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Hey! I have a strong reason to believe Sun2020 (talkcontribs) is yet another sockpuppet of Kittystyler (talkcontribs). Sun2020's writing style for this edit to Ash Ketchum is extremely reminiscent of Kittystyler's old writing style for this edit to the same article. Do you think you can look into it? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:20, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Why does Kittystyler refuse to give up? I find these repeated comebacks very tiresome. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Because they're a troll, especially considering they refused to even acknowledge the existence of their original talk page when they were still active here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
They were indeed Kittystyler and have been dealt with.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Archive 10

I removed the link to an image that doesn't exist on the Archives in the topic I wrote. Special:Diff/3090821 --キーコン 10:08, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Template approval

If you have the time, please let me know if User:Daniel Carrero/Puzzle needs anything to be approved (any change in contents, layout, etc.). If/when possible, I'd like it to be moved back to the template namespace. I also asked about aproving it on Discord, though I'm still waiting to see if anyone will reply there.

I created that template and used it in these pages:

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I think asking staff who has more knowledge on the side games would give a better opinion.--ForceFire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


Hi Force Fire, thanks for adding Dragapult to the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon article (which I requested on Discord since I don't have edit access). The box for Dragapult is bigger than the other boxes in the first section, though. Qzekrom (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm aware that the Dragapult image is large, I did try to resize it to make it smaller (as to make the template even with the others) but felt that it made the image look too small and unidentifiable, so I just left it as is.--ForceFire 05:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Is there a way make it smaller for the section that shows all Pseudo-legendary Pokémon together? It jsut getting clutter up and hard to see them all.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 05:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
That's the section I was talking about. Felt that making the Dragapult image smaller made the image unidentifiable.--ForceFire 06:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Two things

  1. Why did you revert me at those pages about types?
  2. I'm still waiting for approval of these pages:

Please respond quickly. --TheICTLiker4 08:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

  1. Mass updates involving multiple article must be approved by a staff member. You can't just do as you please.
  2. None of those are up to standards, especially the latter.--ForceFire 09:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  1. Okay. I will follow this rule, even while moving pages.
  2. Both pages are marked for mainspacing, and they're awaiting approval. “[...] especially the latter” — you are wrong, as some content is hidden by <includeonly> because if not, the page would be in categories reserved for move pages, and SnorlaxMonster has fixed that. --TheICTLiker4 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Granted I didn't really look at the coding and just saw the template as is and thought that it looked incomplete and far too different to that actual "NewX" templates that we have.--ForceFire 01:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
But what about the first page I listed in this subject (User:TheICTLiker4/E O)? --TheICTLiker4 20:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

What's the point?

Why did you revert my episode title changes? SM003 is CLEARLY a pun, that's not difficult to see at all. We've added pun titles before. So why not now? And the others were put in the correct order of the Japanese title (not the translations of them) and added with words that needed to be added, like "region", when region is clearly in the title and has been included in other episode titles that had the Japanese characters for the word "region" in them before? Why stop now? We don't NEED to rely off translations from people over at Serebii. Other people CAN add titles as well. If there's a problem with them, at the very least explain why, I'm so annoyed with you being angry at me. Playerking95 (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

And I've done nothing wrong to deserve this from just a single admin. Playerking95 (talk) 09:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
I rolled back your edit on the episode list article based off your SM003 edit. The other changes, while questionable, were fine. As for SM003, as we discussed before, not everything is a pun. "Fushigi da ne" can be an actual phrase. Just because "fushigi" is in the title, doesn't automatically make it a pun.--ForceFire 10:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Template edit request

Given the fact that Go is on a pretty constant catching spree, should the category for episodes in which a main character obtains a new Pokémon be included in the new episode template? Kinda like how the category for Mythical Pokémon appearances was included in it while Ash had Meltan/Melmetal in his active team? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought up the suggestion with the other staff members.--ForceFire 16:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Having the category there before the episode airs is a bit assumptious, especially if said episode isn't an episode where Go catches anything. So the category is not going in the template.--ForceFire 06:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Noise Reduction on Gen 8 Pokemon images

I've done some easy experimenting with noise reduction on the grainy Pokemon images in photoshop, with much improved quality. Was wondering if there was any reason this hasn't been done already. Lanthanum (talk) 05:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Pichu Posse members

Dear ForceFire,

I've been in the process of reviewing the appearances of the Pichu Brothers and their associates in the anime. However I noticed there were some Pokémon listed on the Pichu Brothers page as members of the Posse who wouldn't fit the description of being a "friend" and are simply recurring wild Pokémon such as Snorlax, Houndour and the Squirtle Squad. Feraligatr and Murkrow other recurring wild Pokémon, that are yet to have a mention anywhere, however their appearances are brief like the others. Should they have separate sections on the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page or should all the recurring Big Town Pokémon be listed on one page with the subsections "Pichu Brothers", "Pichu Posse" and "Other Big Town Pokémon"? Regards, PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:41, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo my Wedgehurst edit?

You didn't even leave a reason why.] ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

It's not notable. The other trainers "not noticing the Slowpoke" isn't notable either. The nurse knowing it isn't suppose to be some in-universe thing. Just like the bulletin boards in Black and White announcing the Pokemon outbreaks, it's not meant to be an in-universe thing where everyone in that universe knows about the outbreak (I don't recall other NPC characters commenting on the B/W outbreaks).--ForceFire 12:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Origins Corrections

Hello! I am new to bulbapedia and I saw you reverted some of my changes to the verb conjugation implying uncertainty in two different articles. You mentioned that I would be allowed to do this in the future in the case that I have an official source. What constitutes an official source in this case? I ask because I would be willing to write to someone (maybe a developer?) in order to get confirmation but I do not wish to do this if it is unlikely written confirmation would not count as an official source. Are interviews with developers acceptable? Ideally, if you could link me to some sort of list that includes examples of acceptable sources that would be very helpful for me. Thank you for your time. DeterministicSpaceRichard (talk)

An interview with the original Japanese (or Western, in James Turner's case) designer is the absolute source. An example would be the interview with Pikachu's designer where she revealed its origin. We don't have a list because interviews with the designers regarding Pokemon origins are scarce.--ForceFire 04:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

why did you revert my edit?

I'm completely new to editing this wiki and was wondering why you undid my first edit? You didn't leave a reason in the reversion's edit summary and I didn't think my edit was "bad". Is there some policy about the trivia/name origin section I don't know about? - unsigned comment from Twisted Code (talkcontribs)

I had already removed that previously, as I felt that it was not really necessary to point out.--ForceFire 05:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
By that standard, what makes anything else on this wiki "necessary", especially stuff in the trivia section? I don't really understand the line you're drawing, as it seems like it could go either way. Then again, I'm new here so what do I know?¯\_(ツ)_/¯--Twisted Code (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
If you don't mind me inserting myself, I think that that's a worthy trivia point. I didn't realize it until reading it here. It's the exact kind of thing I'd expect to see in a trivia section. --celadonk (talk) 19:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Trivia point, sure. Just don't think it's worth pointing out in the name origin section as the line before already conveys what is being said well enough without trying to be witty.--ForceFire 07:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
maybe we could move the "based on a unicorn" trivia point altogether then? Seems that point being in *specifically* the name origin subsection is the issue. I'd like to point out the pun one way or another, as I thought it was a clever quip from the developers.--Twisted Code (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Uh... no. That line is meant to be in the origins sections as it's detailing what Galarian Ponyta might be based off. The extra bit about "unique horn" isn't necessary.--ForceFire 06:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
... And "unique horn" supports that point that it "might be" based on a unicorn. I don't see what the big deal is here, or why one piece of trivia is more "necessary" than any other piece? Is there some sort of rule against acknowledging puns (even to support another point) or something? --Twisted Code (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
After a bit of thought and reading one of Wikipedia's (a.k.a. the mother of all wikis or "MOAW") policies concerning impasses like this, I've decided I'm willing to just leave it go. Mostly because I know you're an admin and I don't feel like challenging the "staff won't bite" claim in the template:welcome message, but also because this impasse is such an enigma to me that it doesn't feel worthwhile trying to understand it — especially in light of the policy I mentioned (which presumably also applies to any wiki created in the same spirit of collaboration). That said, please register and take into account my STRONG objection to your decision in this matter, and on that note, have a nice day :-)--Twisted Code (talk) 22:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for the late response. It saying that Galarian Ponyta might be based of a Unicorn is suffice enough, without the need to be witty or smart. Like I said, if anything, the pun goes in the main trivia section, not the name origin section. As for the Wikipedia policy, we are not Wikipedia. We do not share the same rules or guidelines (well, we might share some, but not all, and definitely not that one).--ForceFire 04:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
I accept that explanation, though I'm struggling slightly to reconcile it with my original thinking (though in any case, my initial question is settled). As for the thing about Wikipedia: yes I realize this is not Wikipedia, nor is it a project belonging to Wikimedia; what I meant by what I said was that, as both wikis are, by nature, collaborative projects and that policy is conducive to cooperation, I felt it could be applicable here, not that it would actually be enforced because, as you said, this isn't Wikipedia. Sorry about that, I should've been more clear.--Twisted Code (talk) 19:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Sobble's Origin for Trivia Section

We know Sobble is based on a chameleon and it says that's it's Water-typing is based on the basilisk lizard, but here's another thing you could add which makes a lot of sense (like how it also connects to water). Below are the reasons/facts and links.

Because of its color scheme and type, Sobble could be based on the Veiled chameleon. Even though it's not aquatic, it has a special adaption to collect water in its habitat where there is little water. This species of chameleon has a casque (the helmet-like protrusion on top of its head) that collects water. At night, droplets of moisture roll down the casque and into the chameleon's mouth.

The way the droplets flow down the Veiled chameleon's face could give the illusion that it's crying which could explain the teardrop markings on Sobble's face. The adult males of this species have defined bands of blue and yellow. Those two colors are part of Sobble's color scheme.

Here are the links for more information: (As you scroll down, start reading where is says "A water-catching casque.")

Here is a picture of the adult male Veiled chameleon: Macpika (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Its behavior and appearance is similar enough, you can add it if you want to, just remember to use "may be based off" or "appears to be based off" rather than "is based off", since it's still speculation.--ForceFire 05:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding Tabs

ForceFire, How do I add tabs to pages? I want to add a trivia tab to a move page, G-Max Wind Rage. How do I do that? PeakA (talk) 18:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

How is that correct?

[1] Isn't it pronounced "home-ige"? Thus it should be "a" instead of "an". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

You need to google how to pronounce it. It comes in two English-speaking flavors and isn't worth making a change for. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm being a pest, but the first result I found is literally "hom·age". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
And underneath that is how to pronounce it. "/ˈ(h)ämij/" The h is in parentheses for a reason. If you straight up google 'herb' like you did with homage, you'll get the same thing, even tho we don't say the 'h' at all. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:28, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
I think you picked a poor example, because everyone I hear that says "herb" uses the "h". However, it's clear I'm not going to make any progress talking about this, so you'll probably be happy to know that I give up. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 17:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


Do you believe that Ōkido (オーキド) means anything in Japanese? Wc12271991 (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Pseudo-legendary Pokémon

Now that Ash has captured a Dragonite, can you unlock the Pseudo-legendary Pokémon page so I can add that information to it, please? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The pseudo legendary page is never getting unprotected. If an edit needs to be made, request it on the talk page of the article or go to an admin.--ForceFire 04:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


We have a vandal on the loose. Could you or some other admin do something about them? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Never mind. They were just dealt with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

New page

Thank you,ForceFire for helping me out in the talk. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


Could the Wyndon Stadium article be split to have a subpage for the Champion tournaments the same way as "Pokémon League (Alola)" was split to have a separate subpage for Title Defense? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I've brought the suggestion up to the others. I personally wouldn't mind it being split, since the page is already large.--ForceFire 05:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Please let me know when a decision is made. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Recurring definition?

I'm confused. Please explain why Meowth was removed from the recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page? I agree that he is a main character, however he is also a wild Pokémon that has been featured in than one episode, meeting the recurring wild Pokémon criteria. Recurring means just that occurring again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:52, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Meowth doesn't appear every now and then, he appears in every episode (bar B/W, but that has already come and gone), which is the direct opposite of being recurring.--ForceFire 16:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Speaking of other things not meeting the criteria … the list of Ash's temporary traveling companions has some questionable additions.
Ritchie was simply encountered and is listed even though his appearances over three episodes was part of the Team Rocket-Lugia arc, plus Oliver and Luka who appeared during the same period are not.
Zoey, while she appeared across multiple episodes in Snowpoint City, she simply met up with the group rather than traveled with them.
Dia is another questionable addition, and while he appeared in two episodes, it was only while Ash was in the alternate dimension. Your thoughts? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 23:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Can Mewtwo of the original series be added? It appeared in two main episodes and multiple specials. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Zeraora matches the definition of a recurring wild Pokémon: a wild Pokémon that appears in more than one episode and has some enough notable sort of involvement in the plot. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is a criteria for Ash's temporary travelling companions, but I think the idea should be if they're with Ash for more than three episodes and travel from place to place, they should be added. Which I guess would discount Dia. Get second opinions.
I'm not sure if major movie characters count? I know there's Slowking there, but it doesn't play a major role in its movie. As for Zeraora, I think it comes down to how many episode appearances counts as "recurring". I don't think Zeroara as much as most of the Pokemon on the recurring article.--ForceFire 10:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I've sought a second opinion. Thanks for the replies on today's queries. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


I saw the change made to BW058. However I based those additions on the fact that Gym Leader's Pokémon evolving like Roark's Cranidos has been listed in the past, plus Chili is a recurring character and also the brother of Cilan. - unsigned comment from PardescanSlowbro (talkcontribs)

Roark's Cranidos evolving is notable as it effects Ash's battle with him. The additions you made to BW058 weren't that major and didn't need to be elaborated on.--ForceFire 09:54, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Upload problem

I belong to the autoconfirmed members group and recently created my userpage. I can't upload any images and it denied permission saying I must be autoconfirmed. Please look into this issue and I also have have a lot of images from the new series, that I want to upload!! Dhiwakar (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Image uploading is done over at the Archives, and you have to be autconfirmed over there. Autoconfirmation on the archives is separate than on Bulbapedia. So you have to make some edits on the Archives to become autoconfirmed.--ForceFire 12:40, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ForceFire for your advice --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:37, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I have a doubt,is there any colour difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the pokémon anime? Can you please say something about it! --Dhiwakar (talk) 15:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

About Dinamax/Gigantamax in the anime

When a Poké evolves, here it usually says "x took y episodes to evolve" or something. How will you do with Pokémon that reach that level?For example, I'm doing a Gyarados'page for Lance. I put something like Lance's Gyarados took xxx episodes to dinamax (is that the name we should put?)? Where is this kind of information going to be? In the box with the animal's information?Are there any rules or tutorials already done explaining this? I really appreciate it if you can help me.--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 13:54, 02 February 2020 (UTC)

That's probably not going to be noted in the infobox, we don't note "how long" it took for a Pokemon to Mega Evolve. If anything, that goes into the main history section of the article.--ForceFire 15:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you--Hilaru Wazana (talk) 16:08, 02 February 2020 (UTC)


Lance was mentioned as the Indigo league champion in the preview of SS012. But, the trivia of SS012 has a edit that says he lost his championship somewhere in the middle of the anime. Is it right? --Dhiwakar (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Please answer my question quickly Dhiwakar (talk) 14:10, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Trivia has since been removed as it needs to be verified if he states that he's an Elite Four member in the original Japanese version.--ForceFire 14:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that, actually Lance is mentioned as the member of Kanto Elite four by Go in the preview. I checked it and undid the edit in SS012. Hope you wouldn't mind about the undo and thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

I've found Japanese sources describing AG097 that describe Lance as an Elite Four member in his Hoenn appearance as well. He indeed hasn't been referred to as a Champion since the Johto era of the anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Dhiwakar, please don't add back the trivia until the problem has been resolved. Finnish, if someone can find the Japanese episode and confirm it, I think that would be solid evidence.--ForceFire 17:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay ForceFire, I assure you I would not add it in the trivia until it is solved. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I shall ask something. Lance was mentioned as the member of Kanto Elite four in the preview of SS012. Isn't it enough to solve the problem? Dhiwakar (talk) 16:54, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm afraid you're missing the point here. We're trying to solve if he was referred to as an Elite Four members Pokémon in AG097, because that affects the piece of trivia you're wanting to add to SM012. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
I get it now,thank you FinnishPokéFan92. Dhiwakar (talk) 05:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Question, out of curiosity

When you customize a signature, does that affect signatures that have been already submitted before said customization? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

No. The new signatures comes into affect after you've changed it.--ForceFire 09:29, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:38, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete, please

I recently moved Porygon's evolution category, following its Evolution item's new formatting. Could you delete the unnecessary redirect that was formed in the process? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 13:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Now I've moved the category for Elite Four members' Pokémon to remove an unnecessary uppercase "M". Could you remove the redirect? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:23, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Done.--ForceFire 05:01, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Colour difference

Is thre any difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the anime. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:40, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Please answer this question, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Not too sure what you mean here. Could be a number of factors.--ForceFire 06:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that, i forgot to mention the word colour inthe above question. It was actually, " Is there any colour difference between Ash's Pikachu in the Japanese and English dub of the anime?". Dhiwakar (talk) 08:37, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of.--ForceFire 12:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Debut uncertainty

For movie 22, should cases like Gary's Pokémon on his page or Mewtwo on Viridian Gym's page have their debut appearances listed to be their main series debuts or M22? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Whichever one aired first in Japan. M01 (I believe aired first before EP063). Not M22.--ForceFire 06:45, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

User page

I want to move the usertag box to the right corner of my page. But I don't know how to do it. Can you please help with this!I won't edit it if you say it today itself,because I have already done three edits in my userpage!! Dhiwakar (talk) 09:53, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

The code containing the tags should go above everything.--ForceFire 12:31, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I can't understand completely, can you show me a pic of it, please. Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:20, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

The table containing all your usertags should be placed above the first section. I.e. just swap the placement of your sections around.--ForceFire 14:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Can you see if have done it correctly, unfortunately I have wasted my edits and unable to delete the excess points and thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 05:30, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

It's fine.--ForceFire 07:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 09:42, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


Isn't Pikachu Dynamaxing without going into it's pokéball, important? If it is too specific,it is notable right? I also have an intuition, that it has something to do with Eternatus. Moreover, it is supposed to go into the trivia. Thank you, ForceFire Dhiwakar (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

No, it isn't notable. It doesn't matter whether Pikachu returned to his Poke Ball or not.--ForceFire 07:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


