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Shouldn't Arceus e listed here too?--ElectAbuzzzz 09:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why not. --TTEchidna 02:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


It's Forme. Check the Poké dex. TTEchidna 06:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

But why would they change that for Deoxys? It makes no sense. - Cassius335 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
It's Forme. Even the Nintendo Power guilled says so. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links10:11 21 May 2008
Which I'm assuming they don't spell "guilled"... - Cassius335 10:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Proves that I'm obssessed with Special. I emant GUIDE. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links10:16 21 May 2008
So you have the guide, and it says "forme?" Jeez! How is it possible we didn't know about this before now? --Martonimos((Talk)) 06:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
My point... - Cassius335 16:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Deoxys911 posted this info on my talk page, but after I played through the special mission in Ranger and they were all spelled as "form," I thought he was just being misled. I guess Game Freak and HAL just got their wires crossed somewhere, because it's starting to look more and more like he was right... Looks like I owe someone an apology. --Martonimos((Talk)) 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


Sky Forme YinYang 19:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks fake but cute User:CoolPikachu!
Another one??? God, I must delete everything with that link! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links11:06 25 May 2008
Yeah, it's fake. It seemed so real! YinYang 21:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
It's been confirmed! How do we add it? YinYang 23:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to ask an admin, since they've got this page protected (damn vandals) --Manga-in-a-bottle 02:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

-snort- Looks kinda like a reindeer.. Hehe.. I think it's pretty ugly actually, and I hope that isn't the in-game sprite displayed on the page, it doesn't look good at all to me. Evan 06:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Apparently it's gonna be in "giratina and the boquet in the sky" (japanese name), along with the rotom formes. I'm guessing that giratina's "origin forme" is going to be in there, too. --Neosteel Empoleon


Cherrim should definitely be on this page - there are already other examples of Pokemon that can change their form, and Cherrim's difference is similar in nature to Castform's. Why is this page locked, by the way?KrytenKoro 00:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The page is protected due to edit warring over the spelling of "form". Some users insist that it should be spelled "forme", which is incorrect--there isn't supposed to be an E in "form". --Shiningpikablu252 01:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Well duh, not in NORMAL English. But for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin, yes there is. TTEchidna 02:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not exactly sure that "Bulb Bud Forme" and "Bloom Forme" are official names. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 20:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Me neither, but that's what it said on the Cherrim page, so I'd rather stick with precedent then make a fuss. If someone in the know has more info, though, go ahead.KrytenKoro 21:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, we should differentiate between which are recognized by the Pokedex, and which are obviously different forms but not recognized as such. Giratina might actually fit into this, as it's Pokedex entry doesn't say anything about its form (as of now).KrytenKoro 21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Where the heck did 'Bud Forme' and 'Bloom Forme' names come from? - Cassius335 13:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
They were added to Cherrim's page. Most likely a while ago. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 14:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
They're purely fanon names I came up with to differentiate the sprite tables. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Since they are not actual names, I think it would be safe to drop the "e" off of Forme, so as not to confuse anyone into thinking they are official. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
We should drop more than the e (which is still official since everything else uses it). Castform is probably the best example to follow for the captions. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that "Forme" is unofficial, just "Bud" and "Bloom". In any case, should they just be labeled "Sunny Day" and "Other"? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That works. Or 'Normal' instead of 'Other'- Cassius335 16:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I wasn't too keen on the word "Other" anyway. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 16:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
forme is for legendaries only, you know. Has Cherrim seen a TCG release yet? That's where I got the names for Castform's forms. TTEchidna 18:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
I could only find the one card. It is simply titled Cherrim and it is already in bloom. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 18:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
According to the Official Pocket Version of the Pokédex guide, Cherrim's forms are "Overcast Form" and "Sunshine Form". Spelled like that without the "e". The Deoxys Formes do have the "e", though. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Miltank's spots are diffrent in every game hinting they change in each region.

Just because they differ in games doesn't mean that the Miltank change depending on the region. =/ - spontaneousCombusken 03:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, that's the way Arbok is supposed to work, but we all know that a Hoenn Arbok can magically change to a Kanto Arbok.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 03:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


The same guide I mentioned above for Cherrim also list the names of Castform's forms. They are: "Normal form", "Sun form", "Rain form" and "Hail form". Should these be used? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Can I point out? "Mantyke's Pokédex entry in Pearl says that the special patterns on its back vary from region to region. However, this has yet to be proven" How can this be true? It is availible in Ranger SOA, isnt it? --Lucario12 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotom's Formes?

I'm not convinced it is a toaster, as I see it to resemble a microwave oven more than a toaster. The others I agree with, but not this one. Gywall(Talk) 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I always thought it was a microwave oven,too. It's actually called "heat forme", though. Go figure.

--Neosteel <color: silver> Empoleon <color:blue>

Stupid Protection

OMG, I wanted to edit the page to put in OFFICIAL names for Castform forms (they are in TCG) and I discovered the page is protected. Please stop that debate about "Form" or "Forme". Official sources use スピンロトム Spin Rotom, Wash Rotom etc. As long as they are not officially revealed, just leave it alone. --Maxim 06:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. The four Castfors are called:
  • Castform
  • Rain Castform
  • Snow-cloud Castform
  • Sunny Castform
As far as Rotom goes, Urutapu makes a pretty good argument for the use of "Forme." --((Marton imos)) 06:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Just to kill any doubts about Rotom Forms

Look here! (courtesy of Blue SkY) Photos taken from the game itself. See it now? It's ロトム (Rotom), not フォルム (Forme)! Which means that Rotom forms are supposed to be named Wash Rotom, Spin Rotom, Cut Rotom etc., they are not called "Formes" anywhere. So, it's officialy EoT. --Maxim 09:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

"フォルム" or "フォーム"

Both translate to "form" through a Google translate, but apparently the first is used intentionally and translated as "Forme", while the second translates as "form".

What I need to know... The English games have a specific text. The fifth button on a Pokémon's entry says "Forms", while on the top screen, when it's pressed, it says "FORMS" and on the form-switcher button, says "See another form." Now, in the Japanese, all these instances of "form", does it say "フォーム", the standard transliteration, or does it use "フォルム" for them all? Because if it's the nonstandard one... that means that really, truly, it's intended to be "Forme" for everything.

But if not then we have the ambiguity problem. Deoxys says "see another form", but it cycles among the Attack, Defense, Speed, and Normal Formes. And that is proven by Poké TTEchidna 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

The button says "But see another" (べつのすがをみろ) in Pokémon Platinum. Giratina uses Forme for sure.. not got enough Pokédex for others. Gywall(Talk) 21:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Anything for DP? It seems that Pokémon Wiki has it all under the "Forme/フォルム" spelling, even Unown. TTEchidna 21:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, the Unown don't have the Forme spelling attached. They all share the same thing. (which I forgot to copy) Gywall(Talk) 21:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


I noticed that all of these Pokémon with alternate Formes/forms all have their own special template (either a bigger spritebox to accomodate them all or, in the case of Arceus and Unown, one based on the second you enter the page) except for Castform. Over the past few days, I've made such templates but I'm having trouble getting them to appear. If anyone thinks we should implement these and that they can help, post on my talk page.--MisterE13 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

More pictures

Should we show pictures for the other Pokémon (Arbok, Dialga, etc.) except for Mantyke (till Generation V) YinYang 21:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Well Arbok's patterns... differ based on the generation of sprites. They aren't truly form differences. TTEchidna 04:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe there could be section or page called "Sprite Differences among Generations/Regions" or something. YinYang 22:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't forget Koffings poison mark -- Clarky13 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Before Unown

I'm wondering why nobody's thought about the most obvious very first 'form change' and that is the Male and Female versions of Nidoran, and the altered evolution paths they take. Does anyone think this is worth mentioning in the article? Korikitsune 03:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

No, because they are gender differences, not different forms. They are two individual Pokémon, unlike the forms of Unown and friends. — THE TROM — 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
They are 2 pokemon with the same name, the only difference being the gender, I think that counts, I'm not sure why it doesn't count, seeing as how they have the same name in all technicality, and in the show, people wouldn't say, 'Go Nidoran Male!' just, 'Go, Nidoran!' It's a male and female version of the pokemon, who's evolutionary pattern depends on it's gender. The minor gender difference in other pokemon is mentioned later in the article. Korikitsune 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
With your reasoning, Hippowdon and Bidoof would be here also. Gender differences are different from form differences. Furthermore, the Nidorans have different 'dex numbers. They are completely separate Pokémon. — THE TROM — 06:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


This isn't necessary anymore, nobody's gonna try to add Missigno.--MisterE13 01:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Shellder Sprites

I'm making sprites for the Shellder. Should we have them on this page? (This is my first ever edit) Pokemon17 07:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

No, because they are not in the actual game but fan-made ones you made. --Coolピカチュウ! 07:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


I was looking back in the history of this page, and I saw that there had been an edit war over Missingno.'s absence from this page. And a quote from one of the edit summaries, "stop, it isn't an actual pokemon", really enraged me. I believe that the guy who tried to add Missingno. had the right idea, because, after all, it does have different forms.

