Archived talk

Pokémon Legends: Arceus Version

Why was this deleted? It was made for people who mistakenly use the wrong link template and complain about the resulting redlink.

I did create the Super Glitch (move) (intentionally typing the full title) redirect again because deleting it caused so many redlinks to suddenly pop up, based on how the learnset template works. Creating Pokémon Scarlet and Violet Versions was a measure to prevent redlinks from the wrong link template. --C.Ezra.M (T/C) 08:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Next time, please ask first.
We don't encourage people linking to bad targets. If a target is linked to, I'll consider it staying, but the "version" title is not linked to.
I do notice that many games have various redirects. I checked one, https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Brilliant_Diamond_and_Shining_Pearl_Versions&redirect=no, and it does have links. I'm sure others don't. Honestly, I think some could definitely be pruned, but it's not worth it for me to try to exhaustively examine all the past games. For now, like I said, a "version" title for Arceus isn't linked to and isn't needed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Scarlet and Violet got the "version" redirect out of practice. As prior to XY, all titles had the version in their names. For LA, it has never been referred to with the "version" in the end. If someone incorrectly uses the version templates (and any of its variations) for Legends, that's kinda their own fault.--ForceFire 11:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Game-exclusive Pokémon/Archive1

I thought I'd let staff know, if they didn't already, that the archived talk page for Game-exclusive Pokémon still needs to be moved to Version-exclusive Pokémon. Thanks! Landfish7 05:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you

In regards to Playerking95's talk page archive, thanks for cleaning up my mess. When trying to help them archive their page, I should have just let the policy page that I linked speak for itself instead of giving an erroneous shortened explanation. I'll be more careful moving forward. Landfish7 03:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

LiamMain50695983

LiamMain50695983 appears to be a spambot. Landfish7 02:47, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Generation superscript

Since you added "changed type" section to type pages, I'd like to ask you if there could be a template with generation number in superscript (Rotom(V+)). Such templates already exist for games (Template:Sup/8 ) and I think it could be useful on many pages, like the ones that mention Pokemon with changed type.--Rocket Grunt 16:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The thing about the game templates is they do a lot more. The names are much longer, and as you get earlier you have to remember to add "version/s" correctly, and each game of a pair is colored separately. But for generations you don't really need any of that. (I also think my recent additions are a bad example to use: if we were gonna have a single standard, that's not the format I'd suggest first. Most places, I'd usually use Gen. #. I only used (#) here because I wanted absolute minimal intrusion among the species names.) Part of the utility of templates is also readability. Sup templates for games definitely help that; but for generations, I don't think replacing any current usage would be incredibly beneficial.
But yeah...generations are super easy to link. If you really need something, there's {{gen}}, for some cases that could be plenty. If you wanna reach for more...well, just telling me abstractly that there are "many pages" doesn't plead much of a case. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
The most prominent use for such template I see would be on pages of abilities. With the example of Drizzle, Pelipper could've just had "DrizzleGen. 7+ instead of writing it outside the table. Second, more important example, is of ability Scrappy for Kangaskhan. It could've just say that it got the ability in generation IV when it was introduced, but instead at the bottom there are five almost identical sentences that readers need to "ignore abilities introduced later" and there will be more each new generation. These pages literally require any reader to check each ability and each Pokemon manually to find out if such combination existed in particular generation.--Rocket Grunt 22:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I feel like sups are mainly a patch for those. I don't think the current format of the Ability pages like Drizzle and Scrappy is great, but I'm not sure immediately what to do, I'd have to give things a good look over again. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Ghost (literal) move proposal

I remember a while back on the Bulbagarden Discord you had expressed some ambivalence towards the recent expansion of the scope of the Ghost (literal) article from being about the ghosts of Pokémon Tower to being about ghosts throughout the Pokémon world. I was curious to hear more about your thoughts on that and how it might pertain to a potential move from Ghost (literal) to Ghosts in the Pokémon world. Perhaps the article could be split into Ghost (Pokémon Tower) and Ghosts in the Pokémon world or something of the sort? I'd love to hear what you think. Thanks! Landfish7 07:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I think for me (at the moment), the Kanto "ghost" is a little weird compared to everything else; the Kanto thing is a specific mechanic, while everything else is kinda abstract. I think it's a little weird on the page "Ghost (literal)", but it maybe sorta feels weirder for a page called "Ghosts in the Pokemon world" (maybe). I personally think a Ghost (Pokemon Tower) page could work fine. But I don't know about anyone else.
The alternative is that that section could just be winnowed down, instead of just letting all its content coast. All gameplay stuff could be shifted to Pokemon Tower, and the section on the ghost (whatever) page could be a little more generic like the rest of its topics. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Template:Event distros

2 minor things I wanted to say, since that template is locked:

1) The List of undistributed event Pokémon page is linked on the template in 2 places now; I'd remove it from the "Special Pokémon from games" section... None of these are from the games anyway considering they were all found on distribution hardware or the Wonder Card server, so it doesnt really fit in anyway.

