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The random Pokemon thingy

can I have it? I cant edit my userpage yet but once I can it might look nice there. - unsigned comment from Latias1290 (talkcontribs)

Go ahead and use it if you want (once you have userspace rights). --SnorlaxMonster 14:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Thx :) - unsigned comment from Latias1290 (talkcontribs)


It's lacking the two fields for those version-exclusive Pokémon from Diamond and Pearl. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

To my knowledge this only applies to Magby/Elekid, whose pages already seem to have a different method of handling it. Is it needed? --SnorlaxMonster 11:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Glameow has Cheri Berry, and is exclusive to Pearl. Stunky holds Pecha, exclusive to Diamond. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Version exclusives' held items, not version-exclusive held items. Updated. --SnorlaxMonster 12:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Not exactly. Changing "dp1" to "d1" for Mightyena gave me Soothe Bell instead of Pecha Berry. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC) PS. And yes, field has Pecha Berry (with 5%; while Soothe Bell has... 100%). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Should be fixed now. --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

About my new BerryInfobox

Any word on it? I'll probably need to work it back into a template though... --Abcboy (talk) 06:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I haven't gotten it approved (or tried to), no. Making the templates would be a good idea though. Maybe use {{berries color}} rather than the blue that's already there though? --SnorlaxMonster 11:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
I've changed all but the Berry locations template to use the Berry colors. To make it support both Berries exclusive to Generation III and those exclusive to Generation IV and beyond, practically all of them are completely collapsed. --Abcboy (talk) 18:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Something else: should we have Sevii Isle 1 redirect to Kindle Road or is that too much of a stretch? Also, should the list of routes reflect the index number ordering? --Abcboy (talk) 22:23, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Go ahead and put all the templates on their own pages; unfortunately only the Editorial Board can authorize userspace policy exclusions, so I suggest you ask one of them. Once you've given the templates their own subpages, fix up the Pecha Berry example you made; it's hard for people to really judge it if you haven't got it set up completely. As for Sevii Isle redirects, I doubt anyone would be searching using them so I don't think they're necessary. I don't like the number of things the List of routes in the Pokémon world includes anyway, but I suppose reflecting the internal ordering would be a good idea. --SnorlaxMonster 06:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Werdnae has given me permission to grant you an exemption from the userspace limit for splitting the templates off your page. --SnorlaxMonster 06:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll get that done soon. --Abcboy (talk) 20:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Hey, can you tell me whether the following situations are worthy of their own warning templates?
  • Editing a page multiple times but in different sections each time
  • Not using link templates
  • To use better grammar/spelling
  • Having userspace content in the user talk namespace
  • Adding something, removing it, then adding it back
I could easily type up a message for each of these, but some of them are prevalent enough that I have to type them out repeatedly. Any opinions? --Abcboy (talk) 00:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Editing a page multiple times but in different sections each time - maybe
  • Not using link templates - sure
  • To use better grammar/spelling - no, because this typically requires pointing out specific issues
  • Having userspace content in the user talk namespace - maybe
  • Adding something, removing it, then adding it back - I don't think it's necessary
Any that you think you want please make in the userspace first. --SnorlaxMonster 13:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

B button glitch removal

I'd like to know your rationale for removing three B-button related glitches from the List of glitches in Generation V page. All three alter the behavior of the NPCs in some way or another that is not listed or mentioned in the games in any way by anybody. Chicobo329 (talk) 11:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Replied on the talk page. I had intended to anyway, but I was going to wait until I had done further cleanup of the page. However, I may have ended up forgetting, so thanks for reminding me. Anyway, I may have been a bit too stern in my edit summary; I know that there had been a debate about it, and it had been removed and readded before (well, a while ago), so I was trying to ensure there was not an edit war. --SnorlaxMonster 16:09, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I read the talk page and this. So you're just going on the safe side! I don't completely agree with the reasoning but I will respect your decision and I certainly start any edit wars over it. Chicobo329 (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

a question

I was wondering about adding a personality section to Zinzolin's page. There is certainly enough to work with there, but I noticed many villians do not have this section. My question is, should I add this section to Zinzolin's page, and possibly others? Icestar649 (talk) 20:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the late response, but we don't usually do personality sections on game characters. I don't think Zinzolin needs one right now, but maybe all game characters could get personality sections at a later time. --SnorlaxMonster 04:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response. Icestar649 (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


Needs to include Pikachu; as it's Berry if traded from RB, and Light Ball if from Yellow. (well, at least it was that way in article before all the changes and splites) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Non-issue. It is already set up for Pikachu (as seen here), and was even set up at the time you sent this message. --SnorlaxMonster 13:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Lacks third field for wilderness in Gen III (Oran Berry; Shuckle has 100%, Raticate* has 50% while Sentret and Zigzagoon have 5%). I would do this myself, but I don't want to break anything on that template. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:12, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you've handled this now. --SnorlaxMonster 13:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon Dream Radar

Yesterday when I was with my friend to whom I've been helping with the Dream Radar stuff, I've had six Items, Six Regular Pokémon, Landorus, and all Five Generation IV legendaries and only the Items and all 6 legendaries went during the first data transfer, so I don't know if more legendaries can be sent. -Tyler53841 (talk) 14:11, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know what would happen if you had more than 6 legendary Pokémon. I'm fairly sure only 6 could be transferred, but I don't know if a new row is added. --SnorlaxMonster 14:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
But in other news I do know that the amount of Dream Orbs collected is what opens the other extensions and with each member of the Kami Trio a lot more is needed for their extensions which will be difficult to pin down correctly. I mean I made two runs during the late night the previous night and I barely got things ready when I went to go meet my friend even with the amount of Dream Clouds I have. If you want you could mention the waiting time for the Dream Clouds since it starts at 45 minutes max, for all clouds to be ready with 4, 25 minute upgrades that increases it up to 145 minutes or 2 hrs. 25 min. I'll take care of the final beam upgrade coloring when I get to it, right now I am over 500 Dream Orbs. -Tyler53841 (talk) 14:23, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
The regeneration time is just one cloud every five minutes. I had read on other sites that they are unlocked with total Dream Orbs (and it is implied in the manual), but it is better not to use other site's info. Unfortunately the amounts are not specified in-game or in the manual. --SnorlaxMonster 14:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Good idea, and by the way I was at least over 3,000 Dream Orbs when I caught Landorus, but there isn't enough proof to accurately estimate each amount without risking speculation. The unlock method for those extensions might just have to use just simple explanations. -Tyler53841 (talk) 14:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for the help and pretty much the Dream Radar page is mostly complete. -Tyler53841 (talk) 03:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

This just in. If you use five play coins from the 3DS, then it can be used to instantly regenerate all of the remaining Dream Clouds that still need to regenerate. Since I don't know much about how to get play coins it is the reason I am sending you a message since I recently got my 3DS and don't have much experience on these matters yet. -Tyler53841 (talk) 01:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that's not already in the article? I knew that you could do that. As for how to get them: the 3DS has a pedometer built into it; if you walk around with the 3DS on in your pocket, you can get up to 10 Play Coins per day. --SnorlaxMonster 02:18, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
That would explain what happened after I forgot to turn the 3DS off, but yeah I checked the article first to avoid sending a pointless message. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Took care of it as best I could, if you wish to improve it go ahead I won't mind. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:37, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Xerneas and Yveltal talk

Can you please check the latest Xerneas and Yveltal talk if you have some spare time? Some nice contents to add and discuss, we'd like to hear you out. Thanks. Tano (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Ghetsis as Royalty

How do you know that it's a translation typo?

Jdogno4 (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Because I got the Japanese text and translated it myself, and it says "loyal". So it coming up as "royal" in English must of have been a typo (you could call it a mistranslation, but I'd rather assume typo since royal and loyal are one character away). --SnorlaxMonster 06:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. Understood. Jdogno4 (talk) 23:49, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Shiny chances

SnorelaxMonster, I was wondering If you could tell me what the chances of obtaining a Shiny Charmander and Shiny Eevee in Pokemon FireRed? Thanks,PokeCat3333 (talk) 12:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)♥

Refer here. While starting a discussion on another topic,do so in a new section.Auraguardian197 14:42, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Two things.

1)As I mentioned earlier, it might be good idea to update the pages for some species not from Unova (the changed exp yield, as currently pages have the Gen IV yield as far as I know, while the EV yield list has Gen V yield)

2)Lum Berry - Not sure if to delete these wild, because none of these Pokémon are legitimately found within a game (with one exception, which can be left out as it's legit). It says "This is in the data. Don't take it out.", but do we list these impossible things (eg. Kingdra for Generation III and IV games) on species' pages? No, we list that here instead, including Berries. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:59, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

  1. We should have notes on List of Pokémon by effort value yield for the new values (I'm not really sure about that situation).
  2. No, I don't think we should list those held items on species pages. Not visibly at least—I don't mind if they're hidden and noted as being hidden because they are unobtainable. --SnorlaxMonster 13:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Thought I fixed that error, but you were right to undo that. I should look more carefully next time before adding back an error I thought I took care of... T_T It happens, I guess. Berrenta (talk) 03:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


Why did you change my userpage pic? Arceus101 (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

The picture there was low quality and unused elsewhere. Since we don't allow personal images, it was deleted so I replaced it with another image of Pikachu (although the image I removed was not the original image anyway; Spriteit had replaced your original image with it when it was deleted for being a personal image). --SnorlaxMonster 08:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


Looks like 173penguin, who happens to be new at the website... well, I think you remember the story, as recently you undid many prejudicial edits by him to the Missingno. page. But he didn't understand, so did the same thing again, with a much bigger number of edits (now I've told him on his talk page that he shouldn't do that kind of edits), and now the whole top of the history page (except for a failed attempt of putting an end to that) is covered by less-than-begginer edits. Well, I don't want to manualy undo each edit (would clog up and... you know, probably skip at least one... whatever-it wouldn't be nice), so could you please, as a staff member, revert again to the last edit before all of that and put a quick end to this nightmare? TheOriginalOne 00:18, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I've rollbacked him. I won't leave him a message since you already have and there is another message about the preview button. Also, if you want to undo a lot of edits, rather than undoing them all individually, you can view an old revision then click the Edit tab; this then puts the old revision in the edit box, so you can just save and take the article back to how it was then. --SnorlaxMonster 01:36, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Ah... I just talked to you because I didn't find out how to do it, and so I tought only staff members could rollback on that way... well, anyway, thanks for both things. TheOriginalOne 00:07, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
Just to clarify, only staff can rollback, but the method I provided works for everyone. --SnorlaxMonster 11:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)


Figured it can't hurt to get a staff member's opinion on this, if you don't mind. :) Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

So, I made a template for 7-member stat comparison here, and tested it here, looks good to me. If it's satisfactory all that needs to be done I think is move it to a mainspace template. Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

There were a few parameters using the wrong color (making it really hard to read Umbreon's name due to being in Water blue, for example), but I've fixed them. I also replaced all the align= code with text-align: and margin:auto. I like it and think it should be fine to use. --SnorlaxMonster 11:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Cool. So, do I make the template, or does a staff member have to? Drake Clawfang (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, it appears the bars are not aligning properly for the stats, that is to say, some of the 60 and 65 bars are the same length as the 95 and+ bars and vice-versa. Drake Clawfang (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Fixed that issue and implemented it. There's no rule that only staff members can implement templates, it's just better that they do if the change is controversial or widespread; if unsure, better to check with a staff member. Also, it's a good idea to check with a staff member first if you're inexperienced with templates (like I get the indication you are from your template). --SnorlaxMonster 14:29, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
Aye, why I posted it here. :) I know enough about basic wikia coding (like, I understand how to change the colors and numbers on that template), but the more complex stuff like how you make those bars appear, no idea how that's done. Thanks for cleaning it up. Drake Clawfang (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
It's a bit disappointing that now the template has to be redone to include the Sylveon as well. Oh well, at least it can wait until we get its base stats (which likely won't be until after the release). --SnorlaxMonster 16:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Missing Abilities

Two missing Abilities are quite disturbing me at the momement: Greta's Heracross's Ability, plus the Ability of the wild Electrode that can be encountered at the Battle Pike. I almost saw Heracross's Ability in one video when a Trainer sent out Gardevoir, but obviously it didn't have Trace, so too bad. I think it could be Swarm, since I don't notice any kind of attack boost during status conditions, but I can't be sure if I've missed something. Do you know some person, possibly in Bulbapedia, who could know enough about this, or at least offer some clues, have an access to the Emerald version, or at least something? Thank you. Sorry if I disturbed you in the middle of something important. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't even there, so you didn't disturb me. I have Emerald, but I've never really been that good at the Battle Frontier in Emerald—I got up to Noland and Lucy once each (this is mostly due to my team sucking). I don't personally know anyone who could do this, but all it needs is someone with a cheating device to go into the Battle Frontier and force catch them. The Electrode however I had always assumed would just have a random Ability due to being a wild Pokémon. Greta... it's fairly hard to test that without something like Transform, Trace or Skill Swap unless you're cheating. If anyone knows though, it's probably Jumpman16; he's got a reputation for being pretty experienced with battle facilities. --SnorlaxMonster 11:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Even though it seems that he hasn't been active for a week or two, I'll leave a message on his talk page, and wait for the answer. Arigato! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

usertag error?

I noticed that the "does not like mudkip" usertag when used in a userpage displays the text as "This user does NOT liek Mudkipz". As you can see there are obvious errors but nobody has corrected them. Can you tell me why ? Hope I'm not disturbing you!Auraguardian197 17:28, 9 February 2013 (UTC) --SnorlaxMonster 17:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Got it.Thank you,SM!Auraguardian197 18:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Grammar dispute

Okay, we'll agree to disagree and it will be left on that note. Jdogno4 (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

This reply indicates that you misunderstood the issue. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a mater of fact. And it is a fact that Iris's is just as grammatically correct as Iris'. Choosing to use Iris's or Iris' is a matter of opinion, but the fact that they are both correct is not. Here is the source Jo provided one your talk page, which explains that they are both correct. The Oatmeal has a comic where he points out both are acceptable.
Now since it is a matter of preference as to which is used, the reason we use s's is that it is less ambiguous and easier to template. TTE always liked to point out that James' Carnevine could belong to one person named James or more than one Jame, whereas James's Carnevine belongs to James. Also, templates like {{TP}} and {{OP}} all template in <name>'s <pokemon>, so it makes it far easier to template for the pages if they are titled with s's. --SnorlaxMonster 11:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Tamato Berries on Route 5

Some users have been questioning the availability of Tamato Berries on Unova Route 5 through the Pokemon Breeder. I have received them from her in the past but I never thought it to be an issue where I'd have to get some video proof over it until now. Until I get them again from her and get some video proof (I am trying every day), what can I do to appease the others on the talkpage that seem to want more verification? Should I keep the Tamato information up or remove it? Chicobo329 (talk) 03:30, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

It's quite possible the chances are based on ID number. Anyway, you can soft reset and get different Berries every time, so I tried that a lot but came up with no Tamato Berries. Until we actually get someone getting Tamato Berries again, it's probably best it gets removed. --SnorlaxMonster 11:41, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Random Pokemon Template

May I please use it on my Userpage?TurtleLover1999 (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure. There are a bunch of people already doing so anyway (although I do like it when people ask permission before just taking it). --SnorlaxMonster 16:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!TurtleLover1999 (talk) 22:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


Needs cleaning up because someone didn't check earlier games and now we have a mess with what is new in Gen IV and what actually was there since earlier Generations. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Small question

Do we really need the redirect page Backpack? The command has always been called either BAG, PACK, or ITEMS. TheShinyRoggenrola (talk) 19:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, primarily it is probably for the item in the anime. It doesn't do any harm existing, so I'm fine with it. --SnorlaxMonster 01:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
At the very least, I think it would make a bit more sense to move the redirect to Pack, which would coexist a bit better with the games. TheShinyRoggenrola (talk) 12:43, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
There is now a redirect from pack as well. There is no limit on the number of redirects to a page. --SnorlaxMonster 12:47, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


Needs note for normal Kyurem. While the fusions learn the fusion moves at Lv. 43, normal Kyurem learns instead Scary Face. And since I can't edit it... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:50, 13 March 2013 (UTC) PS. Glaciate could use that note, though it's already mentioned to be normal Kyurem signature. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 13:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Not really evident and "slightly opinionated"?

What do you mean by "not really evident" in relation to Arceus' behavior? Jdogno4 (talk) 05:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

What is "slightly opinionated" about Arceus'(M12) personality and characteristics? Jdogno4 (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

"intelligent, heroic and benevolent" are all subjective, unless they are used officially. And I don't think those traits were overly evident in the movie either. --SnorlaxMonster 10:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Redone GB Sounds article

Do you like it? Your template needs some improvements, though. The Dream World artwork should be an optional parameter and there must be a way to specify that an item is only available in a given generation. SatoMew 17:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, I tried performing the GB Sounds glitch on my European English HeartGold and it seems to be fixed. So you might want to check that out on the American English and other localizations to confirm if it is only present in the Japanese versions. SatoMew 00:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Overall I like your page; I hadn't really planned for it to be used on pages without artwork (most items have DW art, key items in Gen V have key item obtain sprites, and most other key items at least have some form of artwork like the Old Sea Chart). I've set up the template to include an exception for items with no art, but it doesn't look as nice anymore.
I have done the glitch before in my Australian version (which is probably the same as the European one), and just tried it then and it worked. I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to get it to work originally (see User talk:TheOriginalOne#GB Sounds glitch, and that's not the only conversation we had about it), but it does occur. Chances are the issue you're having is the same as mine was: the glitch will not occur if you use the GB Sounds as a registered item; you must open the Bag and use it from there. --SnorlaxMonster 14:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I understand your concern about the template kinda losing its charm but it doesn't look that bad either, in my opinion. Now all you need to add is a parameter to specify that the item is only available/present in a single generation. In the case of the GB Sounds, this would instead read "Only in Generation IV" as opposed to "Introduced in Generation IV" (disregarding the fact that it is present in the internal data of the Generation V games, of course).
I don't have the GB Sounds registered so I always called it from the Bag when attempting to perform the glitch. I also made sure no wild Pokémon encounters took place and the glitch still didn't work. Maybe it has to do with the tiles you Surf on between Route 20 and Cinnabar Island, since I always kept at least one tile from the border between the locations. SatoMew 18:49, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
(Funny, I found a conversation that is somehow a repetition of what happened between me and SnorlaxMonster more than one year ago) Well, are you SURE you did turn on the GBS while SURFING at one of the locations, and off while STILL SURFING in THE OTHER ONE? Or are you even sure you didn't have in turned on in Cinnabar and Route 20 before trying to do this and since you had flown there for the last time? TheOriginalOne 23:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I followed the instructions from the linked YouTube video in the article where the glitch is documented. SatoMew 00:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, the simplest way I can get it to work is to simply go to Route 20 with normal music, open the Bag and turn the GB Sounds on, close the Bag and menu then open the Bag again and disable it (all while surfing); this results in instant silence. If that doesn't work, I don't know what the problem is. - unsigned comment from SnorlaxMonster (talkcontribs)
I guess I found out what I was doing wrong so I attempted the glitch again and it worked. So yeah, it's confirmed to be present in both Japanese versions and all worldwide English releases. However, other localizations might have it fixed. SatoMew 13:59, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The European versions were the last ones. Or did you want to test the korean version? (it's older anyway) There are many glitches that are much more easily noticed than this one and that are not corrected tough. My discovery was just luck (a glitch that was just discovered 2 years after the game first came out), and this glitch isn't particularly important anyway. There are a lot of glitches registered in bulbapedia. Do you think we individually test each of them on all the versions of the same game, including the korean one, which is normally the last to come out? TheOriginalOne 16:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I didn't imply any of that. But the reason I brought it up is because certain glitches do get fixed in the localizations, like at least some of what I collectively call "overworld sprite repositioning glitches" (old man on the roof in Cinnabar Island, etc.) in Generation I. SatoMew 18:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but the European localization was the last one for HGSS. TheOriginalOne 20:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Template edit

Sorry, but I'm that kind of guy who just likes to rush into action, without going through some boring, long, time-taking, eternal discussions first. And besides, it was an OK edit, right? What do I need to do to make it approved? PLEASE!! I would at least SOMETIMES get to make some cool, BIG edits without someone getting in my way with details like this! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:45, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
PS. Sorry about that, but, I'm just a little sensitive about these "nasty surprises" that Bulbapedia sometimes has to offer. So anyway, could you please answer what do I have to do in order to get my (completely mature and OK) edit back up again?

I agree, things tend to sit in "discussion phase" for far too long on Bulbapedia (see all my proposed stuff in my userspace). I actually have another design of that template, and I think it's best to submit the idea and see what people think before making a change that affects a huge number of pages (and the template in question should have been protected anyway, something which I have now fixed). --SnorlaxMonster 12:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Your template suggestion was not bad, but I think that my version made it more clear which game had which leaders. So, if you could be so nice, please give my suggestion at least a thought, okay? :D --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Marked +-+-+/Learnlist templates

Someone might wanna do something with this. It's lying there, untouched for a while. I am not sure if it's exactly... good (since I could miss a small thing that's damn important for fully correct functionality), but it might be good idea to update old movesets to the Gen V's standard. It'll make stuff less confusing.* Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I like it. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon Mobile System GB stuff

Compatible software

We should make a table of compatible Mobile System GB software (not the Pokémon version, that is) but I'm not sure how exactly.

PokéCom Center-related

GS Ball event

The reason why I put the incomplete notification on the section for the events held by the PokéCom Center is because I'm not sure of the following:

  • The true name of the minigame known as "Chieko Dice" as I don't see it being called that way (see below);
  • The so-called "ten card quiz" may be incorrect as I see the quiz involving 5 questions for the April 2001 event and 8 for the May 2001 event, as described here and here, respectively.

Those links also refer to the minigame as 「チエコ」にサイコロ, with サイコロ being the Japanese term for the dice game. It also mentions that チエコ Chieko is from Azalea Town.

To put it simply, we do know there was a minigame involving dice and that there were quizzes but we're not sure on the minigame's name and the actual amount of questions in the quiz or quizzes.

Trade Corner info

It probably needs expansion based on this unused English text (taken from the text dump I have—it's probably missing internal placeholder strings; I also adapted the text and replaced the caps with the <sc> tag):

Hello! Welcome to PokéCom Center Trade Corner.
You can trade Pokémon with other people far away.

To make a trade, we must hold your Pokémon.
Would you like to trade?

What kind of Pokémon do you want in return?

Fine. We will try to trade your for .
We'll have to hold your Pokémon during the trade.
Please wait while we prepare the room for it.

Fine. We will try to trade your for a Pokémon that you have never seen.
We'll have to hold your Pokémon during the trade.
Please wait while we prepare the room for it.

Your trade Pokémon has been received.
It will take time to find a trade partner. Please come back later.

Oh? You have only one Pokémon in your party.
Please come back once you've increased the size of your party.

We hope to see you again.

Communication error...

If we accept that Pokémon, what will you battle with?

Sorry. We can't accept an Egg.

Sorry, but your Pokémon appears to be abnormal. We can't accept it.

Oh? Aren't we already holding a Pokémon of yours?

We'll check the rooms.
Please wait.