Pokémon HOME reveals that Shiny Magearna doesn't have any paint on it, like the Magearna from the Sun & Moon series. Should it be considered a Shiny Magearna in the light of this new information? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I would think so, if it's the most recent design of the Shiny form.--ForceFire 04:40, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
It is. Here is an image I found of the Shiny Magearna Sprite from HOME, while here in an image of the S&M series Magearna. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:25, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Based on those images, do I have your permission to classify Magearna as a Shiny in the anime? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I'd say it's fine to classify it as a Shiny form of Magearna.--ForceFire 16:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Ash's Dynamax Band

Ash doesn't seem to wear the Dynamax band, continuously like the Z-Ring in the new series. Is it to be noted in the major events of SS014. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

No. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Ash not wearing his Z-Ring anymore wasn't a major event. And it's likely he'll just wear it when he's in Galar and can actually use it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't asking about the Z-Ring. I just wanted to ask about the Dynamax Band, whether not wearing it continuously must be noted, if not in major events atleast in trivia! Hope you understand. Dhiwakar (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I used Z-Ring as a comparison. And him not continuously wearing it is definitely not major event worthy. Not sure about trivia worthiness either, but we'll see. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, FinnishPokéFan Dhiwakar (talk) 13:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that edit, ForceFire. I added it because FinnishPokéFan92 was not sure about trivia worthiness,also I didn't do it on purpose. Dhiwakar (talk) 14:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help me

I am getting a blank of space in my userpage. How can remove it? If you want a clear picture of my query,see my userpage. Thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

It's because the Ash's Pokemon template is stretching the page due to it's size.--ForceFire 01:35, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
It was there before adding the template. How to clear it? I see there is no space in your page,eve though you usertags. Thank you,ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
There's always going to be whitespace on your userpage because their are things stretching the page, the template or the usertags prior to you adding the template. If you want to get rid of the whitespace, you can use the "expandable" tags to hide the templates or usertages so there's less whitespace.--ForceFire 15:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Deleting sandbox article

Hey! It's been a while. I created a sandbox article for the Pikachu in a cap article, but it seems someone's already beat me to the punch. Mind deleting it for me, please? Thanks! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:12, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 12:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Minor disagreement

In SS013, Ash loses a battle for the first time in 54 episodes, a rarely and possibly even never before seen long streak for him. I think this should be noted in the episode's trivia section, but GrammarFreak01 disagrees, saying it's not notable. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

You should've made it clear that 54 episodes was the longest period of time Ash has gone without a loss in the anime, because I did not know this. I'll restore the edit with the necessary addendum. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:37, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I did not say that because I wasn't sure. I only figured it was notably long. And I may have just discovered an even longer lossless period for him from the XY series (from XY036 to XY106). --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


RedneckAnimeGeek (talkcontribs) has made excessively many edits on Hop and Leon's pages. I tried to notify them on their talk page to use the preview button and lessen the amount of their edits, but their actions did not change. Could you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

GaOlé Hello, can these images be placed on Archives and consequently placed on the pages of the respective characters?They are from the Ga Olé game with the theme of the new anime series.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Reinhartmax's categories

Reinhartmax (talkcontribs) has just created categories for Trainers with giant, Fossil, and baby Pokémon. I personally can see the notability in the first one and maybe in the second one, but not really in the last one. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't think all three are notable. I've brought it up to the staff, and gave Reinhartmax a message to cease making more categories.--ForceFire 05:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I won't mind if all three of them were removed, so no objections there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Has the staff made a decision yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Not yet. It got put off to the side for other things.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Is this subject still waiting to be solved? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Can those categories be removed? Has a decision been reached yet? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Discussions regarding this has kinda stalled. Though I think it's rather clear that they aren't needed. I'll be deleting them in a bit.--ForceFire 12:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Process for reporting an admin

Hey! Is there a formal process to report an admin for shirking their duties? I've been trying for months to talk with Ataro about an editing style that I strongly disagree with, which led to what I believe to be an unnecessary three-day block on my end. Ataro responded, and this was my response. For months, I haven't received another response from them. I am led to believe Ataro is ignoring me on purpose because they have responded to other talk page messages, but not mine. They have also been active many times since that initial response, so it would've been absolutely difficult for them not to see all the talk page notifications that were sent by my many attempts to contact them.

I find it hard to believe they were unaware of all of that. If there was supposed to be another, more appropriate way to reach them, then my apologies; I didn't know. But nevertheless, I find it absolutely disgusting that this admin would engage in such selective behavior. Trying to contact them even before they initially responded was an extremely tedious debacle, and by this point, I am absolutely done with their conduct. I'd like to see if there's a formal procedure to address this. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 11:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

If you have a concern about a staff member ignoring you, you can bring it up to either the Editor in Chief (Kogoro) or the Deputy Editor in Chief (Pokemaster97).--ForceFire 13:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:48, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


Hello, why is it that you removed my Shadow Lugia base stats from the Shadow Lugia page? Those were the real base stats so they had no reason to be changed. Email me at [email protected] with your reply. - unsigned comment from Gamer PROJonah (talkcontribs)

It was improperly formatted. See how the base stats on other articles are done.--ForceFire 04:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Vandal alert

It looks like Justin Bibarel (talkcontribs) is going to be nothing but a vandal. Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, SnorlaxMonster took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


Is the title of SS017 is "Something happens to Hibanny". I saw the news about this in Twitter. So, I want you confirm the truthness of this fact. Because I can't edit unless I have proof about it,right! Dhiwakar (talk) 09:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi,ForceFire please answer my question! Thank you. Dhiwakar (talk) 04:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Where did you get the title from?--ForceFire 06:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not completely sure about the title. I saw it in #anipoke in twitter. Hence, I asked you if you're aware of it. Dhiwakar (talk) 08:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
A simple Twitter hashtag is not a reliable source. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not trying to prove my fact,I was just confirming it here. Also,it is the official hashtag of the Pokémon anime. The tweets may not be reliable, I accept. Hope you understand my point of view GrammarFreak01. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry about it,since we got the title. Thank you ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 03:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Gary's Journey

Hi, please, I wanted to understand why the change was reversed with Gary's page. Why no other human character has the separation between Kanto / Johto / Hoenn or anything like that anymore. The marking says "Orange Islands", but Gary was never said to have been on the islands. And the page is about Gary's point of view, isn't it? What's the point of keeping that with Gary only?Shouldn't that be standard for everyone?Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Could've sworn we also split the history sections of human characters too, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I've reverted myself.--ForceFire 15:34, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

List of references to Pokémon in popular culture edit

Hello there. May I ask as to why you have deleted my writing on this page? If you would have given me some more time, I would have fixed up my own work, rather than someone else deleting it. Could you please explain as to why you have deleted this specific section? I recognise that some of my information is incorrect, and I would have fixed it up myself. If there is an alternate section where you want me to put it under, I will be more than happy to do this change. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope you recosider your reversion. BlueDecoRoller (talk) 01:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary, passing mentions are not notable. It has to be more than just a namedrop.--ForceFire 06:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
As an alternative, could I add my information here instead? I could create a new section for Books, comics and Manga, and put it in there, along with a stub. What do you think? If you approve, I should have it done by 06:00 03/05/20 (UTC). Hopefully. BlueDecoRoller (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
It's fine there.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
All fixed. Thank you for clarifying as to where I should put it.BlueDecoRoller (talk) 06:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Focus on Ash

Isn't SS013 an episode focusing on Ash. I don't know how to add it in the Category: Episodes focusing on Ash. If it is an episode focusing on Ash,could you add it in the category for me, ForceFire! Dhiwakar (talk) 08:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Not really.--ForceFire 04:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Appearance info for Series-exclusive Recurring Characters:


I wish to clarify whether all appearances for recurring characters in a particular series should be documented. This comes in the wake of GrammarFreak01 restoring deletions made to Abe, Sarah and Harper and Anela's pages of otherwise unimportant or minor appearances, plus Poké Problem scenes which have little to do with the respective episode plots. As such I'd prefer for these changes to be reverted to make for a succinct article. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with making articles such as those succinct. It needs material to fill it up, otherwise it'll be painfully short. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:16, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Only major appearances should be noted, if they didn't do much and was simply a background character, then it's not notable. And the Poke Problem segments are clearly not notable at all. It doesn't matter if it's too short, Reggie has appeared quite a few times and his article isn't that long. Quality over quantity.--ForceFire 12:22, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
So would this have to apply to every recurring character article, including those who only had major roles in just two episodes like Savannah and Sandra? If not, what's exactly the limit? Which recurring character articles have to be succinct and which ones don't have to be? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they contributed to the plot of the episode, then it's notable. And it counts for every recurring character, it doesn't matter of one page is longer than the other. That's simply not a problem.--ForceFire 09:38, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
GrammarFreak01, the examples you gave were deliberate cameos, which are different from background appearances of the examples I explained. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:42, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Allow me to rephrase, then: is the mention of cameos and flashbacks notable for all recurring characters' histories, or not? That's among the material that's being contested in Abe and Sarah and Harper. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they are important cameos or flashbacks.--ForceFire 09:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
How so? Examples? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
If they are important to the plot of the episode, then it's notable. If they didn't do anything at all, then it's not notable..--ForceFire 09:57, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The trivia

The music from the trailer of the new series was used in SS014,when the egg containing the Golurk emerged from the underground of the ruins. Could it be treated as part of trivia of SS014, as we treated the use of Gym battle theme from SwSh. If it is a part of trivia, can you add it in the trivia of SS014 for me,as I don't really know how to frame it properly for the trivia. Dhiwakar (talk) 15:09, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

It's not a notable piece of music, so it's not notable.--ForceFire 15:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

User YayBoy7 vandalizing the site.

I think you should have access to the last changes, the user in question started to vandalize the pages of some users and places and characters with bad words. I tried to modify what I could, but I couldn't prevent other changes and as I don't know if it is possible to report here, it probably must have happened without me seeing it. 01:43 Hikaru Wazana 05 March 2020


I appreciate you protecting SS017's page for the time being. But could I request you'll remove the last edit that was there before the protection took place? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Eh, if it wasn't hidden, then I'd remove it. But since it's hidden, so it's doing no harm. It can be removed/corrected once the protection expires.--ForceFire 12:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Lugia (Pocket monsters)

In SS020,the Lugia from the second episode of the series is going to appear. Can we categorize this Lugia as a recurring character in the anime? Dhiwakar (talk) 15:32, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I also wanted to ask you one more question,i.e How do I join in Project anime? Dhiwakar (talk) 15:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Once the episode airs. "Joining" projects is an out of use thing, everyone is editing under a certain project, regardless of them "joining" it. Though you can still add the "User is a part of Project..." usertags to your userpage if you like.--ForceFire 16:07, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I get the idea about it now. You mean that the edits under the anime pages are part of Project anime. Thanks a lot, ForceFire. Dhiwakar (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Item Sprites

Hey, I've made a suggestion here Template talk:Bag2. What do you think about it?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 22:25, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

User edit-warring on an article

I've got Kirigayaray (talkcontribs) continuously reverting my own reversions of the Pokémon world in relation to the real world article. I've talked with them about going to the talk page to discuss the contested edits, but they still made a reversion. Would you mind intervening, please? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:13, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The entire article is speculation, so it's fine for them to change it within reason. If you feel that their edits are wrong, then go to their talk page or the talk page of the article. Would also help if you had knowledge on what those areas the location is supposedly based on. That way, your reversion might hold water.--ForceFire 09:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Recurring character categories

Hey! Since I noticed there's an entire set of categories for characters of the day, I was wondering if we could create the same for recurring characters in the anime. I feel like they could use some further categorization and distinction. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

The main anime characters category covers those fairly well, in my opinion.--ForceFire 05:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
But it's already so hard to look for some of them, like Savannah. I think we need such categories. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


Why did you delete Category:Pages with ignored display titles, even though I think it is needed? --TheICTLiker4 11:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

No... it's not needed.--ForceFire 05:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I'm putting together a custom template for the characters that will be in the world competition. Some details are still needed, but I would like to know the opinion of the site staff. Is there any chance of being approved? Is it worth it to keep doing this?My inspiration is something that I saw on sports websites. I thought it might be interesting given the importance of the event. Here is an example:

This marks the position that Trainer _____ took in the world ranking:

Pokémon World Championish


Normal Class


Super Class


Hyper Class


Master Class
Ranking position Not Avaliable Top 999 Top 99 Top 8

What do you think?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Initially thought this was for the TCG worlds tournament thing, so there was a bit of confusion on my end. I've asked and the judgement was that it's a bit too early for such a template, when we know very little of it and its competitors. Maybe once that gets revealed it could be used.--ForceFire 12:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Let's Go plot description

I personally think the plot description Kahchun (talkcontribs) wrote for Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee today isn't up to code. Do you agree? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Articles for the Mainspace

Hello. I'd hoped for a response from Abcboy or G50, in regards to some of these pages which are ready to be mainspaced, hopefully you can help.

Regards PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Legend festival should be fine.
  • The PokeStar competition article should detail its competitors like the other competition articles.
  • Same as above.
  • Marina group should be fine.
  • (not sure why it's a subpage of Pershie) Protectors is fine, though is looking bare without a navigation template.
  • Bloom Canyon could do with a bit more, but if nothing else major happens there, then I guess it'd do.
  • Flower Garden Troupe is fine.
  • Pokemon Training Center is fine.
  • Unnamed Island is fine, again navigation template would help it look nicer.
  • Big Town Pokemon needs further discussion about splitting it off from Pichu Brothers.
  • Pershie didn't do much, and didn't really have an impact in any of the episodes it was in. Not notable.--ForceFire 12:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Just confirming, Bloom Canyon had a brief appearance in the episode.
Anyway, I've made those suggested changes, the pages are now ready for the mainspace. Thanks for the reply. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi. I've noticed only two pages have been mainspaced so far. When will the other approved pages be uploaded to the mainspace? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Apologies for that, all the approved articles have been moved.--ForceFire 10:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Professor Burnet

Her name is Burnet, which comes from the Japanese name. Profesor is her title/occupation, not part of her name, so it's not counted.

Thank you for this explanation while you “rollbacked” these edits, this will be useful in my future contributions. --TheICTLiker4 18:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Mythical pokémon pics

Hi! I'd like to know the ratio over using promotional images of past mythical pokémon in the general page while the latest ones have to use the Sugimori artwork. I edited it because I thought it looked better and more cohesive. Thank you! --Criққѳ~* 16:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Gen 8 Sprites

Hi do you think we should start on the gen 8 sprites now and use the front sprites such as Grookey's front sprite


and upload the backsprites later? I apologize about my wording and English BTW (Mr.GodzillaMan (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC))

New vandal alert

Hey! We've got Yeety (talkcontribs) being a vandal here. Take care of it, please? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Now this person's directly harassing me on my talk page and spreading lies about me on other users' talk pages. I need assistance! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Never mind, Abcboy took care of it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Rillaboom's Drumsticks

I know that Rillaboom carries its drum on its back, but where does it keep its drumsticks? The leaf-like fur near its hands (like how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm)? Macpika (talk) 17:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Totodile’s Tackle

Excuse me, I already know which episode Ash's Totodile used Tackle, and Duplica's Mini-Dit did the same, but why did it get reverted? Dub edits or something?--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 19:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Was it stated or are you just guessing? I don't particularly remember the episode.--ForceFire 05:08, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
It was stated. I’ve seen that episode for a very long time.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 07:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


You can't just delete a fan theory from a paragraph designated to fan speculation. And why isn't Relicanth a map?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Do not edit war. Wait for a response. No response does not mean you can just add it back. Have patience.
I already said why on Relicanth's talk page. It's an opinion. Relicanth's body design looks nothing like the map of Hoenn. And it's a very large stretch to say that its design is why it's needed to unlock the Regis when the far simpler and probable reason is because it's a living fossil Pokemon.--ForceFire 17:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's a map of Hoenn, but it surely is a map. Being brown (like old maps), having unexpleined by any other mean red spot, being unchanged for centuries and always placed sideway instead of heading the player in game sprites, all these things together suggest that. And as a theory of Hoenn map, even if you can't see it, it has no reason to not be added under speculations.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 20:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
It would make more sense if it looked like the map of Hoenn, otherwise, it's just a random design. Again, all of those are a stretch when the more simpler and probable reason is because it's an ancient Pokemon. It still needs to be reasonable speculation, and the whole map thing just isn't.--ForceFire 01:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Bulbapedia Rework

Hello, Force Fire. My name is Xeraphyy. Last month, a tweet was made announcing that Bulbapedia was going through some site upgrades. The link to the tweet is below.

I was wondering if the site upgrades are still continuing. Do you know of the status of the rework? Please get back to me when you can. Xeraphyy (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Raichu's gender

May I ask why the gender of Visquez's Raichu can't be confirmed? It's a Raichu that was first seen after gender differences were implemented, we've seen Pikachu's gender differences before, and her Raichu's tail clearly was that of a male Raichu. I personally fail to see the reason to not consider its gender confirmed based on its tail. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

That's Pikachu's gender difference. Not Raichu's gender difference. Just because one gender difference has been acknowledged, does not mean the others exist. They still need to be acknowledged by the animators. They could easily acknowledge one difference but not the other, because they can just be like that sometimes.
A female Raichu has appeared in the anime, but it was drawn with a male tail (Tierno's). So we still can't use gender differences, until the female variant Raichu appears in the anime. Other than that, it needs to be explicitly stated or hit with attract/cute charm. But you know that already.--ForceFire 01:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Oh, right. I had completely forgotten about Tierno's Raichu. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
How is Tierno's Raichu a cetain case? I've ask about this here.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hikaru Wazana

Me and FinnishPokéfan92 have been having some trouble with Hikaru Wazana, mainly on the Archive section with him uploading images that aren't the right size or quality, adding more work for us and other users. I've spoken to Chosen and Abcboy about this but haven't had any response. Was wondering if you could look into it? I'm bringing this up now as he's starting making more work on this side of Bulbapedia, notably the Elite Four‎‎ and Casey's Meganium pages.--BigDocFan (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

I didn’t upload anything to Casey’s Meganium page, the only thing I did was expand the page, which YEARS passed without anyone putting anything relevant about her role. The other uploads I made with images with the best quality I got, unfortunately I can't change them with the standard quality. If the images of the E4 you are talking about are those of the Pokemon Puzzle League, unfortunately I couldn't get any better, so I wondered if it was better to add content or not. I chose to add the content.

