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Welcoming users

Only welcome users when they've made at least one edit, don't just welcome every new user that signs up, as they may be spambot or won't be active users (as in they just sign up and not do anything).--ForceFire 07:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I will be aware of this. --Bfdifan2006 10:03, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


As I noted on the template talk page, your edits to Photography and Cameron broke the sorting, would you mind fixing them up? --Spriteit (talk) 00:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I will do that by restoring to version where sorting was not broken. However, I will do it later, as I have assignments today. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 06:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


Could also be used for Techno Blast, if the template swaps Rock for Electric, and maybe other moves with more than one animation, like Secret Power? Eridanus (talk) 11:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the idea. However, I've already have done 2 User: namespace edits today. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 11:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


There's no reason for us to have redirects with different capitalizations. Searching is not case sensitive, and unnecessary redirects would only promote bad links. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I did it to remove redlinks because links are case-sensitive, except the first letter. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 18:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Bad capitalizations should still not be redirects. A red link should kind of tell you that you've screwed up the capitalization or something; creating the redirect is not the right answer. If pages have red links for bad capitalizations, they should be fixed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
This page should only list protected pages that link to Mew Glitch. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 15:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcoming users

I've been on Bulbapedia for a long time, so it was rather impolite to post a welcoming box on my Usertalk page. I insist you delete it as soon as possible. Mootagen (talk) 11:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

A rule is that the {{welcome}} is placed not right after registration, but after the user makes their first edit on this site. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 11:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
I've already made 6 edits and the first one in January! Mootagen (talk) 12:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't mean that you immediately get one right after your first edit! Bots don't do this on this site! --Bfdifan2006something to say? 12:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Dear Bfdifan, I just want to make that welcoming box disappear. I don't need it. What's the problem? Mootagen (talk) 12:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
It's a welcome template, it shouldn't at all be intimidating or anything. Trust me, it won't kill you. (If you're strong enough!) Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The problem is, it feels like Bfdifan2006 became my tutor after he had placed that box, but he is not. I'm not against welcoming box in general, but it is signed. So my request is to remove it from my Userpage, and that's all. Mootagen (talk) 12:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Mootagen, the welcome template is not at all a big deal, virtually nobody cares who signed it. Plus, everybody that's actively editing is supposed to get one on their talk page, so if not Bfdifan, someone else would have put it there. Suic (talk) 13:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it is our policy for active editors to have it. So it'll be there, and it'll be signed, that being its nature. Just try not to think of it like a tutor or whatever. It's literally just like a welcome committee member saying, "Hi, welcome, and I'm yournamehere." Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --ForceFire 09:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

I know there exists a button like this, I will keep this in mind. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 09:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Not Needed Trivia

At the page Focus Blast, it's not needed to tell that Throat Chop is from the same Machoke card. Take example Aquapolis Houndoom. It has both Burn Up and SmokeScreen. But it does not mention about the moves. MageMagius (talk) 12:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Well, if you say so... Your explanation is actually pretty good. That bit on the Throat Chop page does not need to be removed. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 12:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Old userspace pages

If you have any old userspace pages that you want under your new account, just let an admin know and we can move them, rather than duplicating the content. --SnorlaxMonster 10:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay. I will keep this in mind. By the way, this means you can delete User:Keyacom/fileexist because I made the exact same template here. Didn't know I could ask you to move before. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 10:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Gen V Breeding Learnset

Hi, regarding your changes to the move "Secret Power" of the Gen V Learnset of Psyduck and other Pokémon, wouldn't the old one with the double dagger be better than just showing Smeargle since Smeargle can just learn any move with "Sketch" and be a substitute for all other moves as well? Insights (talk) 00:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

When Akurochan was adding BDSP breeding learnsets, I was replacing parents for moves marked as "Grand Underground-exclusive" for Pokémon in the Field Egg Group by Smeargle. I assumed the following priority of Egg Move learning methods:
  1. Direct breeding (the parent can learn the move by leveling up)
  2. Chain breeding (the parent can only learn the move by breeding)
  3. Requires Smeargle (Field Egg Group only, if no other parents in it)
  4. Grand Underground only
  5. Transfer from a previous generation
  6. Unobtainable
I think that using Smeargle as a substitute for the double dagger (‡) is better, as it's easier for Smeargle to Sketch a move than having to transfer a Pokémon from a previous generation. Especially with BDSP, which still did not receive Pokémon HOME support when I was doing this. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 07:58, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
That makes sense. In that case, Girafarig which is in the Field Egg Group can have Smeargle replacing the double dagger (‡) for the Gen V breeding learnset right? I am not confident in making the edit as I am not familiar with this topic. Insights (talk) 13:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I will do this, as I clearly forgot. Also, I will do that for Skill Swap and probably some other moves on many Pokémon. However, if it's a move that was a Move Tutor in the later game, I will just list all Pokémon that can learn it by Move Tutor in that game. I know it will take a long time, but these pages got little to no attention when the second game (or pair of games) releases. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 13:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
That's great, thank you! Insights (talk) 13:37, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Butting into conversations