2) Regarding the List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII) page, reason I suggested to merge it on the Poketimes page name was because all the pokémon come from that twitter channel, and the Pokémon distributed from there are kinda unique in that there not from any template... previous traded pokémon such as the ones in List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI) and before in the very early generations when that was the norm of distribution were loaded from templates on to game carts and traded away to recipients. These are just normally bred/caught pokemon given ingame items with a lot of variance to reach certain characteristics before being traded away... thats kinda why I had a very hard time calling that page an "event page"... Idk what the best solution is but, I made some changes to the heading hope you don't mind. -- 4iamking (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Everything from Gen III is from the games.
Oh. I just thought all trades were like that. (Except early gen ones where that's exactly what "events" were. But at least since more formal "events" were made.) But taking a minute to think about it, I guess it makes sense. In that case, the contrast should be highlighted.
Also, even if Poke Times was involved, they plainly aren't all by Poke Times. There's a whole "V Jump" section. (Even if it were, it's not, like, an inherent thing, it shouldn't really be in the intro.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Updating Menu Sprites

Greetings! I don't know if this has been discussed or not, but we got confirmation [1] that more Pokémon will receive menu sprites in the style of BDSP and SV in the future (unclear if it's all of them or just possibly returning ones from the DLC). You are already in the middle of adding all the zeros, so I think it's best to ask you. Shouldn't the eventually renamed redirects point to the BDSP/SV menu sprites when applicable? Around 60% of the Pokémon now have them, and the moves pages would look a lot better (until we get the Sugimori artworks implemented there). Consistency is is already gone, but we might eventually get it back with this style.

Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't really see what you're talking about. Can you explain more concretely? Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure thing. Here's an example: the "File:004MS.png" redirect currently links to "File:004MS8.png", the menu sprite from SwSh. I'm suggesting that once we get around renaming the redirect to "File:0004MS.png" it should link to "File:Menu SV 0004.png". And so on. If a Pokémon is not in SV, it should link to the BDSP menu sprite. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs)
Minor edit. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
That wasn't on my radar. And I'm not sure it should be much of a priority. I think we're generally using sprites appropriate to their game context, or else art, so I don't think there is (or should be) much use for some uniform "MS" filenames pointing at random games' sprites. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:12, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I just assumed we would continue updating the redirects, but it makes sense, and I agree. The move pages are the only ones that still use them anyways, and they will hopefully get replaced with the Sugimori artworks later this year (if the mods approve my suggestions). Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize. Well, there's so much to clean up still, I'm still inclined to leave it to sort out later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
No problem. If you need help with adding in the extra digits, let me know. I don't know which pages you are prioritizing. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm kinda working from the Archives for the moment and trying to clean up bad filenames. And/or I'm also looking at fixing up MSP/9 calls at the moment. But one real big thing, there's ALL the infoboxes and prev/next on the species pages to update. This sort of thing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
On it. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:44, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

National dex number formatting

Greetings! I started adding the extra digits to the various Pokémon lists and decided to follow the format of the ndex template. Very satisfying to look at, I must say. Since most of the templates are locked, I am requesting to change the following templates (and possibly more), so that the numbering displays all four digits and has the same font as the natdex.