Thank you for your patience.
A trade partner has been found.

It's your new partner.
Please take care of it with love.
We hope to see you again.

Uh-oh. Your party is already full.
Please come back when you have room in your party.

It's unfortunate, but no one has come forward as a trade partner.
Would you like your Pokémon back?

We have returned your Pokémon.

It's unfortunate, but no one has come forward as a trade partner.
We've held your Pokémon for a long time. As a result, it is very lonely.
Sorry, but we must return it to you.

We hope to see you again.

Fine. We will continue to hold your Pokémon.

Oh? You left your Pokémon with us only recently.
Please come back later.

We'll Save before connecting to the Center.

Which Pokémon do you want to trade?

Sorry, but we must cancel the trade.

Odd Egg

Same as above.

I see you have an Egg Ticket!
It's a coupon that special people can redeem for a special Pokémon!

Let me give you a quick briefing.
Trades held at the Trade Corner are between two trainers who don't know each other's identity.
As a result, it may take time.
However, an Odd Egg is available just for you.
It will be sent to you right away.
Please choose one of the rooms in the Center.
An Odd Egg will be sent from the chosen room.

Please wait a moment.

Thank you for waiting.
We received your Odd Egg.
Here it is!
Please raise it with loving care.

I'm awfully sorry.
The Egg Ticket exchange service isn't running now.

Pokémon News Machine

It's a Pokémon News Machine.

What would you like to do?

Pokémon News is news compiled from the Save files of Pokémon trainers.
When reading the News, your Save file may be sent out.
The Save file data will contain your adventure log and mobile profile.
Your phone number will not be sent.
The contents of the News will vary depending on the Save files sent by you and the other Pokémon trainers.
You might even be in the News!

Would you like to get the News?

Reading the latest News... Please wait.

There is no old News...

The News data is corrupted.
Please download the News again.

We're making preparations.
Please come back later.

We will Save your progress before starting the News Machine.

It's all for now but it's already more than enough! SatoMew 17:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I do intend to get back to you (and all the other outstanding comments on my talk page), but I'm currently very busy and going away over Easter. Sorry for making you wait; I'll try to get back to you soon. --SnorlaxMonster 13:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I did the table over a year ago, but never replied about it here. I also wasn't too sure what to do with your PCC info, so I put it on the talk page at the same time. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Naming conventions for glitch pokémon sprites

Recently I've been very confused about this. I read what was stipulated here, and immediately noticed that it wasn't being followed on most images. There were many different models on those uploads - how I wish autoconfirmed users could move pages on the archives just like in bulbapedia... WAIT! Before you start doing anything, let me tell you why am I really concerned on this matter, which is the defect of the current convention: what about pokémon with more than one front/back sprite? Maybe putting a "2" at the end of one, but... what about Missingno.? Its sprite depends on the hexadecimal! In addition, there are a few glitch pokémon that share the same dex number... on the same game! And a possible other defect: are there any glitch pokémon that can either be shiny or not?

So, would you agree with, before a mass move of pages, changing the convention to "[game]Glitch[hex][_b][_2].png"? TheOriginalOne 23:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I came up with that as a convention for the files to be moved to and to use when uploading new ones; I haven't had time to move them all to the new convention (and generally leave menial tasks like that to other people). Apart from Missingno., glitch Pokémon in the Generation I and II games should only have one front and one back sprite. The standard is how they appear in battle; other sprites just aren't used. I don't think the _2 convention is necessary. Missingno.'s extra sprites are taken from other parts of the game (Fossil sprites and the ghost sprite) and follow those naming conventions rather than the glitch ones. Also, Missingno.'s other forms don't have a static Pokédex number; they copy what the Pokémon loaded had. As for its forms in Yellow... they should have different Pokédex entries. I really wish I had a Gen I game so I could accurately evaluate these kind of things, but unfortunately I don't. --SnorlaxMonster 11:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Nintendo Space World '97 flyer

The flyer

I found this old flyer for Nintendo Space World '97 on an archived 2ch thread, I believe. Then reverse-searched the image to find a copy in better resolution and quality. It seems to be announcing the Mew event at NSW '97 but I'm not sure. And I don't know where this could be used so I'm asking you to take a look at it, if you don't mind. SatoMew 22:24, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Me and SnorlaxMonster worked together to do the event page revamp, and events are a specialty of mine so I should be able to help a little. Based on the Space World '97 text from the official site, it is defiantly a poster detailing the Nintendo Space World '97 Mew. Also the poster does say that at most 10,000 people will receive Mew. However most text is still very small for translation, but the bottom appears to be describing the postcard submission process. It should be noted there appears to be a discrepancy in dates though, the offical site says November 22 to 24, 1997 while the poster appears to say November 22 to 23, 1997. As for the location of the poster, I would say somewhere on this page but I can't say where for certain. Lady Ariel 00:14, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
If the dates are inconsistent, it should be mentioned. Also, just a small correction: the referred number is 100,000 instead of 10,000 because 10万 is 10×10,000 or 104 ( means ten thousand). It's the same situation with the Japanese name of Thunderbolt. SatoMew 14:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
It looks like we ended up working out that the distribution was actually extended. Also, I added the flyer to the page. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


ForceFiretold me that I should talk to you. I created a glitch page in Pokemon Rumble Blast.Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

That would belong here, but I had someone who actually owns the game (I don't) to try it out and it didn't work apparently. If you can provide more detail so that it is repeatable, please do so (although preferably on the talk page). --SnorlaxMonster 13:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Archive Red Link

I noticed in your 6th archive, there is a red link to a nonexistent page (Unova Pokérap). Think you could fix that? :-) Frozen Fennec 03:31, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 13:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Sky Drop Glitch

I tested the Sky Drop glitch on the Battle Subway's Double Lines in Black 2 and White 2 and the glitch activated. Not sure about link battles with other games though. Even if you think the glitch has been "fixed" we at least mention the glitch still works in the Battle Subway? --Relicant (talk) 13:06, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I tried in dark grass. I think it is worth mentioning that it still occurs in the Battle Subway though. B2W2-B2W2 link battles and the PWT are probably worth testing too though (and B2W2-BW link battles if it doesn't occur during B2W2-B2W2 link battles). --SnorlaxMonster 13:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Added Gen I and II names. These are Japanese ones. I will also upload HGSS pictures (and BW pictures) after I get them. What about Japanese name of pockets? I guess I could get the Free Space since it's not a standard pocket. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added their Japanese names to the page. I like the idea of adding Japanese names of the pockets too. --SnorlaxMonster 11:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Gah. HGSS is hard. Without Ethan (probably also applies to Lyra), some look odd, to the point that eg. Medicine pocket would normally look WITH Ethan. Any idea what to do with them? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:06, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
If it looks weird without Ethan, then just include him. --SnorlaxMonster 12:23, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Japanese names (Gen IV and V seems clear enough, if Gen II and III aren't, try pasting the screenshot from link in Paint). Would post yesterday, if not for the fact that it was too big to see things clearly and didn't had time to split into several (I didn't check Japanese HGSS or BW though, nor english B2W2 so no idea if it differs, though Gen IV has Status Healers from in-battle menu while BW retranslated it as Status Restore in; it seems this is English-only change unless I missed a small detail) The icon on Battle Bag can be in at least red (when checked on English version) and purple (when checked on Japanese one), no idea how exactly it works... well since this is done, I can upload bag sprites/looks, yay. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC) PS. HGSS done (well I would do that earlier but internet denied cooperation), now Unova games. Also, did you check the names I linked? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm guessing those images used to be the Japanese names of the Bag pockets. I added them to the page over a year ago, although I never mentioned it here. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

AvailabilityGlitch template.

This template has sections for all generations I-V, but a split might be better for it. I'm thinking that the template should be split into two, one being Gen. I and II, the other being Gen. III-V. I think this because Gen. II and III cannot be linked together in any way, thus causing it to be impossible for a glitch to be related between them. What are your thoughts? --×Rsrdaman× 04:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Glitch Pokémon are now using the standard availability template, since it is much more customisable and allows only a single generation to be listed (as glitch Pokémon need). --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

A missing thing needed

I just noticed that despite Mewtwo having a portrait in Pokémon Stadium, it seems that the portrait hasn't been uploaded to Bulbapedia, so do you know any active user who's good at uploading game images? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you ended up finding it yourself. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Number Disambiguation

I had started changing the number disambiguation pages to say Pokédex number instead of Regional Pokédex number since it mentions national dex as well, and ArcToraphim had undone my edits, so I asked him about it on his talk page, and he said that I should talk to a Bureaucrat about it before changing it back, so what do you think? -EVsandIVsaurs 20:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit late here, but I think it would be better to list them as "Pokédex" than "regional Pokédex"; "regional" is just a qualifier to clarify that it means Pokédex listings other than the National Pokédex, so it would be unnecessary here. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Barry's templates

I filled Barry's page with the missing team templates, which turned out to take so much space, that there is no room left for templates in the page anymore, making some of the templates incomplete. The team templates take so much space that they won't even fit into a single page, so I'm being pretty helpless here. Would you know what to do? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Due to the new template, this is no longer an issue. (In fact, the subpages should probably be merged back into Barry's page.) --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Just chipping in, I did bring this up hen the teams were updated and the consensus was to leave them at sub pages due to the sheer amount of parties he has. --Spriteit (talk) 02:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Stadium sprites

One thing I just noticed that bothers me: all the Pokémon that appeared in the Stadium games have their sprites from those games uploaded, but they don't fit into the Trainer templates. I think this should be fixed, so do you know any user who could help me with this? Thank you in advance. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

We are working on models now due to Pokémon X and Y. The Stadium models all need to be moved to follow a new naming convention, although that hasn't happened yet. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Red/Blue Back Sprite list

Just made this. I was thinking of getting all 149 backsprites of the R/B Missingno. and making a sortable list. What do you think of the template?--×Rsrdaman× 22:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Are the Missingno. backsprites even always the same? I guess getting the backsprites for each would be good, but I don't see the point in the "name" column. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Why did you undp my Trivia written in Starter Pokémon if the language was not correct you could have corrected it or you should have told me or the Trivia was not upto the mark ,Please kindly state reasons Thanks................. - unsigned comment from Viv (talkcontribs)

As I mentioned in my edit summary, Charmander is not the only Fire-type starter Pokémon that evolves into a Fire/Fighting type; this applies to Cyndaquil too. Only 3/5 Fire-type starter Pokémon evolve into a Fire/Fighting type, so it's not notable. --SnorlaxMonster 09:06, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh! sorry I forgot about Cyndaquil well you hadn't written Edit summary you can check anyways thanks...............--viv (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's the edit I made, with an edit summary. --SnorlaxMonster 09:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Two things

  • This really needs to be split since they're quite different. Okay, Ranger and PMD ranks are bit similar since you get them by doing missions (though the former is plot-related), but I can't really get any relation of these to the Contest Rank.

Marked +-+-+

PS.Also, why Template:AbilityInfobox isn't updated for Mystery Dungeon?*. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks like I split Rank over a year ago, but never mentioned it here. I have now added those items to the navigation template. The Ability Infobox does not support PMD descriptions because PMD stuff usually should not be mixed with core series stuff. IMO the PMD description needs a separate spot on the page. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


why do i have to keep on saying this POKEMMO IS NOT A HACK!!!!!!!!!!Kingsisle (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

What PokéMMO? The only one I know is (heavily) based on FireRed and LeafGreen. Also, please put new entries on bottom on the page, not the top. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

it is not baised it is fire red the only thing it changes is the battle music and being an MMO - unsigned comment from Kingsisle (talkcontribs)

That it is an MMORPG and not a hack does not change the fact that it infringes on Nintendo's intellectual property. It will not get an article. Werdnae (talk) 01:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

It would not have even been released if it was a copyright infringement. Also it has permission FROM NENTENDO to even exist. Hacks are not infringement unless someone sells it then it is considered piracy. It's taking advantage of someone else's creativity.Kingsisle (talk) 16:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hellooooooooooooooo did you even read the message I put here?Kingsisle (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

It is certainly copyright infringement. It will not be getting an article. I very much doubt your claim that there is permission from Nintendo. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Whenever I see a Pokémon episode in japanese on <name removed> or any other website after the end of the episode I don't get the Japenese ending theme Why? or the endings are not shown at the eand of the episode--Viv (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Please do not name places to watch the episodes illegally. As for why, it's not a legal distribution channel, so whoever put it there decided not to bother with that part. If it were legal, they wouldn't cut the credits off. Werdnae (talk) 18:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Legendary birds.

On their article it is said they are referred by this name... Was the term "legendary birds" ever officially used? If not, then we may do the same thing we did with muskeeters after their official name was revealed (using the official name when mentioning them, but putting a note in the article about the popular fandom nickname for them). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessarily an official name for the trio. I feel like it's more him describing them (especially since official names tend to be capitalized). --SnorlaxMonster 14:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Still, we should put the Japanese variant on page since it says only "winged mirages" and no mention of what it was in original. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
The Japanese says まぼろしのつばさ, which I would translate as "phantom wings", and he does use it as if it is their name there. Still not sure about a move though. I'll add the Japanese to the page though. --SnorlaxMonster 14:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

New glitch

Friend, I believe that I have discovered a glitch in Generation I that is not yet noted on the glitch article. It is as minor as it could be, but nonetheless I think it deserves attention. Please get back to me. Erythro (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Could you provide more detail please? --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Certainly; thank you. When one mounts the Bicycle in Victory Road, the Bicycle music, of course, plays, supplanting the ordinary Victory Road music. I have found that if one falls through a hole in Victory Road, the Bicycle music will continue to play on the lower level, even though the player is no longer riding a Bicycle. The bike theme stops once the player enters and leaves a battle, and the normal cave music resumes. It is more of a quirk than a glitch, but I have never before seen it mentioned and thought you might like to know. Erythro (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I found a terrible quality YouTube video that shows what you mentioned. Once I find out if it occurs in Yellow, I'll be able to add it to the page in the correct spot. --SnorlaxMonster 17:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much; and thanks also for the welcome message on my talk page. I am sorry that I do not own a working copy of Yellow, otherwise I could check for you; I found the glitch in Red. Erythro (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Terribly sorry for eavesdropping but since I own Yellow version in both English and Japanese I can test it on those versions if you wish. --ZestyCactus 17:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey so I forgot I restarted my English Yellow version a while ago, so the file got swiped clean and I'm not as far as Victory Road yet. I finished the game in Japanese though so I went there and the Bicycle music didn't play at all! I went on and off the bike in the Indigo Plateau and outside the cave and it only played the cave/plateau music. I didn't hear the bike music at all. Very weird!! --ZestyCactus 22:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I hope that it is all right if I reply to you! Thanks very much for checking on the new glitch; maybe the issue in the Japanese Yellow is a quirk in itself. Erythro (talk) 01:44, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Question regarding merchandise articles and pertinence

During my random paging, I had come across numerous merchandise articles, ranging from gashapon figures, to trading figures, to a few licensed toys. After a very quick search and look in the figures category, I noticed that there were no indications of the Bandai D-arts figure line. I happen to own one of the figures (Mewtwo) and would like to possibly create an article regarding that figure line, provided with proper sources and press releases, which I can acquire elsewhere.

That said, is there a specific protocol to merchandise articles? Would such an article be necessary? The D-arts line is relatively new, as the first figure (Mewtwo) was released in March, after an announcement in October. Blastoise and Charizard were also announced for the line. So, if you could enlighten me on the proper protocol for merchandise articles, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Trak Nar (talk) 09:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Basically, if it's officially licensed and produced in a reasonable quantity, then it would qualify for an article. The thing is that in most cases merchandise isn't widely promoted, and it isn't usually something people go out of their way to write articles for.
As for how to format the article, I can't exactly describe it, but what I usually do is find an article on a similar topic and format the new article like that one (although often I then decide I want things a different way and edit the first article as well). --SnorlaxMonster 10:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Though I was able to import my figure through Big Bad Toystore, and others had used similar importers, as far as I know, the line was intended to be distributed primarily in Japan. However, a contact of mine did mention that an import store that he frequents had stocked the figures, so there is a level of overseas distribution. As far as I know, it is due to a licensing deal with Bluefin, which I assume handles the imports. I will need to double-check that.
These figures are not necessarily mass-market merchandise, but rather licensed high-end collectibles. Mewtwo cost me around $60, and that was just after release. Pre-orders went around $50-60, and after-market values have increased to over $100. So, in terms of uniqueness, the line could qualify for an article on the grounds of it being marketed toward collectors, rather than children. The figures themselves are highly-articulated and average in size around six inches.
As for the promotion, I would need to double-check on that. The line is promoted in Japanese magazines, as far as I know. What those magazines are, I cannot say for certain without further information from several of my sources. Trak Nar (talk) 10:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
We don't usually delete merchandise articles for lack of notability. We're pretty relaxed there. If you think it has enough information to write an article on it, go for it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Just wanted to make sure before I went and did something stupid. Trak Nar (talk) 10:20, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Starter Pokémon template, Eevee Pokémon XD

I was on the Starter Pokémon page and I looked at the template used at the bottom

Starter Pokémon

























Pikachu (player)

Eevee (rival)
Colosseum XD

Espeon and Umbreon

Let's Go, Pikachu!

Pikachu (player)

Eevee (rival)
Let's Go, Eevee!

Eevee (player)

Pikachu (rival)



[[Category:Starter Pokémon|*]]
[[Category:Anime starter Pokémon|*]]

(and I hope posting that doesn't somehow bug out the site)

Anyways I looked at the XD portion and noticed it says Eevee can evolve into any of its Eeveelutions. XD is from Gen III and there were only 5 Eeveelutions around at the time. Shouldn't the template or whatever (I have almost 0 tech skills/knowledge) be changed to reflect this. At the moment it is kind of misleading. I would hate for someone to get a copy of XD and try to get one of its IV or VI Eeveelutions and get frustrated because they can't due to them not existing when the game was conceived. I'm not sure if you're the right person to go to for this, not even sure if your a staff member or have the power to change the template. Yamitora1 (talk) 15:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't even know why "→ Any Eeveelution" is on there to begin with. The other starter Pokémon don't list their evolutions. --SnorlaxMonster 15:05, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I was also wondering that too. Anyways I'm glad its fixed and thanks for the help. Also sorry if I did something wrong with copy-pasting the template code onto your page. I have no idea how this stuff works despite reading tons of stuff to try and educate myself. It just goes over my head. Yamitora1 (talk) 15:18, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I think it was done like that because you're forced to evolve it immediately after the first battle or something. Not saying it should be put back, just that that was apparently the reasoning behind the initial addition of that. Werdnae (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I See, than maybe it should either remain a plain Eevee, or the 5 possible evolution be placed in the box with it? Its kind of a awkward I am more leaning towards leaving it plain.Yamitora1 (talk) 23:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I watched an LP of it, and it seems that someone gives you the evolutionary item of your choice and encourages you to use it on Eevee, but you don't seem to be forced to evolve it. --SnorlaxMonster 06:23, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

new page request

missingno green variation Kingsisle (talk) 16:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

We don't currently have articles for glitch Pokémon in the Japanese games (and it would be Red and Green anyway, not just Green). Once we get decent quality articles for all the English glitch Pokémon, then we can consider Japanese glitch Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 16:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Bot, sock puppet?

I think WMULetha might be a bot or sock puppet. About 2 minutes after creating their account, they created their own talk page and are linking to their webblog. I Don't Know, I might just be paranoid but it seems strange they would know how to create their own talk page in less than 2 minutes, and their chosen user name seems a little...bottish. I thought it would be best to let you know about this just in case. cheers Yamitora1 (talk) 18:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that's a bot. --SnorlaxMonster 18:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, glad that I wasn't being paranoid or baring false witness. {{subst:welcome}} is used to create a user's talk page...maybe we need something we can post on the talk page of suspected bots to bring them to the staff's attention, and for us normal users to help weed these bots out and keep the site and members safe. looking on the recent changes page, I see at least 7 names that look bot-like. Yamitora1 (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I typically only bother with bots that are actually doing stuff. When they do, it's obvious from the Recent Changes, so we don't really need users to help out; that would just add an extra unnecessary step. --SnorlaxMonster 07:03, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


how do normal users raise their rank. it is not on the F.A.Q.Kingsisle (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean become a staff member? Because that is in the FAQ here. If not, then you're going to have to clarify what you mean by "rank". --SnorlaxMonster 19:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Sort of I ment what does the numbers in our contib page mean, also the link page is vaigue i understood some of it but i didn't understand what it ment by chosen. what makes it toware the staff know that someone is eligable to become a staff member? Kingsisle (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC) nothing lasts forever not even life.

There are no strict criteria, it's basically users who we see as responsible and good editors. Staff are typically hired in mass around main series game releases though. --SnorlaxMonster 19:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Question about dub edits

Would dub edits be pertinent to character articles, if the edit is in reference to that character's dialogue? Or, are dub edits only pertinent in the media articles? I ask this because in the original Japanese dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back, Raymond, after his defeat, says in very plain English "OH MY GOD!" That was not the only instance of "Engrish" in the movie, as when Ash is told that the storm is too violent for him to cross the waters with his Pokémon, he responds with a forlorn "damn." Also, upon entering Mewtwo's laboratory and snooping around, when Jessie sits on the computer console, she utters a particular four-letter word. Would any of those changes in dialogue be worth mentioning? Or, are instances of "Engrish" in the original dubs usually ignored in articles? Trak Nar (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any problem with mentioning dub edits on character pages. I thought there was precendent for this, but the best I could find was Melissa. I know Mewtwo was quite different in the Japanese version to the English version. --SnorlaxMonster 13:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin‎

Lol, I already had this kind of problems in the past, and since then I have been more cautious to avoid problems, but I didn't realize that a brief mentioning of y. would be a big deal (not even Wikipedia ha such strict policies), but if my message was wrong, than your removal of it was a good thing. Anyway, back to the main topic: I have the Mewtwo Returns DVD and the voice of adult Mewtwo in "The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin‎" seems to me Addie Blaustein's voice (she also voiced young Mewtwo), but it could also be Phillip Bartlett's voice (I am Italian and I haven't watched the whole first movie in English, just few scenes). What do you think? Do you recognize the voice? --Abcd (talk) 11:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we have to be strict on copyright violations, and certainly moreso than Wikipedia; Wikipedia has way easier access to many skilled lawyers than Bulbagarden does. We need to be extra careful, as we probably do things anyway that already violate Pokémon's copyright, and we just need to stay "in their good books".
I'm not very skilled in VA recognition. I think the credits would be a better choice, although I'm not sure if the DVD does have credits after the short or not, or if there are credits somewhere else. We typically avoid guessing VAs by ear anyway, as we have communication with the VAs themselves and they get annoyed when voices get misattributed due to someone guessing by ear (although they are the DuArt VAs, so they are less likely to know who voiced characters in a 4Kids dub). --SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The DVD doesn't have credits after that short, the only credits present are after "Mewtwo Returns" (and they are just generic "Voice Characterizations by" and "Additional Voices by", without saying who voices who). What you said about guessing VAs by ear may be right in principle, but there must be exceptions: for example I wrote that the adult voice of Mewtwo is Masachika Ichimura at the end of the short, and I only knew that by ear; I am sure that someone that knows American VAs better than me can judge if the voice is Blaustein's or Bartlett's (in the scene where Mewtwo gets older his voice also get older, but it seems to me that it just deepens without changing much, that's why I think that it may be Blaustein). If other people follow our discussion, the problem could be easily solved. --Abcd (talk) 12:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

  • For what it's worth, it sounds like Bartlett's voice, and the dub was made around the time that Bartlett was voicing Mewtwo. Trak Nar (talk) 03:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Voice actor sourcing

I edited the Michele Knotz and Nurse Joy articles to include that Michele Knotz reprized her role as the flash back Kanto nurse, but they were undone and I was asked to source it. How am I suppose to do that? Yamitora1 (talk) 20:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The point is you can't just say that a character was voiced by a specific person without stating how you know that to be the case. Was it in the credits? Did the VA tweet about it? Is it on some cast sheet you have access to? You cannot just assume voice actors, as we are in contact with several of them, and people assuming voice actors results in misatrributions which bothers them. --SnorlaxMonster 04:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Username Violation

I saw a user under the alias of DepecheMode, and I am pretty sure that he/she is an impostor of the Depeche Mode. Spyspotter says… Edit the mainspace, kids! 03:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think they are trying to impersonate the band, just pay a tribute to them. I don't have an issue with it. --SnorlaxMonster 04:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
I see a lot of user accounts being created with random characters. Sounds suspicious... Spyspotter says… Edit the mainspace, kids! 15:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

X and Y animations.