I have made this argument in the past, and I shall make it again, for what I hope to be the final time. A Pokémon, in terms of in the games, is a specific piece of data that can learn and use attacks, can battle other Pokémon, can be captured, has a Pokédex entry, has a cry, has a type or types, and has stats. Granted, three of Missingno.'s forms gain their types, stats, and moves from other Pokémon, but they qualify. Sure, Ash captured a rice ball with a Poké Ball, and I'm not claiming that rice balls are Pokémon. This is because although rice balls can apparently be captured in Poké Balls, they fail at every other requirement. No attacks, no cry, can't battle, no dex entry, no cry, no types, no moves, no stats. Glitch Pokémon, on the other hand, fulfill all those requirements. Maybe you will argue that Glitch Pokémon would've appeared in the anime if they were real. Well, then, by that logic, why don't we just say that Porygon2 and Porygon-Z aren't real Pokémon? After all, they've never appeared in the anime, and many people believe that they never will, so why not! No. Just no. And many people will claim that Missingno. is not a real Pokémon due to the accidental nature with which it came to be. What a load of bull****! Pennicillin came about by accident, do we deny its medicinal value? No, we do not! And likewise, we do not deny that Glitch Pokémon are Pokémon, too! If Glitch Pokémon aren't considered to be real Pokémon, then by that logic, I defeated the Elite 4 in Blue without any Pokémon, and I have a PC box that is full, yet has no Pokémon in it! Fail logic is epic, epic fail.

I do not say this to start any arguments; I say this to stop them. I wish for this longtime and meaningless controversy to be put to rest once and for freaking all. I will not prematurely attempt to add Missingno. back on the page, for fear of yet another unproductive edit war starting up. Rather, I will wait patiently for someone in authority to allow me to proceed with this. I am confident, given my thorough argument, that it will not take long at all.

The majority of Bulbapedia editors are highly intelligent, prominently including its illustrious staff. I urge you all, therefore, to not let Bulbapedia's credibility and neutrality, as well as your own usually clear and cloudless judgement, fall victim to the naysayers, the stubborn imbeciles, the biased, discriminating anti-glitch bigots that have so plagued Bulbapedia and impeded the noble progress of the Order of the Glitch. Allow Missingno. and its various formes to be added to the page, to be truly counted among other Pokémon, and it will be considered a great achievement. A blow will be stricken for truth and logic! Glitch Pokémon are every bit as good as "official" Pokémon, if not even better, and it's time the good people of Bulbapedia realized this! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 12:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

While several of your arguments are flawed (I can say which ones, but it doesn't matter), I will agree that MissingNo. deserves a mention on this page. In a different way to the other standard Pokémon (perhaps in the trivia section or under other Pokémon), but definitely a mention of some kind. --SnorlaxMonster 13:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
There are 39 glitch Pokémon (which have unique index numbers) on the English R/B alone which use the name 'Missingno.' If those are to stay I'd reccommend a seperate article. But also, what makes Missingno. different to all the other glitch Pokémon, just because it is well known doesn't mean we should keep Pikachu's page and delete Dunsparce's page (just a matter of speech)? We would need the several thousand variations of ?????????? and the handful amount of ? mark glitches. Don't forget that there are other R/B/Y glitch Pokémon except Missingno. which have the same name too! As well, as the 39 English 'yellow missingno.' and so on.

That would be awkward, I'd say we should simply have it on trivia and leave the different variations of such glitch Pokémon on their own articles. --Chickasaurus 18:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Well... it's not really an official Pokemon. No matter how much you will plug your ears and scream IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! because it has Pokemon-like data... well, you gotta fill that in or else the game would go ballistic. Is the name "Missingno." in the copyright database? I can't check that for myself (don't know how), but I have my doubts about it being copyrighted by Nintendo. It's just filler data that people happen to get attached to, because you can encounter it during 'normal gameplay' (ish...), has more of a name than the other glitches, can have a more 'real' sprite, and doesn't have much effect on your game other than the Hall of Fame.
Does that make it a Pokemon? No. No, it doesn't. Has it appeared in any other game except Generation I? No. Was it intended to be encountered? No. It may have types/moves/stats, but that was probably to avoid a total crash if someone happened to come across it.
As for Missingno being on the page... well. I don't think it's a "true" form per se, but it at least deserves a trivia mention or something. Because it's not official and two of its "forms" are just glitchy boxes, I don't think it needs an entire section... trivia should be suitable. ▫▪Ťïňắ 18:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Rotom changing forms

The article explains that Rotom changes form by possessing household appliances. However, it does not say how. (Giratina's section explains how, for example.) By showing the in-game sprites for each form, wouldn't that indicate those forms are available in the games? So what needs to happen in order to trigger this change? Do you examine one of the appliances with Rotom leading the party? FrozenStrategy 12:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

It should mention it. Examine an appliance in Rotom's room (Galactic or Silph) with a Rotom in your party (anywhere), then a message pops up saying that Rotom wants to go into the motor and you are asked whether or not to permit it. Then to revert it, examine the spot where the appliance was and Rotom will want to revert to it's original form and you are asked to permit it. This is all from Platinum, so HGSS might be slightly different. --SnorlaxMonster 13:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to add that if you're using HeartGold and SoulSilver you will find the room in Silph Co. by setting Rotom as your Walking Pokémon and entering the lift which is normally disfunctionable --Chickasaurus 14:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC).


shouldn't basurao be included here? Badwolf1234 11:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Think I figured out the form/forme issue.

Form - Generically used

Forme - Used when referring to a specific form.

Ex: "Deoxys has four forms: Normal, Attack, Defense, and Speed Formes."--immewnitythemew 02:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

True, but keep in mind some Pokémon still don't use the Forme terminology, such as Burmy, which is instead referred to by its cloak. --AndyPKMN 12:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
"Forme" is for legendary Pokémon, "form" is for non-legendary Pokémon. This has been known for a while. Example: Overcast Form, Attack Forme. --SnorlaxMonster 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Lugia

Shadow Lugia needs to be in the "Pokémon with differing forms" section rather than the "Other form differencees" section, although it is only in one game, the same also applies to Spiky-ear Pichu, who is only in HeartGold/SoulSilver but is in the section. Could Dark/Primal Dialga could also be added too?Vuvuzela2010 21:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Rotation By Time.

This has been discussed multiple times before, but it is quite frustrating to wait a certain amount of time to see the art or stats of a certain form of Pokémon. There are several different ways we can do other than the "rotation over time" method, that would be more efficient for the users so that they could see all the forms of a Pokémon or their stats at any time. Whether we split up articles into multiple articles, or come up with some way to change a picture or the stats at the press of a button, I don't know, but I just want to know why we are still using this method other than that it is a policy. Can an admin please explain to me why we use this method, rather than an other method? --Landfish7 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

The other stats etc. can be viewed simply by clicking "Show" on the RHS of the page. —darklordtrom 07:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, and so the art can be viewed in the gallery on the Bulbagarden Archives. That makes total sense! Thanks trom! --Landfish7 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Hihidarumma's Active Mode and Meditative Mode

According to BW008, Hihidaruma's forms are apparently called 'Active Mode' and 'Meditative Mode'. XVuvuzela2010X 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup Needed?