What should I do? There is a page that, as notable as it is, no one takes the trouble to update. It seems that people care more about putting Trivia than really supporting the site. The other day I sent you the screencaptures of a hosted site, but doing that for all the ones I get is an extra job. I don't want to give extra work to the people who collaborate here,Hikaru Wazana (talk10:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't pay too much attention to the archives side of things, so any issues should be brought up with someone that spends more time over there. As for Hikaru's edits here, they're fine. If they feel like a page can be expanded, they are free to expand it to the best of their abilities.--ForceFire 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


So why exactly you reverted back the table for Pokemon that evolve depending on gender? It wasn't big edit, not even mine.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Because it wasn't necessary. Not every page have to have the same template design. You also made a large scale edit without consulting others on the talk page, like you usually do. If you want to suggest a drastic change, always propose it on the talk page first. Don't just do as you please.--ForceFire 08:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm too convinced that Bulbapedia's style should be precise and consistent as it is on most of pages already. Do you have any reason for this page to not be like the others? Because there is one reason for and zero against. Also, I do many bigger changes by myself because my questions and suggestions are rarely answered and when they do there is almost no reason presented. For example you still haven't answered my question about Tierno's Raichu.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:31, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't just go ahead with making largescale edits just because no one responds, that does not give you the privilege to just make the edit anyway. Wait for a response. The evolution chain is not the point of that section of the article, so there is not needs for a template that showcases an entire evolutionary line. The article is about gender, so it shows the different gender specific Pokemon. Evolutionary line has nothing to do with the article. And Tierno's Raichu is confirmed female because the original version stated that Attract failed on Blastoise because Blastoise was male.--ForceFire 16:55, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
If there is no point in showing whole evolutionary line, then why don't you simplify it in the same way on other pages? And if Tierno's Raichu is confirmed female then why don't you mention that on page of Visquez's Raichu that it is the reason for not giving him gender. It's really annoying how you're making decisions you're not fully abide to.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
Just leave it. It's fine the way it is and gets the point across just as well. The point is to show the evolution method and the gender specific forms, since the section is titled "gender based evolution", and using the artwork shows the differences much more clearly than a minisprite. That and your template makes it inconsistent in design with the template right below it.--ForceFire 16:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
And as I said, they don't all have to have the same template design. Some pages can have unique templates designs depending on the article. There is no inconsistency issue.--ForceFire 16:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


Honestly just a small issue I spotted regarding Urshifu's page, where the Tower of Darkness and Tower of Waters are referred to as the Temple of Darkness and Temple of Waters in the evolution box. It's a minor error, but it bothered me, so I made an account specifically to try to fix it, but of course it was protected, which I didn't realize was a thing because I didn't ever consider it. Anyway, just something I felt obligated to point out for the sake of accuracy. Thanks for your time reading this. --ArcaneCrystal (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Fixed.--ForceFire 08:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

List Grammar

On the Normal (type) page, you reverted my edit to the sentence, "Their inability to hit Ghost-type Pokémon can be nullified by using Foresight, Odor Sleuth, or by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy." That's a list of two nouns (Foresight and Odor Sleuth) and a prepositional phrase ("by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy"), which just doesn't work, or a list of two prepositional phrases ("by using Foresight" and "by Pokémon with the Ability Scrappy") and a noun (Odor Sleuth), which also just doesn't work. (At least, it doesn't work in American English; I don't know about other major dialects.) Matthias von Schwarzwald (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

"In the movies"?

Dear ForceFire,

I noticed several of the anime characters that have been featured in the Pokémon movies have sections titled "In the movies", while most are "In the anime". Is there a reason for this, or should it all be standardized to one format?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

If they've featured in both the main series and the movie series, then it should have two subsections for anime and movies (order goes by whichever they first appeared in). Movie exclusive characters get a history section.--ForceFire 08:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon seen sections for anime locations

Dear ForceFire,

I would also like to clarify what Pokémon are typically included in the Pokémon seen sections of the location pages. While I think we can do away with these sections entirely due to differences in formatting and non-specific images as some appearance have only occurred in a group. I've noticed that some Trainer owned Pokémon are included in these segments, especially locations that hosted Contests, should it only be wild Pokémon and Pokémon known to actually reside in the area with their Trainer? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I think the section is necessary to showcase what Pokemon reside in the area. Multiple images of the same thing for individual Pokemon isn't a problem. It should ideally just be for wild Pokemon. I don't think a trainer's Pokemon being at a location counts, since it technically doesn't reside there (not sure why a contest location would have a section for that).--ForceFire 08:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Tracey's Scyther

The Grammarfreak user insists on putting a "Johto" section for Tracey's Scyther. Since Tracey didn't have a "Johto Journey", does that make any sense?I mean, the Johto and Kanto level is not separated with Kanto arc and Johto arc unless the respective Pokémon has a journey in such a place (Gary's Eevee, Gary Arcanine they are like that as far as I'm concerned, right?).

Doesn't the page just list the point of view of that respective character?Even if you allow me, I think the division should be just in the anime saga (something like Original Series, Advance, Diamond and so on). As is done even in the manga section. In this case of Tracey, what is the point in creating a section to detail a journey it did not take?I don't know I managed to put my point of view correctly, I apologize if you may have been a little confused.Hikaru Wazana (talk10:30, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The history is only separated by region if they have appeared in that region, yes. Though, in the case of Scyther, it did appear after the Orange Island arc but in Kanto and not Johto. I think renaming the section "Kanto", "Other", or "post Orange Islands" would be more appropriate.
The region specific separation should only be for Pokemon that appeared in two different regions in an arc (so Hoenn and Kanto for AG, Kanto, Orange, and Johto for OS, so on so forth). If the Pokemon has done something notable or important in a region, then it should be noted.--ForceFire 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

New titles of new series

SS021 - Hit Your Mark, Wave Guidance! Satoshi and the Mysterious Egg!!(12/4)

SS022 - Farewell, Rabbifoot!(19/4)

SS023 - Massive Panic! Sakuragi Park!! (26/4)

These are the new titles. Could you confirm and them in the list of new series episodes. - unsigned comment from Dhiwakar (talkcontribs)

Don't worry about it, ForceFire. It's already added. Thank you. Dhiwakar (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


I was wondering that should the Battle Frontier facility info templates be edited to include the possibility of a battlefield section, like with Gym info templates, and the game image of the facility in the template be replaced with the anime image, if possible. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

While I wouldn't be against it (I only really checked the Battle Pyramid article, and an anime image would be a better alternative), tryask for second opinions.--ForceFire 05:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Blazingfist has also agreed to the idea. Should I ask some more users, or is this fine? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
If you'd like, you can make a mockup in your userspace and I can get the Editorial board to check it.--ForceFire 15:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I created a mockup here. I mainly just added another image section to the bottom of the template. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I've brought it up with the editorial board, waiting approval.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Does not explain name origin?

howdy, Force Fire. i'm just here to ask you, why have you removed my edit on Hawlucha's page? i was thinking it'd be possible that a Matador (Bullfighter) puts the "bull" in Luchabull. which is why i added it in the name origin. was there something wrong with it? ----i n u k o i n u (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

It did not explain how the word "matador" itself is incorporated into the name. The relevance to bulls is already mentioned with just "bull" before it.--ForceFire 05:10, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
oh, i really wanted to add how i thought it meant but i guess not. i'm still just a bit new at this so, sorry. heh. ----i n u k o i n u (talk) 13:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Ash Ketchum page split suggestion

Hi Force Fire, I've started a proposal on Ash Ketchum's talk page about splitting it into different pages and I would like to hear from you as Senior Administrator! Thanks!--Criққѳ~* 15:08, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Cynthia (anime)

I was wondering if it might be worth giving Cynthia her own anime page or start work on one at least.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to use another user's conversation, but as the subject is the same ... Well, I started creating a page for Korrina. I wanted your opinion, should I continue with it? I think that here I could start making more exclusive pages for the counterparts of some characters, mainly to relieve the space of some "official" pages of some. Because here there are a lot of pages I could gain from this, as the tidy could be more detailed and the main page would stay with only the basics.
I think the site has a problem that many people prefer to fill the pages of Trivias, but do not put relevant content on the same page. This happens very often on trainer's Pokémon pages (Maylene's Lucario for example). But even relevant characters went through this, the page of the matriarch of Village of Dragons was almost a summary and did not even have all the character's participation. Bulbapedia could create a stricter rule for placing Trivias on the pages. I mean, it's just a suggestion.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree that some more Gym Leaders might necessitate sub-articles for their anime counterparts and so on and so forth, not just those who accompanied Ash on his journey. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I think both Cynthia and Korrina are notable for their own article, though I suggest adding something to the "pre-series" section of her page before moving first.
As for anime articles for game characters, only if they've played an important role and appeared in more than a few episodes, obviously Surge, Roxanne, and Clay aren't notable for anime articles. If you have any suggestions, you can always start one up in your userpage and the staff will take a look.--ForceFire 15:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Went to mainspace Cynthia, but got this message. You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:
A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.--BigDocFan (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I did the pre-series section and put content from episodes that were not included in the main article, as you suggested, Force Fire. If someone wants to coordinate efforts and make pages for characters notable enough for the page, I volunteer. I'm already making some Pokés for some characters.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 21:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
I have moved both Cynthia and Korrina to the mainspace, though cynthia could do with an introductory paragraph, like the other anime character articles...--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
What are the rules for a character to get his own page? I mean, there is one, right?I know some people made a page for Hau, I have one in progress for Steve Stone. I believe that Clair has what is necessary, but it would be good to have an official opinion so that we don't have to make a lot of pages that we don't need. What rules do they use in the manga section? Would Morty, Norman, Roark, Gardenia or Brandon be notable?Sorry about the lot of questions. LOL.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
There isn't a hard notability rule for anime characters as there is for anime Pokemon, though some of the rules there would probably apply. Basically they must appear from more than a few episodes, play an important role in the series, and do more than just battle the main characters. Norman and Brandon could be notable, but not the others you mentioned.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Created a page for Brandon, was wondering if you could have a look.--BigDocFan (talk) 08:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Both Steven Stone and Brandon are fine to be mainspaced, both played a major role in their series.--ForceFire 09:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
I personally disagree. We don't need to create such an excessive amount of separate pages. Cynthia and Korrina I can understand, but Steven and Brandon I disagree with. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Both have played major parts in an arc they appeared in (Regigas arc for Brandon, Mega Evolution arc for Steven), and have done more that just battle. While I do go on and on over quality over quantity, the quality of those pages are fine.--ForceFire 05:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I added information to Brandon's page, I hope everything is right. Despite that, from now on I will only suggest the page when it is ready, Brandon's page was still far from ready(We still need to find a better image to put in the infobox). The one I'm doing for Steven I'll be letting you know when it's ready to head to the main space.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 22:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I did the first drafts on this page, do you think it is good enough to go to the main space?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 20:09, 05 May 2020 (UTC)

I've brought up that page with the other staff members, as I wasn't sure if Clair had done enough outside of battling to warrant a separate page, and they deemed Clair not notable for an anime specific article.--ForceFire 12:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)


I tried to undo an edit on my talkpage but the abuse filter wouldn't let me. --CaliforniaPokemonGirl623 (talk) 03:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

That usually happens when new users attempt to remove large amounts of information. I've removed the template from your talk page. Again, your talk should not be used as a userpage. The only thing that should be on your talk page, aside form the welcome template, are comments and discussions.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Force Fire How many edits (specific number) are needed to get autoconfirmed? --CaliforniaPokemonGirl623 (talk) 15:38, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
The number is kept secret, even I don't know what the number is. It's kept secret so users don't just make the reuired amount of edits and abandon the mainspace for the userpace.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Blast Burn, etc.

Hey, if I recall I don't think I repeatedly edited the pages for Blast Burn and similar moves to state that they were the Kanto starters' signature moves - I think I only edited each of them once (or possibly twice to correct mistakes). But in any case, before XD was released, the Kanto starters were the only Pokémon that could learn those moves, similar to Greninja with Water Shuriken before ORAS. They're even listed on the signature move page as such. Therefore, if they don't qualify as signature moves, then Water Shuriken shouldn't either. --Darthrai (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I checked the history section of Blast Burn and you added it a few years back, which subsequently got reverted. Yes, the Kanto starters were the only one that can learn it, but it didn't keep it as a signature move for a generation, which is what (one of) the criteria is. I've removed the Greninja line on Water Shuriken.--ForceFire 04:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


Hey! It's clear Dinosaurtime.YT (talkcontribs) is going to continue edit-warring on articles rather than use the talk page. Do something about it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

It's just a matter of explaining to him how things work and that he can help in other sections, there are loads of pages that need help.There is no point in creating a problem with this, or to reach the moderator's page with that tone of words.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 00:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
It wouldn't be a problem if the user hadn't immediately gone to the talk page when their edits were contested. Repeated reversions is automatically punished with a block, whether anyone likes it or not. I would know. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
I've given them a message.--ForceFire 05:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Dinosaurtime.YT - Can i say something? I am not Edit-warring. It am just correcting information that is wrong. Many people seem to think that 1-57 is 52 episodes when it is not, it is 57 episodes. I am merely correcting people who are mistaken and wrong.- unsigned comment from Dinosaurtime.YT (talkcontribs)

You are clearly counting the episodes that never aired in the US. Because while EP001 to EP057 are season one, only 52 of them actually aired in the US (EP018, EP035, EP038, EP052, and EP053 were either banned or aired later).--ForceFire 12:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, ok then, i din't know. I just thought it was a typo that had become believed. I made an extra point in the seasons page to correct it and let people know, just in case they didn't know and i apologise for the inconvenience and misconception. {user:Dinosaurtime.YT} - unsigned comment from Dinosaurtime.YT (talkcontribs)

That's not what the dot points are for. The dot points are listing the different definitions of a season. The stuff about irregularities in count can go elsewhere.--ForceFire 13:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Where should it go then? In the first section of the page?--Dinosaurtime.YT (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Mainspacing suggestion

I have a page about Miette's Slurpuff that's been waiting for a mainspacing decision for years now. Do you think it's notable and complete enough to be mainspaced? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like Miette's Slurpuff hasn't done much outside of performing in Showcases, if I remember correctly. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Miette's Slurpuff isn't notable. It didn't do anything major, apart from its debut episode, and every appearance afterwards was just battling/performances.--ForceFire 05:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
...Fine... --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Team Rocket's disguises

I noticed the page on Team Rocket's disguises is written in the present tense, while we typically write in the past tense. Is there a reason for this? Also Butch and Cassidy have used disguises during some of their schemes, should these be included on the List of Team Rocket's disguises page?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

The wording on that article should be in past tense, yes. As for Butch and Cassidy's disguise, I wouldn't be against it, though you might need to suggest it to others.--ForceFire 06:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Not a problem thanks. I'll message BlazingFist to confirm whether Butch and Cassidy's disguises should be added to the page. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 02:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I've always thought the article should be written in present tense because it's always been that way. My bad, I guess. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Spoiler tags for Lusamine page? Maybe also for Chairman Rose?

Okay as the both of us know, the wiki still has not tolerated spoilers in the opening paragraph of the Lusamine page (this may also be a good thing to potentially apply to Chairman Rose. Last I checked, the original Sun and Moon (the storyline where this fits into) was released approximately 3 - 3.5 years ago. Unowninator suggested spoiler tags, and I think that may be a worthy solution. What do you think? Crummymummy (talk) 03:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in the story section of her article, with a spoiler tag in the section (though I think the twist already been alluded to anyway), it will not go to the main paragraph as it is too much of a spoiler. It being 3 years after SM has been released means nothing. It's been years since Colosseum and XD were released and their villains have separate pages from their disguised characters.--ForceFire 06:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Walkthrough edits

Hi, I am a new user here who wants to edit and create walkthroughs. The Appendix:Sun and Moon walkthrough/Section 3 page is essentially a copy and paste of the Hau'oli City page. When I tried deleting the parts unrelated or out of place in the walkthrough, I found that I couldn't, as it was automatically labeled as vandalism. Do I need to become an autoconfirmed user first, or do I need some other privileges? Thanks for your help. Mercilessstarfish (talk) 02:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That normally happens when new users try to remove large amounts of information. You just need to wait a while.--ForceFire 04:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Lickitung's Lick

In 2016, you said on Jessie's Lickitung's talk page that the action of licking does not equal the move Lick. However, the announcer in Lickitung's debut episode clearly refers to the action as "Lick attack", as in "Lick the move". If you ask me, this is just an example of an anime move error than an "improvised" move. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware of what the announcer said, though I do not remember if it was dub added or from the original. I've removed the improved moves template from the page, the template itself having already been removed multiple times before only to be re-added again.--ForceFire 06:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I looked into it, and it turns out that Lickitung's licking wasn't referred to as a move in the Japanese version. So yeah. I stand corrected. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

My edits

Why are you reverting my edits to the Pokémon pages?--KnightGalarie (talk) 04:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Do paintings of Pokémon count as anime appearances?