This was not necessary. I had already explained to Finnish why the redirect isn't needed, and did it in a few words. There was no need for you to over-explain.--ForceFire 05:32, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I over-explained because you actually say a lot of times that searches are case-sensitive, while they are actually not. If they were case-sensitive, then we would need 12 pages to just be a redirect to the correct capitalization for every article. That's why searching is not case-sensitive. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 07:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
What... are you talking about? Type "ash ketchum" or "Ash ketchum" in the search bar and you will still be taken to "Ash Ketchum".--ForceFire 08:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I'm talking about that. Sorry for being too off-topic though. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 09:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

This is exactly what I meant by butting into conversations. There's no need to respond to every user that asks for a name change, and you repeating your events makes it sound like you are making it about yourself.--ForceFire 07:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I did it because the FAQ and username policy were not yet updated to reflect that renaming users is currently not allowed for technical reasons. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 07:46, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
And you are right, I shouldn't have yet again told about what happened to me. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 07:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

You are continuing to insert yourself into conversations when your commentary is not needed. If an admin is already looking into an issue, there is no need for you to jump into the conversation, you are not a member of staff and Force Fire has already talked to you about this twice. Continuing to insert yourself into conversations on user talk pages when admins are already trying to work with the user to reach a conclusion may result in temporarily being blocked, if an admin asks you to stop doing something, then please stop. Thank you. Frozen Fennec 14:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Force Fire would have told me it could have been a basic, but vital part of the wiki etiquette. The last time I did, on Boscopham0604's talk page, was because they continued to insert unverified Vietnamese move names despite ArcToraphim's message. I will stay away from doing that, as I feel this could leave me with a temporary block as well. And I certainly want to avoid that. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 14:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
You mean Chao, not me. Regardless, if staff has stepped in, that's enough. If they aren't responding to staff, then it's unlikely they'll respond to a regular user. And for the future, you're perfectly aware non-native English speakers come here. You shouldn't accuse others of just using google translate when it's probable they speak the language they're adding for; it's inconsiderate. Kai * the Arc Toraph 15:21, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for calling you (ArcToraphim) over here, I just confused users. Additionally, while Boscopham0604 kept adding unconfirmed Vietnamese names after Chao's message, they did stop adding the names shortly after I butted in. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 16:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Not "additionally". That's entirely the wrong lesson to take away. If staff is handling it, you don't jump in and order users what to do like you're staff too. You are not staff. That is not your prerogative.
At most, if someone does seem to be ignoring (or didn't notice) a staff member's message (fairly "egregiously"; like numerous edits), it would be okay to post a very simple reminder like "Hey, IDK if you missed the message above, but you're still doing it without responding here." But if they don't notice/listen after that, it's up to staff to take any steps after that. You don't have authority like a staff member, you need to be very careful about telling users what they can and can't do like you're on staff. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:24, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
I am more than happy someone told me what to do, not what to not do. It feels a lot more appropriate that way because it sounds like advice, not criticism. Regardless, I will be sure to not over-explain and not pose as "fake" staff with that reminder. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 15:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Editing user pages