Half of the templates on the page have borders (the ones with stats etc, like Deoxys) while the other half don't. Also, why are there four different sprites of Spinda? And some cells appear to be split (like Burmy), while others are not (like Pichu). XVuvuzela2010X 17:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

The half that don't have borders are showcasing the sprites and if I recall correctly, those were always there and someone suddenly decided to add all the stats and level-up moves. I don't see what's wrong with the Spinda sprites. Jellotalk 17:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Like Jello said, the ones without borders are just to show the differences in sprite while the ones with borders are templates to display things like base stats. The Spinda sprites are there because we're not even going to start uploading the insane multitude of Spinda sprites onto the Archives so the best demonstration we can do of Spinda sprites is between Generation (but perhaps that's useless and should be removed...). The "splitting" of the cells is simply done when the background colours change between the sprites.--MisterE13 21:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I never suggested uploading every spinda sprite, only two variations are needed on the page to show the general spot differences. Having four blanks on the page seems pointless, since they do not show any kind of form diference. XVuvuzela2010X 21:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Of course, then we hit upon the problem of which specific sprites to upload. The blank ones are in a matter of speaking less biased.--MisterE13 21:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The sprites chosen would not really matter, just as long as the differences between them are obvious. XVuvuzela2010X 21:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Arceus (again)

I had added Arceus to the type pages where Arceus can be that type along with the asterisk and the plate necessary to make it that type (example), but CoolPikachu! disagrees (see here). What do the rest of you say? Vemoth 08:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Its types may already be mentioned, since there is that switchy template thing for Arceus, but this is more helpful. Castform also needs to be added. XVuvuzela2010X 10:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it should be considered form differences: give it a plate, and its type on the status screen changes. However, Judgment is only a Normal-type move, as when Arceus holds a plate it is still listed as Normal-type. --SnorlaxMonster 11:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
You (and anyone who see the link to the right) are hereby invited to The Great Arceus Debate. Vemoth 00:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
If you don't think 4 pages is enough for a debate then I don't know what is. Jellotalk 05:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


If Porygon's Conversion changes count as a "form difference" why not Crystal Onix from the anime?--Wowy 08:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon Questions? -- 18:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

No. And this is kind of a Forum Question--Purimpopoie 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
It is not a forum question, the way that the article was worded implieds that Meloetta remained in Piroutte form outside of battle. XVuvuzela2010X 18:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


The names of its forms was confirmed so can we add them?Badwolf1234 01:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Arbok concept arts

Where do those come from? --Maxim 20:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

They come from a Japanese Pokémon handbook. It included several other concept arts, like other kinds of Shellder attached to Slowbro and Poliwhirl's internal anatomy. |) u |( e ® 23:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Wow, could you upload the artworks from this book? It's a super-obscure stuff. I'm sure that no one else here has it. --Maxim 08:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Even write an article on it if you can. This sounds like it could have some very interesting info. --SnorlaxMonster 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Kami trio

Someone add the Reijuu Formes for the Kami trio.

--PenblooeR 00:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, is it worth mentioning that the three formes seem based o n three gods of the Aztec mythology? Tornadus seems to be based on Huitzilopochtli (hummingbird), Thundurus on Quetzalcoatl (feathered serpent) and Landorus on Tezcatlipoca or Tepeyollotl (jaguar).


The article says that "Unown was the first known Pokémon which had visual differences between individuals of the species."

However this isn't entirely true as Shellder is technically the first. While not to the same extreme as the Unown, Sheller who are attached to Slowpoke (or more specifically their evolutions) have different visual appearances compared to regular Shellder.

Shouldn't this be changed? Yamitora1 05:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Since the attachment to Slowpoke causes an evolution, I think Shellder should be considered to evolve as well. --SnorlaxMonster 05:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Then the part about the Unown should be changed. Shelder was the original shape shifter (no offense Dito) and the Unown are stealing the credit.
I also agree that the Shelder + Slowpoke should be considered an evolution on the Shelder end as well, but that's a pretty large mine field to navigate. Yamitora1 16:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


SnorlaxMonster, the Pokédex still calls the being attached to Slowbro or Slowking a Shellder. It is a Shellder in a form that is not the default one. We could say that Ditto should also be excluded since it's just one isolated case (Duplica's Ditto) and the Pokémon it transformed into only had it's face changed. Will a complete transformation like Shellder's be excluded because of the saying of an Anime character? If the games say it is a Shellder, won't they have priority over the anime? Please undo it. |) u |( e ® 05:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, Ditto and Shellder turn into separate species. Ditto, while still a ditto, turns into a different Pokémon nonetheless while shellder evolves into a different species (Slowbro). Unown are the first one to have distinct differences of the same species.--ForceFire 05:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
The Pokédex does not consider the Shellder attached to a Slowbro as a different species. It is still a Shellder, and can even be detached someday. |) u |( e ® 06:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that I now agree that the Shellder is still a Shellder, not evolved after reading the Shellder Article. You see, I have a good memory, but I forgot that even though it's changed, in the anime the Shellder still pronounces it's name "Shellder" even with Slowbrow's tail shoved down it's throat. Add to that and the fact that indeed the articles do refer to Shellder as Shellder no matter what.
Many Pokémon have different forms when they come or inhabit different places. Shellder just happens to like to inhabit parts of Slowpoke.
With that said, it is still a Shellder and should be placed back into the article and given the title that Unown is cashing in on. Yamitora1 15:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
This topic is getting old. In a sense, Shellder evolves with Slowpoke. It's not a form change, it's an evolution. If it was just a form change, Slowpoke would still be a Slowpoke, but with a big carnivorous shell on its tail. But the fact that it is the lone cause of Slowpoke's evolution into Slowbro, then it is evolution. Oh, the Pokédex says it can fall off? In theory, maybe it could. But it never would, because that would be devolution, which doesn't happen in the games. Not to mention, you don't even NEED a Shellder in the games to evolve Slowpoke. If it was a form change, it would be able to change back in-game without any issues, or arguments. Like Shaymin for example, you need the flower. But it can change back. If it were an Unown or Shellos case, it wouldn't need to change at all. Shellder would just be one or the other. But they're not.
P.S. If Shellder can fall off, then Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon.
Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 08:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
You can't assume something only because you haven't seen it, you don't need to drink poison to know that it kills. I assume Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon, because the games told me that the Pokédex was made by serious researchers, like Professor Oak. And if we can't (yet) make the Shellder detach, it's our problem, it doesn't mean the Pokédex is a lie. I'll trust Pokédex entries a thousand times more than "common sense". It's not up to us to decide. |) u |( e ® 17:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
P.S.: If something should be removed, it's Spinda, Arceus, Genesect and Dialga. Those are not different forms, only their colors (or patterns) change (Dialga's tail can change size naturally). Not to mention Pichu. |) u |( e ® 17:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
People calm down, its the internet. I forget which rule that is since all i can remember is rule 63 and the one that destroys people's favorite childhood cartoons.
Shellder is still Shellder. Slowbro is the only one who evolves, and he even says Slowbro. Shellder on the other hand says Shellder. Pokémon See N Say: The Slowbro says, Slowbrow, the Shellder says, Shellder. Also in the anime this happens despite having a tail down it's throat. Plus Prof Westwood still refers to Shellder as Shellder, and refers to the evolution problem and the Shellder Puzzle. Also when Slowpoke began to evolve, he said Slowpoke, not Slowpoke and Shellder was starting to evolve. "Slowpoke evolved into a Slowbro, and Shellder changed into a spiral shape. Shellder is mentioned to be Shellder in Slowbro's and Slowking Pokédex entries, and the anime.
Also, whenever a Pokémon ITSELF evolves, it no longer addresses itself as it once did. Despite similar lettering Pikachu does not say Pichu and neither does Raichu. Have you ever heard a Raichu say Pika or Pichu? Shellder can only evolve with a water stone, and it only evolves into Cloyster. Cloyster say Cloyster, Shellder say Shellder and Shellder on Slowbro's tail say Shellder and not Slowbro, Slowshell, Shellbro or Shelldro.
This is a different form for Shellder, and so is the one on Slowking's head. Yes Slowpoke can evolve without Shellder in the games, but lots of things are different in the games than the anime. Also the original games came out over a decade and a half ago on a FOURTH GENERATION 8-BIT HANDHELD SYSTEM. Back then you could only fit so much stuff on those dinosaurs, its amazing how they were even able to fit 151 different Pokémon, with multiple moves and other things onto one little tiny cartridge. It leaves the mind boggled. Besides, back then, despite all the stuff they fit into the game, they couldn't put everything in and they didn't think a lot of things through either. You ever notice how Game Freak always shows themselves as party loving college kid programmers in the games? Might not be so far off the mark given how they had so many mistakes in the games, and while less in newer games still happen. Yes I know in new generations certain Pokémon like Mantyke and Mantine need another Pokémon to evolve, but that is now. They've had a decade an a half to think of new things, and the technology has improved 2000 fold and we're only in the 8th generation of Nintendo's innovative handhelds.
It would be one thing if Pokémon only came out yesterday and these evolution inconsistencies existed, but Pokémon and its games have been around for about 16 years, that's over out half my entire life and many of the Admins on here. In all that time I have rarely seen the franchise go back and fix the flaws of previous generations outside of a few remakes which only removed things like Ghost pcs. They could easily make it where in the next game you need a shellder in the party to evolve Slowpoke, but they haven't and I bet 80% of that is a mix of not wanting to and not needing to for Nostalgia reasons. I guarantee you if they did fix the Slowpoke thing, then many fans would strike back in protest. All Nintendo and Game Freak can do is make the anime and games, and try to not repeat their mistakes and form a consistent and correlate cannon structure for their product.
I don't know what's in the water around here making everyone uptight, but it's not healthy and unnecessary. Yamitora1 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd just like to say; not in a rude way, or anything, just honest; the next time you post a message, could it please not be 5 paragraphs long? Half of that message wasn't even on topic. Also, no one is angry here. Not a one. I'm not, Duke's not. The argument that Shellder is its own separate Pokémon when on a Slowbro/king has just been made several times before, and it starts to lose its shine over time, to the point it just becomes repetitive and dull. There was once a big project to label all Slowbro and Slowking as also having Shellders, but it was shot down because of how tedious it was, and the scale of the debate. I'm someone who doesn't really count the Shellder. I mean, I know it's there. But that's like counting the Remoraid on a Mantine. A few times, it does count (Gold's Mantine for example) but overall, it doesn't. The anime likes to emphasize the Shellder, and it's also made the point of Spoink receiving a pearl from Clamperl, but you don't need it in the games. It's easier just to have Slowbro be Slowbro, and normal Shellder be Shellder who evolves into Cloyster. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 19:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I wasn't here for those past arguments. I'm still new here and to Wikis in general, I never wanted to get sucked into drama like this...good going on my part. As for half my post "being off topic," I posted what I thought was relevant since it seemed like everyone was bringing in arguments from other arguments. I had to post multiple things to address the multiple issues that were being laid out on the table.