Thanks in advance! Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 04:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

I won't be trying to do those tonight. But if you can specify exactly what changes they each/all need, it'll make things much quicker later. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Sure. Just add this to the first column: style="font-family:monospace,monospace". But I don't exactly know how you make all 4 digits show up. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 05:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

New HOME menu sprites

Greetings! The new HOME update now has the BDSP/SV style artwork for almost every single Pokémon (no G-Max forms, Spiky Pichu, Cosplay Pichu, LGPE mascots, etc.). I have obtained all of them (they are already freely available on the internet) and have them ready for upload. The admins just need to figure out what file name and file description pattern I should follow. These are perfect for the MS redirects, since the Pokémon are resized to fit within 128x128px much better (no empty space), akin to the previous style. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 17:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

message from nonexistent user

Hi. A user named BulbagardenRIP messaged me something, but you deleted their message and blocked them. What was the message about? Laziminoes (talk) 23:08, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

It's not important. Just a vandal copying and pasting the same message to several different talk pages. I wouldn't worry about it. Landfish7 23:11, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations

Just thought I would post and congratulate you on your promotion to Editorial Board member. Congratulations--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 09:24, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


Template: Catch/LA

Hi, Tiddly. A over month ago I've created a "prototype version" of "Catch/Entry" template to locations from Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Though I took a Catch/entry8 as base, it took a bit time to create it. I don't know it could work, especially when Pokemon locations are a bit complex, if you note a odds in weather, time-space distortions, odds for Alpha specimen, etc. So... if you could got a free time, could you look onto these templates and check they fulfill a requirements to be officially moved on main space? Of course, if they don't fulfill requirements, you may redirect them to yourself and modify them... or take a page from PokeWiki.de and use "Interactive Map Location" template to Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet locations. Choice is, of course, yours. I ask you, because I think you're a much better in that cases ^^". Initially I asked Chosen to check this, but a month passed and I've got no answer, so I've decided pass this offer to you, pal. --Modikisha (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks well done. I'd really like to see it mocked up for one of the location pages (maybe a subarea if you want), and I think you could do it about as well as I could at the moment. Could you try doing it for Obsidian Fieldlands? Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
This is more like to sub-areas. I currently check template's stability on Nature's Pantry. There's how I used:

but... results are far from expected. That's why I asked you to check and make some correction. Just like I said, I used Catch Template from Sword/Shield, but I'm not such experiented templator. If you'll get some free time, you may redirect my 3 templates "Header, entry, and footer" on your own and check on them. I've created more like a "skeleton" version for them, you may finish it... ultimately, we may follow Pokewiki.de example and on "open overworld" locations like Hisui and Paldea use "Interactive Map Location" template. I know this is long shot... but better something than nothing. Choice is yours, pal. --Modikisha (talk) 13:09, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It seems to work well enough. From just a picture, I can't really guess what you're doing wrong. If you copy what's below, it shows up as a perfectly good table.
{{User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/headerLA}}
{{User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/entryLA|155|Cyndaquil|5|All|rain=5%}}
{{User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/entryLA}}
{{User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/entryLA}}
{{User:Modikisha/Sandbox/Template:Catch/entryLA}}
|}
I'm asking you to work at it because I'm working on other things too. So if there's someone who's actively interested, it's better if you can do some footwork too rather than everything bottlenecking on the time of one person. If you're leaving it all for when I'm ready, I've got a few things on my plate that this'll be behind. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

New HOME menu sprites 2

Hi again! I'm struggling to get an answer from the staff, so I'll try you again. The BDSP/SV style artwork for almost every single Pokémon (no G-Max forms, Spiky Pichu, Cosplay Pichu, LGPE mascots, etc.) are available on the home website icon0001_f00_s0.png. I have them all ready for upload. Has this been discussed yet? What the file names should be, etc. These are perfect for the MS redirects, since the Pokémon are resized to fit within 128x128px much better (no empty space), akin to the previous style. We can finally have them be consistent instead of having 3 different sizes and styles. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:24, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. We heard about it before, but it turned out we never figured out what to do with them. We've decided to go with Menu Home #### for the filenames. Feel free to upload them. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Trainer models

TrainerSplash is adding incompleteness templates because some pages are missing Trainer models that don't seem different enough from the models we have to be considered notable. What do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather judge it when I can explicitly see every model in question. If there's a page that's "complete", let me know. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Reformatting post-Dexit event pages

I asked Chosen but he referred me over to you as the new Head of Games, and I wanted to ask because this is something that Ive wanted to do for a while but never got any feedback over. But anyway, over a year ago, I made a proposal on the Gen 8 event distribution talk page to reformat the Nintendo Switch event pages. Instead of continuing to list events by distribution matter, given the state of the current main series games, I think its more beneficial to list Nintendo Switch event pages based on the game the event was distributed to.