Don't edit other users' pages without permission. You recently edited a few people's pages, and I don't know if you've gotten any kind of permission from any of them, but I don't see where it'd be. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:16, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I mostly fix errors, such as the page having duplicate arguments in template calls (e.g. {{foo|bar=1|bar=2}} or {{foo|bar|1=baz}}), removing redlinks (such as back then with Mew Glitch redlinks or recently at TehPerson's page), broken image links (such as at User:DHP613), and some more specific cases (except for sandbox pages):
You can see those in-depth here. Unfortunately, there is no option to filter edits to others' userspaces from those in my userspace. I realize the edit to evkl's welcome template was not welcome after all. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 20:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
I will repeat:
Don't edit other users' pages without permission.
There...are exceptions, but if you think the things you mentioned were okay, then I'm not sure you're truly ready to follow them responsibly. But if you'd like to know, I suggest you read the userspace policy. In the meantime, there's a simple rule to follow: don't edit other users' user pages. Honestly, even any valid reason to do so is still pretty trivial. There are much more productive things to do. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
You did it again. And a couple others. I was very explicit. But I'm giving you one more chance. Do not edit users' user pages again. You will be blocked. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:47, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
This particular edit to the sign template was because if I didn't do it, the roundiness of the border of the FRLG message box wouldn't apply. Take a look at User:Tiddlywinks/Sign before and after the edit. I think the roundiness was the expected result, but because the value was 18x instead of 18px, it had no effect.
Also, why is the first block for such offenses (with the current blocking policy) sitewide? (I do know evkl is working on a new version.) A person who had trouble with the userspace should, in my opinion, first be blocked from just editing the User namespace, so they should understand they should help Bulbapedia with the mainspace. Sitewide blocks first are too much in my opinion. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 12:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Because it has become more you not listening to staff when told to stop. You still should not be editing other user's userpages without their permission, and you should stop when told to.--ForceFire 12:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
I'll give you a bit of a freebie: I'm not at all against you asking questions about edits you want to do (or have done that you were told you shouldn't). But the fact that you haven't and you've just blatantly ignored clear instructions is a problem. If you have problems with directions from staff, you can ask them. Or ask a higher staff member. But flouting them will earn you a block. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I have been reluctant on asking because I am scared of my questions being unnoticed due to real-life commitments, then forgotten forever. But now, I asked anyway: User talk:Tiddlywinks/Sign and Special:Diff/3497440 (evkl's talk page). --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 13:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't have to be scared, asking for permission (or for the edit to be done) is the right thing. If it's not fixed, maybe it'll be noticed when (if) it gets mainspaced. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm gonna give you a pass on this because it was recent, but not if it happens again. It's still a user page. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, next time, I will ask, even if it was recently moved from the mainspace (in this case, due to vague notability). I don't exactly know but I think there might just be some users who just don't mark their drafts for mainspacing because they either don't want to or don't know how to. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 19:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


So...I wanna ask, why did you say "we" here?

You realize that ArcToraphim, who deleted the redirect, is staff, and that makes it sound like you're also staff, don't you? ...Anyway, regardless of whether you did or didn't realize: why?

Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Speaking on behalf of other Bulbapedians (including staff), but I will be sure to avoid that because now I do realize it makes me sound like a staff member who I am not. I could have just said "I", right? --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 06:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
In this situation, it almost would've been weirder to say "*I* just don't like..." =P I would've said, "They're not needed because...".
On the other hand, there's also a degree of, should you take it upon yourself to explain things that staff have done? I can understand wanting to be helpful, but in one fashion or another you seem to kind of do it a lot. And if...say, staff reverted something on Nature and the person reaches out on the talk page and asks, "I don't understand", that's one thing, it's totally fine to respond to that. But in a different situation: say they come to the staff member's talk page directly, that's definitely a case where you should leave it to staff to respond first. (And if there's any big holes after that, then it might be okay to offer a bit of help.) And as has happened above: if staff reaches out to a user directly, usually you should leave that to staff. (Even if it takes a little while, that's fine, everyone involved has their own schedule.) But in the case of going to a person to explain why a redirect was deleted when the person didn't ask, that's kinda sorta...aggressive? Again...I can understand wanting to be helpful. But I guess I would say that I wouldn't have felt there was a big reason to immediately explain it to whoever made them, not if it wasn't a huge habit of theirs. People can ask if they want to on their own. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Your block

You were told, instructed, and basically warned by Tiddlywinks over one thing: don't edit someone else's userpage. Mario is an active enough user that you could have just instructed them from the talkpage, and not commented on the talkpage after the fact of fixing it for them. Yes, fixing a broken link, but within reason, you could have left your message on the talkpage on how to fix it and let them handle it at their leisure. And this is my call. You need to relax from the userspace. Fixing red links is not as vital as you think, and you're going out of your way to be overly helpful when you can just be regularly helpful. Just don't touch the userspace if it's not yours, unless you have permission for that specific page beforehand. It's all you have to do. And don't ask for permission if it's something they can fix or add themselves. Kai * the Arc Toraph 21:07, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