The Point is, Shellder deserves to be on this article, the rash removal is what started this all, at least this time anyway. I don't know why there must be so much fuss, all i ever brought up was that Shellder should have the title that was given to the Unown. Then Shellder got removed and upon reasing its article my POV on its removal changed. As long as the games/anime refer to it as Shellder it remains a Shellder and its different shells are different forms even if they are brought on by Slowpoke's evolution. Look at it this way, Slowpoke is Shellder's Gardina Flower on steroids. And Shellder is Slowpoke's Waterstone on steroids. nOne gains an evolution, the other a new shell/home/host.

I understand it can get tiresome, but you can't take your frustration out on everyone who brings it up. It's going to happen again and again until a Shellder falls off a Slowbro and is shown to revert to its old shell and/or Slowbro to Slowpoke. Also it'll keep happening until A Shellder falls off Slowking and he goes Derpy Hooves on us while the Shellder waits for it to pick it up and put it back on. Yamitora1 20:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh my Arceus! We were just debating, hehe. I'd never be upset with Jo The Marten, she's one of the people that keep this wiki going at its best. And even the guy who removed the section is someone I really admire, that's why I asked him to please revert it.
Jo, I didn't know about the past arguments as well, but I believe this case is different. This article has two main sections, one for the major and one for the minor form differences. As long as Shellder is kept in the second section, with the two points of view discribed (as I incuded), it should be left there. |) u |( e ® 21:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I admit I might have misread the argument at the start. Whenever I see Shellder, my mind instantly thinks back to people arguing that Shellder is its own Pokémon when Slowbro evolves. Umm...lemme think...obviously it changes shape when it helps a Slowpoke evolve, so that's enough for a partial form change..but I think major should just include those where it's permanent and solitary (Unown, Wormadam, Shellos), then minor if it needs some kind of an influence (Burmy, Ditto, Shellder, etc.) About the falling off part of the Pokédex, if it were to fall off, who's to say it would turn back into our common image of Shellder? It could just stay in that form forever. But we don't, and probably won't ever know. It's just something not ever shown, unfortunately. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 21:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Well whatever the case, I think we can all agree this is solved....for now *plays stereotypical dramatic Soap Opera music*
But seriously, all we can do as editors and/or fans is try to do our jobs to the best we can with whatever info Nintendo and/or Game Freak gives us. The article isn't perfect, but neither is the info we're stuck with working with but we can still try. Yamitora1 21:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
I believe the best criteria to differ major and minor is the new "Forms" button in the Pokédexes. If you open a Pokémon's page, tap the button and something besides Male and Female appears, it has official differing forms. Otherwise, they must be shown, but separately.
They could also be differed by the ones that are inherent to the Pokémon (like Burmy and Deoxys) and the ones that are dependant of an Attack or Ability (like Meloetta or Castform). But the first criteria is way better. |) u |( e ® 21:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
That is a very solid point, and if I could like comments here, I'd like that one. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 22:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Hide tables

I think it's unnecessary to have all those tables in the "In other languages" section exposed. I tried to make it hidable by adding class="expandable" to each Pokémon, but it didn't work. Can someone help me? |) u |( e ® 05:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Ask Jo, she's HTML savvy and I'm sure she'll be able to help and will agree. I also think they look a little ugly out in the open like that Yamitora1 05:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I can set it up (although expandable/collapseable code is very weird for some reason), but I don't think it's necessary. They're all at the bottom of the page and out of the way. Something else we might consider is moving them all to each section (so put Sky Forme's IOL section under the "Shaymin" section). --SnorlaxMonster 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Split proposal

Recently there has been significant expansion of the "Other form differences" section. They really are not form differences, and I suggest that we break them off into a page titled "Variant Pokémon". This would allow all articles in the category Variant Pokémon as well, including a main article link to this one. --SnorlaxMonster 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, it would be good to split, but not to "Variant Pokémon". This term already covers several pages (mainly TCG-related) that depict things that can be applied to every Pokémon, like being owned by somebody, being a Pokémon-EX or a Shiny, Shining or ☆ Pokémon. I believe that what makes the ones in this article different, is that they have characteristics that no other Pokémon has.
What about "Physical differences" or "List of Pokémon with physical differences"? |) u |( e ® 06:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
I still think that the title of "Variant Pokémon" is appropriate, and should cover differences within the Pokémon world, not differences that only exist for TCG mechanics. We could create a "Variant Pokémon (TCG)" category (a lot of TCG stuff does that anyway) then just put in a main article link to that category. --SnorlaxMonster 06:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Then, you have my support! |) u |( e ® 06:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Ditto transforming into Spinda

What happens when a Ditto uses transform on a Spinda. Does it copy the Spinda's markings, or does the marking its have generate from its own personality values? Why isn't this mentioned in the article? Yamitora1 23:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

It copies the Spinda's markings, i. e. its personality value. This isn't mentioned because it's not relevant. |) u |( e ® 03:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Kami trio abilities/obtaining the Reflecting Mirror

There are a few details about the Kami trio's Reijuu Formes that, to the best of my knowledge, are untrue. The first is the bit about hidden abilities. It was my understanding that the Reijuu Formes had the same abilities regardless of where they were obtained, and the hidden abilities were only obtainable by changing the Radar-caught kamis back into Keshin Forme (like how Altered Forme Giratina can have Pressure or Telepathy, but Origin Forme always has Levitate). The second is the part about how to obtain the Reflecting Mirror. It states that a Landorus from the Dream Radar is required to obtain the Mirror. I don't recall anyone ever saying it had to be Landorus specifically; I thought any of the three kamis could be used.