Basically I see 2 standout benefits for doing this:

  • 1 - It would make it simpler and more manageable to read when seeing what events you can obtain on a game specifically, in an era where a lot of Event Pokémon aren't compatible with other games of the same generation, and the event distributions themselves needing different templates due to game specific mechanics and coding quirks, it makes it easier to separate this information. (this wasn't a thing before LGPE, Gen-7 and before all events of the same generation shared a template format which allowed for the same coded Pokémon to be distributed in ORAS as in XY for example).
  • 2 - Distribution methods are basically reduced to being 90% serial code and password based these days, and the other distribution methods are all basically the same in terms of their execution, so that leaves us with 1 very long page and a few other lists that barely have a handful of events on them. Just combining all the SwSh events on 1 list still makes a slightly smaller list than the current page with all gen 8 serial code events, but above all the lists would be more relevant to readers who just want to see just what was available in their game specifically.

Since it is a bit of a change to do this, I think it would be better to seek approval first, before unilaterally implementing such a reshuffle but nobody has commented on the talk page either so can you maybe see? I put pages on my user space (See: SwSh / BDSP / LA) just to simulate what the gen 8 lists would look like, though I think we should really be doing this for gen 9 as well, and move the LGPE list for name consistancy if it gets approved.

Haven't been very successful thus far in getting any sort of response from anyone really on the wiki so I was wondering what you think...

Thanks!-- 4iamking (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

That is a complicated issue. I'll need to mull it over for a while to figure out how I really feel about all those recent events. (Feel free to leave a message again if it's been a few days.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Heya, just a quick followup to see if you have any further thoughts that you'd like to share to this proposal yet? :)-- 4iamking (talk) 19:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
To put my understanding in my own words: since Gen 8, events for a given game (pair) cannot be claimed by any other games. So event pages should be by game instead of by method.
That seems fair to me. And all that'd be in Template:Event distros for Gen 8+ would be the games?
For a quick note, somewhere in the first paragraph of these by-game pages (like User:4iamking/List of event Pokémon distributions (Sword and Shield), I'd like to see a note highlighting that [SwSh/whatever] events cannot be claimed by other games or are strictly separate or whatever. Just because it's different than how events have worked.
Also, this will require changing how a lot of events are linked. That's not super simple. I don't know if I really wanna orphan existing event links by removing any of the by-method pages right away. I kinda feel like we should mainspace your userspace pages...and probably update the template, kinda orphaning the by-method pages. Then you work on changing links, and finally when they're all done, then I'll dispose of the by-method pages (maybe merge them into a by-game page just for the histories). Does this sound good? Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Well yeah its 2 things really though, I think its important to split the pages by game just given compatibility issues between games on switch but the idea behind merging the lists is more that I think its nice to have everything on the same page and not too many lists, especially since right now its extremely rare for an event not to be distributed by serial code and most switch games cant receive an event anyway in an offline manner anymore anyway, so any other lists just tend to list no more than a handful of events that makes navigating that handful of events on a separate page just more cumbersome. We can discuss if we want to section the pages off by distribution type as Boblers suggested but I personally like just keeping everything chronological especially as its pretty clearly mentioned in the event table how they are distributed but I think thats a less important detail right now.
But that sounds good then, sounds good to me, though fixing links is just a matter of cleaning Special:WhatLinksHere, most of the links are on the Pokémon pages that I can quickly update. I shall get on that right away :) -- 4iamking (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Great. Lemme know when the old pages can be disposed of. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Alright, I think I got everything, most of the rest on the list is just clutter being linked by Template:Event distros, if that template can get updated, then I can just check 1 final time to make sure nothings been missed :) -- 4iamking (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Checked em all now, everything missed is taken care of, so the old pages should be all clear to be made redundant and have the edit summaries merged. -- 4iamking (talk) 01:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
I think I did everything up right. Lemme know if anything else needs done. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:32, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
think you got it all, I undid your redirecting of List of traded event Pokémon distributions (Generation VIII) since that page is not merged, I really dont even like to call those Pokémon "event" pokémon at all considering that they dont come from event templates and are completely their own thing, but thats why they should be a seperate page. -- 4iamking (talk) 01:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
if anything maybe that page should be added next to the "game-based" distributions in the event distros template.-- 4iamking (talk) 01:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

What happened to Force Fire?