Still frame of what trailer confirms to be Struggle Bug. I remember we added pre-release of B2W2's Ice Burn and Freeze Shock (at least according to upload description), so why not this? (there also appears to be Horn Leech and Flame Charge on site) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, since XY are out at this point, it is on the page now. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Protect Fairy Egg group article

I think it might be a good idea to protect the Fairy Egg Group article in the wake of the newly introduced Fairy-type. Just as a precaution. I would hate for any vandilism or other un-encyclopedic info from being added. Yamitora1 (talk) 14:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

A new section for every Pokémon page: type origin.

At first, um, hello SnorlaxMonster, and I don't know if I'm with the right person to ask this, but if I ain't, then please tell me who could help me. So to start things of: Every Pokémon has a 'Origin' and 'Name Origin' section. These sections mostly include speculation, and are some of the few places on Bulbapedia where that is allowed. But there is one more thing that I, and hopefully others, have really liked to see on Bulbapedia: 'Type Origin'! This would be a section which should include speculation in the same way as the 'Origin' and 'Name Origin' section, but this one would explain why a Pokémon has a specific type(-combination) and/or how a Pokémon is related to a specific type(-combination). So would would Tornadus's Type Origin explain that he is probably a pure Flying-type, because he is able to fly and has to go with Thundurus and Thornadus. But also that he is about windstorms, and the best type to represent 'windstorms' is the 'flying-type'. So Tornadus is actually the 'Windstorm-type' and the 'Being-able-to-fly-type', both of which are represented by the 'flying-type'. So he is actually the flying-type and the flying-type, so because Pokémon can't have the same type twice, he is a pure flying-type. Also Noivern, the 'Sonic Pokémon', is said to produce soundwaves with its ears. And soundwaves are actually vibrations in the air, so we again get the flying-type. And then Noivern is also a Dragon-like creature, so it also needs to be the Dragon-type. But Noivern is mostly about sound, so the flying type comes first. And that is why Noivern has Flying as its primary type. Then Gardevoir has the newly-introduced Fairy-type, because it is based on a Guardian angel. And angels would be represented by the fairy type. Also, some Pokémon own the Water-type, just because they are based on aquatic animals. Not because they actually have anything to do with 'water', that also should be noted. And it should also be noted if a Pokémon is the Fire-type because it is related to Fire itself, Magma, Lava, Heat, Stars, and so on. A reason to be of the Ground-type doesn't really need a Pokémon to be about earth, but also about sand, mud and clay! Jynx is an Ice-type, but not because she is made out of ice! However Regice is also and Ice-type but Regice IS made out of ice. So they got different reasons to be Ice-types! So how about it? Is it a nice idea to add the 'Type Origin' section to the Pokémon pages? By the way, thanks for reading the whole thing if you did... Nickvang (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

  • I made a table for Type Origins on my Userpage, maybe it'll be of your interest. I hope we could add Type Origins on Pokémon pages in the future. And still, if I'm at the wrong place to talk about this, then please let me know. You didn't reply previous time, so I guess its OK to talk about this stuff here? Nickvang (talk) 15:44, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Sounds too speculative to me. If the type is relevant to the basis of the Pokémon, it probably just belongs in the "Origin" section. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

??? type

If the type ??? is retired, would it make it a glitch type cause it is sort of a "glitch"? (because it does not exist?) SebeD11 (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC) SebeD11

It's not in the game. It's not a glitch type because it's not there. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Edit War with User:Duke R

Can you please settle this at User talk:Duke R#Edit_War per this edit.--Landfish7 17:13, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The trivia shouldn't have been there. Looks like this was barely an edit war and resolved by itself though. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Draft of a possible mainspace article

Hi. I noticed we have astonishingly little information about the Habitat List and it's spread out over a gazillion pages, so I wanted to make an article for it to centralize the information. I put together as much information as I could find in other Bulbapedia pages and my own experience with the game, and drafted what the article might look like in my userspace, but I don't know what the protocol is for getting it approved to the mainspace. I was hoping you could help me? Thanks! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Never mind; it looks like Maverick Nate went ahead and moved it. Thanks, Maverick Nate! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Seizure Net Trivia

In the Trivia section of Pikachu's Goodbye, it says

    • The net Team Rocket uses is called the "Seizure Net". This episode is the episode that aired right after the seizure episode in Japan.

Is that true, or did someone insert false trivia because it seems like it.Yamitora1 (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

As Maverick Nate pointed out, it's the other definition of "seizure". It would be a completely different word in Japanese. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Dusclops appears normally in Ruby, so it has Spell Tag on its page. It also appears in Emerald... in Battle Pike. But there is no note for it, only for Pyramid, and since the template is protected... Marked +-+-+ (talk) PS. It appears in both Pyramid and Pike. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found out the note says "Battle Frontier" without specifing what facility. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

redirect please

can you redirect "pokemon island river" to Pokémon Island River? I know its not a very traffic heavy article but it will make travel to it easier for those who don't know how to type out a é Yamitora1 (talk) 18:26, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Funktastic did this. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Habitat List.

Le Japanese name here (I think, that's Habitat List opened in Japanese version). ...I should really learn Japanese. Also the article implies Poké Ball appears after you see/catch mons from that entire area, whereas area has separate Poké Ball for each of the 3 methods. I'd add that myself, but Internet decides to throw 503s at me instead of saving even though it works fine iin other cases. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I only just noticed this comment; thanks for the info! I updated the Poké Ball phrasing, added the Japanese translation (the hiragana translate as "Habitat" in Google Translate, and the last three characters are literally list in katakana, so I think it being a direct translation is a safe assumption even though Google Translate is normally terrible), and uploaded that image to the Archives and added it to the page. I hope doing so is okay copyright-wise; since it's a game screenshot, I believe whomever owns the site it came from doesn't have copyright on it, and we can use it under our fair-use-because-it's-a-game-screenshot clause, right? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Appendix page for Pokérus?

Hey SnorlaxMonster, just wanted to ask your opinion on something. Do you think it would help if an appendix or something could be created that answers all of the questions that end up plaguing the Pokérus talk page? I think it might help reduce comments on the talk page, especially if a notice was attached to both the talk page and editing screen. --Super goku (talk) 08:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

No, that's not what appendix pages are for. If people constantly ask certain questions on the talk page, then it means the article itself isn't clear enough. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Alright. I will look into the article itself then. Thanks for the reply as I had forgotten about this. :) --Super goku (talk) 23:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


Could you delete the redirect User:Relicant/Grimsley's Bisharp? --Reliジーランス? 17:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Pokemaster did this. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Marked +-+-+/List of tutorable moves

I made this nice list (though name probably needs a change since it's not only Move Tutor moves). Besides sorting option, is there anything to add there before (probably) moving to mainspace? Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe "List of teachable moves" for the title? I like it, although I think the slashes should be colored white like the adjacent text, and sortability is definitely necessary. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Horde Battle

Why is there no article on Horde battles? There is not even a stub article to be found. Yamitora1 (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

There is now. --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Team Go-Getters Updated Table Code

Can you take a look at this to see if it is alright to put it on Team_Go-Getters? Thanks. — Reshi643 17:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. I really think that would be better off as a team template though, rather than having all that raw code on the page. It's something I plan to do eventually... --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

4"4 Hy and other glitch stuff

Someone has just moved the page to 4!4 Hy. I can understand why, because of its in-battle name, but I think it's dubious, so I would never make that move myself, and I'm more in favor of the old name. What do you think? Should this be kept? Update: Now someone has moved it to 4 "4Hy! (notice the space...argh!) Update 4: Now someone moved it to 4!4=Hy, just because of that glitch block! Update 7: Was moved to 4 4Hy! HELP ME!!!

Update 2: Two other things:


Update 3: ...two other things:

  • I think I noticed a mistake that prevents us from using the move templates that we use in pages like this one: the template from the middle shows the minisprite for the pokémon with the equivalent pokédex number. This may be good with hybrids, but the problem is that when the glitch pokémon in question has a # higher than 151 the template will display pokémon from the next gen - and yes, I confirmed that it has nothing to do with the JGGlitch. And even in the other cases where the number is different from 000, the glitch pokémon might not always be a hybrid.
    • Even more important than that, why are most of them marked as "000"? Is the article really that incomplete?

Update 5: I was posting move and deletion notices on glitch sprites that didn't follow the naming convention, when I noticed something weird: ♀ . and 'v's sprites are exceptions to the ones of the glitch pokémon that share the same games and #. Now the question is: to which new name should those exceptions be moved?

Update 6: Also, could you please move A to A (C0), as there's another A?

Update 8: And when is Five question marks going to be split? There's no point on keeping it.

Update 9: It would also be a good idea to add a display name option to {{GlitchPkmnInfobox}}, under the other games equivalent title. What I mean is that, for example, in 94 h, it is mistakingly said "Equivalent in Yellow: $ (glitch Pokémon)", instead of just "$" (links to the other one). That's what I'm trying to get fixed.

I really look forward to hearing from you soon, so that issues will not continue accumulating. Thanks. オリナル TheOriginalOne 17:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

4 4Hy's name is C8 FA 61 D3 47 FA 68 D3 87 B8, which converts to  4B  4I Hy (the bold letters evidently are not constant, so should be ignored, making its name  4   4  Hy). Therefore, the name of this particular glitch Pokémon is 4 4 Hy, which should also be the page title.
Many pages with {{Project GlitchDex notice}} should not be in Category:Glitches (e.g. glitch Pokémon, although many of them currently are). I will not much such changes.
I don't really like the idea of a glitch Pokémon Prev/Next template. I don't think it is necessary.
Only battle sprites should be used. Sprites seen after evolution, on the status screen, etc. do not count.
Most of the glitch Pokémon on the List of glitch moves page are listed as 000 so they don't show up as Johto Pokémon. I've made a new template for the page, so this can be changed now.
Any exceptions in sprite naming mean someone got the sprite from the wrong place. The sprites need to be checked again to ensure they are correct.
A (EA) has the name 01 E0 8C 3E 04 E0 8D CD A6 34 which converts to  'M  'N g  (maybe I'm messing up the offset). I'm not confident enough in its name to move the other one.
Five question marks needs to be split. I'm not doing it right now, but I will soon.
I think it is better to keep the parenthetical term visible, because in most cases it distinguishes it from other glitch Pokémon (the example you gave appears to be the only exception). --SnorlaxMonster 17:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, but I've still got a doubt about the last one: since the display names default is always the actual name of the page, I don't think this measure would mess anything with the "<name> (<hex>)" links, since they would stay there if we left the display variable empty. However, if we upgrade the template, we can fix that page, without any disadvantages and making the wiki slightly better. I know it would be slightly: but it would still be better. And I think we should focus on that. オリナル TheOriginalOne 14:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Item Help

I was hoping that you know how to place 0 for the money total, as the Pokémon Conquest item Junk can technically be sold for 0 gold but putting in 0 instead display "Cannot be sold".TrainerX493 (talk) 19:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

It's an issue with the current template. It's not currently possible to list an item as sellable for 0. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Fixed time, added evening, but I have no idea how that template works, since the "morning/day/night" repeats after 3 switches instead of 4 (oddly color one has the 4 switches and is quite easy to update)... and it seems to imply that in-game summer has morning from 3:00 to 9:59 when it's actually 4:00-8:59 (and even before I fixed it, it was 4:00-9:59, so where that 3:00 got from...). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 09:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, the first problem is that Template:Evening color doesn't exist, which it would need to in order to put into the template. Instead, I'll just fix the boundaries that were wrong. --SnorlaxMonster 12:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Looks like the actual template is fine, I just did a terrible job of transcribing it... --SnorlaxMonster 12:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Side series

Thank you for doing most of the legwork in changing all the infoboxes/categories/etc for the side series games last month. We still need an actual page for them and a corresponding template, so I took the liberty of Frankenstein-ing them together since they've been left undone. (User:Pumpkinking0192/Side series and User:Pumpkinking0192/Template:Side series) I based them on the Spin-off Pokémon games article and template, so they're not pretty-looking by a long shot, but they exist and are functional, which is a lot better than before. Are these ready for the mainspace, and if not, what can I do to fix that? (Unless there are already plans in place for something different to be done with side series-related stuff, in which case never mind about all this.) Thanks! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Bring up the issue of the difference between the "side series" and spin-off games on the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

oops, sorry

I didn't see the bold italic thing. I tried to undo the edit but you got there before me. I probably shouldn't be up this late editing. Yamitora1 (talk) 08:13, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


Minor edit, but in the article, in the "List of Pokemon that appear" I noticed that it was missing a ) after

"Leavanny (Ash" Mr.Anonymous (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Looks like someone else fixed this (in July 2013). --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Draining Kiss

Just because the pictures are Aromatherapy doesn't mean the information is wrong, especially when it's labeled with the same move underneath each language. If it was wrong, wouldn't one of them have differed? (There also isn't one Healer so far who doesn't learn at least one HP move naturally.) Why can't we trust the website to be right? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 19:04, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think this one specific part can be trusted as it is clearly a mislabeling. The image depicts Aromatherapy, but the site says it "can learn Draining Kiss" in the caption underneath it. We already know there is a mistake in part of that piece of information, so I don't think we should trust it until the mistake has been fixed. (Also, Spritzee doesn't has lips, although Wooper can learn Ice Punch so that may be a redundant point.) --SnorlaxMonster 19:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk page

May I ask why you deleted my fan made poked with the red links? --Abdullahi456 (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)User talk:Abdullahi456

Per the userspace policy (specifically this section), you cannot use your talk page for personal content. Your talk page is reserved for discussion (like this). Furthermore, you cannot create redlinks to fan Pokémon as they are added to Special:WantedPages, which is reserved for pages that are actually wanted. --SnorlaxMonster 19:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, what about just my user page? --Abdullahi456 (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)User talk: Abdullahi456

Sorry to interrupt, but I can answer to that one. I saw your first talk page (you are intelligent: you hid the negative comments!) and so I know your problem. Due to that scheme of yours that involved doing random mainspace edits just in order to be autoconfirmed, they told you that you were "put in abuse". Being put in abuse means you can no longer edit any of your userspace (that means everything that has the User: prefix), until you prove you can make more mainspace edits than the userspace ones. That's what the "constructive edits" thing means. TheOriginalOne 22:36, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

First of all, that wasn't a "scheme" of mine. Yes my account was autoconfirmed and I did make a constuctive edit on Cacnea, but somebody deleted it for no reason. And what mainspace edits did I even do? If you're talking about the one that administrator told me about, I never did any of that. My IP address got hacked so it made it look like I was the one who made those edits when in fact I never did. They put me in the abuse group just because something happen to my IP address. I don't even edit pages on bulbapedia, I just read them. Don't try to tell me a schemer when you don't know your facts. - unsigned comment from Abdullahi456 (talkcontribs)

Sorry, but I have no way of knowing exactly what was made by your account, as the changes were hidden by the admin. And please, can't you admit you did it? In case you didn't notice, the IP adress really identifies you, and unless the hacker used the same computer as yours, there's no hacker at all. There's no problem in admitting you commited a mistake, as nobody is perfect. Specially when you're a new user: this happens all the time. I have a bunch of them actually. And I didn't defend myself from them: I learned from them. TheOriginalOne 19:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

If it was me, I'd admit it. But let me tell you something, you see the history of my account? Check it and see the previous year in when I used bulbapedia. I haven't used it since 2010 and I only came back on it because I got an email from the one I used to confirm my account saying that I made some non constructive changes on bulbapedia. When I went on, I discovered my account wasn't logged on. Either somebody hacked my Ip address or somebody else went on my computer. I'm pretty sure it's the latter. I didn't do anything. Just because an ip address identifies you doesn't mean you can automaically point the blame at the real user. I did mistakes before on bulbapedia but I stopped. It's plain and simple. - unsigned comment from Abdullahi456 (talkcontribs)

Just a little reminder...

It seems I started a conversation with you precisely at the worst time, because you started replying to the ones that came after, without noticing it, until it got completely isolated. As I classify it as an extremely important matter, may I please ask you to look ↑ 8 times? Thanks. TheOriginalOne 22:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

^ What he said. --×Rsrdaman× 03:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


I did an updated Template:Types, if you want to take a look at it. — Reshi643 18:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

It took me a while, but I did implement this in December. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


The time template is broken - for me it shows "11:05 PM UTC". Also, there might be way to add evening into HGSS at least - there are four eyecatches in HGSS, for morning, for day, for evening and for night. Good place to test would be Ilex Forest as all 4 are clearly distinguishable. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 09:13, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Noticed the derp - you mistyped and ended style="float:right with semicolon instead of double quotation mark. Fixed. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 09:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Interesting... for some reason, the newest version shows wrong time, and now yours shows it correctly. What the- Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Style codes need a semicolon at the end of each command and quotations around the entire set. I.e. the semicolon isn't wrong. Just incomplete. Werdnae (talk) 03:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
The reason why the page shows an incorrect time is because articles get cached to ease up stress on the server, there were no problems with the code. If you want to see the current time, you need to purge the article's cache by clicking the UTC clock. Old revisions aren't treated in the same way as the current revision, so they aren't subject to the caching and the time will always be accurate. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A question.

If i find a spambot (like this guy) who should i report it to? I'm a newb so idk. - unsigned comment from MaleCombee (talkcontribs)

It took me a very long time to respond to this, but notifying a staff member (like you did by contacting me) is the correct thing to do. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Genders of legendary Pokémon

Since the anime legendary Pokémon are no longer genderless, should I change the genders back to unknown? The Japanese version has yet to confirm one as male/female while the dub did the confirming. PattyMan 16:24, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Typically, you would put Unknown{{tt|*|Confirmed male in the English dub}} etc. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Messed up big time!

I was trying to edit section 5 of black and white walkthrough and I really messed up. Now the bottom half of the page is missing. I really need help,SM.Can u pls undo what i did? I am really really sorry for the trouble I caused! I really am!! I didnt know who else to contact.Auraguardian197 19:04, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. In the future, all you need to do is go to the page's "history" tab, click the "diff" link next to the edit you want to revert, and then click "undo" near the top-right. Any user can do it, not just staff members. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank u,Pumpkinking.Auraguardian197 19:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The archive template.

Wonder if I could borrow it. Of course I am going to credit you for it. (Not like my talk page is close to archiving... but going to do that earlier or later) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for interrupting, but I remember the discussion that I had with him about that same issue. He allowed me neither to copy it, nor to use one or two similar versions that I purposed. But he eventually authorized the use of this derivation. You can use (or slightly modify) it if you want, as the HP bar engine is the same. But please remember to replace my name by yours everywhere in the template, otherwise you'll have an HP bar referring to my talk page. TheOriginalOne 21:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The Rank article

I noticed you proposed here that this article be split into three; one article for each game. I disagree with this. If you look at the length of each section, there is simply not enough information in each to justify giving them their own articles. For example, look at the Contest section. It consists of five sentences and two charts. In my opinion, that's not enough for a separate article. The Mystery Dungeon section is the longest in the article, and I think there's enough in there to split it off, but the other two sections don't appear long enough for separate articles. But if we split off the MD section, then I don't know what to do with the Ranger Rank and Contest sections. What do you think? Pokegen master (talk) 19:33, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Since you left this message, I did indeed split the article into Rank (Contest), Rank (Mystery Dungeon), and Ranger Rank, and I think they're all good quality pages. Additionally, I disagree that completely different topics should share an article simply due to sharing an English name because they aren't long enough. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Just before you archive this...

You buried my conversation again. As I classify it as extremely important, could I please ask you to look ↑ 8 times (or 16, as the immediately previous one is a similar reminder - later supported by Rsr). TheOriginalOne 19:55, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to barge in, but I also posted something important that hasn't yet been responded to. Just piping up to mention that. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 23:01, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Moves by anime debut

So this is that better version (you even commented on mine we already have one)... But it's untouched, and the user hasn't been on Bulba since March 2013. I could try completing that if I got allowed to edit that userspace (I mean, the user hasn't been here for few months, so talking to him/her might not result in response in long time); also wondering if Ice Beam's entry should be left as it is, or mark Holiday Hi-Jynx with asterisk and mark usage in first actual episode. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, Vuvuzela is still around and replied I can. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Addition to Pokemon X and Y versions

Sir official website of Pokemon XY have updated the gym leader section while Bulbapedia has not updated yet.Two more Gym leaders are announced.Please take a look and edit the Gym Leader Page. For more information: [1] - unsigned comment from Monfernape (talkcontribs)

We have their articles here since 11 days*. The problem, the only field we would fill so far in that template would be name (since we don't know where their Gyms are, what they specialize in or what Badge they give*), so better wait with that. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Glitches 'n stuff

I would like to help contribute to Project GlitchDex. I currently intend to find ALL the glitched tiles for ALL amounts above 99 items in ALL areas for pokémon Red and Blue, as I have noticed they are different in different areas due to different tilesets being used. Cube1234567890 (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I do not think this is a worthwhile endeavor. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


WIKIRBY IS BROKEN! WE NEED TO REPAIR IT FAST AS WE CAN! I NOTICED WHEN PEOPLE TOLD ME THAT IT BROKE TODAY OR YESTERDAY! (sorrys if caps again) --Igor The Mii (talk) 17:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC) THUNDERBOLT! repairing the poor wikirby wiki

Mewtwo Awakened Forme

Ok, since you removed the info on the "Awakened" forme off the forme page, I guess you're the one to ask this?

So did gamefreak just decide to scrap the "Awakened" forme thing and went with Mega Evolution? They mention in all the trailers that game play footage is not final, and that it can change before release date.

Should/will this be investigated and noted in the article for Mewtwo, Mega Evoltuion and/or the Forme Difference Articles? I mean we wen't from fully accepting the Awakened forme to the point of having it on the articles, to now having Game Freak do a 180° and now instead we have Mega Mewtwo.