Again, I'm not 100% sure on this which is why I didn't edit the article; I'm only going by what other reliable people (particularly Serebii) have said. If anyone can provide some confirmation either way, it would be appreciated.--♪ Radio Rebel ♪ - Reject the status quo! 06:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Landorus is specified in this scan (top right in the section about the Reflecting Mirror). Not sure specifically where the information about Abilities came from, so I can't check that. --SnorlaxMonster 06:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Kami Trio

My Tornadus that I got from Dream Radar had its normal ability, Regenartor. It says on the article that if a Tornadus originated from Dream Radar, it will have its hidden ability. Is this a glitch? My Tornadus is in its Therian form, but it still has its normal ability. I'm not sure whether or not to note this on the article. Has this happened to anyone else? - Clubchloe1 18:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Therian Forme has Hidden Ability. I guess it applies to normal form. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I'll take your word for it. But isn't Dream Radar the only way to get the Therian formes of the Kami Trio? I know there some kind of item that can change their formes, called the Reflector Mirrow. - Clubchloe1 18:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Reveal Glass (you're referring to the old, Japanese name Reflecting Mirror). Yes, it does change from Incarnate to Therian and vice-versa, but I am not sure how precisely it works. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
My Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus I got from the Dream Rader don't have their hidden abilities either, and I'm sure the Therian forms have hidden abilities too. Nickvang (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Proof? It lists "Hidden:" only for Incarnate formes, not Therian formes. Therian formes have only one Ability listed. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


Do natures and shininess come from Kyurem or from Reshiram/Zekrom when fusing? NotSteve 0_o 21:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Everything is from Kyurem. Ataro (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Minor points

Just a few minor things but:

1.) The article mentions "Normal Rotom" under its Sprite. The Rotom article also mentions "Normal Rotom". It's actually just referred to as "Rotom" in game, and isn't called "Normal Rotom" any more than "Ditto" is referred to as "Normal Ditto". The article has this right on Kyurem, which is also just referred to as "Kyurem".

2.) As far as Castform's forms are concerned, I noticed that some of them have different names in Pokédex 3D Pro in other languages, for example Snowy form's German name is "Schneeform". The article lists it as "Hagel-Form"--I don't know if the article is incorrect, or if the games in German are inconsistent with the Pokédex 3D Pro, in which case I'd wonder if that's worth at least a note of trivia?

3.) Speaking of the Pokédex 3D Pro, I hate to bring up the old Arceus debate back up, but it does list Arceus in 17 separate entries, unlike Genesect or most Pokemon with gender differences which only get one. Perhaps this would also be worth at least a trivia note or something?

MasterPeteDiddy (talk) 04:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

1.) I agree, feel free to fix it.
2.) I agree as well, some other official translations should also be added, like "Snow-cloud Form" (TCG).
3.) I disagree, if Arceus's variations were not referred to as forms, they are not forms. (Basically, "forms" must involve a Pokémon's "shape", colors and types are not enough to fit this article. The only exception is listed and explained in the Trivia section.)

|) u |( e ® 12:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


Since corocoro officially announced that mewtwo gets a new forme, can we add mewtwo and it's new forme? --Dragon146 (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

We don't know anything about it, so… no. The above comment is supported by Spyspotter. 03:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Pokédex 3D Pro

Before I share my view, I'd like to say that the Pokédex 3D Pro is the latest and probably most accurate source for the translations. That said, I remember I added many translations for the forms. Not sure if those that are being changed are between them, but the source I used was Pokémon White Version's translations to those languages (I think I used Korean, Japanese and Spanish). I just want to ask if whoever is changing the translations has confirmed if the 3DS software has the same text found in the games. Some Italian and French members of this wiki may check that just to confirm. |) u |( e ® 16:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I am interested if it matches the Pokédex, and the base forms (e.g. Normal Castform) aren't named in P3D Pro, so those need checking too. P3D Pro doesn't have Korean, Japanese was all correct except Basculin, and Spanish was all correct. It was Italian, French, and a few German names that were wrong (although some I could guess were wrong without even checking due to missing "form"). --SnorlaxMonster 16:30, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Xerneas and Kyurem

Shouldn't Xerneas' Neutral and Active Modes be listed on this page as well? The in-game Pokédex treats them as separate forms, which Neutral Mode being the "default."

On another note, I mentioned this a while back on Kyurem's page but it is also relevant here; both the in-game Pokédex and Pokédex 3D Pro list Kyurem's forms with White Kyurem coming before Black Kyurem (in order to replicate the Dex order of Reshiram and Zekrom, I assume), so I think that the articles involving Kyurem should reflect this. Opinions? Ensephylon (talk) 04:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)


Should Meowstic be listed here? Unlike previous Pokémon, Meowstic's gender affects its potential abilities and moves. - Chosen of Mana 15:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not a different form though. It's a Gender Difference. --HoennMaster 21:22, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Vivillon Patterns

Should there be a chart about what country each vivillon form comes from Grass is the best (talk) 01:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I would be nice to see this, problem is is that some countries have multiple patterns. For example, in the United States the pattern differs state to state. --HoennMaster 01:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I would guess then it would have to be sectioned by region. Since some countries have different regions (in the case of the US, States), it might have to be based on however the game sections the areas. But that's assuming this type of data can be hacked and labeled in such a fashion. :/ But I think it would be a good idea to make if not a chart, at least a list of some kind on what form is found where. (kinda curious what form people in my state would get opposed to another in the same country but distant location, and if they base it off of the region's general climate) ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
  • We must have this power! But seriously, if there is a format that can be used for an appropriate chart of the forms and locations, that list can at least help with the information. Though I wonder if that would be a credible enough source for people to use. But either way, thanks for the link, Jmvb. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 16:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Sprites into artwork

Comparing Darmanitan forms still have sprites and needs to turn into artwork. Cinday123 (talk) 08:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately Sugimori and Dream World artwork of Darmanitan's Zen Mode doesn't exist, so there's not much we can do about it. レシイラムtalk 09:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

AZ's Floette

From what I remember seeing in the flashback in Y, when AZ's Floette died and he received its coffin, it had a blackened tulip-like flower on it. This tulip-like flower is presumably the flower it lived on/carried with it. The flower it carries around now after its Resurrection seems to be that same one, albeit dried up and missing petals. Yamitora1 (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's the flower it had when it was alive. And it's not dried up, just has its petals opened. Ataro (talk) 03:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


Furfrou doesn't meet the requirements for this page as its forms do not get registered in the Pokédex, therefore should we move it to Variant Pokémon with Arceus and Genesect?Jmvb (talk) 01:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon with no appearant differences due to its gender are also registered in the Pokédex. I don't think being registered is the sole requirement for being included here.

-Iosue (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

This is minor information, but should it be noted that a shiny Furfrou's cuts/trims still do not show up on the PokéDex? Is this true for Arceus and Genesect too? Lighthouse (talk) 04:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Seems like it's only for ORAS which makes even more minor. I've been informed by WhosHaddady on Furfrou's talk page, that SM's dex info can still carry over data to Bank's dex and the shiny variation of the trim forms show up. I've even tried it as well and it worked. --Lighthouse (talk) 11:16, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Variants of Mega Pokémon

I am not sure if we should raise this, but the concept of Mega Pokémon is not even there when this page was laid out. -Iosue (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Should we lock the article?