Why has Force Fire blocked themselves and stopped everyone from editing their talk page? They were one of the most prolific contributors, something bad hasn't happened?Huntress (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't really have any more information than anyone else. We're fairly confident it wasn't a hack or something, but beyond that... Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

About References

Hello! Hope you're well. I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with your statement regarding my latest edits on the list of references in the Pokémon games. I understand the whole point regarding the Alice in the Wonderland thing (despite still thinking that could merely be just a coincidence), but can't say the same about the other one. I can nowhere see anything that proves a concrete reference to it. I guess one could only mark such piece as a reference if there was some sort of research around the globe to verify if the great majority of people really do tend to attribute that to the specified movie.

Anyhow, I hope I could make myself clear regarding the subject. May you have any particular information that I'm unaware of, please, inform me.

Thank you. Gust4vo (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a notice at the top page saying how the page is fan speculation. Now, there can be lines of what's "too flimsy" and all. But something like a "gangster" saying a famous mob movie line is reasonable enough. If it's generally reasonable, then people who read the page can just make up their own minds about whether they think it's really "meant" as a reference. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Fashion Item models SM

Hi, I've been working on the Trainer customization pages, when I came across your subpage Fashion. How did you obtain the models for all the clothing items? Also, can I use those models on the mainspace page Fashion item ? Is there any way to get the models/sprites/images for the other generations? → PikaTepig999 02:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

They're not my images or anything once they're uploaded. The simplest option is probably to just more or less copy to the mainspace page. I expect it's fine, but just to double-check, since you're familiar with the topic currently: is there anything amiss with the tables on User:Tiddlywinks/Fashion before I mainspace stuff? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, the mainspace page currently has info about USUM, which the userpage lacks. So I don't think that directly replacing the tables will work. I can manually check it all and add the images. However, is there a way to merge page histories, so that the edit histories can be preserved?
Also, is there any way to get similar images from other games to complete all the clothing pages? → PikaTepig999 08:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
So, editing the page is gonna be more complex that I thought. Your subpage uses some custom templates to display the images, which would need to be mainspaced. Additionally, you wil just need to add on the USUM extra clothes rows from the mainspace article to your userspace article, then you can directly copy paste the tables (only tables, rest of the article has extra prose too).
Other option is just to make slightly adjust them using the existing top, row and footer templates that are used on the mainspace page right now. Here is a mockup of how I think it will work better:
{{Fashion/header|scheme=moon|slot=Top}}
{{Fashion/s|Casual Striped Tee|カジュアルボーダーTシャツ ''Casual Striped T-Shirt''|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Black m.png|100px]]<br>Black|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Red m.png|100px]]<br>Red<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Yellow m.png|100px]]<br>Yellow<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Orange m.png|100px]]<br>Orange<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Pink m.png|100px]]<br>Pink<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Beige m.png|100px]]<br>Beige|[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Green m.png|100px]]<br>Green<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Blue m.png|100px]]<br>Blue<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Navy Blue m.png|100px]]<br>Navy Blue<sup>†</sup><br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Purple m.png|100px]]<br>Purple<br>[[File:SM Casual Striped Tee Gray m.png|100px]]<br>Gray|980|Hau'oli City}}
{{Fashion/footer}}
This is the simplest workaround with the existing templates, no need to mainspace any new ones. The only change to existing templates would be a text-align:center style in the header, so that the text in the columns would be properly displayed in the center.
However, in my opinion, the extra column for Japanese name is not necessary, it can be merged shown in the english name column with a <br>. But this would break the templates, which is not just used on the fashion item page but also the individual location pages. Let me know how to proceed. → PikaTepig999 11:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Done. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for you help. → PikaTepig999 14:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Stadium 2 Mystery Gift

Hello. I answered your question in my User talk page. Have a nice day. RainingChain (talk) 12:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

List of Pokémon Adventures volumes note

Thanks for your help in improving that page, but one thing I want to let you know about is that the eISBN codes which I submitted comes for VIZ's official website from the digital versions of those volumes' pages which become available on the day of release for that volume. Wanted to let you know if I forget to add the eISBN code for both that list and the individual volume page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Production Terminology page

Heya, I'm leaving this message here because I'm reverting your recent edit to the Appendix:Glossary (Production) page, as well as pinging you in the Discord. Not only were the majority of your edits incorrect, including removing information and outright incorrect terminology that leaves a great deal of inconsistency and misinformation, but your edit message was flat-out insulting and in poor taste. You said:

"This is an English site, we should use accurate English terms, not lazy Japanese terms. I'm honestly not sure if Japanese storyboard production is radically different from English and should really be highlighted like that (en wikipedia doesn't mention it), but I'll try to look at the jp wikipedia more closely later. Also, some image repository's tagged images aren't 'references'"