...I guess I will...learn from that? And yes, I do edit the userspace too much IMO. This block is also the perfect opportunity to make me focus more on school. I guess I have a bit of Bulbapediholism (guess that's a term I made up), but the block length you just imposed is, I guess, enough for me.
Notice I did want to fix a broken image link to the signature button on the User:evkl/Talk page policy page, but I asked evkl on his talk page so he can notice the will to correct that. I was back then scared of the block, but then just my thoughts shifted to just...provoking you to block me?
And BTW, while I am still blocked from PokéWiki, I don't quite seem to be learning from that 4-year-long block. But I guess I will learn from the one here. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:30, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


Hey, you're better than me at this stuff. Would you be interested to make better galleries for Bulbapedia? I really don't like these green ones. As I understand they are coded here Common and here Mobile. I imagine they could have customizable sizes or even some kind of image preview. I would support it and torment the staff to accept it.--Rocket Grunt 14:01, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

First, I know the reason behind the overlap that happens on mobile. Specifically, the .gallery .gallerybox div selector under @media (max-width: 720px) has width: 100% !important. This could be remedied by changing 100% to calc(100% - 2.5px).
Second, galleries already have a functionality to change width of all images at once, by using the widths attribute. The heights attribute works analogically for the image height.
For example:
<gallery widths=50 heights=50>
025.png|Pikachu — the most well-known Electric-type Pokémon. Just a small rodent.
will result in
The annoying thing here is the height of all the entries. Having a set height: 205px for li.gallerybox makes the height excessive.
The solution: set height of li.gallerybox to auto, change overflow of div.gallerybox to visible and height of div.gallerybox to be min-height instead. This will cause the gallery to look like this.
Per this page at MDN, all vendor-prefixed border-radius properties (i.e. those that start with -moz-, -webkit-, -o-, -icab- or -khtml-) should be removed because these quite make Bulbapedia slow. See more at Template talk:Roundy#It's time to remove the prefixes. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 19:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
This version in your image is already so much better, there's no cut text in the description. I'm not sure if that would be a good idea but maybe a scrollbar for entries that are longer than usuall? (so the one in Pikachu wouldn't be higher).

Is there a way to not make all of them the same width?--Rocket Grunt 20:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I think there is a way, but you need to literally type out an HTML unordered list for this. This means:
<li style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top"> [[File:002Ivysaur.png|100px|thumb|none|Ivysaur]] 
<li style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top"> [[File:006Charizard.png|150px|thumb|none|Charizard]] 
<li style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top"> [[File:007Squirtle.png|50px|thumb|none|Squirtle]] 
<li style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top"> [[File:025Pikachu.png|120px|thumb|none|Pikachu — the most well-known Electric-type Pokémon. Just a small rodent.]] 
<li style="display:inline-block;vertical-align:top"> [[File:150Mewtwo.png|70px|thumb|none|Mewtwo]] 
  • Ivysaur
  • Charizard
  • Squirtle
  • Pikachu — the most well-known Electric-type Pokémon. Just a small rodent.
  • Mewtwo
--Bfdifan2006 08:56, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Shame, but thanks! Last thing, is there a way to experiment with the galleries/mediawiki on your own? --Rocket Grunt 19:41, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't know, but I think you can try doing so on Wikipedia's test wiki. Note that if you already have an account on just one of the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis, you can log in to any other one with the same account. There, create a subpage called User:<your_username>/sandbox and test the galleries there. You can use inline styling or put styles into User:<your_username>/common.css, but I always test the changes using the browser's inspector (read more here). --Bfdifan2006 19:55, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Butting in

Your comment here was completely unnecessary. As I told you above, " if staff reaches out to a user directly, usually you should leave that to staff."

Think of it like, if a teacher or a police officer pulls someone aside to talk to them, you wouldn't jump in and say "They're right, this is what you did wrong".

Previously I gave it some wiggle room. At this point, I think I should just make it dead simple. If a staff member reaches out to someone on their user page, don't butt in. Staff are handling it; they can handle it. Chill. Leave it to staff. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I know, but I felt like your comment at TRG's talk page was too long. I just provided a quick summary. If you accept such summaries, you should make them, not me. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 09:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if you think it's too long, that's not something for you to worry about. It's lengthy because it's a stern reminder to a user that is known for moving articles without proper approval. Bottom line, if a staff member has left a message on someone's talk page, do not take it upon yourself to make a comment, regardless of how "helpful" you think your are being. Let staff deal with it.--ForceFire 10:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)