KnightGalarie certainly seems to think so. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Paintings are images, right?--KnightGalarie (talk) 08:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I've been getting mixed signals about that, honestly. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Pokémon appearances and debuts.--ForceFire 09:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
So the Pokemon Park robots/animatronics don’t count as appearances at all?--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
An exception can be made for those as they played a major role in their episode.--ForceFire 09:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

May's Ivysaur

And hey as long as we’ve got you, why is May’s Ivysaur considered a “Major appearance” when her Ivysaur never actually appeared? I brought it up on the Ivysaur talk page but it didn’t get any traction--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

If it has an article and belonged to a main character, then it's automatically a major appearance. The fact that most of its major appearances were spent as a Bulbasaur carried over to its time as an Ivysaur and then a Venusaur (which, if I may recall, didn't appear for too long either). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
But Venusaur at least got an appearance. Ivysaur has zero appearances. It can’t be a major appearance if there’s no appearance to speak of--KnightGalarie (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
The section is just more or less stating that May's Bulbasaur eventually evolved into an Ivysaur. It's fine.--ForceFire 09:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

My own block

Hey! I think I might have to be blocked too. I've reverted KnightGalarie so many times on so many different articles that I've lost count. Review my history and see if I've done enough reverts to warrant some sort of block, because I do feel like I've jumped the gun one too many times here. But at this point, I'm too tired to check for myself. Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

GalarPony and KnightGalarie

Hey! Call it a far-fetched hunch, but is it possible GalarPony (talkcontribs) and KnightGalarie (talkcontribs) could be one and the same person? Not only do their usernames both have "Galar" in it, but both GalarPony and KnightGalarie have a bad tendency to edit-war and use edit summaries to make their argument rather than trying to go to the talk page first. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Did a check between the two accounts. I've given them a message.--ForceFire 08:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I just read your message. Honestly, given the similarities you just described (some of which I hadn't even thought of, honestly), it looks super-suspicious. I'm personally convinced they're the same person, but I suppose GalarPony's multiple IP addresses complicates things for you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:34, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Whoa, whoa, whoa, how can the issue be cleared up? How could KnightGalarie share the same computer details as GalarPony and yet say they created their account on a cellphone? Unless there's something about computers I don't know about (and please feel free to explain it to me if this is the case), this is telling me two possible scenarios:
1) KnightGalarie is GalarPony and created the account with a cellphone, and then used the same computer to make their edits.
2) KnightGalarie and GalarPony are different people who share access to the same computer (which KnightGalarie hadn't exactly confirmed).
I think you should press for some clarification on their explanation, because I'm still suspicious about this. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't believe that he is GalarPony. The only thing connecting the two are the matching devices, which isn't that helpful if it is a mobile device. The similar names isn't even a good reason, anyone can use the word "Galar" in their name. Their behaviors, whilst similar, are still circumstantial. In a sense, I decided not to pursue it any further. If you still have concerns, you can bring it up with someone of a higher rank than me.--ForceFire 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)


Cynthia149 (talkcontribs) had this lovely comment to say at the new series talk page. Mind giving them a warning? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:27, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Don't think it's too bad, but I'll leave a response on that talk page.--ForceFire 04:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Nah, I'll give them a message on their talk page instead.--ForceFire 04:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Pokérap backwards

Hello Force Fire, I was browsing through my previous contributions to the Wiki and decided to look at the controversy page, I noticed that the point about the Pokérap had an inadequate source. After doing a search for "Pokérap" and "Satan" I found no first had source, I reckon this could be a myth like Lavender Town and the Vikings wearing horns on their helmets so removed it but you want a discussion so I'm starting one. The point doesn't have a valid source and makes Christians come across as overly paranoid, I don't think this site should allow misconceptions to spread, I mean after all the Lavender Town point isn't on the page which is a similar myth so why should this one?Great Bear (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

The Lavender town myth was actually busted. The Pokerap thing hasn't been busted. Does it make Christians look bad? Maybe? But people from other religions have said stuff about the franchise, so Christians saying such things wouldn't be too far off. I've already had a discussion about this with another user years ago, but it most likely happened during the 90s when Pokemon was at the height of its craze. Stuff like this probably wasn't documented at the time, and if it was, most likely died along with the 90s.--ForceFire 05:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Your response comes down to "I speculate that it happened even though there's no evidence to support thid from the time, but I think it happened, therefore it must remain". Just because you think it MIGHT have happened doesn't mean it did and if a source died in the 90s we should assume it didn't happen (evidence must exist to confirm something). I think it seems quite a stretch because why would people decide to play specifically the Kanto Pokérap backwards. This is exactly like the Vikings with horned helmets, no account at the time yet believed to have happened because people spread their ideas after the time. Could it not be reworded to remove the piece about Christian fundamentalist, as we have no evidence that they specifically complained about this and instead just say that people (not Christians) have noticed (not complained) that you might be able to hear "I love you Satan" essentially showing that it's a rumour on the internet.Great Bear (talk) 11:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I will agree with ForceFire on this one. Given that there was a "Satanic Panic" starting in the 1980s and lasting well into the 1990s before it finally stopped for the most part. I would assume that there was a lot of overly zealous christians at the time trying to say ANYTHING they could to get people to stop being fans of the franchise, including making up lyrics and such that they may have heard in the songs when played backwards. The earliest record I could find making mention of this "backmask message" was from a forum thread documented in 2004 where someone asked if others had heard of this rumor before and if they thought they heard the message as well. So while it has been pretty much impossible to find videos or articles where christian folks are flat out stating this, it likely had been stated at one point in time during the late 90s - early 00s before the website was removed. Given most early internet websites were poorly archived, it would likely be impossible to find records of older christian websites making note of it these days. That being said, as youtuber SteveTerreberry has shown, if you try hard enough, you can hear whatever you want out of a song in reverse, even though 99% of the time, there is nothing there in the lyrics anyways. Frozen Fennec 12:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I completely disagree, it all boils down to did Christians specifically say that you could hear "I love Satan" in the Pokérap played backwards. The answer is "we don't know, we have no evidence to show that they ever did" and Frozen Fennec saying that it wasn't properly archived is not an excuse, it needs to be proved and saying that it could have happened but we have no evidence is NOT an excuse. Just because they may have complained about other recordings doesn't mean that they did about this one and shows them as overzealous people who complain about a children's entertainment franchise (which really doesn't portray them as good people, and some people might find this unproven information offensive). Force Fire saying that this hasn't been debunked is also not an excuse because you need to prove that something happened, not assume that something happened because of something that appeared on the internet after the time. Finally it's not opinion it's about objectivity and fact and you need information to prove a FACT otherwise it should only belong on speculative forums and not an encyclopedia.Great Bear (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Another thing I just thought of is why does it really matter if it remains on the page? If it's removed for being an internet rumour then it will still exist on speculative forums, that I mentioned earlier.Great Bear (talk) 15:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed something else, it says "Some claim" present tense, in other words happening right now. Regardless of everything recently discussed it should be past tense.Great Bear (talk) 15:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

KnightGalarie again

I don't appreciate the tone he's using here. I most certainly wasn't lying; I didn't see the first template at first. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

In what way is this acceptable behavior? The minute you see something you don’t like, your first thought is punishment?--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm already on hot water with admins for sending my own warnings to other users, so I'm not taking any chances. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
But your first thought was still punishment for saying something you disagreed with. I didn’t call you names--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
You're claiming I lied, which was extremely rude and uncalled for. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Uncalled for? You stated an easily-provable falsity in your argument. What else was I supposed to think?--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Very bold of you to assume I was maliciously lying when I was just distracted by other tabs on my computer at the time. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Which is why you acted out of malice by running to an admin after a single occurrence instead of solely talking it out with me--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Because, knowing me, I was going to remind you of certain site rules, which only admins could do. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Rules that weren’t violated--KnightGalarie (talk) 00:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Correction, certain user etiquette. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
And yet you still thought you needed an admin to scold me --KnightGalarie (talk) 00:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Because said etiquette is documented in the site rules. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Attention: Rillaboom's Biology Section - Please Add Info About Its Drumsticks

Could you please mention where Rillaboom keeps its drumsticks? It appears that they are in the leaf-like fur near its hands (similar to how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm).

We know this Pokémon carries its drum on its back, but if we don't mention where it keeps its drumsticks, it would feel incomplete. Macpika (talk) 18:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

What did I do wrong?

I made an edit on the move variations page about adding Pika Papow and Veevee Volley to the section about Frustration. I edited it and added the detail about the two moves being unable to miss and it was deleted by KnightGalarie for “changing criteria without permission”. I don’t know what I did wrong but is there a way I can fix this so I can add these moves into the page? Or better yet, how can I get permission to change criteria without permission? I just want to be able to do better next time. PeakA (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

The criteria is in the first line of the article, which you did not change, so you're fine in that regard. In regards to those two moves being variations of Frustration, they are not. A move with 100% accuracy can still miss, where those two moves cannot miss.--ForceFire 08:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
That’s what it was. Thank you for telling me about this. I am going to make a new section to out these moves in as I am sure they are variations of one another. Thank you for your help. Also someone mentioned for me to take down this question but I said no. Do they have permission to do that? PeakA (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
No, they don't have permission to tell you to remove this section. I'll send a message their way.--ForceFire 17:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Zeno Robinson/Ray Chase/Cherami Leigh

With their roles of Goh, Cerise and Chloe being main or major recurring characters, I was wondering if I could mainspace the pages I created for them? User:BigDocFan/Zeno Robinson, User:BigDocFan/Ray Chase and User:BigDocFan/Cherami Leigh--BigDocFan (talk) 09:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I would say yes to all three, only because we know those characters are recurring/main characters.--ForceFire 10:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Idol Trainer class


Hibana isn't a even a tainer. You removed Idol characters in the anime section who are indeed trainers, idols, and use pokémon from fairy-egg group, such as Brittany. If you don't remove Hibana from the Anime section, you should at least add Brittany and Marina who also are confirmed Idol in the anime. Jeangabin666 (talk) 13:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hibana is referred to as an Idol. Brittany and Marina existed before the trainer class, so they can't be part of a trainer class that didn't exist at the time of their appearances (and Marina isn't even referred to as an Idol in her DP cameo).--ForceFire 14:24, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Privacy cleanup

Hi there, just doing some Internet history cleaning for privacy reasons. Would you mind deleting my user page and its page history (and the same for talk, if that's okay), as well as wiping this edit? No need to reply, thanks. --Poppy 21:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

For the avoidance of doubt, this is a GDPR Article 17 request for the removal of personal data. --Poppy Appletree (talk) 21:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Hey there, just stepping in on behalf of Force Fire, for us to process this request you'll need to send an email through to [email protected] and someone should be able to take care of it for you. Thanks! -Spriteit (talk) 09:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Conflict editing

Hello, we're in a conflict with User_talk:KnightGalarie. I added this fact with source, which he removed and keeps removing. Bulbapedia has whole pages about anime recycling and I think this is relevent to this encyclopedia. Can you take a decision please. Jeangabin666 (talk) 15:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

You’re supposed to talk it out with the user before running to an admin. People are allowed to disagree with you. That doesn’t mean you run to administrators to plow down anyone who opposes you--KnightGalarie (talk) 15:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
If the building that's being recycled has a distinct design to it, then I'd say it's notable. (One off) Human characters and buildings are different in that the (one off) human characters are usually designed to be distinctive, while buildings (unless it plays some importance like a Gym or PokeCenter) aren't.--ForceFire 16:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, Jeangabin can go to a staff member if they feel that the user they are trying to communicate with isn't being overly helpful or cooperative (which your comment wasn't).--ForceFire 16:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Except I gave a similar explanation you did when I first removed it (how the first suburbs were all clones of one another), and instead of addressing it, they claimed I wasn’t allowed to remove it without a discussion, which isn’t true on the first removal.--KnightGalarie (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
The problem is you're looking at the surroundings and not the building itself, which is the focus. Of course the surrounding is going to be super vague, but that's not what's being talked about.--ForceFire 16:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Takeshi’s Paradise performances

Since the running gag is far too prominent to be trivial, I’ve readied it to be moved out of the trivia section. I’ve proposed two setups on the talk page and I’m interested what you might think would be the best option: The intro, like the Pokémon Theme’s remixes are for its page, or an “In the anime” type section (name TBA) that would be placed above the Lyrics section--KnightGalarie (talk) 06:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


At least you're right with unblocking me. --Bfdifan2006 10:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to make a new page

I want to make a list of pokemon that only appear in one regional pokedex list but I don't know how to create my own page so I combined it with the list of pokemon that appear in no regional pokedex can you please let me edit that one so it can be the one I want while still being the original page? - unsigned comment from Luxray4 (talkcontribs)

You have to be autoconfirmed to be able to make a userpage. And you may not edit a pre-existing page to be what you want it to be, that article is strictly for Pokemon that do not appear in any regional Pokedex.--ForceFire 15:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

African Vulture

African Vulture (talkcontribs) is starting to get really snippy on the talk page of the new series. Just so you know. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:38, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

And now they're going on tangents about Abcboy's location. It's weird. ([2] [3]) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The rules apply to everyone

Why do you refuse to follow them, and act in such a way to make everything in your favor?--KnightGalarie (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


Hello, with all the quarantine stuff, I've been researching Pokémon manga and as you can see from some editions I did I noticed that the manga brings almost a new universe to the mythology of the franchise(Which even adds a lot of content to characters from the anime itself). Anyway, I was wondering, how can I enlist members to help contribute in this specific area?Do you think I can do something like that, or is it kind of hopeless?I ask why I usually see people more focused on Trivia or other details, and the manga part is often neglected.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 01:24, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Manga is not generally my area of expertise. You can see who are more knowledgeable in the manga by checking the RC and seeing who normally edits the manga related pages. The suggested page itself, if it differs dramatically from the game/anime lore (which, it probably does), then it's probably worth attempting to create in your userspace.--ForceFire 06:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Legendary Pokemon

You cannot just reverting my edits, are you aware of that?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 12:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Tiddlywinks already explained on the Ultra Beasts talk page that they're not legendary Pokemon, but that's obviously not an answer you like. There are multiple sources stating that the Ultra Beasts are not legendary.--ForceFire 13:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Can you provide any?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I can really only repeat the source Tiddlywinks posted on the Ultra Beast talk page. And really, that should be enough to say that they are not legendary. As Tiddlywinks said, they've been referred to as non-legendary multiple times, it's not worth beating the dead horse. You're clearly never gonna get the answer you want.--ForceFire 17:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I think that they should be considered "disputed" like Phione being mythical. None of these sources is a hard proof.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

What are the rules?

What are the rules for trivia? It seems all over the place and I get the feeling speculation isn't allowed, but some pages have it in their trivia while others don't. And do administrators here answer to non-admin users? Just so I don't have to deal with asking questions on talk pages and never getting an answer, or making edits and then having them undone without an explanation, I'm posing this [possibly futile] question. If you don't want to answer that's okay, but we're gonna bump heads again in the future and I think it's fair I give you notice. BNKTalk 18:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Force Fire/Trivia Policy. It's not official, nor is it complete, but it's something. Speculation isn't allowed, what articles have speculation in their trivia sections? Staff members will answer to anyone's question.--ForceFire 07:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Piplup user

Don't be fooled by Piplup.'s new account, ‎ポッチャマ (talkcontribs). It's the Japanese writing for Piplup. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:30, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware. The Japanese names aren't on the blacklist, just the English names. Which is an easily exploitable loophole. I'll bring it up with the other staff members, but they're fine for now.--ForceFire 07:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Would Russian names also be ok, like the Japanese names?ポッチャマ (talk) 22:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm also wondering, would transliterations of other alphabets' Pokémon's names be okay?ポッチャマ (talk) 22:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Other language names are fine. The point of having the English names blacklisted is to avoid confusion.--ForceFire 06:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Questionable editor

A user named Zarxiel94 (talkcontribs) has made multiple consecutive edits on "Sync pair", and practically all of the edit summaries say "trying to merge the same sync pairs and using the game sync pairs stories order instead of repeating the same sync pairs and using the release order avoiding the website to consider the edit a vandalism". Seems kinda weird to me, so I thought I'd let you know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks like they're trying to make a largescale edit by making smaller edits so not to trigger the vandal filter, which is what I got from the Sync pair talk page. Largescale edits like those needs approval anyway.--ForceFire 16:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Figured it was something to that direction. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Sync Pair

Why my edits was cancelled? I made everything to be good and simple. Is quite dumb have for the player character for exemple 24 spaces in the list when in fact the player just have 6 Sync Pairs right now, and in future are confirmed others 3 sync pairs for him. In this way when the others sync pairs will be released jus thim will ocupy 34.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

A large-scale edit like that requires discussion with and approval from an admin. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I tryed to contact someone in both talk page and private page. Nobody answered me--Zarxiel94 (talk) 20:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Have patience. Replies can sometimes take a long time to come. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


A user named Hyfg has done a couple of big vandal edits today. I've reversed them already, but I was wondering if the user should be blocked? I'll also leave it up to you to decide if the vandal edits need to be hidden. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like you were way ahead of me. Sorry for bothering you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
It's okay.--ForceFire 10:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Category name?

Why specifically use the category name for the Obedience article?JasonL (talk) 16:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Weather Ball

I have just created a variation for the {{movegen}} template for the page about Weather Ball. This is due to the issue we discussed on its talk page. I've told Abcboy (talkcontribs) about this, so staff can hold a talk on the restricted section of the forums and remove the page from this category. --C.Ezra.Msomething to say? 08:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the cell below the image should be the type, rather than the generation. I also think this works for the side series, might have to do something a little different for the main series games, unless you want to try it the way you have it now.--ForceFire 08:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Force Fire, it was intended to be type, not generation, but I was just too lazy to change. I will take these changes into consideration. --C.Ezra.Msomething to say? 08:57, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Request renaming this user subpage without leaving a redirect

Could you please rename this subpage of mine to a new title (still in my userspace) without leaving a redirect?


It’s a sandboxed copy of your own mainspace-candidate page, but using my sandboxed modifications of {{Alldexh}} & {{Alldex}}.

Thankee! ‐⁠‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 17:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 06:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


I think Asdawdasd (talkcontribs) may be a vandal. Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Ash's Heracross's gender

While I personally agree that Ash's Heracross is male, the reason why its gender hasn't been added to Bulbapedia before was because some admins don't consider Pokémon in the anime that had gender differences introduced to their species in Generation IV confirmed as being of the gender matching the outlook of their gender from the games, if the individual Pokémon was introduced before Generation IV. I hope you understand what I was trying to say. And, again, I personally don't disagree with you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 06:17, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I mean... I'm one of those admins that does not consider a pre-Gen IV debuted Pokemon being of a certain post Gen IV gender. This is currently being discussed with the other staff members.--ForceFire 06:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
And yet, you still made the edit. I hope this leads to this opinion being verified. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

It's been decided that it stays at unknown, as the female variant that appeared wasn't stated to be a female Heracross. It may seem a tad strange, but the anime has shown a gendered Pokemon without its gender defining attribute (Raichu).--ForceFire 12:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

To be fair, Raichu's gender difference is pretty small, but yeah. I kinda guessed this was going to happen. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Mainspaced Goh's Pokémon

Hi good day. Since in episode 23, most of the Goh's Pokémon gained a great prominence, is there any chance that at least those who stood out as main ones like Beedril, Darmanitan, Cubone and Gorluk are going to be in the main space?Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:03, 07 May 2020 (UTC)

The requirements states that they need to have been withdrawn from Cerise's lab and taken to another region.--ForceFire 12:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
In that case, Beedrill fits this rule, right?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:54, 07 May 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if it's involvement is of note. Sure, the battle itself was important, but Beedrill itself really didn't do much.--ForceFire 12:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Confusing username

Instagram (talkcontribs)

REQUEST: Block this user

Request sent at 11:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC) by C.Ezra.Msomething to say?

Done.--ForceFire 12:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Is GrammarFreak banned yet?