As somebody that was requested by Bulbapedia staff to create this page in order to help train users as part of a bigger proposal, using the phrase lazy Japanese terms in your edit message is incredibly rude. "Some image repository's tagged images" referring to SakugaBooru? As mentioned in the references that you deleted, it is a consistently cited source used by Japanese animation staff when working on series, with many having accounts where they upload their own work. You also maintained the SakugaBlog glossary reference, which uses the tags in the same context, from the same site. You also kept some of the Booru refs too? We can't upload videos to Bulbapedia, so having a frame of reference as to what this sort of thing is supposed to look like is the next best thing, and gives readers a wider view of the subject if they want to learn more. Additionally, not only is that edit message phrased really questionably, (what makes them "lazy Japanese terms???") but these terms originated in Japanese, and don't have an English equivalent that means the exact same thing. Going down your list of changes from top to bottom:

  • I'm fine with the replacement of the term BANK with Bank animation (or even the "Bank System") but do not remove the usage of the term BANK. Not only does the new JP Wikipedia article you linked use it, but the several references that you deleted were from staff on the series, (Iwane, Takagi, Kawagoe, some of who I personally talk about these terms with on a regular basis) using the term bank or BANK. This is a removal of information that was not needed, you could have just kept both.


  • Do not equate the term "limited animation" with "BANK." The page you yourself linked to (yet again, Wikipedia, which I was chastised for referencing myself before) explicitly states that, in relation to Japanese television, that anime, and I quote: "features scenes of mouth moving with occasional eye blinks, rendered long shots of detailed backgrounds, a low frame rate (especially in earlier productions) and rare use of 2D fluidity on motion-blur filled action alongside reused drawings, using style conventions from Japanese comic books (manga)." None of this except for "reused drawings" even relates to BANK, and none of this means that BANK = limited animation. Animation re-use does not have to be inherently limited, the exact example in the article that I wrote mentions Z-Moves as an instance of BANK that is done solely because of how complex it appears. It's far from being inherently limited, to the degree where it's part of a standard industry trope, typically related to henshin/magical girl transformations etc.


  • Do not equate the term "genga" with "key frame". "Genga" is not a 'lazy Japanese term', it's the 1:1 translation of "original pictures" that does not function even remotely similar to "key frames" in other territories. An entire part of that section, as well as the section on Settei is dedicated to what the the individual lines and color fills mean in relation to Genga/Settei. These lines and color fills do not mean the same thing in, say, Western animation, where they're almost always different, or not used at all.
    • Additionally, your change equates "key frame" with 原画, which, as still mentioned in the article, means "original pictures". Your change, even if it was true, led to a complete mistranslation. Please do not do this in the future.
      • Furthermore, do not change entire categories of images based on these assumptions.


  • Do not equate "Sakuga" as a term used as slang, as one used "among English fan communities." The slang term for Sakuga, referring to exceptional cuts of animation, is also used in the JP industry, though not as prominently, as it was derived from the crossover between English and JP.


  • Do not equate the term "model sheet" with "Settei." "Settei" is not a 'lazy Japanese term', it's the 1:1 translation of "setting materials", which, as stated in the article, is a catch-all term for not only model rotations of characters or objects, (which can be referred to as a "model sheet") but also expression sheets, and setting material of locations. Model sheets are a type of setting material. If you want to change the commonly used phrase of "Settei" to "setting materials" then feel free, but anything else is largely inaccurate and unclear. Additionally, settei utilizes those specific color lines/fills as described on the page, whereas not all model sheets do.
    • Additionally, your change equates "model sheet" with 設定, which, as still mentioned in the article, means "setting materials". Your change, even if it was true, led to a complete mistranslation. Please do not do this in the future.


Again, all of these changes wouldn't be nearly as bad if I wasn't at least consulted or asked about them first, and I especially wouldn't be as frustrated if I personally wasn't asked to work on this page by staff to train other users, (keeping in mind that I am just a regular user that does this in his free time and has no experience in training wikia users??) to then have other staff make sweeping changes that are incorrect, using the phrase "lazy Japanese terms" when you yourself are removing my own references and replacing them with incorrect ones to Wikipedia pages. Again, feel free to change or debate anything else that I haven't mentioned after my reversion, but this is seriously such a demeaning and outright appalling way to handle something, particularly coming from editorial staff.