Also, Can/Should the Mega Evolutions be counted as a forme/sub category of forme? and Should mention of this move by Game Freak be made? Yamitora1 (talk) 05:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


Can I ask for your opinion on Sandbox#Template:G5event, as I replaced moz-border-radius from the template, and I would like to know if it looks good to be used? Thanks. — Reshi643 05:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

The reason the template is the way it is is so that there are fewer nested templates when included on pages. It does the same thing as yours, but is less expensive. Ultimately, the template is going to be updated to the same style as {{G6event}} anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The see also section

I see you deleted it here, but are you sure? I say this because it's the same for the pages of all the other regions: all of them link the games at the beginning, and then have that section linking to them again. Also, could you do the same edit you did to {{gameabbrev3}} to {{sup}}? TheOriginalOne 17:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair point on Kalos. As for {{sup}}, that template is deprecated; used {{sup/6}}. --SnorlaxMonster 19:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Also, could I please seize this rare moment in which you're looking at your talk page to remember you for the third time of this important, buried conversation? TheOriginalOne 19:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

RE: Korean name for base stats/EVs

Sure, I'll give it a go!

BTW, do you mean what Korean players call EVs (since "EV" is, IIRC, not technically an official term)? Or what Pokemon Korea is officially calling "Base Stats" on their version of this page concerning it? And once I find out, where would you like for me to place this info? Because apparently there is already a Korean term for it on the Effort values page... unless you just want confirmation? -- Nick15 (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Gotcha! Sorry I didn't get it sooner. :( -- Nick15 (talk) 19:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there a article that lists the registered trademarks from the Pokémon franchise?

Is there a article that lists all the known (R), (TM) and (C) of Game Freak and Pokémon like the newly discovered Pokkén and other items like Mega Evolution, which were trademarked at some point for future possible use by the franchise?

If not, would that be a article worth making sense it would be informative, and also provide a resource for those who barely know what a Registered Trademark is? Yamitora1 (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

There is not. I know all Pokémon names are trademarked. I don't know how we would go about compiling a list though. I believe Pokémon Opal and Pokémon Topaz have been trademarked since at least DP (because I remember everyone thinking Platinum would be called Opal because of that, and then thinking Black and White would be Opal and Topaz). Also, don't forget patents like Patent US7762893 (although that's Pikmin, the point is still relevant).
Copyrighted things don't work the same though, as copyright is automatic and you don't need to file for it (although you do need to renew it sometimes, but Pokémon is far too young for that). ™ indicates something is trademarked, but not necessarily that it is a registered trademark (which is what we find). ® is really the only one of the three you listed that is of relevance (registered trademarks). Anyway, I'm not a copyright expert, so I may have a few things wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the way things work. --SnorlaxMonster 14:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
I see, hmm well I guess it would work best to only list the non Pokémon names ® but I guess it would be too hard to compile a list like you said. Still, that would be a nice resource.
On last quick question...Did HGSS have to be ® or did the ® from GSC carry over? I ask because I am rooting for a RSE remake and I'm curious how easily Game Freak could sneak that under the radar. That's another reason I was asking if such a list article existed, so I could see if any filing for a RSE remake was on there. Yamitora1 (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
HGSS would have been separately trademarked. There were rumors at the time of TPC trademarking "Pokémon DuskGold" and "Pokémon DawnSilver", but I think those were false. --SnorlaxMonster 17:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok thank you very much. Yamitora1 (talk) 17:33, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Last reminder

Since you've been now looking in an active way to your talk page, may I remind you for the last time before you archive it of this? オリナル TheOriginalOne 17:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


On Tomoaki Imakuni, is there a way to use DefaultSort that have [[Category:Male characters|Imakuni?]] not be redirected to Imakuni, Tomoaki? — Reshi643 18:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure I understand the question. I think what you're asking is for a way to DEFAULTSORT as "Imakuni, Tomoaki" but sort in one specific category as "Imakuni?"? DEFAULTSORT is literally just that—the default; if you specify a different sortkey for any category, it will use that instead. --SnorlaxMonster 20:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
The category is supposed to be sorted as Imakuni?, but on Category:Male characters, it is being sorted as Imakuni, Tomoaki, and I was wondering if there is a way to sort it as Imakuni? — Reshi643 20:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
It is being sorted as "Imakuni?". What makes you think it isn't? --SnorlaxMonster 20:34, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Here, I am seeing it as Tomoaki Imakuni under the I. — Reshi643 20:40, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
But "Imakuni?" starts with I, so that's exactly where I would expect to see it. --SnorlaxMonster 20:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't see it with the question mark, though. It is just Imakuni without the question mark. — Reshi643 20:57, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I think I see what you're misunderstanding. Pages are still displayed in categories using the page title; all the sortkey does is affect how it is sorted. --SnorlaxMonster 21:25, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Error to report! Ground neutral on Fighting?

In the Pokémon Type Chart, it states that Ground-Type attacks are 1x effective on Fighting-Type Pokémon. If I recall correctly, this is incorrect: Ground-Type moves are 2x effective on Fighting-Type Pokémon.- unsigned comment from Pkmn4dummies (talkcontribs)

No, they're not. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 21:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
After researching it online (which I realized I should have done promptly after posting this) I realized that Fighting's weakness to Ground is nonexistent. I'm sorry for that waste of whoever's time read it.- unsigned comment from Pkmn4dummies (talkcontribs)
You should have done that before posting this.--Den Zen 22:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Curious about something...

I don't suppose I could get your thoughts on this? Basically, I'm looking for another opinion on adding the attacks mentioned in Birth of Mewtwo to Mewtwo's moveset. Personally, I see no issue with adding these moves, along with where they debuted, but I'd like someone else's opinion on this before I do. Thanks. Trak Nar (talk) 08:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Distorted images

Hi I'm not terribly good at editing and I noticed a few of the main Pokemon images do not have the correct dimensions causing them to appear squished.

Manaphy, Arceus, and Victini are like this, though there are probably a lot more. Bioness (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Virtually all of them are (or were) like that. The reason is that the Bulbagarden Archives (where the images are stored) doesn't always instantaneously sync up with Bulbapedia. The admins have changed all the Sugimori art on the Archives to a square aspect ratio to make them uniform, and Bulbapedia recognizes the changed dimensions but not the image itself, so it's stretching the old versions of the images to fit the new dimensions. The images will eventually properly sync on their own. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Bulbanews article about split-second Pokémon information

Hello Snorlaxmonster, I noted you created the Bulbanews article about the Pokémon seen for a split-second in the Pokémon direct. However, it states: 'Due to the extreme brevity of its appearance, it appears to only be included by mistake.' while there isn't any note about what is said at the time the Pokémon appears: During a battle, I think there will be a moment'. Could the article please state this is a possible reference to the split-second moment the Pokémon appears in during the battle? Nickvang (talk) 14:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The time at which it appears is mentioned in the second paragraph. --SnorlaxMonster 15:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
SnorlaxMonster, I think he is trying to say that the mistake was intentional, as it is a reference to the split-second in which every pokémon enter a battle. To the user, if that's the case: The problem is that if that was their intention, they would at least refer the pokémon. I viewed the Direct (didn't even notice the split-second), and I can assure you they didn't do so. And even if they wanted to reveal it without other references, why would they just show it for a split-second? It wouldn't actually be a very adequate strategy. Even if they referred it. オリナル TheOriginalOne 15:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I understand. However, this reference ('During a battle, I think there will be a moment') could still be noted in the article. Then people could decide for themselves wheter they think it was intentional or not. Nickvang (talk) 15:23, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
'During a battle, I think there will be a moment' - I'm sorry, but I don't understand what this means. If you're trying to say that we shouldn't assert that it is a mistake, I've intentionally left it as "appears to only be included by mistake". --SnorlaxMonster 15:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
The Pokémon appears during a battle at a(/one) (short) moment. That is the reference I'm mentioning. Could this reference also be mentioned in the article? Nickvang (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Still not entirely sure what you're asking. Is this what you meant? --SnorlaxMonster 15:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
No, 'During a battle, I think there will be a moment...' is a line said by one of the persons that are talking in the Pokémon Direct (or actually it's the translating voice-over), just before the split-second moment with the new Pokémon appears. Could this be mentioned in the article, please. Nickvang (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Just what I tought. What about checking what he says after that? He's definetely talking about something else. The rest is just decoration. オリナル TheOriginalOne 16:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Of course he said something after the moment the Pokémon appeared, otherwise it wouldn't be a hidden reference, but just an invitation to pause the video. And by the way, you can say the line after the moment without needing the one before the moment for it to make sense: 'When a players feelings seem to actually go into the game and combine with their Pokémon, that's when Mega Evolution happens'. You see, you could take the lines after the moment as seperate of the referencing line before the moment! Nickvang (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
I didn't say he stopped talking. I was saying that what he said next wasn't going to be any reference to the accidentaly revealed pokémon. I remember very well the moment that you just referred on this reply, and I see no reason for it to be a reference to the mysterious pokémon; instead, that's a reference to the fact that at that moment Venusaur was mega-evolving. If you still want to say the opposite, please make your answer clear. Thanks. オリナル TheOriginalOne 16:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
That's because it's an hidden reference. He says something, pauses, and then he says the rest. In this specific case: He says something that is a reference to a very short appearance of a new Pokémon, then he pauses and the Pokémon appears, and then he says something of which people will think that it's just him finishing his line. Instead of finishing his line, he was actually talking about something different. As he is now talking about the Venusaur Mega Evolving, while he was talking about the appearance of the new Pokémon before that new Pokémon appeared. And I am clear. No thanks. Nickvang (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
If your way of thinking points to that, then please be aware that it's probably rare. I'm not saying it's wrong, but independently of your evidence, we can't really prove that. What will be the problem with such detail not being added, anyway? オリナル TheOriginalOne 16:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, now I think I understand what you meant. --SnorlaxMonster 16:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
But the sentence continues. He talks about the relationship between the bond with the pokémon and Mega Evolution. I still don't see the thing. オリナル TheOriginalOne 16:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
It is literally only there for a few frames. It is only visible the moment it cuts to the game footage. To screencap it, I went from Masuda and just play/paused as fast as possible until I saw it. As for the sentence continuing, it's to point out where in the video it occurs, not what Masuda said. --SnorlaxMonster 16:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Protection level

Hi Mr. SnorlaxMonster, I wanted you to lower the Protection level in the following pages Rock-type, Water-type, Ground-type. So that I can put the Hindi names. After putting the names you can increase the protection level.--Viv (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like someone else has already added them for you. Guess I was a bit slow here. --SnorlaxMonster 08:39, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Ya a little bit late, as Dennou Zenshi added it. Thanks!--Viv (talk) 09:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Synopses: Templates and Categories

Hey, SnorlaxMonster. I was wondering if you could make four edits or so to two templates and categories. Categories Episode articles with incomplete synopses and "Book articles with incomplete synopses" should be moved with the links in their text pointing to the correct templates. In addition, and the main reason I am asking this, templates {{Incomplete plot}} and "Incomplete synopsis book" should have their code adjusted to match the moved categories, since they are protected and cannot be edited for good reason. Thank you for your time, --Super goku (talk) 08:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm trying to work out whether it would be a better idea to make it "Category:Articles with incomplete plot summaries" or separate ones for anime episodes, manga chapters, and books (games potentially as well). I need to discuss this with other staff first, but I've moved Template:Incomplete plot to where it is now so that it can at least be relinked when people update articles. --SnorlaxMonster 08:23, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. Thank you for the quick reply. One last thing, should everything in the Bulbapedia mainspace be left alone for the moment or would it be alright to adjust all of them that should be? --Super goku (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Another template change

Could you please do like what you did for the other user on the previous section and edit templates for me? I mean {{Ability/head}} and {{Ability/entry}}: could you add a new column called "Mega Evolution ability"? It is already required here. Thanks. オリナル TheOriginalOne 16:35, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

The only one familiarized with this...

Could I please ask you a simple favor? The thing is that someone didn't know that in Project GlitchDex we conventioned that, due to their cheating-only availability, the glitch pokémon from FB to FD shouldn't have articles associated. So that user created a page for 'M 'N g. I placed a delete tag there, with the explanation. But still, I know that many staff members may just ignore it due to not being familiarized with the thing: so to speed up the deletion, could you please go there, as you are apparently the only staff member with the knowledge of the rule? オリナル TheOriginalOne 19:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

While maybe not at the time, now all (English language) glitch Pokémon are obtainable and should have articles. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Members of Team Rocket

As you were the one who tagged it for deletion discussion in the first place, I thought it would be appropriate to ask you about this... since it's been over 2 years since the tag was added, no particularly strong opposition to deletion was given, and the page isn't even up to date with the anime at this point, would it be fair to finally delete the page? On that note, I think it's about time this talk page was archived as well. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This page has since been merged into Team Rocket. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

a:File:Exclusive Toys R Us Remix.jpg

Thank you so much! FanOfCountry (talk) 17:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay so no tiers, gotcha.

You might want to remove such references from Pikachu (Super Smash Bros.) then. (I can't, I'm still not autoconfirmed.) Toomai Glittershine 04:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Done (in 2013). --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Azuxingmi's contributions

Hey, SnorlaxMonster. I was wondering if you could take a look at Azuxingmi's contributions? They seem to be getting their information from another website on the base stats. I sent the a message about it on their talk page, but the only thing it seems to have done, if anything at all, is stop them from updating the older Pokémon. Sorry if I caused any problems, --Super goku (talk) 13:23, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


I edited the berryloc template to add XY into it, but for some reason the Template now seems to take up the entire page and I can't figure out why. -EVsandIVsaurs 15:12, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed it. Make sure that when templating, every {| is complemented by a |}. --SnorlaxMonster 15:39, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Images upload request

Hello! Can you please upload images for this page? I made screenshots for it. They are here. I'll delete this album after you upload them. Thanks! :) — Ashes (talk) 13:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 14:10, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Problems with glitch pokémon pages

Help! When I create a glitch pokémon page instead of a box popping up, I giant stream of text appears. Reply back please! Racerjames200 (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Did I do something wrong? Racerjames200 (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Commas in numbers

Since Pokémon X and Y have started using commas in numbers more than three digits long, should that be used in prices for items and other services? Or should we stick with 5+ digits gets a comma? -EVsandIVsaurs 23:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, someone answered that on a different page -EVsandIVsaurs 23:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


Since the pseudo-legendary Pokémon page is protected, could you possibly add a few things for me?

  1. Under the initial header, Goodra needs to be added to the template list. I've coded one up in my sandbox (I'd have used Sugimori art for all of them, but Goodra doesn;t have that yet).
  2. Under the "Users" heading, Shauna and Diantha both use a Goodra in one of their teams.
  3. Under the "Trivia" section, there's a line that reads:
  • Every pseudo-legendary Pokémon is immune to at least one type: Dragonite to Ground, Tyranitar to Psychic, Metagross to Poison, Salamence to Ground, Garchomp to Electric, and Hydreigon to Psychic and Ground.
    • However, Hydreigon's immunity to Ground-type moves is due to its Ability, Levitate, rather than due to its type.

They can both be removed as they're no longer true. Thanks! たかはりいtalk 05:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

All done. --SnorlaxMonster 09:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

user tag

I made a user tag on my user page a while back. I haven't logged in for a long time and today i noticed that the color of the user tag has changed. Can you tell me why that happened? Was it due to a mistake in the way i wrote the user tag?Auraguardian197 16:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You're using the color template {{johto color}}, which was recently changed. It is now based on the color used in the B2W2 guidebook to indicate Johto. --SnorlaxMonster 16:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks,SMAuraguardian197 16:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


Well, it needs updating for G6 (because of new stats, it categorizes eg. Butterfree for wrong Special split, as it originally had 80 in both Special stats, but now it has 90 in Sp. Atk). Uploader (talk) 14:01, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

How's this? --SnorlaxMonster 14:25, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Uploader (talk) 14:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Berry Fields

I do not know if you are aware, but we had fields capitalized due to how it appeared on the flying map and the town map. I am not sure which one we should default to, but I think this change warrants discussion, as we had specifically already chosen the town map over the item descriptions. MaverickNate 18:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I know it was at that location because of the Town Map, but the Town Map capitalizes everything in the "features" section regardless of if it should be or not; the Town Map's features section is not an appropriate standard for determining capitalizations. --SnorlaxMonster 16:29, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Encounter rates

Hey SM,can you tell me how the encounter rates are calculated for use in bulbapedia and how they're classified into common,rare,etc.?--Auraguardian197 12:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

If the table on a location page only mentions "Common", "Uncommon", "Rare", etc., that means we got the data from a guidebook and don't actually know its specific encounter rate. On Pokémon pages, it's an arbitrary value that I hate and think should be removed (but don't go doing this, as I haven't discussed what to do with that with other staff yet). --SnorlaxMonster 12:13, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
I saw some some pages listing the encounter rates as ”unknown” (for B2W2). So should I leave them be or is there any other way to get encounter rates from the games themselves. --Auraguardian197 12:20, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Veekun lets us use his data, and it looks like he has B2W2 encounter data. If any is listed as unknown, feel free to transfer it. --SnorlaxMonster 12:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for ur time,SM --Auraguardian197 12:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Catch rate

In G5, there are three checks instead of four. Wouldn't that affect the chance to catch Pokémon? (1/4^3 is about 1.5% or something, for example.) Uploader (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I guess? Bring it up on Talk:Catch rate if this is still relevant. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Wondering about epicodes for Pokémon Tales

It was suggested to me that I find a staff member to query about possibly renaming the Pokémon Tales book articles using epicodes. I didn't see anyone who jumped out as the perfect person to ask, so I chose you, as a staff member I recognize as fairly active. So what do you think, should the books use epicodes? Or else can you point me to someone better to ask? Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:29, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I got an answer. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:16, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

References to popular culture

There's quite a lot here (there's an individual page for these on the site, but as well as examples on the pages of games and that stuff, so you may want to check a bit). Have fun picking out these which are notable enough. Uploader (talk) 15:59, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Just a Heads-Up

I've replied further here. Is a cache dump necessary? Also, the reason I proposed the TM data get the same treatment (again, exclusively in this case) is because that data will never change again unless Headbutt gets another TM in a later generation, and we can address that then. It's another 11,000 bytes claimed by doing that as well. CycloneGU (talk) 07:12, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It finally went through. Amazing that all I was doing was adding a number to a table. *laughing* If the blank result keeps occurring however, then we may need to claim more space somewhere. Thanks for getting that emergency edit in. CycloneGU (talk) 07:22, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Official source for Mewtwo in M16

Can I have an official source that says the Mewtwo in M16 is different than the one in M01 and Mewtwo Returns? The idiot reviewers at Amazon don't believe me, and are one-star-rating the movie because the story and voice of Mewtwo is different. Thanks. Pokegen master (talk) 18:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

"Making Mewtwo a different one from the Mewtwo in the first movie was the conclusion carefully reached after numerous meetings."
"The Mewtwo this time is a different one to the previously seen Mewtwo. Please understand this, fans of the previous Mewtwo."
Here's some tweets from the scriptwriter of M16 and its prequel. Bluesun (talk) 19:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
This might work. Thanks. Pokegen master (talk) 21:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

I've been in abuse for too long.

Hey Snorlax. I was about to make this request to MAGNEDETH, but he was no longer a bureaucrat. And after checking the list of rights, it seems that the only kinds of users that can remove people from abuse are bureaucrats and senior admins, and Mag is now a vice-webmaster. Well, enough talk about him. I was going to talk about me. I've been in abuse for three and a half years. I was only a beginner when I first joined Bulbapedia. Bulbapedia was the first wiki I've ever edited, so my userspace abuse was just a beginner's mistake. I've had a lot of practice in Wikia. While I'm aware that there are some people here that don't like Wikia, I still learned a lot. And recently, I've been contributing a lot of XY related stuff in the mainspace of Bulbapedia. Guess who was up all night completing List of Pokémon that appear in every regional Pokédex? I did! That was real dedication to stay up all night past my bedtime just to add Kalos Dex numbers to the list. And also, my userpage is very outdated. I promise I will only edit my userpage once a month, and have at least 10 mainspace edits between userspace edits. And I will check the preview of my userspace at least twice before publishing. If I make a mistake on my userpage, I will wait the next month before correcting it. I will not abuse my userspace privilages and that is a promise. So can I have them back? SeanWheeler (talk) 18:09, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Maverick Nate handled this shortly after you left me this message, which I assume is why I never bothered to respond. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

A few things

Digit separator

I'm not sure of where has this discussion been held here but the international standard dictates that the thousands separator should only be used for numbers starting in 10000 (thus rendering it as 10,000 or 10.000). Numbers from 1000 to 9999 should remain as is. SatoMew 23:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

The games (at least the Gen VI games) use it starting from 1,000 so that's what we should do too. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Character names

Although the general consensus in the fandom is to call these characters "Leaf", "Kris", and "Silver", they are by no means their official names, thus I believe that Template:Unknown name should be added to their articles. Before doing so, I'd like to know if there's any restraint or objection against the addition. SatoMew 23:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I guess that is appropriate. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The sup/md template and Gates to Infinity

I noticed the {{sup/md}} template isn't set up for Gates to Infinity yet. Seeing as the template is protected and you were the one who updated it for the WiiWare games, could you update it to include Gates to Infinity? (Or should I be using something else? I can easily see myself missing out on something like {{usethisforgatestoinfinity}}) Affluefant(talk) 10:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. Just use "GtI" as the parameter. I also made the template case insensitive, so you can input it as "gTi" if you want. --SnorlaxMonster 11:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Links to voice actors

Hello SnorlaxMonster, I noticed that you undid my edit to the Pokémon Origins page, saying that the voice actors may get pages of their own at some point. From what I've gathered, however, voice actors will only get their own page if they voiced at least two major characters or several (at least 7 would be a good number) minor ones. Those who haven't don't deserve their own page, or they'll be made into redirects. I needed to place the links in the table so that people won't make pages for them right away. If you feel that you should justify your edit though, I'd like to hear back. Thank you! GamerGeek 13:30, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi There

Can I get your input on my analysis of the template structure here? It's starting to look very inconsistent. CycloneGU (talk) 01:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

There's currently a new design for that template in progress. Check out this example. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Smeargle with Celebrate

Not that familiar with wikis so I'm not sure if this is where I'm supposed to respond but yes, I can trade you one. FC: 0576-4798-6003 GenericJoe (talk) 09:33, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Template:Pokémon/1 and Template:Pokémon/2

For G6, we use the artwork resized to proper size, so I don't see reason why to not make the same for Stadium series. (Because, obviously, it doesn't use Generation 5 sprites...). Uploader (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

We have proper models for every Stadium Pokémon, so those should be used. --SnorlaxMonster 14:09, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, I had them on my mind. They're way too large, though, and there seems to be no resize field. (Also, few models seem to not be transparent.) Uploader (talk) 14:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Party template update

Hey Snorlax, I think we need to update the Party template because there are two major tag battles in Kalos that neither trainer had three Pokémon. The current template made it seem like Trevor owned Tierno's Corphish and Celosia stole Bryony's Liepard. I asked about this on the template's talk page but got no reply and the template wasn't updated. So I thought I might ask someone more directly. In my comment on the template talk page, I wrote out the source code and added the possible variables for the "Pokemon" parameter: 1+1, 1+2, 1+3, 2+1, 2+2, 2+3, 3+1, well you get the idea, right? While 3+1 would work similar to 4, 1+1 and 2+1 would give the space in the Poké Ball icons and show ownership better by putting Bryony's and Tierno's Pokémon in the appropriate color. I've shown an example of how it should look in my comment on the template talk page. If you found an error in my coding, feel free to correct it. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

The Party template that is now in place handles this. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

I am new at this.