With ORAS details emerging, and Groudon and Kyogre looking different then their typical self, should we lock this thread to prevent people form adding the two onto the article without evidence? Yamitora1 (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Male, Female and Cosplay Pikachu

I think it will be better if male Pikachu art and female Pikachu sprite will be replaced with Pokemon-Amie screenshot, like a Cosplay Pikachu. Asmod96 (talk) 15:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I have another idea : Why not extract all these forms "sprites" from the Pokémon-Amie screenshots we have for Pikachu and the different Cosplay Pikachu forms since we don't have artwork for either Female or Undressed Cosplay Pikachu ? --Wolfy Harfleur 76700 (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Because, in my opinion, official arts have higher priority than sprites or screenshots, so we should use them when possible. Asmod96 (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Yet we don't have any official art neither for Female nor Cosplay Pikachu. That's exactly the problem. --Wolfy Harfleur 76700 (talk) 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Ash's Greninja

Although it has not evolved, should we still add Ash Greninja form for Ash's Greninja as it has been shown on the US website? Pratik_12 Talk 18:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Unless it appears in the games I don't even see a reason to add it here at all. We know next to know about it anyway. --HoennMaster 01:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Well Zygarde's Formes are listed, and those aren't confirmed either. We should at least consider giving Ash-Greninja a section under "Variant Pokémon".--User: Charmeleon2495

Unless it was explained more in the episode that it just debuted in, we still don't know if this is a form difference, or more like a type of mega evolution. So we should not add it to either of those places until it is known for certain what it is classified as. For now, it should be fine just having a section on Ash's Greninja's page to detail it. ChE clarinetist (talk) 23:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
Ash Greninja seems more like it belongs on the Variant Pokémon page. --SnorlaxMonster 04:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
But since it is a normal Greninja, i don't see it being a variant, it gains new power when the bond reaches max, like mega evolution but without Key stone and a Mega Stone, also it is dubbed as Ash-Greninja, cause it is the only known version after the village Greninja occurred more than 100 years ago. Variant Pokémon don't gain new power or revert back to their original form, right ? Pratik_12 Talk 05:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction,i think...?

Arceus is said on this page to only be able to learn draco meteor while holding draco plate,but draco meteor's page said that it can learn the move regardless of the plate it's holding. There's an asterisk over draco meteor's name on arceus' "by tutoring" list but I can't check it with my damn phone... Can anyone clear the confusion (even for people who can check the asterisk)? Sorry for the trouble. Fiky f (talk) 09:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Arceus can only learn Draco Meteor while it is holding the Draco Plate. The asterisk just says "With Draco Plate". --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 04:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Alola Forms

I would assume that Alola forms would fall under this category, so would someone be able to add them? Jigglypoof21 (talk) 00:52, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

We don't know enough about them yet to add a section, and more than likely they would get their own page. --HoennMaster 04:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Scratch that. They are already over at the Variant Pokémon page. --HoennMaster 04:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


Shouldn't Pikachu-colored Pichu be added? Lokki (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

It's just a Shiny event Pichu. --Abcboy (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


Why isn't Silvally mentioned here? It's like Arceus, and Arceus is here. PartHunter (talk) 06:38, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It may be like Arceus, but I don't think anything has said that it changes "forms". It may be that the Pokedex won't make any distinction. Arceus wasn't here either until the Pokedex actually distinguished it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:58, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Didn't they showed sprites of of Silvally as the 18 types, in a pokedex-like format, like how they showed the alolan forms between their standard forms?Animaltamer708:59, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Just because it has different-colored models doesn't mean it has different forms. Like Tiddlywinks said, Arceus didn't officially have any forms until they were added to the Pokédex in Generation 6. Before then, it had a lot of different sprites but only one form. The designation of whether or not something is a "form" is exclusively based on the Pokédex (or explicit use of the word "form" in prerelease materials). Any changes in appearance that aren't listed in the Pokédex are not forms and should be on Variant Pokémon instead. We don't know which Silvally is, so when we do, it will be added to one page or the other. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:57, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Should Solgaleo and Lunala even be here?

Solgaleo's and Lunala's forms are just parts of their attack animations, they aren't registered in the PokéDex, and they don't seem any different from how the active forms of Reshiram and Zekrom are treated in the game. You could however argue, that the PokéDex isn't that reliable and that they were branded by TPC as second forms. Thoughts? - RHeegaard (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Well the active forms of Reshiram and Zekrom (and to an extent Yveltal) aren't named in either games or official sources unlike Solgaleo and Lunala's Radiant Sun and Full Moon phases. Sometimes certain alternate forms aren't included in the pokedex like Arceus' other forms as the others types in Gen IV.Animaltamer710:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
They're probably more similar to the Overdrive modes of Black Kyurem and White Kyurem; however, I'm not entirely sure if Overdrive was officially referred to as a form, whereas these phases were. --SnorlaxMonster 10:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

If just having an official name counts these as proper forms despite being just part of their attack animations, shouldn't Genesect's High-Speed Flight Form be listed here too despite just being part of its release animation? Hyper Turtwig (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not that having an official name qualifies them as forms. It's that they were called forms in official pre-release media. If an official source calls something a form, it's a form. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Can anyone actually cite an official English source for "High-Speed Flight Form"? It seems to me it could be in the Genesect movie or Adventures, if anywhere, but I'm not familiar enough with them to look for anything myself. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I've scoured the history of the Genesect article, and it appears that's the translation that was added when the form was originally revealed in Japanese. I don't know whether the form ever got an English name, or if it did, whether or not that name is also High-Speed Flight Form. But given the lack of evidence, I've edited Genesect's article to indicate, for now, that this is only the Japanese name of the form. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


Is there any reason why the Original Color Magearna isn't here? It is mentioned on the Magearna page (under Pokédex entries), so it seems it should be mentioned here. Kidburla (talk) 21:56, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Vivillon's forms

I'm living in Siberia and my Vivillon are always Polar, some of my friends from Moscow get a different form (I don't remember which one, but I will ask them). Should this be mentioned in the article? It does mention certain regions of other countries, after all. Kikugi (talk) 10:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ideally we should have a thorough list of all forms for all locations. (That whole list probably wouldn't be directly on this page, though. And continuously building towards that directly on this page similarly isn't the best.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ultra burst

I heard from somewhere that a player can only invoke Ultra Burst once per battle. Is it true? Should the page mention this? sumwun (talk) 06:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Removing Solgaleo and Lunala

I think its time to remove Solgaleo and Lunala's alternate forms.

  • They are not recognized as forms in the Pokédex, something that kept Arceus and Genesect off this page for a while.
  • They only keep those forms when they are doing their moves.
  • Other similar forms, like Genesect's high speed flight configuration and the Tao trio's temporary forms aren't noted.

From what I can tell, the only reason they are being kept is because they were given names, which is really silly. Why not add Genesect's form? Or Marshadow's? Iml908 (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I lean toward keeping them (officially recognized in promo materials is still officially recognized in my eyes, even if it's at a lower tier than in-game), but I agree that if they're kept, we should no longer exclude Zenith Marshadow since it has a name now (albeit a merchandise-only name). Genesect's is a weirder case since it has an official name in Japanese but not English, so I don't have a strong opinion either way on it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd say that having an official name only in Japanese is still official, so Genesect would count. Otherwise, we should remove all the others. Iml908 (talk) 14:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Please don't let this end without an official answer. Either Solgaleo and Lunala are removed, or Marshadow and Genesect must be added, plus potentially Reshiram and Zekrom. Iml908 (talk) 03:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Doesn't Radiant Sun phase Solgaleo and Full Moon phase Lunala have normal and shiny sprites in the game so they still out as forms and even most Pokémon forms can be shiny?--Jacob Kogan (talk) 05:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Again, so do the others. Iml908 (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


This was written about Zekrom/Reshiram/Kyurem's Overdrive:

This mode is not formally recognized in-game, and only occurs during move animations. The only exceptions are in Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 and the Generation VII games.

