666-Savannah.png where the name of the form had additional "h" at the end. Is this a mistake?--Rocket Grunt 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There is no H. I made a mistake in November. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks.--Rocket Grunt 15:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Dragonite's Outrage and move positions

Just so you're aware, the order of moves does make a functional difference. For example, the order the moves are listed in dictates what moves are known by (regular) wild Pokémon. In games with disassemblies at least, IIRC the algorithm to determine that just goes through that list one by one, breaking at the first move that is too high a level; so it implicitly assumes it is listed in level order. Besides that, the order also makes a difference for things like the move reminder.

I cannot currently verify it 100%, but since Dragonite's Outrage is listed later in that list than to be expected (it's safe to assume someone at Game Freak just mistyped the level using the numpad), I would expect SwSh/BDSP Dragonite to abide by it such that, for example, the moves shown by the move reminder would not have Outrage in between Dragon Rush and Safeguard, so not as the page suggests after you moved Outrage around. (I've asked in the Discord if someone is able to check it.) Because of this, I would propose your edit to be reverted.

Regarding these kind of hidden notices, I'd urge you to be careful when basically ignoring them. (To be frank, I'd personally say "I don't understand it" is alarming enough of a signal for you to not ignore it, maybe ask around instead.) Moreover, I acknowledge that this hidden notice in particular did not do a good job at doing what it was obviously intending to do, i.e. explaining why it should not be changed, and encouraging discussion before changing it. (Also in general, I want to point out that hidden notices should be used really sparsely; this being one of the few cases where I think it's reasonable to have.) Nescientist (talk) 12:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

You can revert it, but this should absolutely not be a hidden notice. I'm generally against them as well, but it's not like this one in particular explains anything you just laid out here. At the very least it should be a bullet point under the table. I hope it's clear that having 41 in the place of 71 is not intuitive nor should the Move Reminder order take priority over the actual level-up order. I have seen hidden messages that have been flat out wrong or unneeded, and even in this case, I wouldn't say that putting a move learnt at 41 in the 70's is the right move. So I'd personally keep it in ascending order and have the note visible to everyone. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 14:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah as I said I agree the hidden notice was insufficient.

Anyway, as I said above, I really do think that "the Move Reminder order" (i.e. the order within the actual data) should take priority over the level-up order. This is not the sole reason, but note that otherwise, such information in the table would be lost. (If both orders conflict, the order displayed will necessarily be unintuitive in regards to the order they are not displayed in. You can sort by level, but not by the actual order.)

This is of course up for discussion (and any notice should indicate this), but as you already said you're fine with it, I'd really like to have the actual order restored, if that's okay!? (In case you'd want to implement that change, please feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually.) Nescientist (talk) 15:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd much rather keep the level-up order and have a bullet point under the table as I think all other solutions are insufficient. Not necessarily because of having a preference in the ordering, but because it's valuable information for users that we cannot encapsulate in just listing the level up moves in non-ascending order. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 16:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Link visibility

I get what you mean with your link visibility edits, but at the same time, you're removing the colors they should be associated with and make them look rather bland. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd rather have them be a bit "bland" than unreadable. Colored text on colored background is unaccaptable, bad web design. Did changing the orange "S" on the fire background or the blue "M" on the water background really result in a worse look? I'm gonna say no. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 20:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Is this an approved edit? Something this notable usually requires a permission. - unsigned comment from FinnishPokéFan92 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I've been trying to get this approved for months. You are welcome to try and revise tables you find "bland", just make sure you don't use colored text on colored backgrounds. I'll ping you in the Discord channel. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 21:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)