How many edits to the encyclopedia do I need to make before I am allowed a user page? Heavyslamaggron (talk) 03:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

In order to make a user page, you must be autoconfirmed (you can find additional information about it there). I've checked, and you are currently autoconfirmed, so you should be able to make your userpage. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Help on the page Swords of Justice

SnorlaxMonster, PokemonMasterJamal3 just removed a trivia and I believe its true because Doublade can learn that move Sacred Sword and I was not part of the war so I fixed this to restore this trivia so are you sure are you going to revert or edit this page? Cinday123 (talk) 09:35, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

And of course one more thing I forgot, Relicant just helped removed a trivia so that is no longer true. Cinday123 (talk) 09:37, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ice Punch trivia

If the trivia on Ice Punch stays, then we should re-add the trivia on Guillotine that several Pokémon without pincers can learn Guillotine despite the in-game description stating its "A vicious, tearing attack with big pincers". --The Truth aka Relicant 14:12, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I think that's reasonable. --SnorlaxMonster 14:36, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
But... those are both against our trivia policy. We don't do trivia that points out discrepancies between game mechanics and flavor text, because it gets really opinionated really fast. I don't see why either of those should be kept. I'm really confused here. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
To my knowledge this is the only trivia policy we have, and that isn't official nor does it mention such things. I think it is reasonable to note that a Pokémon can use a move despite not having the appendage or characteristic that is obviously necessary for its use (which is currently done for Iron Tail, Glare, Ice Punch and Guillotine, from a quick check). --SnorlaxMonster 16:54, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
As far as "obviously necessary" goes, the Awex line and Pawniard lines both have pretty obvious blades on their bodies which one can easily imagine being employed as a guillotine. If you must stick by the "pincer" part, though, I don't really have a problem imagining Pawniard/Bisharp using the blades on both of their arms in a pincer fashion; Axew, though, would have a pretty tough time using its tusks like pincers. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:50, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


What free video recording and editing software should I get to make glitch videos? Irtehmrepic (talk) 22:23, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea. I don't make videos. Maybe ask Chickasaurus or Uploader; they both have made glitch videos that are of the right structure for Bulbapedia. --SnorlaxMonster 03:00, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Hiroyuki Baba

On Maury's page, there's a red link for the voice actor of his Pokémon, Hiroyuki Baba, a host from Pokémon Sunday. According to Project: VA's requirements, Baba's not notable enough for his own page. But due to it being in the Template:TrainerPoké, I can't get rid of it, nor do I know any wiki magic to make it link to Pokémon Sunday and was wondering if you did. Glik (talk) 04:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Since he's also a host from Pokémon Sunday, I'd say he could be notable for an article. But anyway, these kind of links are usually just redirected to List of Japanese voice actors. --SnorlaxMonster 04:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. Since the only Pokémon Sunday/Smash host that has their own page is also a notable seiyu (and Baba apparently being a part of a comedy trio that would more likely serve as a page for him, were one ever to be made), I'll link it to the list page. Glik (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Wild held items.

So you modified template... now we need to fill in B2W2 (since there are few changes). Does Veekun count as a source? Uploader (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Veekun's fine. I'm not really sure what B2W2 changes there are though. --SnorlaxMonster 13:22, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
There were few changes I spotted while looking at Veekun (for example, Heatmor has 1% to hold Flame Orb). Uploader (talk) 13:38, 11 December 2013 (UTC) PS. You may need to update the template to reflect that, since "BW=[item]" makes field empty. Uploader (talk) 13:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC) PS2. There's also fact that while most of changes are either Pokémon losing item or getting it in another, unused slot, few got item in the same slot as earlier (eg. Grimer has a new item in the 5% that was used in BWwhile Roselia now has new item for 1% while the old one is now 5% oh wait, nevermind). Uploader (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
So I've added some functionality to do that. BW1 and B2W2-1 are for 1%, BW5 and B2W2-5 are for 5%, etc. Let me know which ones you don't need so I can cut down on the template size. --SnorlaxMonster 14:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
On second thoughts, please let me know ASAP. The page has stopped loading due to my additions. Precisely which slots do you need? --SnorlaxMonster 14:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
It appears I was a bit hasty there. Page is loading again. Still, it would be nice to cut down the template size. I can't guarentee you'll be able to preview it now though. --SnorlaxMonster 14:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Saved the page (well that took a while). Three mons are broken for unknown reasons (Pikachu has Light Ball item twice on 5%; while Roselia and Roserade have Poison Barb on top of Absorb Bulb, even though Poison Barb should be in one place (5%). Uploader (talk) 14:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
PS. Wait a moment, I missed two things (Buizel line and Combee, derp). Uploader (talk) 14:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Turned out to be because BW and B2W2 do not count as regular field (and as such, the items went few fields back). Now just get to save that... Uploader (talk) 14:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with a page

Something's wrong with List of Pokémon with shared species names talk page, will you delete a redirect so I can fix and solve a problem. Cinday123 (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding something

This edit summary here that someone put was kind of rude and uncalled for. He didn't have to say that to me especially when it was only done one time or if he was right or not. PattyMan 18:56, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Snowbelle City Gym Image

I was wondering, I have some images of the Snowbelle City Gym that I took in game, but I'm not sure if they're good enough quality to upload. I thought at the least tho, one of them could be used until a better image can some how be acquired.

More or less they're the same quality as the Battle Chateau image. They look fine zoomed out, but the more you zoom in the more low quality artifacts like blurry pixels can be seen.

Would you like to check them out and see if they're ok enough. Either way I'd have to go through you to upload them to the archives.

HNI_0033.JPG HNI_0025.JPG HNI_0026.JPG

The last two were taken after beating the gym, so the leader and his...assistant? are in front of the gym seeing my off. Yamitora1 (talk) 00:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I live these very much. Besides the fact that any image is better than no image, those are very nice images anyway. If you could upload the image without the characters standing in front of the Gym, that would be ideal. --SnorlaxMonster 04:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, but I need your permission on Archives, Archives won't let me upload it without it. Yamitora1 (talk) 07:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Treasure hunter

I don't want to edit war, and if you decided to change those pages I don't forsee being able to change your mind, so I asked for a second opinion (third opinion?). You can read my stance there and respond with whatever points you feel are relevant. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I like having met locations correspond to the correct page. Obviously I can't with PKMNBreeder (which is where you get the Happiny Egg and what the Treasure Hunter is called if you trade Larvesta to B2W2), but I like to whenever possible. That minor character only has a conjectural name, which this one is official, so I don't see the need to redirect to Route 13. The Larvesta Egg "Treasure Hunter" is an actual possible piece of location data. I'm currently finishing off the List of locations by index number (Generation V), and it is far more useful to have Treasure Hunter redirect there. I'm happy to see what Dennou thinks though. --SnorlaxMonster 07:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I see, I did look for something that was actually linking directly to one of those pages and there wasn't anything. I can understand wanting that...but if that's the only place the "Treasure hunter" location will be linked from, you could also just do like [[Unova Route 18|Treasure Hunter]]. My concern generally lies with actual usability, and there is just so very little for the "location". People might click your link, but I believe it would be a very rare person who would want to search "Treasure Hunter", the "location". Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in, but couldn't this be solved easily with a disambiguation page directing searchers to both treasure hunters? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I changed my mind a bit. Redirected links in pages are bad. I believe it is policy (or something like it), but otherwise I personally hold this to be true. If you want to link to Treasure hunter, I believe there should be an actual page there (with comprehensive info about that "location" and only that); otherwise, link to whatever's actually correct/relevant. Redirects should be for searchers, not for linking to. Heck, you also just made a Distant land redirect, but didn't actually use that redirect link on the locations page; you made the actual link go to Orre. So I'm changing the Treasure hunter link on the locations page.
And I suppose I'll make the Treasure hunter redirects into disambiguation pages. If I'm being entirely neutral, I suppose that's most correct. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right about not linking to redirects. They should go directly to the correct pages. However, you did make a good point about it not being clear why the redirect leads there, so I think it would be best to send Treasure Hunter to Pokémon Egg#Eggs available 4 instead (and Traveling Man from Gen IV to Pokémon Egg#Eggs available 3). I'm still not too sure about a disambig page though, because he's never officially referred to as the "Treasure Hunter" and I don't think people know that man by that name. --SnorlaxMonster 18:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. I'm not sure you meant "on the locations page", but I think it'd be weird to handle the redirect/disambig one way and the link in the list another. And the Pokemon Breeder in Nacrene applied just as well if not better, since "Breeder" wasn't even in the page text for Nacrene City, so I changed that as well. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:42, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I meant send both the redirect and links there. Because yes, otherwise it would be inconsistent. --SnorlaxMonster 18:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Play Nice

Since the move Play Nice was missing from the Normal-type moves list, check out the page and add it so it can be complete. I just added the incomplete template below a list of moves that is Normal-type days ago. Cinday123 (Talk) 07:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I've added it now. --SnorlaxMonster 08:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Help with archiving my talk page

There is a problem with archiving my talk page and left a redirect, will you delete a redirect so I can archiving my talk page without leaving a redirect. Cinday123 (Talk) 03:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you fixed this yourself. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

About Category:Game articles needing more information

I am allowed to remove the category from pages, or is something being worked out. A. Weeviling -  200,000 (Pkmn Y) 08:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I probably shouldn't have deleted that in the first place. It's added by a template, it's just that at the time I deleted the category it wasn't used anywhere. Thankfully, another admin has restored it. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Gen VI locations' index numbers

Is there a way in-game to find out what index number corresponds to a location in X and Y? If not, what did you use to get the numbers for the List of locations by index number (Generation VI)? Glik (talk) 03:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

I saw you were on, so I just wanna poke at you, in case you missed my question. Glik (talk) 03:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Basically, they were found by sniffing the packets sent during a Wi-Fi trade. Since we know the Generation VI Pokémon data structure (which is virtually the same as the Gen IV and V ones), we know which bytes correspond to the met location. Here's a spreadsheet someone else compiled with them. I never actually got any index numbers myself. However, the method that was used to obtain these index numbers was patched in Version 1.2, and since online interaction is required to get them, it can no longer be used.
There is another way to get the missing index numbers though. If a Pokémon in Gen V has its "game of origin" set to X or Y, when it is sent via Poké Transporter the game will recognize it as a Kalos-obtained Pokémon (with the blue pentagon), and its met location will be converted into the Gen VI location with the equivalent index number. Using List of locations by index number (Generation V) as a reference, it would be possible to complete that list (once Poké Transporter is more accessible).
Also, due to the Gen V to VI conversion that I mentioned earlier, I also know why all the locations (except Link Trade) are even numbers. The odd numbers correspond to the location subtitles, so 00075 is "Brun Way" and 00135 is "Zubat Roost"; this is just blank for locations without subtitles. I don't actually have access to Transporter, but this is from what I've seen other people do.
Locations that I know of that are missing from the Gen VI list: Prism Tower, Shabboneau Castle, Lumiose Station, Kiloude Station, Ironworks Chamber, Blazing Chamber, Dragonmark Chamber, Flood Chamber, Radiant Chamber. --SnorlaxMonster 03:50, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


Since your talk page is too long, will you archiving your talk page to make room for new comments? Cinday123 (Talk) 04:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I intend to archive it once I've responded to all the outstanding talk page messages. I set myself the deadline of December 31 so I could archive it for the new year, but that didn't work out. I hope to soon. --SnorlaxMonster 04:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Double Battle moves

I placed a incomplete template on a certain section on this page and still not finished, will you add the remaining moves that was introduced in Generation VI? --Cinday123 (Talk) 05:09, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello? Still not editing the Double Battle page, find it above and fill in Generation VI moves. --Cin day123 (Talk) 11:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Done (in January 2014). --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Project GlitchDex

Hello SnorlaxMonster, I am aware you are the leader of project glitchdex and was wondering how i could join and contribute.- unsigned comment from BlameBidoof (talkcontribs)


1)that trio - you may want to lock articles for the names (of moves).

2)Move learnset template (the one on moves' pages) might need upgrade for Meowstic, now that we have minisprites.

Eridanus (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Syntax: usage of "typing" in reference to a Pokémon's assigned types

I asked Maverick Nate whether "typing" is okay to use (he said: yes, but it often has a better equivalent), and he pointed out that you have a very interesting page on Pokémon Syntax. Your syntax page doesn't quite address the kinds of cases where "typing" might be used, so I wonder if you have a particular opinion or suggestion on the usage of "typing"? (Recent examples (that were disputed and iterated out) include this and this, but you can find a number more if you just search "typing".) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I cannot find the term in any text dumps, and I have no memory of it from the anime. I would suggest avoiding it, but I don't think it is necessarily incorrect. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Vermilion Gym

It appears it wasn't as simple in Generation I as it is currently. Eridanus (talk) 09:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

PS. Later (somewhere 9 and half of a minute into video) it mentions that apparently Thunder Badge boosts Defense while Soul boosts Speed - as in, they're switched. Dunno if that's true, maybe something is differeint in Japanese Blue?) Eridanus (talk) 09:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I suggest you bring this up on Talk:Vermilion Gym. However, the Defense/Speed swap is correct. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Ability infobox upgrade

Do you know how to make HGSS appear only if "hgss=yes"? For some reason, it defaults to splitting G4, instead of showing it together. Eridanus (talk) 09:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Stadium and Stadium 2 parties

So we have parties for the Stadium games... using BW sprites. But we have Stadium models (as you mentioned earlier somewhere there on Pedia), so why don't use the Stadium models? We can always resize them the same way Sugimori art is resized for XY parties. Eridanus (talk) 18:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

We are currently working on organizing models. Once we finish with Gen VI models, we will likely move on to Stadium (and give them systematic names). After we do, I imagine the Party template would be updated to accommodate them. If you are interested in helping out with models, it's probably best to ask Kogoro. For now, I'd suggest either leaving Stadium the way it is, or using artwork like Gen VI does. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


How do I speak Japanese? (aka more Japanese things that might be useful to translate) Eridanus (talk) 17:35, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

I've added the Japanese text for black out/white out to that page. The name for Shiny Pokémon is already on that page. I'm not sure what "tame" is referring to. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks mate

Thank you for letting us add the Mega Lati twins info to the Megas page. That's one step closer to ending the massive dispute over the hidden Pokemon I've been having with some of the higher members. I'm glad that you're really reasonable about this kind of stuff.----BigBadBatter 23:27, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I discussed it with the staff, and that's the conclusion we came to. It wasn't just me (although I was the one that pushed). --SnorlaxMonster 03:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Still, thanks!----BigBadBatter 04:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Why were the Eon Twins added to the Mega Evolution page?

Why were the Eon Twins added to the Mega Evolution page as unreleased. They haven't been confirmed to be able to Mega Evolve, have they? Yamitora1 (talk) 08:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

We have sufficient evidence from reliable sources that they can. However, we do not currently know if they will be released (e.g. the Azure Flute), so are being careful about how we present that information. --SnorlaxMonster 08:26, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

New template issue

I have noticed that Bulbapedia has started using a new, modified Trainer Pokémon template. While I don't have anything against that, quite the contrary, I just discovered ONE major flaw: the Gen. II template wants to display the bag sprite for held item the Pokémon is holding, which I think is natural from Gen. III onwards, but since Gen. II had several items that never appeared outside of Gold, Silver, and Crystal, and therefore have no bag sprites, we now have a lot of red links that cannot be filled. Do you know anybody who could fix this? Possibly make it as it was; so that the template for Gen. II doesn't show the bag sprites? Thank you in advance. :)--FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The only items I can think of that could be held but don't have images are the Berserk Gene and Gen II Berries; are either of these used in a Pokémon template? --SnorlaxMonster 11:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Looks like Kogoro removed the Bag image anyway (but I am interested where the issue was occurring, so tell me if you know of an example). --SnorlaxMonster 11:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
My pleasure. I first found the problem occuring on Violet Gym's page, so I assume it was in all those sort of fixed templates. But now that everything's fixed, I'm not worrying about it anymore. Thank you for listening. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, Stadium 2. I forgot about that. --SnorlaxMonster 12:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

RE: Focus Energy

Thanks SnorlaxMonster. That seems to be the explanation Tombstoner wrote on the Glitch City wiki, too. I notice that the Azure Heights article may still have an error. I cheated to battle a level 100 ▶ A (that has base 178 speed) with a level 3 Pidgey with infinite HP, Focus Energy and Slash. ▶ A should be many times faster than Pidgey, but I was still able to get a critical hit with Slash. Either that was an error, something about me cheating made the game think ▶ A was not that much faster, and/or the Pokémon has to be even faster (at level 100 ▶ A will have over 360 speed and my Pidgey has 8), or something else. For what it's worth, I tried it with a level 100 Jolteon too, and got the same result. --Chickasaurus (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Update: I notice that Crystal_ looked at the Pokémon Red disassembly and found that the game jumps to a 'divide by 2' function. I've asked him if that means the rate is halved instead of quartered and whether your speed/the use of high-critical hit moves matter. --Chickasaurus (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Since it both skips a 'multiply by 2' function and performs a 'divide by 2' function, it looks like quarters is correct. --SnorlaxMonster 16:33, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand now. Thanks. It looks like the articles (Focus Energy, List of glitches in Generation I, critical hit) can be kept as they currently are. --Chickasaurus (talk) 20:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Image for Gen VI experience formula

I have no idea how to create those mathematical formula images, and you're the user who uploaded the most recent version of the Gen V formula. Would you be able to update the "flat" formula to include Gen VI variables (p and f (as I named them, anyways))? I'd also like to include round down points; would you be able to do that, too? Thanks to Bbbbbbbbba, we know the order/rounding for Gen I, but it might be wise to check the order for the variables that appear after Gen I (which could be complicated)... Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:48, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Most editions of Microsoft Word and Open Office allow making formulas. Alternately, you could probably also make something in Wolfram Alpha and save it from there. I would prefer if Bulbapedia had the Math extension like Wikipedia, which would allow dynamic LaTeX markup. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Just regarding the reversion of my edit

Some banks do behave differently, I have tested this multiple times with identical .pkms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was sure the Surfing Pikachu was an event?----BigBadBatter 01:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Surfing Pikachu was never distributed in Gen V, and since HM moves cannot be sent from Gen IV to V, Pikachu cannot have Surf in Generation V (or VI for that matter); for this reason, I had someone get a Mimic Pikachu in Gen III and see if it had a special animation for Surf in Generation VI. As for identical Pokémon, could you link to the .pkm on Pokécheck? One possibility is that the filter has changed over time (since Transporter is online), so what used to go through does not anymore. However, it is utter unfeasible that the filter varies from person-to-person (except perhaps due to region). --SnorlaxMonster 06:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
That clears up the Pikachu fiasco XD. As for the .pkms, here is the link: [2]. It's the Modest one. I should note that the guy who owns the dittos tested them at around the same time as me. One variable could be the fact that he's American and I'm Australian, but I wouldn't know if regions could affect the behaviour of banks. I've also tested identical Breloom .pkms, but I don't have a link to those.----BigBadBatter 21:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

3D Models

Pokemon XY has 3D models, replacing sprites. --Samueljoo (talk) 07:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


To tell you the truth Lickitung did use Lick in episode EP052.--JasonL 23:02, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

This explains why it doesn't:
"Also, I'd like to point out that the Announcer is saying "lick attack" with a lowercase l, not "Lick attack" as in the Pokemon move. Which kind of makes sense given how Lickitung couldn't legally learn the move at the time this episode came out anyway. The Japanese version does the same thing too: they never say Lick attack (したでなめる) and instead opt for phrases like shita kougeki (舌攻撃) or namete (舐めて) instead."
There are plenty of similar situations too, where the Trainer commands "tackle it" or "counterattack" without referring to the moves. --SnorlaxMonster 07:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Confusion status battle animations

Hi there, I saw that all the non-volatile status ailments have their own page which includes battle animations. I am wondering if it might be worth including battle animations for the confusion ailment somewhere, as it is a very common ailment and animations vary across generations and games. Not sure if this means it would have its own page like the non-volatile ones though. Jdthebud (talk) 06:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I have considered giving confusion its own page too. For now, having the images on status condition#confusion would be fine. --SnorlaxMonster 06:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, cool. I will probably start by just uploading the animations to the archives, then figure how to incorporate them into the article, if that's okay. Jdthebud (talk) 06:41, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Legendary beasts (M13)

sorry for bothering you (i see that you are active) but considering how bulbapedia is the most widely trusted source on this topic, could you take a look at seeing if the current moves are actually accurate? I did start a discussion here. I'm just wondering on if the moves for Entei and Raikou are 100% accurate. --Kzhang4567 (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks to be accurate, but I don't have the movie so can't check myself. --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hoenn League template edit request

I noticed that {{Hoenn League}} has a link to Drake's page in the form of "Drake (Elite Four)", even though the article's title is just "Drake". As the editing of this template is restricted, could you possibly do a favor for everyone and please remove this redirect link? Thank you. :) --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 09:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! ...Except that you only fixed the link on the sprite. The text below still has the redirect link. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Got that now too. --SnorlaxMonster 10:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


SnorlaxMonster, I saw a new user was adding information that shouldn't be added and trying to put it back, could you revert it? --Cinday123 (Talk) 07:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Handled. --SnorlaxMonster 07:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Inkay's Voice actor

Who plays the role of Inkay in the English version? --JasonL (Talk)

No idea. I haven't watched the anime in ages. --SnorlaxMonster 06:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


Sorry about that, I misread it as "Whether or not this will happen based on the personality value". Pikachu Bros. (talk) 16:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


It says in Entei's article that it served as Molly's replacement father while her real father, Spencer, was trapped in Unown's dimension. Wouldn't that apply Entei's gender as male in the Japanese version too since a father is a male person to the family? PattyMan 04:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Maybe? The Entei wasn't even real, so I don't know if it even necessarily has a gender. --SnorlaxMonster 04:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
The mirage Pokémon don't have genders so I'll say that the illusion Entei doesn't have one too. Besides, the Unown were the ones who made up the Pokémon because of a wish, not from their own doing. PattyMan 05:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I understand that you are a very active member on this Pedia. I am not sure what happens to this page: List_of_Pokemon_by_availability. It somehow always load up a blank page whenever I try to access. Who do you think I should turn to? -Iosue (talk) 08:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

The best place to bring this kind of issue up would be the article's talk page. It looks like the issue is known and being addressed. --SnorlaxMonster 08:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, lad. I will take a look at the talk page. -Iosue (talk) 09:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

archives talk

Hi there, I asked you a question related to the archives on your talk page over there, but haven't seen a reply yet. Are you not active on there? Just want to know if I should take my question somewhere else, although I was recommended to you from another s-member. Thanks, and have a nice day. Jdthebud (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Glitch sprites

So there's apparently some glitch sprites to move on archives. The problem is, they are being moved via Pokédex numbers, rather than index numbers. This creates problems, as many numbers are shared, and neither I can delete files, nor move without leaving redirect. What's the naming standard there? Because there seems to be no naming standard... (Along the way, I moved few to correspond to index number. One Yellow's glitch sprite was actually misnamed as RB sprite if I recall correctly... what.) Eridanus (talk) 11:07, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

It is currently my understanding that all glitch Pokémon with the same Pokédex number share a sprite, thus the naming scheme. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

2DS Colors

It is confusing and makes no sense to switch back and forth between showing the "accents/button" swatch colors and using the "face plate" swatch colors.