Do you think this lovely user that you just blocked was a sockpuppet? I can't imagine this person simply brought me up because they randomly selected me from a sample of users. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

None of their IP addresses or email matches anyone else, but it is highly likely it is someone that you've crossed path with in the past.--ForceFire 05:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you for checking. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Kunihiko Yuyama interview for M20

Would you happen to know how to use the Wayback Machine for this source, or anyone who would? I'm hoping to gain access to the original interview and use it as an external source for M20. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:09, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:03, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
SnorlaxMonster may help regarding using wayback machine.--ForceFire 14:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Category of questionable notability

A user created a category called "Arrested characters" for characters who have been, well, arrested in the anime. Personally, I don't see much notability in such category, but what's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I had noticed that and brought it up with the other staff members earlier today. We agree that it's not notable.--ForceFire 12:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Unacceptable username

A user recently registered with the username of Thots, and I think that should be disallowed. I mean, we wouldn't allow someone to sign up with a name like "whores" or "sluts". Mr. Daikon (talk) 20:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 04:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)


I'd like to make a suggestion. Shouldn't pages like [4] not show contest category anymore? It was useful only in the 6th generation. Now it could be replaced by current mechanic like power of Max Move.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 12:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Also, power of the moves is describes as "varies" and "-" pretty inconsistently, as I pointed out here [5].--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Casey Mongillo

With their role of Goh's Scorbunny and Chrysa, I was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Casey Mongillo could be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

They meet the first requirement, the page is good to be mainspaced.--ForceFire 14:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Goh's Pokémon list

Goh keeps catching new Pokémon every other episode, making the Pokémon list on his page ever longer. Should said list (aside from probably Raboot) be split into its own separate (sub)page? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

That has been brought up a few times, and I personally agree that it should be split off before it gets too large. I believe someone already has a subpage in their userspace. I can bring it up with other the staff members to see what they think.--ForceFire 15:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Please do that. I'll be looking forward to what they say. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

officer Jenny is not voiced by Lipica Shaw pre bw112

I'll present this in a mildly entertaining way.

Bad admin! bad! Go to your bed and think about what you done!

Just because you're an administrator dude does not mean that you are in the right or that you get to tell me I am wrong. I defy you, my beautiful and smart Australian friend, assuming the BW anime even still is available on Ausie netflix or else if there are DVDs of BW episodes pre-BW112 to find me 1 episode in which Officer Jenny is voiced by Lipica Shaw, who hasn't even appeared in the BW series outside of voicing a battle judge in I believe BW051. Oh wait you can't because you show Shaw episodes prior to BW112 and she won't remember it because she had nothing to do with any of Jenny's apearences prior to BW112. The facts are on my side baby, and i know I don't mean maybe. Shaw hasn't appeared in BW as Officer Jenny prior to BW112 and both Tom Wayland and the credits agree with me. Remember that? You used Tom Wayland as your source before? Was he lying? I no longer have twitter, because of some fool mistaking me for somebody else, otherwise I would have gotten a confirmation for you. You best remove Lipica for anything prior to BW112 until you can prove she was even Jenny prior to Adentures in Unova and Beyond. So I hope they do have the BW anime down under there because this time, it is you who must prove your case. So can the admin prove himself that Lipica Shaw was Officer Jenny prior to BW112? or will the Admin dude have to admit that he is dead wrong, as admins often are. This is a case where your admin status won't effect the outcome, as it's a matter of facts, not subordination. Until you figure that out, you will be put in a water cage so your force fire can't get out of control. Good luck proving me wrong, and how I wish I still had me a twitter so I could smash your doubt. African Vulture (talk) 15:52, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

1) Calm down 2)You still need a source, you can't just say you had one and not show it. We're not going to believe anyone that comes here saying they have a source and not provide it. 3) Credits are not valid sourced. Why? Because the credits don't say who voiced who. It just lists the names of the voice actors. And even if what you say about the credits is true, it doesn't mean Emily voiced Jenny. She could've voiced another character instead, because the credits don't say who she voiced.--ForceFire 16:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Whilst trying not to get too involved in this dispute, I have sent Shah a tweet to see if she remembers--BigDocFan (talk) 16:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

To keep up the mildly entertaining theme, with assurences that I am calm: Big dock, good move! I wish that I haden't been oh so cruelly banned from the wonderful world of twitter due to them thinking I was somebody that I was not. (I've been framed!) And forcy of 'da fire, either way, even if the credits don't say "Emily voiced Jenny" they still do not list Shaw outside the Elesa episodes prior to BW112. Take BW006 fore example. What's that? No Lipicas of the shaw! BW045, which is my favourite BW episode. Hmm, it could be an illusion, but who's name do I not see listed in the episode? Oh baby have we got no Lipica and no Shaw, nor any of her other alternate names. BW101 also is absent the Shaw of Lipicas. So, if Lipica Shaw voiced Jenny prior to BW112, why would she not be at least listed in the credits of those episodes as an actor? Hmm, appears to me that something rather odd is going on, or it could be one of Beheeyem's illusions again. But force of the fires of Bulbapedia, if I am wrong, and y'all can prove that Shaw was Jenny prior to BW112, then I'll know, as in the event of me being wrong about this, I will get a firm kick back into line by a Scorbunny. So what will the results be? Even if we don't list Emily for BW006 to BW101 I'm fine with that. Does Emily still have twitter? Well, either the Officer Jenny article will list Lipica Shaw for BW112-BW138, or I'll get a firm kick back into line by Scorbunny. I await the results. African Vulture (talk) 16:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Wait for BigDocFan to come back to us if Shaw has responded. Also, like I said, even if Lipicas wasn't credited in those episodes, you can't assume that Emily voiced Jenny, as again, the credits don't say she voiced her. And going by process of elimination is still speculation, as another voice actor may be able to produce a similar sounding voice.--ForceFire 16:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I do await BDF. What I am saying is that I don't doubt that the credits do not list the rolls, nor do I doubt that there are other actors that could produce a similar voice. However, I'm saying that Lipica isn't in the credits of BW006-bw101, therefore unless TPCI are notorious for not crediting people, it couldn't have been Shaw. I will agree not ot put Emily as BW006-BW101 until those can be confirmed. I am saying that Lipica couldn't have done those as he isn't credited. Again, I could be wrong, and if I am, then I will get that firm kick back into line by a Scorbunny. African Vulture (talk) 16:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Response was Hi there! Oh no I came on during season 16 I think? It was so long ago! IMDB says 16.06 was my first Officer Jenny appearance. I would wait to see what admin say before acting--BigDocFan (talk) 17:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, BigDocFan. While I won't count the imdb bit, but it at least clears that part up. Just need to find out who voiced Jenny before her.--ForceFire 17:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC) there you go I don't know how reliable IMDB is but it's something. African Vulture (talk) 17:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Based on African Vulture's theory, I will tweet Emily Jeyness to see if she recalls voicing Jenny during that period--BigDocFan (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Does she even have twitter? I couldn't find one, but I did link some IMDB links for you in my comment from 17:38 so you at least have some kind of source. African Vulture (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


A user by the name of Kyurem2424 (talkcontribs) is arbitrarily changing pages regarding generation VIII fossils. I tried talking to them, but it doesn't look like they are going to stop. Could you deal with it? Suic (talk) 13:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I had made a page for PokeToon but ended up turning it into a userpage. I was wondering how to proceed with this specific page, I pass the information on it to a specific place or keep the userpage? Recently there was news that Nintendo registered the trademark, so it is likely that there are more. Do you have any suggestions for something I can do? In fact, I wanted to eliminate or go through the userpages that I have made for the mainspace,do away with unnecessary things, I feel that it ends up being stopped content.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd say keep the page and see where the show goes.--ForceFire 06:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Another vandal alert

AstralObservatory (talkcontribs) is fooling around with the Wooloo article. Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Korrina in JN025

Hi, first I would like to apologize for that. I did a more detailed summary about Korrina's participation in the JN025 episode, later I would post pictures and images of the episode. However, a user made an edit war on top of the modifications I made, alleging errors. However I made sure to leave the best possible. In order not to extend the situation I decided to bring the case to you.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Korrina Mienshao

I don't understand your logic for claiming Mienshao is a new Pokémon instead of it being evolved from her Mienfoo. You say it is because we shouldn't jump to conclusions but I think it is a larger leap of logic to say it is a new Pokémon over one she already has. The logical assumption is Mienfoo evolved, and, since we cannot confirm one way or the other, shouldn't we stick with the one that makes the most sense? What makes your claim more valid than the other one? Why should it be seen as a new Pokémon instead? An example that was similar to this happened when M17 came out and we saw Ash's Fletchinder before it evolved in an episode. Some people wanted to claim that Ash caught a different Fletchinder because we hadn't seen Fletchling evolve. Or what about May's Venusaur? Should we say she caught a different one since nobody saw it happen? Don't these sound ridiculous? It baffles me how we continue to remove and lose information in this quest to either be 100% accurate or not at all.--Rahl (talk) 11:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't stated. Simple as that. We will not add speculation based off common sense or logic. Based on common sense/logic, there would've been Gym Leaders in Generation VII. Based off common sense/logic, we would've had a "Gray Version" in Generation V. Based on common sense/logic, Ash would be travelling around Galar and have had a few gym badges by now. See where I'm getting at?
Just because you, me, and everyone else can see that Mienshao is the same Mienfoo that Korrina had, doesn't make it automatically true. And yes, I am of the opinion that Mienshao is Mienfoo. However, it was not stated whether that was the case, and the writers could easily do a complete 180 and do the exact opposite of what we all think. Lenora for example, she used a Lillipup and a Herdier in two different episodes, but they weren't said to be the same individual in the Japanese version. Thus there are treated as separate. Same case here.
For Fletchinder, there were several other factors that went into that. And judging by it's talk page, CoroCoro had already revealed its evolution, among other things. Fletchling's page was moved five days before XY036 aired, whose preview show Fletchling evolving, and with the movie airing beforehand, there was no reason to not move it. May's Venusaur was done over a decade ago, and during the time where things were more lax. We don't see any reason to bother with that. Because by this point, just accept that (article) as being the way it is and move on.--ForceFire 12:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
The only person being strict about it is you, defying all logic, reason, and consensus. And now you’re freely admitting to ignoring precedent. Gary never started that his Blastoise was his starter, Brock assumed so, having never seen him with it before--KnightGalarie (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
If that's what you want to believe. Older articles don't get overly looked into because they have already been around for over a decade and there really isn't any point in splitting them. Do you really want us to split those article up?--ForceFire 13:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, but then what do we do with all similar examples? Gary's Dodrio, for example, we know that Gary has more than 200 Pokémon, including repeated ones, it was established that it was the same Pokémon. Paul's Aggron we knows about Paul's training method, and in the final battle, at no time was it said "look, it's that Pokémon that battled Brandon".As I said in the other discussion, if you start making this kind of change, we’ll have to do it on dozens of pages.
In games when we do a rematch against the trainer, and his type contains an evolution of what he had before, it is easy enough to assume that he is the same evolved Pokémon.As I read, you also consider it to be the same, so this debate is difficult. But the kind of confirmation that you said wait might never come, we don't know if this Korrina return is an isolated event after all and we can't use Lenora's example because it was something that until today I didn't understand, it's an unprecedented case and that didn't make much sense (my theory that was a mistake by the Japanese team and that they fixed in the dub). But in this case, assuming it is a different Pokémon for Korrina is even more risky.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
As I said, older articles don't get looked into because they're already well established and changing them now would probably cause further outcry. We could make another policy to make cases like these more clearer, and then "grandfather" in the older articles, but that requires further discussions with higher ranking staff members.
Games and anime are treated differently, as you may already know. Sure, the confirmation may never come, but if that's the case then there's really nothing we can do about it. The Lenora example is similar, both had an evolved form appear but it wasn't made clear if they were the same as their pre-evolved form. It may have been a mistake and the dub fixed it, or it might not have been and the dub just assumed (as would everyone else). We just... don't know. And we're not just going to assume we know how the anime staff work.--ForceFire 15:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

But you are assuming. You're assuming it is a different Pokémon. And the most logical assumption would be that it evolved. Why is it we are going with the assumption of one individual instead of what many others are agreeing on, since it is impossible to know which is right?--Rahl (talk) 15:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The case of Lenora is different because the distance is from one episode to another, in the case of Korrina we have a distance of years between the last appearance of this Pokémon for this appearance(it's expected to have changes in her team). I see Lenora's Pokémon in the same level of strangeness as Flint's Chimchar, with Korrina I see it the same way it would, I don't know, if Misty appeared with a Seadra or Brock with a Graveller or Golem. Well, anyway, I will wait to see how the discussion unfolds. I don't know the best way to arrive at something that pleases both parties.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
You know why, Rahl. If we could please not dogpile Force Fire for simply taking into consideration standards staff have applied before. User input is always appreciated and taken into consideration when arguments are presented, but staff still have the responsibility of making sure things are okay, even if some of it slips through the cracks. "Logic" by the audience toward a guest character who hasn't shown up in years doesn't translate to iron-clad proof, but the writers using characters as vehicle to confirm a pokemon's identity (if the Blastoise scenario is how it went down as described here) is. Kai * the Arc Toraph 17:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm not trying to dogpile, but this doesn't make sense. We cannot confirm either answer. Why is this the one that should be picked?--Rahl (talk) 17:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
"The only person being strict about it is you, defying all logic, reason, and consensus." - KG
"Why is it we are going with the assumption of one individual instead of what many others are agreeing on" - Rahl
Just try not to take this route to make your case and take another, in the 'general you' sense. And it would be for the same reason staff didn't list Eternatus as a legendary: it's easier to be wrong without connecting them, than it is to be wrong if we have. Staff might come to a different conclusion, but this is not a stance we haven't taken before. Kai * the Arc Toraph 18:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Calling it dogpiling when there was no coordinated effort just to defend a fellow admin is super sketchy. Multiple users came to an admin on their own, wondering the same thing. It’s almost as if admins are more interested in protecting each other and their own ideas instead of being open to being wrong. Because over and over again this happens with Force Fire and nobody calls him out on it. Maybe, just maybe, the argument of “If it’s not explicitly said, it can’t be true.” is not one-size-fits-all--KnightGalarie (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
All you're doing here, KnightGalarie, is attacking people's character.
Also, cool idea: if you want to hear from somebody other than ForceFire, maybe ask someone other than ForceFire. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
If you could show me where I attacked his character and not critiqued his behavior as an administrator, that would be helpful. Because I never attacked his character. Again, admins making false accusations against lower users knowing the power they hold is very sketchy. It means that no attempts at moderation are being made. No inward looks as to what is being pointed out. Notice how the concern wasn’t with accusing multiple people of dogpiling, but accusing the accused of more things they had not done. If analysis of the handling of a situation is a “character attack”, maybe the analysis isn’t really the issue. Force Fire chose to get involved, thus Hikaru and Rahl went to them to ask what was up. So why is it a demerit to me that I didn’t go to anyone? And I’m the one allegedly attacking character? When Force Fire chewed me out after they blocked me when they construed my lack of opportunity as refusal to use the talk page? And now, you’ve shifted this discussion to me for providing proper argument?--KnightGalarie (talk) 19:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
...So that was an edit conflict. Yay.
So the multiple users who upheld the notion Meinshao isn't the same should also be discounted? Who you effectively went into an edit war with? I've told you Force Fire is upholding a stance that we've taken before, so he's not out of line in assuming it applies here as well, and honestly I would not call your first message on this thread or the first one below it "wondering"; it's rather openly aggressive, and forgive me for saying so.
To the core: as far as I know, it's not a strict policy. Emphasis on strict. Of course there are been cases that were looked at on an individual level. But in the case of Mienshao, there is no evidence anyone has brought up to give weight to one side or the other, so why would we claim they're the same? There is no inference possible, because there is nothing to reason that cannot be countered. You can say they must be the same because of absence of evidence saying they aren't, I can say they might not be because of absence of evidence say they are, and that's all that can be said: Schrodinger's cat. There have been cases where it has been the same pokemon that evolved, and we have the unfortunate case of one where it was not, and logically, we probably did assume these cases were the same before Lenora happened. Meaning Lenora is the example that can prevent us from assuming evolutions today, but it's not often that there's zero indication in-show of cases not being the same, so this case can fall under "not said, might not be true". Kai * the Arc Toraph 20:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if it is advantageous to put Lenora on the same level as Korrina because one was a one time challenge, while Korrina is a character that had a certain importance throughout the XY phase. Lenora's case is the same as we suppose that Flint has two Infernapes (this case is emblematic because it affects even the continuity of the character's plot). The case of Korrina, if they wanted to show her with a new Pokémon they would have shown her with a Pangoro or some other fighting Pokémon of the sixth Generation.

I understand the confirmation thing, really, but I agree when they said that to say that it is another Pokémon is as speculation as to say that it evolved (but to believe in the evolution is more plausible than to believe in a new Pokémon).

Ps:I know I said I was going to wait for the opinion, but I was wanting to put some new information on Korrina's participation in this week's episode.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Blocking pages from editing by non-admin users

Did you know that in MediaWiki 1.33 and newer versions, if $wgEnablePartialBlocks is true in LocalSettings.php, you can use partial blocks and make sure KnightGalarie cannot edit the pages Mienfoo, Korrina and JN025 by using the proper setting? Even if this function was available at Bulbapedia, was protection of these pages the only way to make sure other users don't revert your deletion of information that wouldn't result in a consensus? --C.Ezra.Msomething to say? 11:32, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

That function is not available on Bulbapedia. I protected the pages based on KnightGalarie's MO, that is to simply revert edits rather than just leaving it be and going to the talk page. Blocking other non-admins is just an unfortunate side-effect (if you want to put it that way).--ForceFire 12:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
For someone who tells people not to assume, you sure like to assume everything about me. You blocked me from using talk pages TWICE and ignored when I’ve used talk pages several other times. You have repeatedly lied about me, which is why I was able to successfully appeal a block you imposed. You are letting your personal grudges dictate how you act as an admin, and that is completely unacceptable--KnightGalarie (talk) 12:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Had I not protected those pages and just reverted your edits, would you have left the reversions alone and went to the talk page or would you have just reverted them?--ForceFire 12:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Have I not done so for Dodrio and Gyarados? You didn’t have consensus to change anything regarding Korrina's Mienshao but yet you kept reverting it. You’re holding me to a higher standard than you hold yourself--KnightGalarie (talk) 12:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Dodrio and Gyarados aren't the focus here. And you didn't really answer my question.--ForceFire 12:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Unique classes

Prior to Generation VII, it was easy to see which Trainer classes were unique. However, starting with Generation VII, Double Battle Trainer classes actually consist of two Trainers with their own classes in addition to their "combined" class. Do these Generation VII+ cases of unique Double Battle Trainer classes count we unique cases too, even though their members count as members of different Trainer classes? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thoughts? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
I've asked the other staff members, and a couple agree that they count as unique trainer classes. I personally think they would too.--ForceFire 12:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


You’re being hypocritical. First you claim we need proof to put something and now you’re saying we don’t. Which is it? Because it seems it’s whichever you decide on when you wake up in the morningPikablu (talk) 13:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I already said in the edit summary, what you're trying to imply is completely different. Lucario returned as a Lucario, we know Korrina has a Lucario from beforehand. Mienfoo did not return. Korrina did not have a Mienshao before. It was not said in the episode whether Mienfoo evolved. Yes, it would make sense if it did, but we can't say that it did without the verbal confirmation. Otherwise we would be speculating that Mienfoo evolved.--ForceFire 13:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
Rather than having this recurring discussion on one person's user page (where they'll be hammered with notifications), let's move it to Bulbapedia talk:Project Anime#Evolved Pokemon. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:31, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Articles for merging

Dear ForceFire,

There have been several anime articles which I believe should be merged together on the basis of duplicate information being present, difficulty differentiating the info enough and simply standardization. However the requirement for discussion between users seems prohibitive, given that little attention tends to be given to these discussions. Surely admins, who ultimately make such changes, would be able to get involved in these discussion more regularly to allow for movement.