--Lewtwo (talk) 17:21, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hoo boy. Yup, I can tell you're downright mad. The overall impression I get from your message here is that you're taking this way too personally. I acknowledge offense with the edit summary and I apologize for not fully editing myself. But the rest is how wikis work. Your work will be edited by others. You shouldn't be so angry over someone trying to improve a page that they thought needed improvement.
I'm going to take this in stages. I'm gonna leave things here for today and hope that the break will help us get past some of the anger before I touch on some of your other questions tomorrow. See ya then. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
I dunno why you would actively acknowledge that what you did was offensive, and then immediately tell me to "not be so angry" like if you're gonna provoke somebody, obviously I'm going to be frustrated? I also have no idea why you would outwardly be condescending whilst not addressing any of the points that I actually brought up relating to the page, it doesn't get anyone anywhere when my objective is to make the site a bigger/better/more accurate place. I'm not frustrated because somebody edited a page I worked on, I'm frustrated because you were (and continue) to be mega insulting about it when it was a page that I was asked to do, by staff, and you got so much wrong? like alright man - unsigned comment from Lewtwo (talkcontribs)
It seems I suck at apologizing, so I guess I'll move directly to the points you want to discuss.
Regarding the bank system... I'm a little surprised I have to spell this out, but just because an English word is used in a foreign language, that doesn't mean you can turn around in a translation and use that same word in English exactly the same. (For a quick example, in まず漫画家と編集者が打ち合わせをしてからネームを描き、それを修正しつつ進めてから最後に原稿を描くことが多い[2], using "name" in the English version would be ridiculous.) At the point that a language is adopting a foreign word like bank, that word stops being "English" and instead changes to suit the needs of its new speakers. The needs of Japanese speakers are far different than the needs of English speakers; they don't inflect the word in any way that English would, saying that English should adopt the word back exactly how Japanese uses it and any derivation is evil is simply foolish. Let Japanese use the word how it will; in turn, English will use it as English will, not at the whims of prior Japanese usage.
Telling me that there are a bunch of Japanese texts like BANKは以前作られた素材を流用して新しいカットを作る事です[3] that use BANK/バンク is utterly unpersuasive. If you want to know what these terms should be in English, you ask an English person who is actively using the system (or an equivalent) in an English setting (i.e., production). I readily admit I lack/cannot find such a source, but you clearly have not provided one either. Of course, that lack does not mean we must therefore be slaves to Japanese use of English words. Something like "BANK in AG121" is plainly ungrammatical and not fit for an English site. Even "BANK animation" is, especially when you're defining it as a saved animation; in natural English conversation, you wouldn't refer to that as "bank (animation)", you'd say it was "banked". (And that's further ignoring the folly of using all caps.)
Regarding limited animation, I may have mistaken what the PDF I linked[4] said a bit. Instead of saying it is a technique of limited animation, it may have been better to say it derives from limited animation. Frankly, a version of the bank system could certainly fit very well in the umbrella of "limited animation", because they're fundamentally very similar: they're simply "economic" measures, where instead of drawing a thing new every time, you reuse what you already did. If the only difference is whether you can save something simple (limited animation) or complex (banked animation), then I think it is fair to link the two, perhaps saying that the latter is a derivation or evolution. And I think that link is especially useful if we don't know of a modern direct equivalent to the bank system in English production. (If there is a proper English term, I'm all for using that, and then we can probably skip limited animation.)
Regarding key frames, if you're saying that 原画 refers to drawings from key animation (to be clear, you are: Genga, (Japanese: 原画 lit. "original pictures") is a term used to describe the Key Animation drawings used in 2D animation), those drawings are key frames. While few sites seem to link "key animation" and "key frames" (I think because they are pretty interchangeable so they probably mostly use one or the other), a pretty telling example is https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/原画#アニメーション. Furthermore, I think we can agree that key animation is done by key animators, and I can find plenty of sites (such as [5]) that describe a key animator's work as drawing key frames. You protest that 原画 isn't "even remotely" similar, but the only difference you've cited here is colors. This is a terrible argument. That argument suggests that any time someone decides to use different colors, we have to call it something different. No, holding 原画 as special because of its colors is pointless; it's just the specifics of the Japanese tradition of key frames. We can easily call them key frames, and specify that Japanese productions use specific colors. That's not at all a crazy or evil thing. (If there is more that is indeed "not remotely" similar to key frames, I shall be surprised, but that ball is in your court.)
It does appear I made a small mistake with sakuga. Can you show me instances of the slang use in Japanese? I find it a little hard to imagine. Which may just be my own failure, but I'd love to understand the nuance for myself too.
I also made some mistake with "model sheets". I could've sworn a site I saw said model sheets included locations. But at any rate, there seem to be other solutions. We can define the section as setting materials, but using that word (or settei) throughout the site is more confusing than necessary. Your sakugabooru tag guidelines delineate a few types of settei: so we do that, and if something is a model sheet, we call it a model sheet, or concept art, or whatever is appropriate for the actual item. They don't all need to be lumped into one word; sakugabooru explicitly says settei includes those things; we don't need to call them all one thing, calling them by specific names should be good in most cases. I will say, if you would really prefer, then having a category for "setting materials" on the archives to gather all those subsets of items would be fine. But that's probably the only place (besides the appendix) that it would need to be used...well, I guess if you're talking overall about production, referring to "setting materials" would be fine (I think it'd help to define an example or two, but I guess at that point linking to the appendix arguably suffices as well). But no single image should generically be described as a settei or setting materials: it should be given a specific and accurate English name.
(I don't have a clue what your complaints about mistranslations regarding 原画/original pictures or 設定/setting materials are about. Let's do be clear: I have a pretty good grasp of Japanese. It's your complaints that are confusing to me. My edit included the exact same texts you had, (Japanese: '''原画''' lit. ''"original pictures"'') and (Japanese: '''設定''' lit. ''"setting materials"''), I did not change them.)