If Crimson Red is different from White + Red, then its swatch should be a different shade of red, not white like its face plate.

The article should show uniformity. Altogether there are 6 2DS variations. The Black + Blue and Black + Red, White + Red, White + Peach Pink, Pink + White and White + Sea Green. That means there are three face plate colors, but "6" accent and button colors.

Also, why did you removed the White + Peach Pink? That is a legitimate 2DS variation. This proves it. The White + Peach Pink is not the same as the Pink + White 2DS. Yamitora1 (talk) 09:45, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I made a template with two colors for use on that page instead. Since unlike other systems, the 2DS colors are clearly pairs, it seemed necessary. (Please avoid using it on other pages without checking first; I don't want it used when there is a clear base color with just a few bits of another.) I actually didn't mean to remove "Peach Pink", I just took the page back to an earlier revision and implemented some of the changes you made; however, I intentionally didn't add it when I added Pink + White because it is a non-Pokémon special edition, which we do not normally note. --SnorlaxMonster 10:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I see. Well the new way certainly does help, but if you remove the White + Peach Pink, then you should remove the Sea Green one as well. If I am not mistaken, the Sea Green 2DS is for Tomodachi Life's release so it is much in the same boat as the White + Peach Pink 2DS is for the Disney game. At least that is how most of the sites I've seen has covered the story. Yamitora1 (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I think it is intentionally coinciding with the release, but it's not strictly a promotional style. The website treats them both this way compare the descriptions and icons). Here's the Pink Peach box, whereas to my knowledge the Sea Green 2DS comes just like any other color of 2DS, and will not only be available for a limited time. --SnorlaxMonster 11:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh Ok, I had forgotten the "Disney" 2DS was a limited time only kind of thing.Yamitora1 (talk) 11:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon Infobox

It needs to not include footprint for 649+, since XY Pokedex stops using it (giving many broken links). Also, there should be note for new Abilities in G6 that existed before (like Oblivious on Feebas or Frisk on Duskull), or changes (like Speed Boost on Scolipede). I can't quite edit the template. Eridanus (talk) 10:12, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I recommend bringing up the Ability point on the Bulbawiki forum. Footprints already have redirects implemented, so I'm not going to bother modifying the template. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

{{movedesc}} usage

Would you happen to know how up to date this usage guide for the move description template is? My main concern is that it states not to include spin-off games, but the Mystery Dungeon games and Conquest are given abbreviations and descriptions from both exist on various move pages. I'm also wondering about the designated order, since most pages have FR/LG descriptions listed before Colosseum/XD ones.--Cold (talk) 05:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

IMO, they still shouldn't be. But don't go removing them from pages. I'm not sure how they are supposed to be ordered. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Confusing Encore mechanics

Could you perhaps provide an example (or examples) of what you mean by these parts?

  • "If a Pokémon is affected by Encore before it uses its move that turn, that turn it will be forced to use the move it was locked into, with the priority of the selected move."
  • "If the Pokémon is forced to use a move other than the one it selected, will target a random foe (if it can target a single foe); if the move is Acupressure, it will randomly target either the user or the ally."

One thing that's particularly confusing is "the move" in "If the move is Acupressure"; does "the move" refer to "a move the Encore'd Pokemon is forced to use other than the one it selected", and if so how would one be forced to use Acupressure (or more generally anything except Struggle)? Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

  1. Pokémon A uses Feint on turn 1. On turn 2, Pokémon B uses Encore on Pokémon A before it can use Roar, forcing it to use Feint that turn instead (but since movement order is determined at the start of the turn, Feint will still be used when Roar would have been).
  2. Pokémon A uses Tackle on turn 1. On turn 2, Pokémon B uses Encore on Pokémon A before it can use Scratch, forcing it to use Tackle that turn instead. Tackle targets a random foe, since Tackle can target a single foe.
  3. Pokémon A uses Acupressure on turn 1. On turn 2, Pokémon B uses Encore on Pokémon A before it can use Scratch, forcing it to use Acupressure that turn instead. Acupressure targets either the user or its ally randomly.
I've edited the article to clarify that line from "If the move is Acupressure" to "If the move the Pokémon is locked into is Acupressure". Basically, if you haven't already used your move when you are affected by Encore, you will be forced to use the move your are now locked into with Encore instead of the move you chose that turn. --SnorlaxMonster 03:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, that's pretty much what I understood/have experienced of Encore. My main confusion came from not understanding "it was locked into" what/whom? It didn't occur to me that you meant "the move Encore locked it into". Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Wonder Cards

I've noticed that once you get the gift, the "Please pick up your gift from the deliveryman in any Pokémon Center." changes to "You have already picked up your gift from the deliveryman." (Also, the Poké Ball icon changes color)Eridanus (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware. It's also listed in my text dump, but the only difference is the latter half of the text, which differs in the same way every time. It's not worthwhile listing the exact same text twice, just for the end bit. --SnorlaxMonster 20:23, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
We could do note the change somehow, though. Not by having everything twice, but perhaps a separate table?Eridanus (talk) 20:24, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Maybe at the top of the page could work. --SnorlaxMonster 20:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Your Request

Hi, I added the Generation V Worlds event Wonder Card texts, however, I can't load the Mamoswine picture you posted. - unsigned comment from NintendoGam3R (talkcontribs)

Thanks! Hmm, odd that the Mamoswine picture won't load for you; maybe it's because I gave you a HTTPS link? Try regular HTTP. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore, because Mintaka got back to me about it, so I don't need you to transcribe it anymore anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 03:04, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Template Langtable

I am not able to use {{tt}} when using {{Langtable}}. Can you help me? →PikaTepig999 17:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

You're going to have to be a bit more specific. I recommend just copy/pasting one that does it from another page and modifying the data to fit the page your adding it to. --SnorlaxMonster 20:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The new dub of Pokémon: Indigo League in our country changed the name of the Pokedex to Poketab. I tried adding this to the Pokedex page, by using Template tt to add a asterisk. But it was not working proprely, so I typed it without that template. About copying the source from another page, most of the pages that I have seen don't use the TT template. But {{tt}} works with {{Epilang}}. →PikaTepig999

Oh, I know what your problem was. You were trying to use quotation marks " in the tool tip. That breaks {{tt}} due to the way it's set up. You have to use &quot; if you want to do that. Anyway, I've fixed it up for you. --SnorlaxMonster 04:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! →PikaTepig999 05:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I knew I forgot something

You were in the right to revert my move. To be honest, I was a bit too quick on it and completely forgot to discuss it beforehand. Will remember to discuss next time (I will remember to do so for something else I'm working on!). If you feel this needs something more, I am open to discussion. Berrenta (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

No, you were fine. I didn't revert your move, all I did was fix the title to match what the business cards they sent out called it. --SnorlaxMonster 18:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing it up, then! Also, now that you mention it, I really need to discuss titles as well. Fortunately, that shouldn't be a problem for my current project, as it's just a revamp of an existing template. Berrenta (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


Is that appropriate to fully protect Diancie as it has already officially released at the X and Y when other Pokémon which can Mega Evolve are not protected? Raymond 06:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Japanese names and stuff to do.

So I've been messing with Generation V's location data, and there's some stuff:

Eridanus (talk) 09:37, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Updated Hoenn. Added translations and kanji to all the relevant pages you mentioned, except in cases where someone else beat me to it. Interesting that the location name for Treasure Hunter/PKMN Breeder doesn't change in Japanese B2W2. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Stranger is unused. Put the Japanese name on the talk page I guess. I think lovely place should have its own article, listing all the different event Pokémon (and others like Hayley's trades) that list it as a met location. --SnorlaxMonster 10:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Old era mini sprites.

I have no idea how you ordered that. Also, one more. Eridanus (talk) 10:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Index number. I forget where I got the index numbers (maybe it was, but I'm sure those are correct. There's probably 255 in total if you include glitch ones (maybe 256, but I'm guessing 0 will be blank). Also, there's a list of all the Gen I Pokémon by minisprite here, but I haven't gotten around to putting those in a table yet. --SnorlaxMonster 10:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I am fairly sure index number in G2 is basically No. in hexadecimal numbering. Changing RAM storing species to 01 gives me a Bulbasaur, not a Poliwag. (If we're going by Generation I, it's a Rhydon). Unless you're ordering the sprites itself, then I have no idea. (And I am not sure, but some of the sprites might have been added in the Crystal, like Pikachu was added in Yellow)Eridanus (talk) 11:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Here we go. Re-reading the description, they might not be index numbers. If you can get a list of index numbers, I would appreciate it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
...You mean this? Eridanus (talk) 11:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I mean the index numbers of the minisprites. Since they're not unique to the Pokémon, I would find it strange for them to be duplicated for every Pokémon that uses them. --SnorlaxMonster 11:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I was confused, I thought you were refering to the Pokémon, not the sprites. (So the linked numbers are probably right... I guess.) - unsigned comment from Eridanus (talkcontribs)
Hope you don't mind if I butt in here. Those values in the G/S Useful Offsets Thread are in fact index numbers. The offset in Gold is actually $8E975 though, not $8E976. Now, the first six values are 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 26. This is because the value entries start for ID 001 and follow on +1, so Bulbasaur-Venusaur is 16, Charmander-Charmeleon is 17, and Charizard is 26.
In Red/Blue, only one nybble (one digit of a byte) is used for a Pokémon's menu sprite (values start at $7190D), in the order most significant nybble->least significant nybble (so Venusaur/Charmander is 70, because Venusaur's menu sprite is 7, and Charmander's is 0). There are 10 valid values (0-9), leaving A-F as the only invalid menu sprites in Generation I, but one of those might be valid in Yellow for Pikachu. Missingno. happens to use an invalid one (0x0F in Red/Blue, apparently). More information can be found here. --Chickasaurus (talk) 12:23, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
PS. So I decided to some research on Generation II, and I came to conclusion some of the files might need renaming. Certainly the "Dog" sprite should be renamed to Animal, as most of the Pokémon with it are based on mundane animals (rats, cats, dogs, foxes, sheep, etc.). Eridanus (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Now if I knew how to use that to find which value is Pikachu. Eridanus (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, Eridanus you were the one to upload and name those files, and you have have the Ability to move files on the Archives. They are currently barely used (the Dog one is only on my userspace page and DoTheWave's), so if you think they should be renamed go ahead. Do all the ????? use the same minisprite, and if they do, is it always the same or does is vary dependent on things like location? If it is constant, could you upload it? --SnorlaxMonster 09:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, FC and FE use Lapras-like sprite in Crystal and 00 uses Slowpoke sprite in Silver (and presumably Gold?). There seems to be 3 different glitch sprites in total (I updated the Tumblr post). I have no idea if you can make them differ within the species and version. And yes, I did name the sprites. I am not sure how to rename some of them (Like the one that looks like a shell. Clams, crabs, ammonnites, trilobite, coral... I swear you can somehow group these... marine/naval?) Eridanus (talk) 10:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
By vary, I mean like in Gen I. Some glitch Pokémon have minisprites that are different depending on the location of the player. I assume you listing one of the ????? as 09 was a type and meant to be 00. The one that looks like a shell, just call it Shell. --SnorlaxMonster 10:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it was 00. That shell-like sprite already called Shell. The Ball is probably representing artifical Pokémon (Voltorb and Electrode are supposedly living Poké Balls, Magnemite and Magneton are living magnets, while Porygon and Porygon2 are humanmade), while the Blob is mostly amorphous (Grimer and Muk are piles of liquid sludge. Slugma, and mostly Magcargo, are liquid lava, while Ditto is most clearly amorphous. Only Koffing and Weezing don't exactly fit). The Clefairy one seem to be fairy-like (Cleffa and Chansey line). Gengar ones has all 4 Ghost-types existing back then, and Wobbuffet. Other are either fine, or can't really be classified otherwise. About the locations changing - I've tried going to bunch of locations (most of the outside places, plus most of the landmarks, and some other buildings), but it didn't change. Either I am not trying hard enough, they change in other way than visiting the places, or they don't change at all. Eridanus (talk) 11:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

BulbaNews Shiny Jirachi Article

Just saw this. Might make more sense to use this iamge instead. Just IMO. =) CycloneGU (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

It's an old article, so there's no need to modify it at this point. Moreover, we wouldn't use unofficial artwork (even fan-modified versions of official artwork) in the article. --SnorlaxMonster 05:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah, so that was unofficial? Interesting.
And good news for me: I got my Shiny Jirachi today. The possible minus is it's dated August 7, but there appear to be two with that date and two dated August 1 floating around today. I'm guessing the August 7 were just the wrong dates on the 3DS. I did a cloning request and got the big benefit of keeping my own out of it, and already sent one to a friend. =D CycloneGU (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be promotional artwork for the event, though. Eridanus (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)


I have edited the main space pages Bonsly and Pikachu! Why can't I create my user page!? Meganium100 (talk) 11:11, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

In order to create your userpage, you must first be autoconfirmed. To become autoconfirmed, you must first have a (small) unspecified number of edits and have had a Bulbapedia account for a (short) unspecified period of time. The specific number of edits are intentionally undisclosed so that users do not only make that number of edits just to get the ability to edit their userpage. --SnorlaxMonster 11:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

splitting move animations into core and spinoff games

Hey there, I see that we are getting a lot more move animations from the spinoff games (Mystery Dungeon especially). Was thinking we should have the "other generations" sections split. See the Blizzard page for a recent edit I made for that - it had lots of images in that section so I split it so it looks more formal. What do you think? --Jdthebud (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea of splitting the images between core series and side series, but I would rather separate side series (Stadium, Colo, PBR, etc.) from spin-off (PMD, Rumble, etc.) --SnorlaxMonster 05:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, but the "Side series" template just redirects to the "Spin-off series" template, which confuses me as to what is considered Side series games or Spin-off games. I used the labels "Main series games" and "Side series games" on the Blizzard page as those are the terms I am most familiar with, but what are the official terms (if applicable) and what games fit under them? --Jdthebud (talk) 05:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Can I get an answer here? It's been a week. --Jdthebud (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Bring up the issue of the difference between the "side series" and spin-off games on the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


I knew that was coming. But since the information is confirmed, where does it belong? Pikachu will need edit protection now, I think, because it will be the target of mass edits. CycloneGU (talk) 19:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Like this is fine. --SnorlaxMonster 05:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Ice Punch and such

Now it implies that Jynx can be a father... even though they're female-only. The header should be change, at least for Generation VI. Eridanus (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It's been on Wake-Up Slap for a while anyway. I guess I could change it to "parent", but it makes it slightly less accurate for things like Snorlax passing down Lick to Snorlax. --SnorlaxMonster 10:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
It will probably be changed to "Parent" in the new version. --SnorlaxMonster 05:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

BW stairs

I just uploaded BW-style stairs; you could update G5 catch entries, as they currently use HGSS-style. (I am currently mapping Twist Mountain, if you want to know the source). Eridanus (talk) 19:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 05:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Colosseum Shiny Jirachi

Hey, SnorlaxMonster. Just wondering if you still have proof that the Shiny Jirachi from the Colosseum bonus disc cannot be transfered over. I ask since I had heard that it had been fixed a bit ago and only took notice of the issue with your recent edit. Link: 1, 2, 3, 4 --Super goku (talk) 00:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Apparently the GTS and Transporter use the same filter. I haven't gotten someone to test it, but since Shiny Jirachi is now legitimately obtainable in Gen VI, it is likely that it will be allowed to be transported. --SnorlaxMonster 05:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

New information

You might want to check out Talk:List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number (Generation III) as it has some new information regarding the new Pokédex numbering for ORAS regarding Pikachu, Milotic, and Salamence where their number for the Hoenn Dex is different from the original RS games. Wanted to give you the heads up as the pages for those three and their others forms might have to be protected or semi-protected to avoid any bad edits. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Wonder Card lists for Gens III and IV

Since there is no fixed list, how about a "List of (officially) distributed Wonder Cards in Generation III/IV"? SatoMew 16:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Events are already listed with their Wonder Cards. So all the distributed Wonder Cards are already on the relevant lists. --SnorlaxMonster 16:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Then should the "See also" section of Wonder Card direct to those lists then? They are listing the Wonder Cards too, after all. SatoMew 17:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
No, I don't think that's necessary. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Cheren and Abilities

So I managed Cheren to get... explanations on Abilities. He named few interesting things: recoil, status conditions, weather (in different ways), sound-based moves and contact moves (as direct attacks), and probably few other things I missed. Eridanus (talk) 14:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Roxanne's Nosepass

I remember looking into it years ago. Roxanne calls out "Hakai Kousen!", Japanese for Hyper Beam. But the animation implies that it is an electrical move. What this all stemmed from was a script error, most likely. The dub seemed to caught that something wasn't right and called it Thunder Wave to correct the mistake but we don't have any proof of what the attack was supposed to be. --ケンジガール 09:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Here is where it got removed from the page. I remembered someone complaining that there was no error in the Japanese version, resulting in it getting removed from the anime move errors page. --SnorlaxMonster 11:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Vanishing Pokémon Glitch

I might have found a glitch in Pokémon Y that causes Pokémon to disappear from your PC. It occurred to me on several occasions. Would it be notable enough to add to the list of glitches in Gen VI? - unsigned comment from Player3.25 (talkcontribs)

You're going to have to go into more detail than that. --SnorlaxMonster 09:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Steam Eruption and other moves on the List of Moves article

I was on the List of Moves article, and Steam Eruption and Hyperspace Hole were on there. I removed them since to my knowledge they are unverified and last I checked, we do not add things until officially verified as closely as possible.

But then I noticed that Thousand Arrow, Thousand Wave and Light of Ruin were also on the list. So before I go and remove them, I just wanted to verify that they are not suppose to be there. Yamitora1 (talk) 18:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

They had had their indices verified by Kaphotics, who has done a lot of hacking of Pokémon games in the past. I personally think they should stay, but I suggest you bring this up with the Editorial Board. The decision not to cover them right now is theirs, so if they decide such moves should not be mentioned, it is up to them. (I would suggest contacting Jo The Marten, Head of Games.) --SnorlaxMonster 08:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Using tooltips for translations

Hey, SnorlaxMonster. I was wondering what was your opinion on using the tooltip far translations in the "In other languages" section. I am asking since I have notice it occasionally has been removed in the past. --Super goku (talk) 03:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't particularly like it. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

N's text after defeat.

Apparently, Black's text dump had lowercase c, the same as White (as you mentioned in the edit from 2013)/ But Marriland's Wedlocke seems to prove otherwise. Here is White, for comparision. I am not sure now if the dump was wrong or Marriland's game's different or what. Eridanus (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I no longer have my English text dump of Black (I do have a Japanese one). I trust actual gameplay footage over what I thought a year and a hlaf ago. --SnorlaxMonster 15:01, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Generation I and II stats.

I've noticed that in Generation I and II, if a Pokémon tries to lower or raise a stat that's at 1 or 999, respectively, the move will fail (additionally, any stat that's not HP will be reduced to 999 in-battle if it's anything higher). This doesn't happen Generation III onwards. I don't think it's noted anywhere on the site, is it? Eridanus (talk) 09:19, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I know there is that Thick Club glitch though, where Marowak's attack overflows. --SnorlaxMonster 09:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Diancie Protection

Even though its mega has not been released yet, like some of the other new megas, surely it would be smarter to leave it unprotected from regular users because of the sheer amount of information that is missing (Moves, Pokédex, etc.)--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 15:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Source of my HP bar sprite

I didn't read the Bulbagarden Archives image policies before uploading XY HP bar.png, I'm so sorry. I do have a capture board installed, so this is my source image, taken by myself. Is there anything else I need to do? Chickasaurus (talk) 17:58, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Ensuring that people do actually have capture cards is done by Kogoro. Here is what was requested last time. You should contact her on her Archives talk page about it. --SnorlaxMonster 08:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Vietnam translations

Hi, i'm new and very bad at English so I am sory.these name are translated by Vietnam Pokemon fan. We don't have official name yet, so we have to translate our self to show that Pokemon fandom in Vietnam is strong and not inferior any other countrys pokemon fan.if you have to remove them then is fine and i'm really, really sory for that. - unsigned comment from Kienkonlonton (talkcontribs)

Unknown type

For some reason, since sometime (before the August edits) it lists Unknown type in the two templates on my userpage, even though I haven't touched them for few months before August (and they were okay back then). Any idea why? These two are the only. Eridanus (talk) 10:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed it for you. --SnorlaxMonster 12:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Featured articles

Don't you think that featured articles should be used up to now? Please consider it. --PokémonXXXPlayer (talk) 17:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. Bulbapedia no longer uses a featured article system. Articles that were featured articles back when we used the system are still tagged as such, however. --SnorlaxMonster 09:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Template: Side series

Hey, SnorlaxMonster. I wanted to ask a question on the discussion about the side series template. Right now it is a redirect to the spin-off template and both are options on the spin-off template. According to a old discussion involving Werdnae, the idea to rename games from spin-off to side series was put on hold until there was an Editorial Board discussion. On the talk page for the template, you mention that there would be a discussion after X and Y were released once you pushed for one. For my question, has the Editorial Board started a discussion on the side series/spin-off issue? --Super goku (talk) 03:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Bring up the issue of the difference between the "side series" and spin-off games on the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Movegen G4 split.