When it came to the creation of the Misty Village page, the Mountain Lighthouse was also intended to be its own page before being added as a subsection on Misty Village's page. Since, more areas of interest subsections have been added to other anime location pages. As such there are several examples I feel are very much the same, though still require action:

I've forwarded the list to the Editorial Board, they will look at them and make a decision.--ForceFire 12:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Rillaboom's Biology Section - Please Add Info About Its Drumsticks

Could you please mention where Rillaboom keeps its drumsticks (on its page)? It appears that they are in the leaf-like fur near its hands (similar to how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm). We know this Pokémon carries its drum on its back, but if we don't mention where it keeps its drumsticks, it would feel incomplete. Macpika (talk) 21:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you check out my edits please

I really grateful for your help before. Please others just delete me and not giving me chance at all. Please and thank you - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talkcontribs)

Goh page change

Sorry about the assign part. And I'm trying to help, the page of Goh is getting a mess, I made a suggestion about changes and nobody answered anything. What should I do? Make it messy and move on?My intention was not to go over anyone, I just wanted to collaborate.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

I understand, but you still need to get some sort of consensus or approval first. Wait for other users and staff members to give their opinions.--ForceFire 12:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Eevee evolutions

Hi! I'm developing an API in Python, so I'm extrapolating data from Bulbapedia and meantime I'm contributing. I noticed that Tyrogue and Eevee evolution sections are empty, so I tried to fill them in the most correct way possible, but it wasn't accepted. Can I ask you why? Did you rejected my changes because they are wrong or something? Let me know ^^ - unsigned comment from Alessiocelentano (talkcontribs)

The template is already there as it is. I'm not sure what skin/browser you're using but it shows the template on my end. Your edit to the Nido articles also changed the evolution method from stone to level. Please don't make any changes that can be seen as vandalism. Thank you.--ForceFire 17:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for Nido articles, I wasn't going to mess up that section, Though I didn't change evolution method, I only changed it in another format that I've seen in the site for Stones(so are those wrong too?). But no problem for that. Regarding Eevee and Tyrogue, I didn't understand what's the problem, I see only evobox/1branch3 or something, nothing else, I only added more informations. Anyway, sorry if I created problems - unsigned comment from Alessiocelentano (talkcontribs)
You formatted it wrong and the template showed the level up method rather than the stone method. Preview your edits next time and you can see what your edit will look like. And there was nothing wrong with how it was. That formatting is exactly how it should be.
That's the template. You just have to input the name of the template, nothing else, and the template will show. It seems you are basing your "there's nothing there" reasoning from just the coding rather than what's actually on the page.--ForceFire 17:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


I'm beginning to suspect this user may be yet another sockpuppet of Kittystyler. Like other sock accounts, AnnBlain96 has been shifting photos around unnecessarily and talking about friendships in the articles for main characters' Pokémon, judging by their edit history. Do you think you could check it out? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Checked a couple of days ago brought no matches, but checking again today did. They've been dealt with.--ForceFire 06:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Possible vandal

It looks like Poke272 (talkcontribs) is messing around on the Ash's Hawlucha article. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

They seem to have stopped for now. If they continue, then they will be warned.--ForceFire 06:56, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

JN001 episode link?

Given that JN001 has been uploaded on an official YouTube channel, I've been wondering if its link could be added to the episode article, like it's been done with the Pokémon Origins and Generations episodes? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:16, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

A link to it in an external links section would be fine, like how it's done on the Generation episode articles.--ForceFire 13:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
My thought exactly. Added. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

"Copyright rule"

I've noticed you say that no copyright material should be included in origin sections even when qualified with "may be based off" etc., such as here or here, unless there's a source. Could you clarify what exactly that rule is, and why it exists? (And if it's an official rule, could staff actually write it down somewhere?) I believe for some origins, they're likely based off Ultraman characters etc., so I'm wondering if there's a legal reason or something for Bulbapedia not to say that (and basically resort to what may be the second-best explanation). Nescientist (talk) 10:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

TopHat - Regarding the "illegal streaming site"

Hey, TopHat here. Just a quick heads up considering you thought the link I put up was of an illegal streaming site: It is from Pokémon TV themselves, a fully legal by TPC-run streaming site for children to watch Pokémon episodes.

I understand you might've mistaken it for an illegal streaming website, however I can assure you that was not the case. Here are some arguments to showcase that it is from a legal source:

This website is run by The Pokémon Company International, providing official URLs even to their social media pages (including the official, verified, Pokémon YouTube channel. Not to mention that the episode I referred to, is legally available on the Dutch version of the site, but also on the English version meant for the UK: As you can see, episode 41 Meowth Rules is available to watch legally and for free. Once clicked on it, you would see the player page has a similar URL to the one I linked to, except for it having the British locale instead of the Dutch one.

TopHat (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, the "watch" at the beginning of the URL link threw me off, as most illegal stream sites tend to start with "watch". As for the trivia itself, while I still don't think it's notable for an English wiki (a Dutch wiki, sure), but I'll leave it.--ForceFire 12:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Understandable about the URL part. Though, I argue the trivia itself is very notable for including the word 'shit' on children television and it being a fact for the Pokémon anime history. Personally I would argue that even dub-related trivia (outside of English dubs as well) are noteworthy as long as they provide something that is not commonplace, such as using a vulgar word and rerun that episode uncensored for 20 years. That is quite remarkable. Anyhow, thank you for leaving it up. Much appreciated. TopHat (talk) 12:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


Hey! I've been trying to talk with Gian9456 (talkcontribs) about changing their signature, which has been faulty in the sense that it doesn't link to their userpage or talk page. The full discussion is here. At one point, Tiddlywinks explained what was going on with their signature and gave them directions to rectify it.

However, after Tiddlywinks' explanation, Gian9456 kept using their faulty signature and only responded twice, I tried to remind them of Tiddlywinks' explanation. But then, Gian9456 continued using the same signature. I don't want to remind them for the umpteenth time, so could you please step in? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

And he's still not signing properly. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
He's still not signing properly. Could you please intervene again? Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
He continues to leave behind improper signatures. This is starting to get frustrating. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The issue with Gian is being looked at, though it would appear the issue is more with the lack of timestamp, as everything else is fine (Just a link to your userpage is fine for a signature).--ForceFire 05:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


The user MrsPoopLover1493 and NRRCleo10500490 is vandalizing several pages of characters. I tried to fix some it reversed some of my changes.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 18:24, 06 August 2020 (UTC)

Why every time I added info people reject

Most of the times i added info that i noticed everyone deleted. Though when they added what they want its ok and it can stay. Why can't i be helpful too - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talkcontribs)

Because your grammar isn't good and point stuff that's already obvious or not really about the Pokemon's personality and just one specific moment they had. Animaltamer7 (talk) 02:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

My edit to Ice Beam (move) being reverted

Hello, I just wanted to clarify why you reverted my edit to that page. I changed it because the original wording was confusing, and I thought my wording was more clear. Was there a problem with my wording?

Loopsi (talk) 07:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The original wording was clear enough (aside from the two commas that I added).--ForceFire 09:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, the commas really clear it up, I'd say. Loopsi (talk) 10:11, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Another vandal alert

Hey! We've got another vandal: Ree (talkcontribs) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Notability requirements

So looking at the notability requirements, Clemont's Magnemite fits the requirements. Can User:Rahl/Clemont's Magnemite be mainspaced then?--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Besides XY137, what was the second time it was used again? AdilTalk page 08:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Derp! I was thinking about Goh's criteria. Yeah, Magnemite checks and can be mainspaced. AdilTalk page 08:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Is that something I can do or should an admin do it?--Reinhartmax (talk) 10:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
You can move the page yourself, if you like to, you've been given permission to do so.--ForceFire 12:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not able to move it myself since the name is already used for a redirect. Can you do it? Thanks. --Reinhartmax (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Done.--ForceFire 13:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

On the discussion of notability, why exactly does Spenser's Venusaur have a page while User:Rahl/Byron's Bastiodon doesn't?--Rahl (talk) 10:19, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Venusaur, like many of these old articles, were made before the notability requirements were set in stone and have just been forgotten. Does it excuse it? no. It probably wasn't even notable in the first place. It can go.
Bastiodon, on the other hand, is completely notable as it did have an impact in an episode.--ForceFire 13:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, what about these pages: User:Seabiscuit2020/Nanu's Persian, User:05308/Olivia's Lycanroc, User:BigDocFan/Hala's Hariyama, and User:BigDocFan/Hapu's Mudsdale I'm not sure if all of them are worthy of it but Lycanroc definitely seems to have enough.--Rahl (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the staff are reviewing the notability requirements and making some changes. Once these changes are put in place, I will look into those articles (and any other proposed article that I have rejected previously that may become notable with the new changes).--ForceFire 06:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Good to know. Thank you.--Rahl (talk) 00:53, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Japanese translations

I don't know if you're familiar with Japanese translations, but are you sure this is right? I'm having concerns about the edit's reliability. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there are any official translations of those songs, they're mostly just fan-translated to the be as accurate as possible. You're going to have to ask someone fluent in Japanese if they are indeed accurate.--ForceFire 06:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Poké Transfer

Could you please undo your edit? It should be perfectly fine and in accordance to the talk page policy to try to finish discussions that have never been finished and that are still relevant, even when they're 10 years old.

Also, your edit causes two problems:

  • My answer uses it as context (nobody's gonna know what "It" means when it comes out of nowhere)
  • It's about the same topic, so if there's a reference to that section/topic (there is), nobody will find the current status of that topic (which you put elsewhere).

Nescientist (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I believe this should be a no-brainer, and that it gets worse the longer it takes. Please react. Nescientist (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Just so you know, I am not ignoring you. I only responded to more pressing issues and was busy with other parts of the wiki (i.e. staff stuff). You're not the only user on this talk page that I didn't immediately respond to.
As for the talk page section, it's fine if it was just 4-5 years old, but a decade old? By that point, just make a new section. No one is going to pay attention to a section that is a decade old.--ForceFire 05:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
My question was if you would undo your edit that was not mandatory, altered my talk page contribution against my explicitly expressed intention, and has negative consequences, not what your opinion on my edit was. (And I did explain how people are going to pay attention, etc.) Nescientist (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
No. You could always make another comment under the new section explaining what you mean (with links to the previous discussion). Users aren't going to sift through what is essentially a wall of text to find your response to a decade old section, users are going to go straight to the bottom because that's generally where the newest comments are.--ForceFire 16:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Did you read what I wrote? People clicking on a link to that section will find themselves at that section and that section only, not anywhere else.
Paint the path out of this, anyone, I'm out of bridges to build. Nescientist (talk) 05:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
You and I know that because we know how the talk page works, an inexperienced user isn't going to know that.--ForceFire 05:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I'm talking about the link to that talk page section from near the end of this section, or similar cases that might or might not exist.
I don't understand what your point is, or how any user's experience or lack thereof would matter. Nescientist (talk) 05:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
You... can edit the link on that talk page to point to the new section... you are allowed to edit talk page comments if a link's destination gets changed...
I assumed you were talking about the Poke Transfer talk page, not your Project Trace talk page. The section is titled Talk:Poke Transfer, so if course I going to think you're only referring to that talk page. And your third comment is waaaaaay over the top and is just pure exaggeration. You can always change the link. The world isn't ending just because I moved your section to the bottom of the talk page. Just change the link. Simple.--ForceFire 06:14, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Of course I'm talking about the Poké Transfer page, there's no edit of yours on the project talk page that you even could undo.
I wouldn't know how my third comment was uncalled for, you just answered something that wasn't asked (again).. but anyway, I apologize if it hurt your feelings or something, that was not my intention.
I'm quite sure if it weren't my own comment, the talk page policy would specifically disallow editing that comment. But if you explicitly allow editing my own comment in this case (some days after I wrote it), and there's no other way we can resolve this, that's what I'll do. I still don't know if there are other links to that (still unresolved!) section, and/so I still think this was a really bad decision of yours, but I'm working hard on resolving this, so I'm fine with it. Nescientist (talk) 06:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
You can edit your own talk page comment if a link you posted gets their destination changed. That should be fine. You can edit someone else's comment for that same reason, if their link no longer links to its intended target (so not if they made a mistake and linked to an incorrect article). There are most likely nothing linking to the decade old section.
That was my way of saying your third comment was really just a long winded way of simply saying "the link on my subpage's talk page is now incorrect". You could've just said that and I would've told you that you are allowed to change the link.--ForceFire 07:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, but that's not what written policy says, it's contradicting it (on my reading): Please do not edit another user's discussion—even if it's full of spelling errors, and I see no exception for link changes. (Also, if a topic is split among different sections but was one section when being linked to by a commenter, only that commenter will know which of the split parts best represents the "intended" target. I or anyone else can only make a guess.)
It actually wasn't, I already said that in my first comment (although apparently not clear enough for you to understand). My third comment clarified that I believe this was a bad decision that shouldn't have been made, and that it defies my will (me being the original author of my comment), and asked you to reconsider (and/or actually answer). Nescientist (talk) 07:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Just because it's not on the policy, doesn't mean staff can't give out exceptions on a case by case basis. And in this case, it should be fine. Your first comment made no such mention of your Project talk page, so I assumed it was solely talking about the Poke Transfer talk page. "so if there's a reference to that section/topic (there is)" could've meant from within the Poke Transfer talk page.--ForceFire 08:24, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Heracross's gender difference

Heracross's gender difference has been shown and verified in the anime. Specifically in SM121, where a male and female Heracross are seen side by side. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

We've had this discussion before.--ForceFire 15:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
Ash's Heracross is a case of a specific Pokémon who was introduced before its species's gender differences were introduced. In this case, however, Goh's Heracross was introduced now, years after its gender differences were introduced and even portrayed in the anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't matter which series a pre-Gen IV Pokemon was introduced, they're still a species that was introduced before gender differences.--ForceFire 16:09, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I think the episode made the genre of Goh's Heracross explicit, even in the scene where Pinsir finally falls in love with him. But I don't know ...--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
You can use the excuse it doesn’t count until they showed the female form. Now that they have every Heracross introduced from Sinnoh onward should have their genders confirmed. Just because the species is pre-Sinnoh doesn’t mean gender differences shouldn’t count. Things get retconned all the time.--Pikablu (talk) 17:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The matter is currently being discussed among staff, and we are also reviewing the gender policy on the Speculation policy to ensure more clarity on how we handle situations like this.--ForceFire 18:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


So, the image of female Heracross isn't supposed to be there? Should I also remove such images on Pokemon like Venusaur, Hippopotas, Snover ect.?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 09:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't be like that. Just wait until the discussion among staff is complete.--ForceFire 12:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
It’s a valid question. If we’re removing legit information we should at the least be thorough about it.--Pikablu (talk) 13:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
No, it's called trying to be smart and completely disregarding the actual gender rule on the speculation policy.--ForceFire 07:05, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
What policy are you talking about? Are you having doubts that this Heracross is female?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Speculation policy.--ForceFire 13:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
For species with visual gender differences, inferences can only be made for Pokémon introduced in Generation IV or later. In these cases, the gender differences should be clear and noticeable. Pokémon with very minor differences (such as Toxicroak) should not be assigned a gender based on visual differences alone.

Does Heracross' classify as noticeable difference or not?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The paragraph below it is where Heracross falls under.--ForceFire 14:06, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
That doesn’t make sense. Goh’s Heracross showed up after DP001 and after the gender difference appeared. So if it meets every criteria why are we still hiding valid information?--Pikablu (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Pre-Generation IV Pokémon (owned by main characters or otherwise) introduced prior to DP001 cannot have their genders confirmed via visual gender differences, as they were introduced before gender difference mechanics. Instead, their opposite gendered variant (to their pre-Gen IV appearance) must make an appearance and must be acknowledged as a gendered counterpart. An appearance alone is not enough to grandfather a Pokémon in.