This does not draw a complete picture for me. Can someone please explain to me exactly how I can observe this issue myself? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:09, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Basically When ever any of the Tao Trio uses their signature moves, their tails engine part start glowing along with other feature of their body, hence the Overdrive Mode. As for the other one, that part was actually meant for Kyurem, should have rephrase that sentence more clearly. as in Black 2 and White 2 and the Generation VII games, Black and White Kyurem reminds in their Overdrive Mode constantly as you can see in their respective sprites for proof. Hope this clarifies for you guys' question.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Also I am going to try and fix the dead link for these Pokémon so they are linked in the correct place.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:21, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Wait... so their forms come from when they light up in their move animation? Tee same way they light up in their standard Gen V sprite animation? That shouldn't even count as a form, it's just them powering up. It's like saying when Ash's Cyndaquil is able to light its flame, it's a new form. It's still a regular Cyndaquil. There's nothing special about the Tao trio lighting up when it uses a move.--ForceFire 03:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
And Yet they have an Official Name for the transformation? No its similar to Zenith Marshadow so that still counts other they wouldn't have created that mode in the first place.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:31, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Also like Solgaleo and Lunala the Tao Trio assumes this transformation while traveling.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, didn't know they were official names :P. My bad.--ForceFire 03:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Its okay Force Fire. Anyway, to be on the safe side, lets agree to add a link to these transformations like Marshadow agree?--Jacob Kogan (talk) 03:38, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent) It turns out that in Gen VI+, Black/White Kyurem are always in Overdrive mode in battle. In the party menu (the summary screen) and in the Pokedex, they're not in Overdrive. In short, the current Sun sprite on Kyurem's page is erroneous.

B2W2 is weirder, though. In-battle and in the party menu, it's in Overdrive mode. But in the Pokedex, it's mixed. It starts out not in Overdrive mode, but when you look at the Forms tab, suddenly it shows the sprites in Overdrive.

Well, long story short, Black/White Kyurem are always in Overdrive mode in battle, at least... Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay that actually makes a lot more sense, did not know about the error.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 04:24, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Arceus and Silvally

Where does Silvally's form name come from? I think it is no different with Arceus? E9310103838 (talk) 02:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma

Should it be mentioned that Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma have a "Radiant Sun" and "Full Moon" Phase respectively in a similar form to Solgaleo and Lunala? I am pretty sure they have it when they use SSS or MGB. Thanks. Ice Cream 16:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Primal Kyogre and Groudon?

Shouldn't they be listed here?- unsigned comment from Sylveon (talkcontribs)

The Primal Reversion Transformations are different from the Pokémon Forms so no they should not be listed here.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 04:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Go forms of Pikachu, Raichu, and Pichu

I've found a site that lists the special Event Pikachu (, Raichu (, and Pichu ( Now, I don't know if we're allowed to used them, but I feel we need these sprites. Having only three on the page feels incomplete. Iml908 (talk) 03:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Normal Rotom

I asked this in Rotom's discussion page but I'll repost it here since it seems to have originated from this article in 2008: Where does the name "Normal Rotom" for the base form originate from? As far as I can tell, official material (including's Pokédex, the in-game ORAS Pokédex, and Pokémon Ultra Sun & Pokémon Ultra Moon Edition: The Official National Pokédex) treats it like Kyurem and Necrozma's base forms where they're just referred to by the Pokémon's name with no additional terminology.

I also see someone else mentioned this 5 years ago. If no one can provide any official instance of "Normal Rotom" I'd like to change it to just "Rotom" on any page mentioning its forms. --Mr. Bonding (talk) 14:13, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Partner Pikachu and Eevee

Are they registered separately in the pokedex? If not/so what about Partner Eevee's gender difference? JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

It's listed on the Gender Differences page with the stipulation that it only applies to Partner Eevee. I think it's close enough. Partner Pokemon are too similar to the normal versions of their species to warrant an entry on this page, imo. It does get a little messy when female Partner Eevee look different from all other Eevee, though. Ultimate chimera (talk) 16:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Unown after RSE

How do games newer than RSE determine Unown's form? The article says it's a "separate identifier", so how does that identifier work? sumwun (talk) 01:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Hoopa Unbound

I keep a living form dex in my Pokemon Bank, and I keep both forms of Hoopa together in it. The Unbound form doesn't revert to Confined after restarting the app, unlike every other form listed here as returning to its original form once deposited into bank (Shaymin, Furfrou, etc.). To make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, I stuck Shaymin Sky form next to Hoopa Unbound and restarted the app. Shaymin had reverted to Land form, but Hoopa stayed the same. You guys are welcome to test this out for yourselves. Someone should take off the Pokemon Bank stipulation from its entry on this page. Ultimate chimera (talk) 16:39, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Why don't you edit the page yourself? sumwun (talk) 22:21, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
You're right, I just wanted to justify in case someone got mad at me. Ultimate chimera (talk) 07:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon GO

The Pokémon GO section ends up being quite a different style to the rest of this page, and over time it has been getting longer (with no sign of that slowing down anytime soon). I recommend splitting it to its own page, so this page can revert to just discussing any forms that appear exclusively in GO. --SnorlaxMonster 11:37, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to have the new page be located at List of Pokémon with form differences/Pokémon GO as a subpage rather than a whole new page? → SuperPikaPool13 13:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Honestly splitting a page will help and solved two problems and makes more easy to find certain stuff because lets face, more exclusive Pokémon Go forms will come there for making it bigger and bigger.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that it would be a subpage of this page. This page is more of an overview of which forms exist and their properties. The GO section goes into a lot of detail about how to obtain each form, due to how GO's mechanics work. I feel like the scope is slightly different, which is part of the reason I think it should be split in the first place. --SnorlaxMonster 00:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Cosplay Pikachu's costumes

While doing some research on the various different forms of Pokémon, I discovered that the different costumes worn by the Cosplay Pikachu (the Rock Star form, the Pop Star form, etc.) are not actually registered as separate forms by the Pokédex. Cosplay Pikachu itself is, but the costumes are not. Given that, previously, not being registered by the Pokédex meant that the form in question was not included in this article (as was the case with Arceus and Genesect), I think the costume forms should be removed, or at the very least moved. Instead, maybe a new section could be made for costume Pokémon, sorta like the form-like transformations It could also include the costume Pokémon from Pokémon Go, along with the various costumes/haircuts used by the Partner Pokémon in the Let's Go games. The last one especially should be somewhere because, information on the types customization of the Partner Pikachu and Eevee doesn't seem to be anywhere on the wiki. Iml908 (talk) 04:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


Should Indeedee and it's female counterpart be considered different formes? They have different dex entries in Sword/Shield and different learnsets, along with different stats. LittEleven (talk) 08:41, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

No, they're gender differences and are already listed in that page.Animaltamer7 (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I think historically, form differences aren't listed here when they happen to be gender differences. Anyway, they could probably be mentioned here (at a minimum). Nescientist (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Flabébé or Floette?

It is said on this page: "In Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, wild Flabébé appear in Alola's three meadows, with the color of wild Flabébé's flowers depending on the meadow's flowers' color (Yellow Flower in Melemele Meadow, Red Flower in Ula'ula Meadow, Blue Flower in Poni Meadow); Orange and White Flower Flabébé exclusively appear as allies called in an SOS Battle, and can be called by any Flabébé regardless of location."

However, Flabebe appears only at Melemele Meadow - Yellow Flabebe, that's right. Thing about SOS call is right about it.

Ula'Ula meadow sponds only Floette - Red Floette, which can call Red, White, Orange Floette. Poni Meadow sponds only Blue Floette, which do not call for help. Also Red Flower Floette is the only Floette that calls for help as Blue, White and Orange have a call rate of 0 and Yellow does not appear in the wild.

Somebody needs to check structure of this phrase because Flabébé/Floette with SOS allies/Floette without them are three different parts. Okay, my try.