I've noticed that, unlike G5 and G6, there seems to be no way to get "DPPt" without having "HGSS" in the same template (as it otherwise default to Generation IV), which sometimes wastes space, like here. Eridanus (talk) 16:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

IMO, it's better to have them on the same line anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Some glitch help I need

Hi. Sorry for bothering you with this, but until almost a year ago, I kept adding some glitch-related issues for you to solve, and apparently they remained unnoticed, even with reminders like this one. Once again, now that you seem to have been reading this page more often, could I please make another appeal to your responsability as a staff member and the leader of the project, and expect some answers? オリナル TheOriginalOne 19:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Bulbanews and Cliff Sword

In n:CoroCoro reveals Mega Gallade, Sharpedo, Camerupt, the Japanese you wrote for Cliff Sword's name (だんがいのする) is wrong. It's だんがいのつるぎ. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks like I didn't pay close enough attention to my kana converter. --SnorlaxMonster 15:25, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Moves articles

Okay, how does the "Effect" section work? For some moves, the Generation header is used only when an existing mechanic is changed (like with Cotton Spore changing targeting in Generation VI, moves changing power/accuracy/PP/etc., or Razor Leaf, which has no headers at all). But some do that for new mechanics that were impossible in previous Generations, like String Shot header for targeting (which technically has not changed, only new kinds of battles were introduced). I am confused, and I probably in that confusion did some goofs myself. Eridanus (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

If nothing has actually changed, only the move behaving differently under circumstances that didn't previously exist, then there's no need for a separate section. So String Shot didn't need an extra section. --SnorlaxMonster 14:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Page move needed

Someone created a page for the new Pokedex list for Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The old Hoenn Pokedex page needs to be moved so this page can be moved to that page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Here is the new page List of Pokémon by ORAS Pokédex number‎. -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:18, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help and if you want to stop on by for the talk page discussion regarding the move of the Pokedex list for the original Hoenn numbering go right ahead. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the current title is a temporary measure. I don't know how it should be handled. --SnorlaxMonster 17:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
There is also the issue of updating the pages of the pages of all the Hoenn Pokemon past Gardevior and the 9 new Pokemon to the Hoenn Dex, just like with HeartGold and SoulSilver. I tried to do that with Gallade carefully, but the poor previewing I was getting forced me to quit. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Now that I think about it a block to prevent the new page from being moved by a non-staff member maybe a good idea while this business is being sorted out. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


I've gotten almost all moves in the corret order, source being the data ProjectPokemon found from the demo. However, the Magma and Aqua Boss moves I haven't managed to put in a correct order, to feel free to fix them if needed. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Marowak Stadium entry

Hi! As you had noticed, I've gone through all RB, Stadium and GS Pokédex entries today with the actual games in front of me, and I've corrected a few of them. I've tried to copy the entries exactly (hyphens, commas, spelling, everything), but I encountered one problematic entry. You seem to be the guy to ask this to, since you actually noticed what I had done! Marowak's Stadium entry reads: "Originally a small and weak Pokémon, it became rough and aggressive when it BEGIN using bones as weapons." It looks like this should have been BEGAN, but I decided to enter what the game says and not what I think it should have said. If this is wrong, please let me know. Also, if we leave it like this, is it possible to add a note so that people won't change it back into the 'correct' form? Thanks in advance, Thomasdenhaan (talk) 12:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC) (EDIT: I've done only the GEN II entries of GS, though)

It should match the game itself, so if there's a mistake in the source, that is also what we should display. You can add comments that old show up when editing a page by enclosing the comment between <!-- and -->. So in this situation, I think it would be a good idea to include a comment such as <!--error in game-->.
Something else I should note: When the text is in ALLCAPS in-game, typically we format it using smallcaps (which is done with <sc> and </sc>). So for Abra's page, since Teleport is formatted TELEPORT in-game, we would usually format that as Teleport, which is done using the code <sc>Teleport</sc>. --SnorlaxMonster 12:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful reply. I've added the comment and I've changed some text into small caps, but I noticed that a lot of Pokémon names, moves and items are not in small caps in the older entries. Isn't this something an automatic script could do? Thanks again! Thomasdenhaan (talk) 13:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I guess I probably could set something up. I have access to text dumps of the games (but not Stadium) and AWB, so I might be able to work something out, but not anytime soon. Don't worry about it too much, just include it whenever you're adding new entries. --SnorlaxMonster 13:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I will definitely do that. Thanks! Thomasdenhaan (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hoenn Safari Zone

The Hoenn Safari Zone pages needs a major update. While I did something to get it started, could you look it over and see if you can improve it? By the way, thank you for your update on the Trick House. -Tyler53841 (talk) 15:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

I haven't gotten that far in the game yet. Once I get to that point, I'll update the page. --SnorlaxMonster 18:17, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

ORAS encounter rates

You've added ORAS encounter rates to a few areas. I wish to see encounter rates added for all of ORAS (or as much as possible). Kogoro has declined to give me the okay to use Kaphotics'/Project Pokemon's (/SciresM's) dumped ORAS data, but I assume whatever data you're using must be okay for at least you and perhaps for anyone to use.

In short: can you add encounter data for all ORAS areas? Or can you show me the data you've used so that I may add it? ...Are you just using SciresM's Final ORAS Encounter Tables] Pastebin file?

As an aside: do you know if Project Pokemon's ORAS research directory is meant to be "released to the public"? There are some very useful images in there—most notably Mega sprites—that could be used around the wiki. If it is meant to be freely used, I may try to prevail upon Kogoro again to see if she will allow those images (and/or more) to be used. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is where I got the info from. I was originally going to advise you to be cautious due to it only covering one version, but it's a bit late for that. And yes, I believe that directory is intended to be publicly accessible. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Mold Breaker

I did not consider that. Touché. It's possible for it NOT to have the ability (Rivalry or the HA Unnerve), but I also forgot that mine has that ability. CycloneGU (talk) 04:41, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Help Requested (Templates)

We are finding out via the ability to sneak up on Pokémon about new Egg Moves. For instance, I found Charm and Fake Tears on Plusle and Minun ARE valid Egg Moves, appearing in the same fashion (Fake Tears can be learned at Lv.25, but that's irrelevant), and I have a Lv.16 Plusle caught in OR to prove both that and the edits I made at Hoenn Route 110 earlier. I made my initial edits only at Minun, but they are also needed for Plusle. The thing they need, aside from breeding data itself, is the OR/AS tag like all the others; I looked at the breed4 template and another species' data for help, but it didn't seem to work the same way. Can you make the necessary changes at Minun's page so that I may use that as a reference for any other missing new Egg Moves in the future? Hopefully other users can help with breeding data, as my find was chiefly that they are new Egg Moves, though I will add Plusle and Minun as breeding options. CycloneGU (talk) 06:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I found the breed6 template and attempted to mimick the breed4 template by changing the switches around to have X/Y/OR/AS data instead, and after making that edit attempted to use the new tags at Minun, but I think there is still something that needs to be created behind the scenes. I see nothing more I can do in terms of making the template work for that reason. I've already changed all of Minun's Egg Move data over to the new template and attempted to add the tag as the specified spot (10) for Charm and Fake Tears, but the tag is simply not appearing. That's the only thing needed. I noted it might have been an oversight to not lock the template, but I wanted to see if I could get it working myself; clearly there's something that is outside of the actual template coding to be done. I'm still researching, but otherwise am done editing for now unless I figure it out, with my next planned editing being figuring out the Egg Move breeders for Charm and Fake Tears. =)
I'll be in the Bulbagarden chat later; I'm not a member of the forum at present, and just hang out in there. CycloneGU (talk) 18:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
One more note on this: Appeal, Beauty, and Jam are not listed as labels for the columns on the TM/HM template or the breeding moves template. The tutoring template, while it includes X/Y/OR/AS labels (for obvious reasons), also doesn't have columns for the three entries. I noticed at Poochyena that the level-up headers ARE in place; that's the only table layout that is complete. CycloneGU (talk) 20:51, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Creation request

Hi SnorlaxMonster, can you restore O (glitch Pokémon) please, because I've got it with the remaining HP glitch and a new trick I found. When I made that page I was more naive with glitches and editing, so it may need some adjustments. Chickasaurus (talk) 16:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'll work on cleaning it up. :) Chickasaurus (talk) 16:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Secret Base Trainer Grunt

Grunt is the name that the Secret Pals in bases collected from other players all carry. The player who owns the base they're in will see their real names and teams, but anyone who visits the base via StreetPass/SpotPass or QR codes will see "Secret Base Trainer Grunt" and a team based on the avatar's trainer class. --The Great Butler (talk) 05:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I found another secret base that did have the player in it and discovered that. Looks like the Secret Base Trainer Grunts have preset teams (not sure how they get their levels though). Thanks anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 06:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Creation permission

When I get autoconfirmed, can I have permission to create the following pages?

  • PokéNav Plus
  • BuzzNav
  • AreaNav
  • PlayNav

Although I noticed that the last three are not notable enough to deserve it's own page, so I might just put them in the PokéNav Plus page. Thanks! -Safyire[Talk] 06:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I think we should have a page for the PokéNav Plus, absolutely. PlayNav certainly doesn't seem notable to me, and would work as just a section of PokéNav Plus. If you think you can justify giving BuzzNav and AreaNav their own pages then go ahead, but if they seem too short just keep them on the PokéNav Plus page. --SnorlaxMonster 06:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Console Button template?

Is there a template to make aesthetically appealing button inputs, perhaps something that makes it look like the actual buttons on the console? I ask because I would like to make the stunt table for the soaring in the sky article a little more eye appealing. Yamitora1 (talk) 10:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Nope. You can try and make one in your userspace if you want. --SnorlaxMonster 10:38, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not too good with code stuff, how would I go about that?
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I do have button images I made for a 2DS redesign, could we some use those? Yamitora1 (talk) 11:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Breeding and tutor template.

If the Pokémon is set to be from Generation I, they link to the pages of G1 movesets, even though these two concepts did not exist in Generation I (unless you count the Surfachu for the move tutor part). Eridanus (talk) 14:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I think it's still worthwhile as an easy link to previous generation pages. If you want, bring it up in the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Moveentry/TM3 Template Edit

I should note I posted on Kogoro's talk page earlier asking this, but just realized Kogoro hasn't edited for the last week, so might be away on vacation or something. Pursuant to my post there, and referring to Dive, can you please edit all templates similar to Moveentry/TM3 to have a split column for Generation VI possible? I see you already put both TM94 and HM06 on Rock Smash, but Dive was not available in X/Y and therefore the split is needed to not give the wrong assumption there. I have Wailmer and Wailord set as "yes" on the Gen. VI column for now, but an "ORAS" tag or something like the "HGSS" tag would help with clarity for readers.

This split is also needed on the learnsets; I actually edited this evening (also on Dive) and only now realized that the data I edited is being noted as applied to both games, but I overwrote X/Y with OR/AS levelup data, so the split column is even more vital on that table. If it's already in, I have yet to encounter it.

Please reply here if you update the templates so I can go get used to using them to edit on the move pages. Thanks! CycloneGU (talk) 04:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Any update here? If I'm asking the wrong person, please direct me to the right party. Already seen pages with a different format in the sixth column. CycloneGU (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure why the move tables haven't been updated to allow them to split like they have been for previous games. You've contacted Kogoro, who is the right person to ask. If there's a reason for it, she'll let you know, otherwise she will likely fix it. --SnorlaxMonster 16:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
All right, I'll wait patiently for Kogoro to return, then. I did see some cases already where data was entered on two separate lines with notes, ironically on a page where splits were in the other columns. I'm sure it will be updated, so I'll be patient. I'm busy on another project anyway! CycloneGU (talk) 16:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

As to being mistaken for

Are we really dismissing the facts here? It's a very predominant notion among fans that Red=Ash and Blue=Gary, which completely ignores the canons. I don't see why mentioning this is somehow not notable. It does not happen with other characters in the franchise, at least not to the extent of being notorious. SatoMew 15:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but is it really any different to thinking of Red (Adventures) as the same character as Red (game)? I'm not sure it's even correct to say calling them the same character is mistaken, because they don't exist in the same canon. Perhaps it would be better expressed as being mistakenly named, since the name of Red (game) is not Ash, but many people mistakenly call him Ash? --SnorlaxMonster 15:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
I think people really consider them the same character, an idea that goes well beyond the characters' names. And what about Game Freak actually calling Red Satoshi in earlier publications? SatoMew 15:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
And my point was that considering them the same character might not actually be that wrong, since they are cross-canon counterparts; the problem is that people confuse the names of the counterparts. Of course, since Red's name isn't even fixed and Ash is one of the defaults (as well as the very early promotional material mentioned in Red's trivia section), so it may be the case that even that isn't wrong either. They are no more different than game Lorelei and anime Lorelei (Prima). Stating outright that they're different characters doesn't really make that much sense. --SnorlaxMonster 16:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


The games were released in November 2002 and CERO was founded in July 2002 yet they weren't rated? Or is it missing? And are FRLG's and Emerald's ratings correct? SatoMew 17:14, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

You can search CERO's database here. Searching for 「ポケットモンスター」, Ruby and Sapphire don't show up. The classifications also aren't on their Japanese boxart, unlike games that have been classified by CERO. I don't know for sure, but my guess is that CERO didn't start classifying games immediately after they were founded, or it wasn't a mandatory thing right away so many games released shortly after they were established just weren't classified. This says that the system started on October 1, 2002. --SnorlaxMonster 17:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
On a related note, while I guess expanding "N/A" into "Not applicable" is helpful, I don't really see the difference between it and "Unrated". In both cases, the game was not rated and there is no applicable rating. --SnorlaxMonster 17:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, that clears it up. Thanks.
By "not applicable", I mean that the rating does not apply to the game because it wasn't released in that particular market. "Unrated" means it was released there but that it was not classified by the country's responsible entity for whatever reason. SatoMew 18:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
If the game was released before the classification system was established, I think that it is still reasonable to refer to it as "Not applicable". "Unrated" sounds like there was an active decision not to classify the game (e.g. it was refused classification or classification was deemed unnecessary due to the nature of the product). --SnorlaxMonster 18:16, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Beauty vs. Beautiful

Sorry to bother you again today. =) Has there been a consensus achieved on whether this Wiki is using "Beauty" or "Beautiful" on the contest information? I have seen "Beauty" everywhere, and maybe older generations use that term, but Cold correctly states what I knew initially, that ORAS uses "Beautiful". We probably should use that instead of Beauty, right? I switched to Beauty after seeing it used commonly, but I've been wondering this for a while. CycloneGU (talk) 00:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Lady Ariel popped in and served as a third voice. I'm in agreement, so this is concluded. Gen. VI should say "Beautiful", not "Beauty". Thanks anyway! CycloneGU (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Hidden Pokemon chaining

A while ago, you changed the wording of the chaining section of DexNav from saying that a chain increases when "a hidden Pokemon of any species" is encountered to saying it increases when the player captures/defeats "a hidden Pokemon of that species", where "that" is completely ambiguous. I took it to mean "the same species" (and encountering a different species breaks a chain), but was the original wording actually accurate? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I believe I was also the one who added "any", since the person who added it left it ambiguous. When I tried it out, I found that encountering a Pokémon of a different species broke the chain, so I changed it as such; however, I was not incredibly thorough, so it is possible that was incorrect. --SnorlaxMonster 05:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I've been playing with chaining, so let me help starting from the last revision before your edits, which states:
Every time the player captures or defeats a hidden Pokémon of that species, the chain increases; the chain will be broken if the player flees or the Pokémon escapes with Teleport.
To be more clear with what is fact, if the Pokémon being chained can't be found and another Pokémon appears, the chain still increases. My first full-on chain attempt was with Sandshrew, and when one couldn't be found on Route 113 after several attempts, a Spinda appeared. It turned out to be Lv.30. The chain continues with other species, and doesn't have to exclusively be that species.
The current revision (from Tiddlywinks) now says nothing about another Pokémon being encountered. I will make this edit. I will include my own example in the edit summary. Also, the chain broke after a Lv.37 Sandshrew was captured when a random Spinda got in the way of an encounter, so that I can confirm breaks chains (and is well known). CycloneGU (talk) 05:30, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, how do you tell that a chain is continuing? Just by the level bonus from chaining? Like, if the bonus suddenly resets (short of the wrap at 100), the chain must have been broken? ...If so, is there a good way to tell if the chain actually breaks on 100? Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
You should keep count, but with exception to the 100-reset, the higher levels are a good way to tell it's continuing. If your count is 100, or close to it, and it resets after a successful capture/defeat, chances are you're still chaining and you just have to increase the levels once more. But yes, the higher levels are really the key, and the thing you notice drop immediately.
When I speak of levels, BTW, I mean the base level - not the boosts. For instance, going back to Route 113, you can actually encounter a Lv.28 Sandshrew, Spinda, or Skarmory (or any exclusives after catching the legendary) as a first encounter; this has nothing to do with chaining. But after 20 battles, the base level should be increased by 4, making 19-22 the encounter range starting at battle 21, and any boosted level would be from 29-32. After 40 battles, you're working with 23-26, boosts up to Lv.36. I have a Lv.37 capture, which can be done between battles 46-65 inclusive (at 46-50, base range is 24-27; at 61-65, base is 27-30; add 10 in each case and in between). My chain broke - I think - at 62, not long after capturing the Lv.37 specimen. CycloneGU (talk) 06:20, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
For determining if the chain actually continues or breaks at 100, I'd suggest monitoring the frequency of special traits; if they are very frequent, then the chain probably continues, otherwise it probably doesn't. I haven't gotten anywhere near a chain of 100 though, so I don't know. --SnorlaxMonster 06:30, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Wait...then why exactly do chains break in your experience (both "you"s)? It sounds like chaining should be dead simple if you've just got Repels. (And this Reddit thread supports that it doesn't matter if you get different species.) Is it perhaps just accidents like pushing the Circle Pad too far while sneaking and scaring a hidden Pokemon? Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:43, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
From what I understand, chaining is pretty easy. However, it would break if you couldn't get to the Pokémon in time (the time before it runs away might decrease as the chain increases). I haven't really done much chaining though, so I don't know. Also, I guess if you run out of PP to knock out the wild Pokémon.
Interestingly, that Reddit page notes that for tall grass hidden Pokémon at least, NPCs can walk into those tiles and make them leave (alternatlnately, it might have been about to leave anyway, and the NPC stepped there because it did). With water hidden Pokémon, I've had swimmers just swim into them as if they were a wall. --SnorlaxMonster 07:07, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I watched an NPC scare a Pokémon off swimming around before. It was only the second bob.
What I do know is that the +5/+10 boost, hidden abilities, and Egg Moves have absolutely nothing to do with chaining whatsoever. The high IVs (3+ stars, exclamation point) don't, either. A first encounter can occur with any of these attributes. For me, all have occurred on a first encounter, either together with another or individually. So the only indication we have of chains is the battle level, IMO. One thing that I am not sure is covered is the holding of items, however; Pelipper, for example, holds Lucky Eggs when found via the DexNav, and sometimes it's a Pretty Wing instead. CycloneGU (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
It's not "absolutely nothing". They can occur on the first encounter, but they become increasingly more likely as you increase your chain (most notably, Shiny Pokémon become significantly more common for longer chains). --SnorlaxMonster 07:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Has it been documented to be more common? I can run some sample chains and collect the data from them; I have to train anyway for my Victory Road run, so maybe chaining in earlier Routes would give me some easy experience. I also have lots of Leppa Berries. CycloneGU (talk) 07:47, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Regarding "DexNav Exclusive" - using that term on the page is consistent with the Route pages, which all use that term for the same Pokémon. Let's not mix terms. CycloneGU (talk) 07:54, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm certain chaining makes Pokémon more likely to be Shiny, since that's the whole point of chaining.
"DexNav exclusive" is a misleading term because you can find them without ever using DexNav, since they just show up as regular hidden Pokémon; DexNav-exclusive makes it sound like you need to use the search function to find them. --SnorlaxMonster 08:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm following the precedent set by every Route article for Generation VI.
Speaking of that, they all say they appear after the National Pokédex is acquired. I knew I'd read that somewhere, and I realized that was wrong before I ever went to get the National Pokédex. So a lot of edits need to be made. I already removed it from Route 110 when I made edits to include Plusle and Minun as DexNav exclusive (in opposite games) since they can be hunted after being originally caught in a horde with the other; that might be an inaccurate way to put it, but they can be encountered singly using DexNav at Lv.6, so it qualifies IMO. CycloneGU (talk) 08:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Replying to myself now. LOL Tiddlywinks eventually undid that and I only noticed it now. But they can be hunted singly with DexNav, so it's worth noting it, and the National Pokédex bit still needs to be corrected. CycloneGU (talk) 08:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

(resetting indent)This got confusing all of a sudden... If I'm gonna comment on some of the above, it'll be after research (and in a dedicated section =P ). For now, I'll just comment that it sounds like "DexNav exclusive" is not the best choice of words, as SnorlaxMonster explains above. I imagine "hidden Pokemon exclusive" is basically adequate, but instead of trying to turn it directly into an adjectival phrase ("hidden Pokemon-exclusive encounters"), that would be better rendered, "encounters exclusive to hidden Pokemon". Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

In regards to encountering horde-exclusive Pokémon by themselves with the search function, I think that is best left to the DexNav page. I previewed a few different ways of listing DexNav Pokémon in a separate section, but nothing looks good (especially with the way Surfing and fishing Pokémon are handled) and they were very redundant anyway. Just leave the pages the way they are now IMO. --SnorlaxMonster 09:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

"DexNav Exclusive"

Carrying on from the prior section, but giving a new section because I'm posting a template in here.

Here's what we see on every Route page, using the current revision of the linked Route 113 as an example:

Pokémon Games Location Levels Rate
DexNav exclusive*
A colored background means that the Pokémon can be found in this location in the specified game. A white background with a colored letter means that the Pokémon cannot be found here.