This one? But the female Heracross is the counterpart that proves Heracross' gender difference is acknowledged by the creators. Also, isn't this paragraph saying that we can't confirm gender of a particular individual that debuted before DP001 until the counterpart appears? Not that every Pokemon of that species have to be unknown.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 14:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

That's the part of the rule that the staff is discussing.--ForceFire 15:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I still really don't understand how is this related to the discussion. No matter what you will conclude from it, nothing can change the fact that this is a female variant, isn't it?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
You haven't answered for two days.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Just because you don't think it's relevant, doesn't mean it isn't. It's a staff discussion, what is and isn't relevant to our discussion is up to us.--ForceFire 13:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I haven't said that it is irrelevant. I know it is an important argument in confirmation of the genders of other Heracross. I'm asking why are you against stating that the Heracross with different horn is female.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 12:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
"I still really don't understand how is this related to the discussion."
I'm not "against" it, the subject is part of the ongoing discussion among staff. Anything related to the gender policy is getting discussed, including the female Heracross.--ForceFire 16:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
In what you quoted I meant that in this case the confimation depends solely on the physical gender difference, while discussed gender policy will decide how this case will be interpreted further on other cases. Until the discussion is finished, there is no reason to not follow present rules and put the image like on many others, and you are somehow against it.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Then there's been a misunderstanding on your end. Every instance of the word "discussion" I have used in this conversation is talking about the private staff discussion, not this section. When I say it's relevant to the discussion, I meant the staff discussion, not this conversation. Didn't think I needed to explain that, I made it clear that the staff were discussing it in my first response.
Don't act like you know what the discussion entails, you wouldn't know. The rule is being looked into, therefore anything regarding the female Heracross is also part of the ongoing discussion, because any changes to that rule will affect it.--ForceFire 17:36, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Don't worry, I was aware from the begining we're talking about private staff's discussion. I just don't understand why other Pokemon could be treated differently.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 19:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The policy has been updated, the image has been re-added. I should note that this does not count Ash's Heracross, as it is an individual that was introduced before DP001, thus it needs to appear again post SM121 in order for it to be considered male. Its appearance during the Sinnoh League does not count as the female form didn't appear at the time.--ForceFire 17:21, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

That's fine by me.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:40, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


Could you or another staff member please have a look and take some appropriate action, please? Nescientist (talk) 18:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't see the need to take action, they haven't made any edits since, so I'd just leave it be.--ForceFire 05:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)


On Bulbanews, when I went to sign in, it said that my account, Trooper777123, was banned upon creation. Why is this? Trooper777123 (talk) 19:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Doduo's gender

Doduo as Dodrio in DP033

Does this count as female Doduo? Doduo's neck is always black, and here it is beige as should be on female, but you may have doubts as it is costume that imitates Dodrio whose neck is normally beige. There is no other frame in this episode so it's all we have.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 15:39, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Since it was dressed up to appear as a Dodrio, I would say no, as it could be implied that its trainer painted its neck beige.--ForceFire 15:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


Tangimheng (talkcontribs) has kept doing multiple consecutive edits on pages, despite multiple reminders to use the preview button to avoid that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It seems they're continuing their old editing style, despite the forced preview. - unsigned comment from FinnishPokéFan92 (talkcontribs)
Looking at the timestamps of their most recent edits, they're more spaced out, so they're fine.--ForceFire 05:26, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Gender discussions

How does the gender policy stands on the episode "Island of the Giant Pokémon!" where in Japanese version for Pikachu, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Koffing and Ekans were used male pronouns?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:14, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I was wanting to clarify when gender pronouns were officially used for a Pokémon, does it have to be confirmed in both English and Japanese or just the English dub to be referred to as a "he" or "she" in plots and articles? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 22:07, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Team Rocket Grunt: Those would be implied, but not a full confirmation. We don't go by first person pronouns like "ore" or "watashi".
Pardescan: If stated by English dub only, it's only semi confirmed. It's only fully confirmed if the Japanese version states their gender, as it is a Japanese show.--ForceFire 05:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Can you add that to the gender policy? And what about "only dub confirmations"?--Rocket Grunt 08:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
"Dub only confirmations" may need ironing out (i.e. discussing among staff).--ForceFire 06:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi, could you ask me a question? What criteria does a character of the day have to have so that he can have an infobox? I saw that some characters have and others don't, and that is not usually put. What is the site's position on this?A character like I don't know ... Visquez, can she have an infobox?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 21:47, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Characters of the days never get infoboxes, and if an article on a cotd does, then it should be removed. Recurring characters can have infoboxes, however.--ForceFire 05:38, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


On my wiki on FANDOM ( Idea Wiki), I put a link to my talk page here (trying to teach someone about talk pages) and it showed up as my Staff Styling for my wiki! How did that happen? ~ Trooper777123 (talk) 18:54, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Only explanation I can think of is you placed the wrong link. Also, for your question above, I did ask other staff members about it but got no response. The only thing I could think of was that your IP address matched a block user over there. Furthermore, unless you plan on writing news articles over there, you don't really need an account on BulbaNews.--ForceFire 04:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
K thx for the reply. It may be because I used my FANDOM username here too. Is that possible? -Trooper777123 (talk) 18:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


Just dropping this here. Animaltamer7 (talk) 13:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I have alerted Adil on discord who has thankfully blocked this extremely rude member--BigDocFan (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah thank goodness. Animaltamer7 (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the two interpretations of "Coil"

On this topic, why would it be considered that both are equal targets? One is an English-Named move while the other is a Japanese-Named Pokémon. Considering this is an English wiki, it would be obvious that the move is the more common use no? CoolMan6001 (talk) 21:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I still get input on this? CoolMan6001 (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Thinking it over, that's a fair point. Feel free to re-instate your edits.--ForceFire 06:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh then uhh thanks. CoolMan6001 (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon that merge together

I was about to put a Merge template on the Z2 and Squishy pages to have them combined into a larger page titled "Zygarde (anime)", given that eventually form part of the Complete forme together. Would the admins consider this?

Also how about Ash's Melmetal, which was only formed when Meltan fused with the recurring Meltan in the anime?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 23:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I think asking on the talk pages of the respective articles would be better. I think Z2 and Squishy might have a stronger case to be kept separate, since Squishy appeared more and is, well I wouldn't say more important, just more of the focus. For Meltan, depends on what the contribution the other Meltan did other than evolving to Melmetal. Again, ask on their talk pages for more input.--ForceFire 06:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


Congratulations on the staff promotion! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!--ForceFire 06:47, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

How to post pokémon pictures

Hello Force Fire,

I have a request. Can you tell me how i can do to upload pictures on Archives ?

Have a good evening

Krookmonguy - unsigned comment from Krookmonguy (talkcontribs)

There should be an "upload media" link to the side of the site. You also have to be autoconfirmed on the archives to be able to upload images. The autoconfirmed requirements are the same as here, make a specific amount of edits and be a user for some time.--ForceFire 16:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Why'd you delete Swellow beating Donphan without using an attack?

It's true, all it did was catch its Rollout and send it flying. No moves were used. It's a perfectly legitimate and subjectively interesting tidbit that I'm sure people would like to see should they read the trivia section. I can't remember any other instance in the Anime where one Pokemon defeated another without using a move at least once. If a line can be there about Psychic doing damage where it almost always causes levitation instead, why not a line about a similarly rare occurrence? I understand you and Finnish removing some of my other edits, they all had good reasons behind their removal, but this had no such thing.

Adding moves

Someone can add on "List of Goh's Pokémon" the following moves on its Aerodactyl: Dragon Breath, Steel Wing and Rock Slide ? And add the pictures of the moves ?


Krookmonguy - unsigned comment from Krookmonguy (talkcontribs)

No. I protected it for a reason. The moves were not stated and they do not have a unique animation.--ForceFire 11:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

However, there is the moves on pokemon.fandom and they have the images.

When the moves will be add ?

Krookmonguy - unsigned comment from Krookmonguy (talkcontribs)

Once the admins have verified them. Have patience. PS. Please use the signature button to sign your comments. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:24, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Attack change-ups

Excuse me, Force. About the moves in the anime, do we have to wait for the right moment to be confirmed? Because we already know some attacks changed and some are still the same. If we were real characters there, we would really know what the attacks are.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 17:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Come again? Not sure what you are trying to say here.--ForceFire 06:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
If we were characters In the anime, we would know what the attacks could really be.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 19:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
But we are not. That is the truth. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I know that. Just a theory.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 22:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Still not sure what you're trying to say... what does that even have to do with anything?--ForceFire 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
You still don’t know? Just imagine if you write you own story about the anime, for example.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 09:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
And? That means nothing. We're not mind readers, we're not going to guess what the writers/animators intentions are in a given scene.--ForceFire 09:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
But we can try to be writers ourselves. Have you ever did a Fanfiction, by the way?--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 21:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
So basically what you're saying is to use inference to guess what moves were used?Animaltamer7 (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
If you mean similar to the travelers in the anime and one of them is a bystander, probably. - unsigned comment from CoolPokeGuy (talkcontribs)
I still have no clue what you are trying to say.--ForceFire 06:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
If you was with Ash and the others’ side during a wild Pokémon battle.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 06:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

About the Route Map

How do I add route map there's a map of a route but you see it in a region map not the full route map so how do I add the map like cause you can only see 3rd person but only in a little radius so please tell me I hope I didn't disturb you :)—- unsigned comment from GeomancyGarbodor (talkcontribs)

Color Templates

Hey! I'm new to Wikicode and am definitely still learning the ropes. When editing the colors of a usertag, it seems like I can only use the "main" shade of each color and not its light or dark variants (ex. can use Fairy color but not Fairy color light or Fairy color dark). Even when using the exact same formatting as any other color (plus testing multiple variations), whenever I try to use the light or dark version of a color, it shows up as transparent. [{User Template|This user loves|Café Soleil|coffee.|Spr 4d 417 f.png|Cynthia|Autumn|Autumn|Cynthia}] displays properly, but [{User Template|This user loves|Café Soleil|coffee.|Spr 4d 417 f.png|Cynthia|Autumn color light|Autumn light|Cynthia}] - and other variations, like "fab189", the color code - doesn't. How can I fix this? Thanks! - Preparefortrouble (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The "light" and "dark" are already coded into the template, you don't need to add the words. Note that only certain parts of the template will gain the color, in this case the border, text, and circle containing the image.--ForceFire 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Got it - thank you! - Preparefortrouble (talk) 23:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Official pronunciation of Kyogre

I have pronounced it as Key-ogre. I do not know if its Kai-ogre or Key-ogre. AwesomeNuzleaf43 (talk) 22:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Does this answer your question?¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 02:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
SnorlaxMonster has a pronunciation guide on their userspace that you can check out. Otherwise, Bulbapedia doesn't list pronunciation on articles do to their variety of how names are pronuonced.--ForceFire 05:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


Kittystyler is back as Lillieliver (talkcontribs). --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

How can you be sure it's the same person? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I've brought it up with the other staff members.--ForceFire 05:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Here's them admitting they're KS. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Anything yet, FF? I assume you saw my above post? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Yo-hoo? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, this never got any notice when I brought it up. I'm personally not sure if they are Kittystyler, as their "confession" didn't really come off as one. I've check their IP and they don't match the IP addresses KittyStyler used. I'll try bringing it up again.--ForceFire 10:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


So You know like staff of bulbapedia on their profile have like that info Like for example their gender,Where they're from when's their birthday etc. so is that type of thing only restricted to staff or can editors use the info thingie? - unsigned comment from GeomancyGarbodor (talkcontribs)

The usertags can be used by anyone, you can access a whole library of them here.--ForceFire 05:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)


Why are they separated? They're all consequences of it being a pokemon introduced in let's go. None of them are independent of each other (and, I gotta be frank, none of those notes are really that meaningful to begin with).KrytenKoro (talk) 21:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

So it doesn't look like a wall of text.--ForceFire 05:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Plagiarism from Spanish Pokémon wiki

So it has brought my attention by Ciencia Al Poder from the independent Spanish Pokémon wiki ( that someone has been plagiarizing some of the pages (Some of its form the edits I have done) from Bulbapdeia and here is proof from the person's word.

"Plagiarism is on the section called "Biografía", from <> (copied from <>) and <> (copied from <>) You can use google translator to translate the Bulbapedia page into Spanish, then compare both texts. There are almost equal except some minor wording differencies"

I wasn't sure which staff to ask on the matter, so I choose to inform you on the issue.--Jacob9594 (talk) 21:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

This has been brought up with the other staff members and are discussing it.--ForceFire 05:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
That is good to hear, thanks for letting me know.--Jacob9594 (talk) 05:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

adding pictures

Can I get the coding way to add pictures thanks

Reversion on Bennys page

What's with the complete reversion on Benny's page, the layout seemed inconsistent with other pages, plus the mention of "later in the episode" was removed PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:15, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

They have articles, there's no need to change the layout. The rewording wasn't necessary either, they were basically saying the same thing.--ForceFire 12:38, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

We've reached our monthly quota of new users

What is the quota for new users? Why not just stop new accounts from being created, rather than blocking people after they've made the account?ポッチャマ (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Did you notice how other newly created accounts aren't being blocked? Because that isn't the real reason; I saw Mudkip's edits before they were deleted; they were ALL vandalism. As for why he says it, I really don't know. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:13, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
It's one of the joke reasons we have for blocking users, and generally only gets used for very obvious vandals.--ForceFire 05:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Okay thanks for answering the question. By the way, Force Fire what do you mean by "Your shoe's untied"? According to urban dictionary it's a code used in public meaning "I want you", is that what you mean by it?ポッチャマ (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
That's also one of the joke reasons. I don't know its origins, as it was added before I was staff, I've always assumed it was literal.--ForceFire 06:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


Hey there, could you (or another admin) please rollback Akurochan's recent transfer edits? I've already given them a message, explaining how BulbaBot will do that (correctly). Nescientist (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Translation of Confusion/ねんりき as "mindpower"

Hi, could you clarify what you mean by "Because Psychic is literally Psychokinesis in Japanese"? サイコキネシス happens to mean the same thing as 念力. Is the issue that there shouldn't be two moves with the same translation? Grainassault (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

To avoid confusion by having two moves having the same translation.--ForceFire 10:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Questionable category

Eridanus (talkcontribs) has created a category called "Moves that require use of mouth" which seems more than questionable to me. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Appears to be MYstery Dungeon related.--ForceFire 10:06, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Detective Pikachu

Hello, I noticed you removed the error about Tim not recognising his Dad's voice, saying it's nitpicky. I think it's still an error as why didn't Tim say "hey you sound exactly like my Dad" and aren't all "errors/goofs" a bit nitpicky, the Greninja being hit by a psychic move and the "Aipoms" and "Greninjas" seems just as nitpicky to me as this error so what's the objective criteria for this one not being allowed but others being allowed?ポッチャマ (talk) 15:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

He didn't see his dad in years, right? People's voices change in that amount of time. Also he was a kid, so he might've forgotten what he sounded like. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Because characters not recognizing someone by their voice even though they are the same people in different bodies is nitpicking. And it's usually how it works with these kind of tropes anyways, it's not something to agonize over. As for the examples you brought up, those are notable as it contradicts aspects from the source material (Pokemon name having no "s" for plural, Dark being immune to Psychic).--ForceFire 17:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Reverting edit

Hey, can I know why are you always reverting my edits without providing any reasons or suggestion?--Rocket Grunt 14:37, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

They were unnecessary.--ForceFire 14:53, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
That's a weak argument.--Rocket Grunt 14:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I added only the information about the gold, but I din't see the reason why the fact about fears can't be added too. Rattled seems obviously to be activated by fears. It is the same type of certainty we use when guessing Pokemon's and its name origin.--Rocket Grunt 17:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
It's speculation. Heights is a common fear, yet Psychic is not weak to Flying.--ForceFire 17:36, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Rattled is confirmed to be activated by fears, "Dark-, Ghost-, and Bug-type moves scare the Pokémon and boost its Speed stat". There is no speculation saying these types match Psychic weaknesses. And having Flying one wouldn't be fear of heights, but rather fear of birds which isn't that common.--Rocket Grunt 11:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Again, that is assumption. Type articles don't have an "origin" section, so there's simply no place for those speculation unlike the origin sections of Pokemon articles (and those sections are also not written with certainty). The word "Flying" is vague, and is in no way only indicates birds.--ForceFire 12:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Totodile star

Just dropping this here. Animaltamer7 (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Given them a message.--ForceFire 15:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

What happened to the infoboxes?

On some of the articles, like Mina and Petrel, the infoboxes are ridiculously large and taking up a lot of article space, at least from my browser's perspective. What happened here? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm going through the same on some pages, I think it must be a server problem. I use Google Chrome, I don't know if the problem should be there either.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 00:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm using Google Chrome right now and the problem's there. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
The staff are well aware of the issue and are looking to get it fixed.--ForceFire 05:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for letting us know! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Reverting edits

ForceFire, please stop reverting my edits. I'm not saying that Carbink and Diancie ARE counterparts. I'm just saying they MAY be considered counterparts. I'm just giving facts on the trivia section. And even if the Biology section already states that Carbink is tied with other Pokémon for being the shortest Rock type, their's still no harm in saying it again in the Trivia section. For example, the Biology section on Cosmoem's page states that its one of the smallest Pokémon, and it's said again in the trivia section. And why did you revert the part where I said that Carbink and Diancie have the same category name? Many other pages have this characteristic.Eternium-Z (talk) 11:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

reply to May 2019 and April 2020 posts

re special:diff/2975012:

Please don't create articles on a whim

It was not a fanciful impulse that led me to create Film Review, but rather a grounded idea which I put thought into and had thought at the time it seemed appropriate.

Film Review is in no way notable

That's a magazine which had been consistently published since January 1951, by the time it had covered Pokemon it had been out half a century.

It's also not official source,

I don't think the wiki is limited to covering only official things, We All Live in a Pokémon World… is a fan site, for example?

it's just a film review from a film critic, it means nothing

Reviews are never meaningless, and when a magazine that's been publishing over two-score years asserts certain things (like surnames) it seems poignant to highlight that historical oddity. Even if we do not have any answer as to where they got the info, people could be made aware of the mystery.

Aside from this, I would also propose we could possibly make a Sight and Sound article. This is something published by the British Film Institute in 2001.

Page 44 of Volume 11

This magazine's even more notable, BFI's been publishing it since the 1930s.

re special:diff/3155778:

Those surnames are not the official surnames of those characters

I am thinking this was in response to my doing special:diff/3155761 ?

I think the intent in doing that redirect was to have a tidbit on his article to explain the magazines' use of that surname, but if that is too distracting a detail for the main page, maybe somewhere the "film surnames" could be explained as they were reported on solely in British tabloids?

That this never came to American tabloids might suggest they got some kind of different information sheet, I'm not sure.

I would go so far as to agree that we have not yet substantiated them as having an official source, because the the two British magazines who wrote about it in 2000 and 2001 did not list their sources. It's unclear where Associated British Cinemas and British Film Institute both derived the surnames they published for the roles.

My intent is that we can eventually compile enough research so as to highlight the use of these names in these two major magazines. I'm not sure how many thousands of copies were published (I don't think either was in the millions) so getting ahold of a copy to provide more direct evidence could be tricky, I still haven't entirely narrowed down which month it was published in either.

Hopefully if I can it will provide more detail as to who wrote a particular section so the claim can be more specifically credited to a certain reporter.

Reporters for these magazines were often old and are sadly passing away from old age (for example James Alvin Willis who wrote the 2003 Screen World review for Pokemon died in 2010) so it may not be possible to consult all of them. AFAIK the 2000 author Cameron-Wilson is still alive but lost his notes as to where he got the names. So finding the author of the 2001 piece (in case they might have intact notes) would be the next best step.

I don't have any plans to ask to add it to a main page (since you find it distracting) but if I can find more info can I run by the idea of having an article to overview?