"In Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, wild Yellow Flower Flabébé appear in Melemele meadow, Orange and White Flower Flabébé exclusively appear as ??its?? allies called in an SOS Battle. Wild Red Flower Floette appear in Ula'ula Meadow, Orange and White Flower Floette exclusively appear as ??its?? allies called in an SOS Battle and do not call for help. Wild Blue Flower Floette appear in Poni Meadow with no possible allies/and do not call for help. Itan (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Rotom and Forgetting Special Moves

The section on Rotom mentions "In Generation IV and V, if Rotom forgets the move that is tied to its appliance form, it changes back into its normal form." I asked some people to test if this was actually true in the Generation IV games, and none of their Rotom changed back to normal Rotom after forgetting the move. I found a video online for Generation V that disproves it. Granted, one of the people I asked had a modded save file and pokeaim also seems to have modded some things, but it seems like this statement just isn't true. Could anybody else test this and confirm? Tyonfupa (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Shadow/Boss Giratina

The one from Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. Seems to pass as a special unobtainable form similar to Eternamax Eternatus. Nelmir206 (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Zacian and Zamazenta

Isn't their Behemoth attack forms counted as a form-like transformation? Nelmir206 (talk) 01:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Creation trio formes

Should the Dialga and Palkia forms be a part of Giratina section as both forms are the same like Giratina. I feel it makes more sense to add as one like with The Forces of Nature.--Jacob9594 (talk) 14:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


Why isn't Spinda on this page? CrazyPikmin (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe it's because Spinda's forms are not recognized by the dex (unlike forms like Unown, Alcremie, Arceus, etc). it's also why Spinda isn't stated to be the mon with the most alternate forms in its page. i mean, i think it's fair enough on Game Freak since it would be a nightmare to have a catalog that's 4,294,967,296 large.Anzasquiddles (talk) 16:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Which Learnsets Should Be Listed?

A few Pokémon with form differences have also had their learnsets change with new games and generations. Most of these list their most recent learnsets, so should the others be updated as well? In particular, Lycanroc has a completely different learnset in Sword / Shield and Shaymin has a different learnset in Brilliant Diamond / Shining Pearl. Exempt-Medic (talk) 17:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Burmy No Cloak

There was official Sugimori art for Burmy without its cloak released in the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon era. Not a form that exists within any of the main games of course (I can't remember if we actually see it in Detective Pikachu (3DS) off the top of my head), but a variant nonetheless. I'm aware it's also shown up in the anime and manga.

Judging by the placement of the white cheeks just diagonally beneath the eyes when it is without a cloak and how much of the cheek area is visible particularly when in its Sandy and Trash Cloaks, I'd suggest that it seems to undergo at least a slight physical change on its body when it wears a cloak in that it's white cheek spots seem to disappear.

Cheek spots aside though, Burmy is unavailable in anything other than Plant, Sandy, or Trash Cloaks in the main games and so a Burmy 'No Cloak' couldn't be assigned to Plant, Sandy, or Trash Cloak regardless of what cloak it may have worn before/wear after as it is known that it makes its cloak based on its environment and is not predisposed one way or another.

I'd suggest that even if it is decided that this doesn't qualify as a separate form/variant (which I think it probably should albeit perhaps lacking an official name?), that it is at least mentioned here in some capacity, and the USUM Sugimori artwork of a cloakless Burmy be shown under the Burmy section.

Whilst at first glance, this would appear to also bring up an issue with Wormadam, I believe the Diamond and Pearl Pokédex entries (among others) actually confirm that the cloak becomes part of Wormadam's body, so I imagine it doesn't have a cloakless variant, which may be worth mentioning also.

(Of course, Mothim has no cloak at all, so it has no relevance here.) ShinyPatch (talk) 14:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

P.S. Just to add that the file for the Sugimori art came behind found at ShinyPatch (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  • can be found (autocorrect... Ugh...) ShinyPatch (talk) 14:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Smaller page suggestion

Is that e away to make the form difference smaller like say for example a page that include a lsit of all legendary and mythical Pokémon to them selves. As example. Or maybe a page of Pokémon lsit by region to make less longer. What do you guys think?--Jacob9594 (talk) 00:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Could divide it up by region or separate those form differences that have only appeared in one Main Series generation. There are other suggestions that would work as well. --Super goku (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
My idea is to divide this page by condition if forms are interchangeable or not.--Rocket Grunt 11:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
By Generation/Region seems a better plan, because some of these forms are interchangeable in one game, but immutable in another. Atrius97 (talk) 05:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Like with Ultra Necrozma for example, it was only usable for one game and then cut off completely in Gen 8.--Jacob9594 (talk) 06:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
I think splitting the page by generation feels like the better option. Animaltamer7 (talk) 09:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Splitting by region/generation seems like the right direction, but might be confusing. For example:

  • Tauros didn't get multiple forms until Paldea, but the base Pokémon debuted in Kanto. Do we put Tauros in the Kanto subpage, or the Paldea subpage?
  • Basculin had two forms in Unova, but then got a third form in Hisui. Do we put Basculin in both the Unova and Hisui subpages?
  • Pichu was introduced in GSC, which is Johto, gen 2. But Spiky-eared Pichu exists only in HGSS, which means it's Johto, but gen 4.
  • Pikachu was introduced in Kanto, gen 1. Cosplay Pikachu is only in ORAS, which is Hoenn, but gen 6. Partner Pikachu is only in LGP, which is Kanto, but gen 7.

Splitting by range of Pokédex numbers is probably the least-ambiguous way of doing it, I think. Natdex numbers for a specific species never change (even if they get a new form later), and a range of natdex numbers can represent each region/generation splits somewhat. So we could have subpages for 1-151, 152-251, 252-386, 387-493, 494-649, 650-721, 722-809, 810-905, 906-1008. --Boblers (talk) 04:51, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I feel like it could be split up by specifically debut generation, and forms only go in the section of the generation they debuted in. Have separate pages be a range of generations, so one page is something like Gen 1-5, next is 6-10, and then sort more inside of the generation sections for things like megas, regionals, etc. Pokemon like Basculin would have their original forms only in the "Generation 5" section, while the Hisui form is in "Generation 8". Same with something like Pikachu: have the cosplays in gen 6, Alola partner caps in gen 7, and the world cap Pikachu in gen 8. For regional forms like Tauros, put the original in the gen 1 section and the Paldean ones in a gen 9 section. To me all the forms of a specific pokemon don't necessarily have to placed together and there doesn't really need to be information on which games a form is in other than the debut ones, since a Pokemon's individual species page, the Mega Evolution page, and the Regional forms page already do that. Though of course it would make sense to note if something was exclusive to a specific generation/game. Ruinedstego (talk) 05:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
I think the Legendary/Mythical option is the best, it is the least confusing. Also, Legendaries/Myhticals have formes and not forms CrazyPikmin (My Edits) 12:21, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
That's not strictly true, Keldeo (mythical) has 'forms' while Aegislash (non-mythical/legendary) has 'formes'. I would also endorse the idea of a split based on debut generation of either the Pokemon itself or specific form(s); it seems like the best method for futureproofing to keep the split articles from having this issue again down the line (as more forms are added over future generations). Driftin Soul (talk) 18:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

(resetting indent) To be honest, I'm not a big fan of splitting this page. I've proposed a plan to expand both Forms and Evolution on species pages at Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Structure#Upgrading forms and evolution, so that hopefully we can trim a bunch of fat here. Comments are welcome. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:47, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

That would be useful and a unique situation. Plus saves a lot of backtracking and easier to find.--Jacob9594 (talk) 16:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


Should Cyclizar be added under "form-like transformation", as it too has some equivalent to the ride mode that shows up in the game? WOLKsite (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Only if it actually shows up as a separate form during datamining. (I have no idea whether it does or not.) Blueapple128 (talk) 05:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Update incoming

Hi everyone. The form differences page is going to be undergoing major construction soon. All form data has been moved to each Pokémon's species page under a section titled Form data i.e. what you would find under Rotom has been moved to its Form data section on its species page. As such, I'd advise any updates be made to a particular species' Form data section instead of on the Form differences page, as updates to the Form differences page may be lost in the upgrade. Thank you! Landfish7 08:46, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Legend Plate Arceus

Does Arceus, after using the Legend Plate, belong in "Technical Forms"? HOME seems to treat it as a form internally (there's 19 Arceus models, the first and last both having the appearance of the "Normal-type"), and the game would need to track it somehow after all. WOLKsite (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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