It says "DexNav Exclusive" right there. And the tooltip says you require the National Pokédex, which is untrue. So, in the end, to make sure none are missed, we're going to need to have a bot make edits to whatever is agreed upon in place of "DexNav Exclusive". That said, ArtMax97 made the December 2 edit to Route 101 saying "DexNav Exclusive", so maybe his reasoning should be considered. Personally, I suggest that the tail has to stick out of the grass, DexNav would confirm the species, and then you still don't encounter it randomly, having to use DexNav if you want to obtain a specific species that is only available through hidden tails. Trading the species in and back out also clears it as caught, letting someone DexNav their own immediately. So DexNav Exclusive still seems fine to me. But we have to be consistent with Route pages, and we have to correct the National Dex note on every single page as you do it after the legendary is defeated or captured. I can confirm this, and several Pokémon were not entered as they were "not from Hoenn". I've since obtained the National Dex and they are entering as normal. CycloneGU (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

As SnorlaxMonster has stated, if you do not need to use DexNav to find the Pokemon, it's not "DexNav exclusive". If you can run around, wait for hidden Pokemon to pop up, and sneak up on them and find non-Hoenn Pokemon, all without ever touching DexNav, then it's not "DexNav exclusive". Changing all of the encounter tables is no problem whatsoever.
What do you mean by your last two sentences (after "I can confirm this")? "not entered" and "entering as normal"...I can't tell what you're referring to. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, that's a reference to catching a Pokémon that only appears after Groudon/Kyogre is captured/defeated. For instance, Finneon appeared, which surprised me because I thought I had to get the National Dex. When I captured it, it said, bluntly, that the Pokémon could not be registered because it's not from Hoenn. The Dex entry is not available until the National Dex is acquired, but you can still catch and evolve everything available at that point, including Mirage Spots (I got Cherrim and three others from one, again without the National Dex).
If you wish to keep the table trimmed, that's fine too. I just wanted to be complete. We may have to agree to disagree on the term "DexNav Exclusive" one way or another, but I think it's one of those subjects that requires more input than just the three of us. Whatever is done, all tables need to have it applied; that was the point of this branch of the conversation. CycloneGU (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
So I made a suggestion for how to display this on Hoenn Route 101. Tiddlywinks then modified it slightly, then implemented in across all the location pages. I hope you are happy with the new, accurately worded style. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


How is this data determined for ensuing battles? Does it look up your current progress and assign the data from that point? As an example, I just visited Gabby and Ty (the interviewer pair with Magneton and Exploud) and they were not Lv.29 for their rematch, but instead a whopping Lv.45. Not expecting that, I had a team maxed at Lv.39 and got my butt handed to me while Magneton, the only survivor, had 1 HP left. Obviously I'll add the data once I know how much money is made from winning, but going back with a Ground type or two. CycloneGU (talk) 01:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think rematch teams are dependant on how far through the game you are, at least in ORAS. Likely Badge count. --SnorlaxMonster 03:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I bit and posted on the forum regarding this one. We need to completely revisit how rematch data is on the charts here. I think separating it, optionally giving each set of data its own section, might be the way to go. I'll be getting Alpha Sapphire in the coming days and will help with this, but for now I think I'm going to get through Victory Road and challenge the League so I can get the last of the TMs. I want to get the TM charts updated everywhere, too.
Meanwhile, my findings on Route 111 are added to that article. CycloneGU (talk) 03:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't mean to interrupt, but I think personally, with regards to Gabby & Ty, due to the nature of their changing locations after every battle (presuming an interview was done), the levels aren't set besides the first encounter. So what I would propose is a link to the Gabby & Ty article, which will cover in detail what possible battles the player may encounter. Of course, since it's Badge-dependent (this is also the case for RSE), we should definitely make note of that (though, it'd be much more complicated as a result). ht14 03:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
First, see my other edits. This also happened with the Trainers in the northern half, being at Lv.43 and 44 respectively.
Second, I agree, getting rematch data would be difficult for their roving locations; Lavaridge Town is encountered after they go away from Route 111, and they pop up at Route 118 and then Route 120, only accessible after you are already have five badges. Therefore, there is no rematch data for after Flannery's Gym in Lavaridge. However, after finishing Norman's Gym, one can traverse 118, 119, and 120 by skipping through Fortree; after giving the third interview, they reappear on Route 111 and can be rematched at any time. I presume that is where the Lv.29 data comes from. It would take hacking the game and getting to Fortree City ahead of Petalburg Gym (thus unlocking the ability to Fly there) to clear up the 118/120 appearances and force a possible rematch at Route 111; since hacking would be involved to create this potential rematch, even if it exists, we can say that they cannot be rematched until after obtaining five badges. THAT EXCEPTION ASIDE, you can visit them and interview at all three locations and get rematch data, but my initial guess - something I'll confirm at 118 later - is that the rematch data will be exactly the same at all three locations. You could even suggest that the 118 encounter is the first "rematch", though that one is set as a 118 encounter, not based on badges. Also, since we can Fly to Routes now, finding out what they use in rematches every time they appear isn't a hassle at all. CycloneGU (talk) 03:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I can't find a good source for the money obtained after the third encounter, the initial Route 120 one. I think that amount (2,320) is wrong. If it's right, then the 118 amount is wrong. I do know the 120 team is stronger and is the first rematch on all Routes if found on them. CycloneGU (talk) 04:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
When I battled Gabby and Ty on Route 120 during my playthrough, I did so with 5 Badges. They had the same team as they do on Route 118. Your theory that the initial teams have set levels is incorrect. --SnorlaxMonster 05:06, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Really? I wonder what happens if you don't battle them initially on Route 111. I will definitely run some testing on this, as it would cause some interesting edits to the Gabby and Ty page based on those findings. Guess I have to get AS tomorrow after all since I unexpectedly received a ticket to a hockey game taking place tomorrow, and will therefore be out anyway. My test will be not speaking to them until I have four badges, and I will see what the team is; if it's not a Lv.20 team, then the entire "first battle", etc. system is completely out the window and we can list the teams by the badges. I know for other Trainers that the initial team is always the one they run up to you with and is listed as the original matchup. CycloneGU (talk) 05:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


Just to join in I do agree with how the rematch system is as when I was carefully examining the data. Anyway as long as anyone doesn't pass the next main point then it should be easy to collect data on money, levels and the team of the Pokémon. Also one thing I noticed is even if a new badge is obtained, not all teams will be upgraded. One idea I thought of a while ago is after the rematches start following the acquisition of the first badge (which I carefully monitored to confirm it) then checking after each badge should confirm which trainers have upgraded teams. The highest point in the game for the rematches is after the Elite Four has been beaten which is when the final upgrade occurs. -Tyler53841 (talk) 05:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree. When I pick up Alpha Sapphire (might be tomorrow!), I'll start playing it and have Pokémon ready to move in for each max level point starting from about the second or third Gym. That will let me quickly ace the game without worrying about collecting everything and make running around the Routes quick and easy. Definitely going to jump on helping with this. Kinda silly that I might get that game done before I finish Omega Ruby, though I'll just take data up to the 7th Gym and then finish in Omega Ruby. CycloneGU (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

DexNav Level Functions, Round 2

Can now confirm two without a doubt:

Level 0: "Can encounter the Pokémon at levels higher than it could be if not encountered as a hidden Pokémon" Already located there, battling a Lv.13 Tympole right now myself.

Level 3: "Can encounter the Pokémon with an Egg move as its first move" Not a single Egg Move was seen at Lv.2. I have seen them before at Lv.3. (CORRECTION BELOW)

I still question the Level 1 entry, "Can encounter the Pokémon with maximum IVs forced" because there is no way to know IVs without going to a checker, and IVs can be 31 at random, so it's impossible to tell this. CycloneGU (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I just want to jump in here and say that I think the hidden Pokemon for which I originally moved two of the entries to level 0 is looking like it might have actually been a special case. I think it was basically like the tutorial Poochyena on Route 101, and its stats were actually unrelated to my search level or anything. I don't know at the moment if this happens anywhere else, but I'll absolutely be on the lookout. However widespread it might be, this should probably be mentioned on DexNav and/or routes eventually. I'm suspecting it might have an effect on spontaneous hidden encounters, too. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:29, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I think the encounter on Route 102 was forced due to storyline to have Thunder Fang. I watched a streamer and I end up with the same Lv.5 result. I almost want to say that some Lv.5 catches on Route 2 were also intended to be found that way as the first encounter; I can go look those up if you wish.
However, I'm going to further correct myself. I wish there was a good way to know this information. I just encountered at Lv.2 a Lillipup with Ice Fang. So I guess at Lv.2 it's a case of extreme luck. CycloneGU (talk) 07:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
These discussions may be more useful on the DexNav talk page.
Yes, the Poochyena has a special move forced because it's a special encounter (I've heard people say they got other fang moves than Thunder Fang though, with speculation that it's related to your starter). Anyway, I've found a Pinsir with the level bonus at Search Level 0, so I don't trust this information from the Japanese guidebook. --SnorlaxMonster 08:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Your Pinsir and my Tympole at Lv.13 on Search Level 0 (Route 2, normally found at Lv.3 after unlocked) jointly confirm that the level bonus can be found on a first encounter. As for Poochyena, Thunder Fang is the move I got it with; if it's based on starter, I'll note that I chose Treecko. Yay, another thing to test when I get Alpha Sapphire tomorrow. I'll go to bed on that. CycloneGU (talk) 08:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Also, I'm looking at a Search Level 2 Frillish with a special move right now. --SnorlaxMonster 08:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Coincidentally, I've started with Mudkip and Torchic and gotten (respectively) Fire Fang and Ice Fang on the tutorial Poochyena. There's still a possibility it's just randomly set when you start, though, so we should test a couple reset games (which will happen, for me, soon enough). I'm not sure what the best notation is in the encounter table, though (especially if there are similar cases, which should be uniform, at other places). Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
I might look up a bunch of Let's Play videos, too. It could be set by starter. I know one specific case has been Treecko, like myself, and we both got Thunder Fang. Also, as noted, I can test on Alpha Sapphire; likely today, in fact. You just have to beat your rival, return home, get your Dex, then you get the tutorial on Route 101, correct? Half an hour, maybe even 15 minutes, per reset. Three Mudkip picks and three Torchic picks should be enough of a guideline. CycloneGU (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, looks like you can fail to encounter it, and the Pokémon never appears again. Wish he checked the DexNav. Sure, you can chain and get it by luck, but...
Meanwhile, here's another Treecko user getting a Thunder Fang Poochyena. I saw a second before coming upon this Fire Fang user for a Mudkip starter. So, if starter logic makes sense, a Torchic starter will wind up with Ice Fang (or whatever the third is, there's also Poison Fang). And those will happen every single time those starters are chosen. CycloneGU (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

New sprites.

So since some of the old items (like Rods, MooMoo Milk, Flute or the Orbs) got new sprites in G6... How do we exactly format the names? Do we leave as it is (slapping "VI" in appropiate place) The most notable are the Orbs, since they now have three sprites, which is not supported by the template (evolutionary items might also have 3 sprites because of Mystery Dungeon; also the "VI" is awkward for Orbs who have three sprites). Eridanus (talk) 13:54, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Typically, you would rename the old sprites to be "Bag MooMoo Milk III Sprite.png" (or whatever generation the sprite was introduced in) and give the new sprites the filename "Bag MooMoo Milk Sprite.png", etc. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Userspace Policy Exemption?

Just curious if the working page I just created by its nature qualifies for a policy exemption. I will do some editing in Notepad before copying it in, but I might have to exceed three edits on that page alone in the course of a day while confirming all of the data that will eventually makes its way to pages. I also foresee my editing to that page to be mostly over (except for post-Hall of Fame or post-Delta Episode checks) within a week or two. CycloneGU (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Per the userspace policy, only the Editorial Board can grant userspace policy exemptions. Ask one of them. We're usually lax on enforcing the userspace policy on mainspace-draft pages anyway, even without a formal exemption. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

DexNav completion mark, land-based encounters

You said that "land-based encounters" is not adequate because fishing is land-based, and because Rock Smash and special encounters are ignored by DexNav. However, I think this is faulty. On the one hand, just because you're standing on land, I don't think anyone reasonable would really consider fishing a "land-based encounter"; and even if they might, its presence as a separate item afterwards should easily clue people in that it's not meant to be included. As for the encounters DexNav ignores: on the one hand, if they're ignored, there's no reason they should even be reasonably thought to be included, and on the other hand, it should be noted somewhere that they are ignored (which I have done).

I think "land-based encounters" is better because it condenses a long list into just two items, and the text introducing it says there are "three different types of encounters", and ideally that should mean no "and" or "or" within an item (or else as few as possible). And: simple is just better. Can you agree that land-based is sufficient, or do you insist that the exact methods be listed? Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I've changed it in a way I believe should be an acceptable compromise. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Requesting assistance in editing protected templates and such

I was making a few edits to fix the userpages of other users to remove 'broken links that appear on the wanted pages' per policy. However, I believe that in a few cases, some of the used templates are causing the issue. My request if you would edit a few templates to help remove the userpages from the Wanted Categories. Specifically, 'Template:Pokémon/6' and similar templates have an issue in how they handle types. If the 'type' parameter is blank, then the 'unknown color dark' template is substituted properly. However, if there is a 'type1' or 'type2' parameter called that is blank, then the template will attempt to substitute a template called 'color dark' instead. The 'move1' and other move parameters appear to not be affected by this. Seperately, there are five calls for 'Template:!' which has been deleted due to being "No longer needed as of 1.24.0," as stated on the delete log. These cases involve calling 'Template:!' as a part of 'Template:Template' on the talkpage to render the text similar to the following: {{!}}. Unlike in my example, I cannot add 'Template:Red link' to remove it from the Wanted Categories as it interfers with 'Template:Template' and I was wondering if you would be able to come up with a solution. Thank you for your time, --Super goku (talk) 10:24, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

IMO, it's not worthwhile setting up {{Pokémon/6}} and similar templates to handle unofficial types for userpages; I think they should just be removed.

"I have fixed all links to Template:!. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Did Something Just Change?

I'm in the middle of updating TM lists and suddenly both the title bar (for talk pages) and edit summary boxes seem to be halved. Is this an error? It seems more convenient to have both in full screen width. CycloneGU (talk) 22:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

And as I continue editing, it seems like it's been restored. Still kinda weird. LOL CycloneGU (talk) 23:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Dive Label Opinion?

It sounds like my treatment of Dive differs from the Gen. III template, so I think we need to visit the labeling of the move after this quick conversation. Here's the information I have from this conversation and my own research:

  • Per PKMNAdventurer, Dive is not labeled as RSE at all in Gen. III movesets. The reasoning is because HM08 was not available in FR/LG, and I have no information on this consensus from 10 years or so ago (I wasn't here, I was actually a moderator at a non-Pokémon forum at the time).
  • The move page splits the columns, thus providing clarity that it's learned in certain games in Gen. III, though not very well (the first column is supposedly R/S/E). This contradicts the non-labeling on Gen. III movesets by suggesting it needs to be clarified all the way down the table.
  • On the same page, while Gen. VI entries (I put in Kalos and Wailmer/Wailord, who can learn it naturally, for now) are not split, they currently cannot be split. They would otherwise be split the same way with the right column being ORAS and the XY column empty.
  • My own template includes the label. All applicable Gen. III learners now have the label on the move as I've edited pretty much every TM list from 252-386 (and some relations to that group, such as Marill and Azumarill).
  • If we're going to argue that HM07 needs no label, we might as well remove it from HM06 as well since HM06 didn't exist in X/Y, even though it's the same move as the former TM94.

My reasoning for the label in both Gen. III cases and the current ones: readers who don't know might assume you can get the Dive HM in X/Y (or FR/LG on those pages). Though the move page splits it, having no label actually contradicts the move page.

What are your thoughts on this? I would have no problem going back and labeling RSE on the Gen. III tables, but I don't want to do that without fielding staff opinion on the matter and possibly causing trouble without doing so. For now, I'm going to continue using the label on pages I work on (and that might be sporadic, I'm on a loaner ATM since mine has to be repaired again, not done right the first time), and it could always be removed by bot later, which can include my template. I'm doing the various tables for starter pages ATM in Notepad, then editing in one edit all at once by copying the tables in one at a time, but I tend to prep the TM and Tutor tables and edit the movelist during the single edit. CycloneGU (talk) 03:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Still wondering about this. CycloneGU (talk) 15:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Bring this up on the Bulbawiki forum. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Why is this showing up?

At the top where the tabs are for edit, view history and other things, a new tab has appeared which says more, and under it is a move option. why is this suddenly showing up for me? is there a glitch or something, I though only staff had this option available.Yamitora1 (talk) 09:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

All autoconfirmed users have access to the move function, although it's possible for admins to moveprotect pages, like the Main Page is; I assume when a page is moveprotected on Bulbapedia the move tab doesn't show up for non-staff autoconfirmed users, although I've had staff powers for so long I forget. However, just because you have the technical capability to move a page doesn't mean you should without discussing it first. Also I assume you're using Vector based on your description of the layout (which I don't—I use Monobook); it's possible that there was a layout change for Vector in the last MediaWiki update. Also, the "More" dropdown (which only appears in Vector) also includes the "Delete" and "Change protection" options for me, and I have used wikis that have other options there too due to extensions. --SnorlaxMonster 09:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages format

For some while, I've felt that Bulbapedia's dominant format for disambiguation pages is wrongheaded. (For most, that is; some, like 046, do it "right".) I talked with Funktastic~! about it when I originally tried to change a few pages, and after that I tried leaving a question on the Editor's Hub with less than breathtaking results. (My basic argument: the disambiguated links should be at the beginning—that's where people will look first, and that's much easier than trying to find the right link a variable distance from the start of the line. And, FWIW, Wikipedia's manual of style for disambigs specifies the same. But see either of the preceding links for a bit more.)

Based in part on the minimal support I got on the Editor's Hub, I've been altering disambig pages (only a few in total) as I have reason to edit or create them. But, a short while ago, you just reversed that format on Mirage Forest. Perhaps you would care to provide me with another opinion on Bulbapedia's format? Perhaps you would even care to put a bit of a bug in staff's ear about this, so that it might actually be discussed rather than languish with barely a single comment. IMO, it doesn't matter how much work might be involved; if it is wrong (and I adamantly believe it is), it should be fixed—or at least officially declared to deserve fixing, so that such work might be known to need doing and may, at the least, be done at convenience, rather than staying wrong forever (and ever). Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:57, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I take your point, although in general I don't have strong feelings about how it should be formatted. However, in the specific case of Mirage Forest, because the text didn't make sense (since it was linking to a section and using that as part of a sentence), I changed it to the other style. --SnorlaxMonster 15:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Japanese guidebook and DexNav/hidden Pokemon

I'm in the middle of gathering data on hidden Pokemon attributes, and when I looked at my results for search level 20, they didn't seem greatly different from search level 10 (unlike 4 vs 5 and 5 vs 10, which have significant jumps in attribute rates). I'm going to try looking at search level 25, but I was wondering if you could maybe check the guidebook and see if it really does say that search levels 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 are when attribute rates go up. If I see a more significant difference at 25 than at 20, then I'll assume that the rates at 20 are really the same as at 10, but it'd also be nice if I weren't actually contradicting the guidebook. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:41, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

There is indeed a big difference between search levels 20 and 25. I don't know whether the guidebook had a typo or was just misread, but I'm pretty sure the attributes don't go up at search level 20 after all. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I checked with bluesun, and the guidebook does actually say 25, not 20. --SnorlaxMonster 14:05, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Prison Bottle

Hi! Thanks for uploading the Prison Bottle Sprite. Have you already seen my article on Hoopa and the Prison Bottle? You know because it flatters me if you see my page. I really respect you as a high person ;) Phiraptor28 (talk) 14:10, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Learnset Comment (Hoopa)

I think, within the tables, it might be best to limit to "Confined" or "Unbound" instead of "Hoopa Confined" or "Hoopa Unbound". Otherwise, you have "Hoopa" appearing twice in the line. It seems redundant.

Also, are we adding its formes to the tutoring tables as well? CycloneGU (talk) 16:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

That was quick. Thanks, I'll look at that in a bit. CycloneGU (talk) 16:42, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
One more. Since TM stabs will differ by forme, can you add Hoopa's formes there as well? Thanks! CycloneGU (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I already have. Is it not working properly? --SnorlaxMonster 17:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I guess you did that as I was thinking about it in the shower. LOL I came back and sent it, and just now refreshed the list and see it. I'll give it a try to make sure on a Dark or Ghost move. CycloneGU (talk) 17:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


So apparently, Hoopa is the first Form Changer who doesn't get STAB on TM in default form (Rotom does and Shaymin doesn't learn any Flying-type TMs; the other Pokémon that can willingly change their Form that also changes their typing can do so only in-battle if I recall correctly). I've realized that I am not sure what's the official thing on this situation (since Hoopa's TM compatbility apparently doesn't change for Unbound Forme, even though it can learn Dark Pulse via level), since by default it shows separate entries only for Pokémon with different learnsets, like Giratina or Shaymin. Eridanus (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll chime in that I treated them as different because of the different types, and where STAB differs, both should show; I feel it would be wrong to show only the default (confined) form with no STAB, and inaccurate to show that same form with STAB. Outside of those three cases, I have no opinion, but I do note that whatever treatment is applied to Hoopa should be to Shaymin as well. Will respect your call on this. CycloneGU (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I had the same thought as CycloneGU. Because they have different types and both appear outside of battle, both should be listed. --SnorlaxMonster 01:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
So keep both listed for all entries, or just for the different ones and merge the others? Also, should we split up the two Shaymin formes now (for consistency, similar to Hoopa) since Sky Attack is learned by Shaymin in Sky Forme and gets STAB in Sky Forme?
I'm going to finish up Contest data for the Sinnoh legendaries this evening, then I'll be back to working on Hoopa once I switch back to my laptop (I got it back this evening!). CycloneGU (talk) 01:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest the Shaymin Formes should be split up. Separate entries for all cases IMO. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

ORAS-Only TM Moves

Found a good example of this, but need help in implementing it in the table. It's been reported (and I've confirmed) that Rhyhorn can learn Smack Down in ORAS, but cannot learn it in X/Y. We need to note the difference on the move page and I don't see a way to do it yet in the template source code. CycloneGU (talk) 20:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

This will do for now. The template is currently being redone. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

You forgot to mention in the article...

...that the release date for the New 3DS XL was leaked yesterday. I couldn't find the word "leaked" anywhere in the article. ~~LDEJRuff~~ 20:03, 14 January, 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't leaked. It was in the Nintendo Direct as February 13.
Which means I need to go find my Kirby Amiibo stat. Surprised Pikachu Amiibo support isn't announced as added yet (or any for other Pokémon). Imagine an Amiibo team fighting for you. Maybe someday. CycloneGU (talk) 01:11, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I think that Verdana is referring to the Gamefreak/Amazon leaks. --Super goku (talk) 02:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I also thought today was the 15th and the ND was out yesterday. I wonder why I thought that. Never saw the leaks. CycloneGU (talk) 02:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


If I could edit the template, this would have been done two days ago...but I can't, so I have to ask you now since no one seems to be doing it. Maybe it's not urgent, but it's just a quick fix.

After my edit at Hyperspace Fury clearly noting that certain infobox code does not show with a move number over 621 (because it's set to not display with numbers over 621), we made requests at Template talk:MoveInfobox to change 621 to 622 in the source. I get why it's done; it regulates which contest tabs are permitted to appear on the page. That is ALL that needs to be done so that I can put 621 on the move page properly. Can you please make this change in the template? CycloneGU (talk) 14:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

ORAS route images and infobox

A lot of the route images you've uploaded/added have German labels. This shouldn't be ideal. From a quick look, it seems the English ORAS guide is already out; has someone looked at it and determined that it does not have satisfactory images of the areas?

Also, on some of the routes, you seem to have added the original Gen III images to the infobox as "imageIII", but as it is right now, {{Route infobox}} does not display those images. I'm not sure what it would require to make it work without screwing up anything else, but if you want those Gen III images to display, someone should update the template. Tiddlywinks (talk) 09:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the labels are in German, and I guess English images would be better. I'm getting them from our German partners, PokéWiki. I don't know how they got such good quality images (I've tried scanning guidebooks before, and I certainly wouldn't get that quality). However, the images themselves are more useful than the text, so I'm just uploading them.
As for imageIII, I know it doesn't work, but I'm just putting it there so that if it gets implemented in the future, they will show up immediately. --SnorlaxMonster 09:48, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Steven's Metagross's gender

Was Steven's Metagross ever confirmed as genderless? I left a message on the talk page asking if that was true because I thought we weren't supposed to label Pokémon as genderless unless stated that way, but it has been over a month since the message was left unanswered. Also, users kept adding in that Metagross was genderless without any evidence on how it had no gender. PattyMan 00:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Did a quick grab from a random Let's Play. Here's a Manectric against Steven's Metagross. It's clearly labelled as genderless. CycloneGU (talk) 00:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Those are the games. What about the anime and manga which would fully confirm it? PattyMan 01:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Not sure, but I presume the anime would honour the fact that it's a genderless Pokémon. The only way to find a gender is if someone uses Attract, Charm, etc. in the anime and it works, and that would go against Pokémon logic. CycloneGU (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I haven't seen anyone use a gender-based move on Metagross so far in the anime and manga, but if someone with Japanese knowledge heard the mention of Metagross's gender, than they could say if it was genderless or not. You do have a good point though. PattyMan 02:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, we don't list "genderless" for anime/manga unless we have specific evidence. This should do. --SnorlaxMonster 12:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. PattyMan 23:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Pseudo Legendary Base-Stat Comparison

The table is in my sandbox and ready to be moved to the page when you have time. :) Drake Clawfang (talk) 01:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I've added it to the page for you. --SnorlaxMonster 16:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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