The thrust of all of these points is the same: Japanese words should not be used when there are English words that equally describe the thing. It may be a "Japanese [whatsit]", where Japan does something a little different, but that Japanese twist does not mean that the Japanese word is the only appropriate term. As an English site, we aim to be understood by English speakers. Certainly, some people may not be any more familiar with English animation terms than Japanese ones. But on the one hand, there are people who are familiar with animation terms and obscuring what should be familiar concepts with new words is a bad idea. And on the other hand, even if someone doesn't know an animation term, the fact that it is English makes it immediately easier for them to grasp and remember than a foreign word. We are an English site. Unless there is a strong reason, we should prefer English terms as much as possible.
It is worth noting that of all the words you're contesting here, sakuga is the most unique, but I don't think that really means it can't/shouldn't be replaced if it's used anywhere on our site. You'd have to convince me that there is an actually compelling reason to use that term as opposed to describing it in another way. (I'm not saying I care overall about its place in the appendix. I care about any uses outside that page.)


As a final aside: a page of tagged images on any repository simply does not constitute a "reference". A reference should eludicate a thing...in words. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC
I personally think Tiddly is making very good points, and the version of the page that was reverted looked like an improvement to me. No need to take this personally, Lew. This is not an attack against you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Spin Off Series Template TCG Modification

Can I have permission to modify Template:Spin-off series to move TCG Online and Live to a new banner? They're both clients for the TCG, and Live is officially Online's successor, to the point cards can be transferred from Online to Live. I made a post on the talk page 2 months ago, but I don't think anyone noticed. While I suggested grouping Card Game Online with Online and Live too, I'd rather not if it means the two games that are a set can be removed from the misc row faster. I figured you'd be the one to ask as you are Head of Games on the Editorial Board, this is a game organization problem, and I vaguely remember that large sweeping edits should be cleared with staff. (Templates presumably qualify by default.) Salmancer (talk) 14:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding my userpage

I created this account way back in 2009. I am unable to edit my username to remove some information that I would really like to no longer be on there anymore. Could you make it so I can edit my userpage again?

In addition, would it be at all possible to just delete the revisions so that information is completely gone? Thanks. PorygonA (talk) 07:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm unclear on what you want.
If you want to change your name from PorygonA, it is possible for us to do that for you.
If you just want to edit content on your userpage, that should be possible for you to do on your own. Are you sure you're unable to edit your userpage? I don't see any reason you should be unable to. (It is also possible to delete revisions; if you have removed any information you don't want, we can hide past revisions, or if you still need to remove content, let us know when you've done so.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm in contact with another admin in regards to username change, so no worries in regards to that. But when it comes to my userpage, here's a screenshot of what I see on my end PorygonA (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
My guess is that maybe you created your userpage before we had userspace restrictions, so now that they're in place, you have not edited enough to have userspace rights. I'm not certain if that can be manually changed. It would be easy for us to just blank or delete your page or something if you'd like. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)