Perhaps if 1 standalone article per magazine is too much we could simply have a "British magazines" article which has sections covering the different reviews that magazines in UK have given of Pokemon movies? Then I could list the page, who wrote it, and interesting aspects of the review, whether it's weird surnames never seen in the United States, or otherwise? ty (talk) 07:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

No. Just because some random, unrelated magazine spouted out random surnames does not make it official. You're looking too deep into "where they got the surnames from". It's pretty clear they just made them up. Nothing more, nothing less. End of discussion.--ForceFire 08:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


Hi. This user above for some reason keeps reverting my edislta without explaining why. Three times already [[6]], [[7]], [[8]]. And similar instances have happened before but these are the most recent. I would normally not report this but I feel this editor is not reverting in good faith. I remember like a couple years ago the editor getting in trouble for "pointless edits" and other things, so I am not sure if they are just reverting me in order to reach a number of edits before the year ends or something. Can you or any other admin look into this? RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 20:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits?

First, I would like to talk about the Carbink/Diancie thing. I didn't mind you reverting the mutation thing, since it wasn't really necessary and you had a point. But I didn't understand what you meant by "Carbink and Diancie are not counterparts no matter how fans see them.". Is there some sort of policy in Bulbapedia that decides what describes two or more Pokémon as counterparts? So I see that you're serious, so I won't be reverting those edits to Carbink and Diancie's pages anymore, since I don't want to be blocked again. However, can I at least still say that the two are very similar Pokémon? For example, Mew and Ditto's pages don't exactly recognize them as "counterparts", but they do recognize them as very similar Pokémon: Ditto/Mew shares several aspects with Mew/Ditto: the move Transform, the same Shiny blue and normal pink color, perfectly balanced base stats, and its weight of 8.8 lbs. (4.0 kg). So do you mind if I do something like this? I won't make an edit until I check with you. Now let's go to Kyogre and Groudon. Why did you revert those edits to their pages in the trivia section? Rayquaza's page states that it has many different aspects from the other members of its trio, so I figured why not Kyogre and Groudon? They actually do have some unique propreties (like Groudon is the only member that gains a new type in its alternate form, and Kyogre is the only member of its trio to be single type when Groudon is in Primal Form). Lastly, I'd like to talk to you about Necrozma and Calyrex. The reason why I added something about owning all three forms of Necrozma at the same time being impossible is because of Kyurem's page doing the same thing. And why did you revert that edit to Calyrex? The trivia section acts as if Calyrex emitting a blue aura when Dynamaxing instead of a purple aura is a completely normal thing, while it is not. Calyrex is the only Pokémon in the whole entire franchise to do this. Okay I hope I didn't annoy you to much by asking you to many questions. Have a nice day.Eternium-Z (talk) 09:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Diancie and Carbink being counterparts. We count counterparts as Pokémon with similar movesets, stats etc.. as according to the games and are unrelated by evolution. That's where "no matter how fans see them" comes from. It doesn't matter what fans theorize, they are not official. The Ditto/Mew trivia veers into speculation territory for me, so that can be removed.
Regarding Groudon and Kyogre. Both are not notable as it is only one out of two (as they automatically rule out Rayquaza).
For Necrozma, the information goes into the trivia, as that's where it goes. For both, you removed the typings of their forms.
For Vivilon and Alcremie, they have way too many forms to list in the opening paragraphs, that's why they don't list the forms.
For Ditto, it was unnecessary rewording.--ForceFire 10:18, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Counterparts have something opposing (counter-) to their relationship. Anywhere it appears in trivia it's pretty much always used for version exclusive pairs. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page?

Hey ForceFire, how are you doing? I came here to ask you something: why did you delete the page that I was working on (Pikachu family Pokémon)? After some time, I had to stop the page and I was just about to finish it before I found out that you deleted it. Did I do something wrong?Eternium-Z (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Fan groupings are not notable for the mainspace, the information you want can already be found here. Also, don't remove talk page comments, even your own.--ForceFire 16:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
I know that. I've already seen that part of the page before. However, it does not contain any information about their movesets, base stat comparison, appearances in the anime and manga , location in the games and unique traits (which would be in the trivia section). I would have directly done that in the page, but I didn't have enough time to do it. So do you mind if I work on it again? And okay, I won't remove talk page comments.Eternium-Z (talk) 11:46, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
No. An article for that grouping was already deemed not notable long ago. And there doesn't need an article comparing their stats/anime info/ game info etc.. those can be found in their respective articles.--ForceFire 11:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Okay. I understand. I'll ask no more about the creation of the article. No offense, but what you told me doesn't really make sense to me because some articles like the Eeveelutions and the Light trio have those characteristics.Eternium-Z (talk) 12:09, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Eeveelutions has been used in official material, so that gets an article. The legendary groups get articles because those are related to each other by their lore.--ForceFire 12:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
In layman's terms, you have to verify if these Pokémon groups are being acknowledged in official material, not just the fan community, before proceeding with an article on them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Possible Kittystyler sockpuppets

Hey! I think Kittystyler (talkcontribs) might have two more sockpuppets active: PP14 (talkcontribs) and Lillieliver (talkcontribs). Their writing styles are quite similar, with PP14 needlessly moving around photos and talking about relationships with Pokémon and Lillieliver admitting, following a question from FinnishPokéFan92, that they are indeed Kittystyler. Could you look into this and take care of it, if needs be? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

The former has been dealt with. As for the latter, neither their email or IP address match Kittystyler's. Their admission didn't come off as an admission and more of an attempt to get Finnish off their backs. I'll keep my eye out on them, though.--ForceFire 04:34, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

New template suggestion for Pokémon form availability

I want to suggest a new template for handling availability of Pokémon forms, but I do not know where it would be appropriate to do so. Basically, my suggestion would be to add separate Game location headers and entries for Pokémon with forms, like how Pokédex entries are currently displayed for forms. I believe this would more clearly show the availability of a specific form, and removing the need of adding notes like Galarian Form after each area/method of acquirement, which can quickly clutter up the cells of the location tables. --AmbientDinosaur (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


If you don't want me to do that, then explain to me why in the item section in the Psychic type page, there's the Mewnium Z? I didn't put that there.Eternium-Z (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Then remove it. Don't use it as an excuse to make bad edits.--ForceFire 14:21, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Charizard, Croconaw, Squirtle

I’m sorry i got rid of the note, but i didn’t see any proof of them being male in the dub in any episode. if you know which episodes and you add them or tell me please. --Feelitstill23 (talk) 06:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Feelitstill23

I'll give you Croconaw, but the other two did get their genders implied in the dub. Charizard already has its dub gender mentioned in the trivia section, while Squirtle's is mentioned in the trivia section of EP153.--ForceFire 06:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

That was Totodile. --Feelitstill23 (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)Feelitstill23

Ah, right. Got the two mixed up for some reason. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned once in the dub, but I don't remember... try asking around.--ForceFire 07:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Reynolds

Hello. I'm new here and I actually wanna request if it's alright to make a page here on Bulbapedia on Ryan Reynolds. I'm a big fan of him I got like a great picture for him if it's approved. If it's all right. NoobMaster96 (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, not sure. We don't really have any rules regarding live action cast. Might want to get another opinion.--ForceFire 07:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Any idea where I can get another opinion at? NoobMaster96 (talk) 06:22, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
You can try asking another staff member or on the Detective PIkachu talk page.--ForceFire 12:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Wonderful. Sorry for the late reply. Thanks! NoobMaster96 (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Japanese Voice Actors for gym leaders that are recurring characters

Hello. Does Yūko Miyamura (Whitney's anime Japanese voice actress) and Masaya Matsukaze (Morty's anime Japanese actor) qualify to have their own pages? Dark Nymphia (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Both are notable for articles.--ForceFire 05:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Could be the right source that confirms that Yumiko Kobayashi voiced Bugsy in Pokémon Masters

Hello. I went on Yumiko Kobayashi's IMDb and it says that she voiced Bugsy but it said she was uncredited. How did the person writing her IMDb profile know that she voiced Bugsy if she was not credited? I thought IMDb was an official website for actors credits. Dark Nymphia (talk) 03:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

IMDB is not a credible source as it can be edited by anyone, and anyone can add random bs to it. The only sites that can be considered credible are the voice actor's webstie or blog since they might put their resume on there.--ForceFire 05:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Goh's Greedent

I was wondering given its role in JN047 whether User:BigDocFan/Goh's Greedent might be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Morpeko too?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
I've put forth those two article to the other admins to consider.--ForceFire 07:32, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Both are fine to be mainspaced, though Morpeko shouldn't be considered Team Rocket's Pokemon until it continues to work with them on their behalf.--ForceFire 04:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Tried to mainspace the Morpeko page but got this warning. You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name--BigDocFan (talk) 11:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Page hasbeen moved.--ForceFire 12:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, ForceFire. o/ --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Hero duo

I was wondering if Hero duo and Hero duo (anime) were good to be mainspaced as well--BigDocFan (talk) 10:21, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Any chance of a response when you get a chance?--BigDocFan (talk) 14:17, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Form template

I think it'd be a high time for this template to be mainspaced. I first suggested it months ago, but nothing has happened yet. Could you talk with other admins about it? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


They're ignoring others' comments again. Animaltamer7 (talk) 12:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Honestly at this point, they will never listen to warning which may lead to a more permeant ban. I think most on here had had with Eternium Z's rebellious action.--Jacob9594 (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Goh's Eternatus

Is User:Reinhartmax/Goh's Eternatus ready for mainspace?--Reinhartmax (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Can I get an answer on this?--Reinhartmax (talk) 13:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Brought it up with the other staff mebmers for their consideration.--ForceFire 05:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Cool. Thank you.--Reinhartmax (talk) 13:40, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Any updates on this?--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Updating "List of wild Pokémon from in-game events"

Why did you revert Ben79487's addition to List of wild Pokémon from in-game events? It was part of the effort to standardize the tables in the article, as requested by Daniel Carrero --AmbientDinosaur (talk) 17:32, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I'm Ben79487. If you wanted to see the additions, I put them in my sandbox. Ben79487 19:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Actually, the edit was fine, since the rest of the page was like that and a staff member did approve of the change on the talk page. Probably should've checked that first.--ForceFire 06:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
It's OK, don't worry. Thanks for understanding. Ben79487 23:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I added my first ever page!

Shining Fates (TCG) It's a stub, and not much info about the set as the Pokemon Company just released the set name and leaked some products for the set. ~ Trooper777123 PokeKommander 15:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

While TCG is not my forte, that article was clearly not good enough. One sentence does not make an article, regardless of you slapping the stub tag on it. As mentioned, TCG is not my area, you are better contacting someone who is more knowledgeable about the subject.--ForceFire 15:50, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Ah ok. I asked u because ur the first person that I met here. As of the set, I am very knowledgeable on the TCG, and I will keep investigating Shining Fates to get some info. After I get enough info I will move it to Shining Fates (TCG) again. ~ Trooper777123 PokeKommander 15:57, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

please explain your revert on xy102

Hello My name is Aden Singh and I'm a regular viewer of the English dub of the anime. in XY102 Bonnie mispronounces Ariados's name. for how Ariados is consistently pronounced by TPCI voice actors both before and after, listen to dp001, dp020, DP071, DP091, DP140, XY055 and JN032 as well as Pokedex 3D pro, which is the official pronunciation guide for gens I through V. I'm not sure how things work down there where you are, but here, but as far as I know, we are supposed to go by official pronunciation as a comparison guide and how Bonnie pronounced Ariados in xy102 is vastly different than how TPCi has consistently pronounced Ariados in all other instances where it appears save for Angie in dp091, though she is an odd ball, omitting DP091, Ariados is consistanly pronounced like the words area dose in all other instances in TPCI's dub where the name is spoken. With this said, you must please explain why you view my edit as bad. thank you. Aden Singh (talk) 13:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

There is no' official pronunciation for Pokemon names, it's why we don't have them on articles. We don't do pronunciation trivia for this reason. And we don't have pronunciation on our articles to avoid edit wars between users fighting over the "correct" pronunciation.--ForceFire 15:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I never knew that. I always thought since we have pokedex 3D pro and a consistent way of Ariados has been pronounced throughout TPCI's dub, and how DP011 mentions Misdreavus's pronunciation I thought it'd be worth mentioning that there is an inconsistent pronunciation of Ariados in XY102. Some times bulba logic does not make sense to us non-staffies. Aden Singh (talk) 17:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

The inconsistencies is primarily the reason why we don't have pronunciations. Even if a Pokemon is pronounced consistently, it's still not considered official. User:SnorlaxMonster/Pronunciation is a userpage by another staff member, if you're interested.--ForceFire 04:39, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I will be sure to check that out. Sorry for the late reply, work and all that. Aden Singh (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Another Kittystyler sockpuppet

Hey! We have another blatant sockpuppet for Kittystyler: GM22 (talkcontribs). Take care of it? Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't share an IP address with any of Kittystyler's socks, but I will keep a close eye.--ForceFire 05:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo revision?

--Contye (talk) 07:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Bulbapedia is not a strategy guide. That kind of meta information is not appropriate for a wiki.--ForceFire 07:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

replied on spke cannon's talk page - unsigned comment from Contye (talkcontribs)

pokemon anime moves page

I am planning to have a list of instances where a move is used in the anime (currently main series) on my userspace, but I will need as much as help as possible. It will start by the latest episode aired in Japan, but I will need help creating the lists for all previous episodes. Do you think you can help? Reply when you can!Ctc1017 (talk) 04:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo my edit at Porygon-Z Trivia part?

You said that Roselia to Roserade is only evolving once. But hey, where is Budew? Isn't it in the Roselia evolutionary line? Budew evolves into Roselia through happiness, and Roselia evolves into Roserade using Shiny Stone. So it is possible to obtain Roserade at level 1. If I am wrong, please clarify it. Hope to hear from you soon. GrayCopper (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Pardon me, but the reason why is because you can't evolve budew twice to be at level 1 unlike Porygon, since it evolves via happiness first, needing to gain a level before becoming a Roselia to use a shiny stone, making that Roserade's lowest level being 2.Animaltamer7 (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
Exactly as Animaltamer7 explained.--ForceFire 13:58, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


I would like to apologize, if I have passed your authority over that discussion about the user RacieB and that question about "sources". I was only interested in helping, and I had no intention of disallowing you. I believe there was no need to be reprimanded by another admin, but whatever, I came here to apologize. This will not be repeated.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Annice Moriarty

I have seen that Kether Donohue and Annice Moriarty are in fact NOT one and the same. There is a reddit link that talks about it. The user says they met this person, and how the confusion is circulating. Smartorama (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

You should be fully aware that you need a source for your claims. That is not a valid source. That could just be African Vulture/Christian Woods trying to push their opinions on others. And you should know what a valid source is by now, the voice actors themselves. Ask them directly on social media or email (if they have any), don't just rely on second hand encounters that may or may not be real. And just because there is an Annice Moriarty, doesn't mean Donohue couldn't have used it as a pseudonym. She could very easily use the name as a pseudonym and not be aware that there is an actual Annice Moriarty.--ForceFire 04:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I am currently trying to contact Kether. I'm certain she will have her final say on whether they're separate.
P.S. I've looked at African Vulture (Ritaya Moriarty), I certainly believe her. There is a chance she is not a sockpuppet of Christian Woods. If you could discuss it further, I'm sure things will work out. --Smartorama (talk) 05:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
The staff was able to find evidence of the contrary, just so you know. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:01, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I am part of another redit discussion on the reliability of anime related websites and the claims of pseudonyms for VAs at where I bring this up. I have been looking at various pages such as as well as and a rather poorly written article at as well as da discussion at where another individual or possibly the same individual (I don't know for sure) claims to have met Annice Moriarty at a convention where she stated to him that she was on Pokemon. I'm not claiming these are valid sources, I question every single one of them too, but I am taking away from this that we need to re-examine unsourced pseudonym claims from time to time, even if we have every reason to believe them. IN that same discussion I brought up the Shannon Conley example from the Wilma page here.

I'm currently researching other such unsourced pseudonyms to try to bring them forward to this redit discussion. 

Regarding the Annice MOriarty issue, Kether Donohue does appear to have a twitter at though she has been inactive since January 2019, so I'm not sure if she checks it anymore. Note that while I do bring up this issue in the redit discussion I am part of, it is not the only one I mention. I am relatively new to the anime community but I do know that people do use pseudonyms for legal reasons. I just thought I'd give some insight into where I stand on this as I am part of a discussion regarding unsourced anime VA pseudonyms that involves this issue. Aden Singh (talk) 11:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I just sent out a tweet to Kether Donohue. so if she gets back then that will seal this. Again though she seams to not be active anymore but it is possible that I'm wrong. Aden Singh (talk) 11:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC) @force fire, explain yourself please. I don't think that Smartorama is saying that it isn't possible for Donohue to use this name, but they are saying that there is a redit post that claims to be somebody (named Xavier Sarkisian) that met Moriarty at an anime convention in 2017 and that he recognized her voice. The way you are making it sound is that Kether Donohue could have used the name Annice Moriarty unaware that there is another individual with that as their real name in some other occupation. Unless you are trying to say that Donohue could have used this pseudonym unaware that there is another new York based VA with an extremely similar voice with that name that has worked on some of the same shows. If I were to take the Xavier Sarkisian post at face value, it'd make me question your claims of coincidence. to be clear, I'm not saying that the Xavier Sarkisian redit post is valid, but I think that you may have misunderstood what Smartorama meant by what they said or else maybe I'm misunderstanding your response to Smartorama. Again I'm waiting to hear back from Kether to seal this in stone, but because there is conflict on whether Annice Moriarty is Kether Donohue and there is no reliable source linking the two, is it not safer to assume that they are different people until we can confirm a link between the two? In my redit discussion, people in the comments say they identified many VA pseudonyms based on voice alone. Could this be another instance of that? I don't know. There is a youtube channel named Kether Ketchup that has supposedly Kether's VA roles (, though we don't know if this is a channel created by Kether herself or else a fan-made channel that simply put together clips based on Donohue's IMDB, ANN or BTVA pages. I haven't seen any of the Christian Woods or African Vulture stuff you mention, perhaps if you linked us to that Smartorama and myself can look into it and better gage the credibility of those users' claims. It is important to keep in mind that even if we deem Christian Woods or African Vulture as noncredible, that does not take away the issue of this pseudonym verification. We have admissions on that redit discussion I posted at that they played by ear.

and I quote, from the post, user Quiddity131:  "We members of the fandom were able to pick up on a ton of it because we would watch so many anime and hear the same actors/actresses in a bunch of shows and easily figure out who they were. As someone mentioned, Steven Blum being credited as David Lucas was an easy one. His voice is extremely well known, so him doing it under another name does little to no good because anyone whose seen him in even a few things could easily figure out it was really him. Some actors used extremely obvious fake names, like Barry Stilger (RIP) used Gil Starberry as a pseudonym, which was just mixing up the letters from his name (he also had a really distinct and easy to notice voice). While others would hide it a bit better. Ex. Bridget Hoffman going as Ruby Marlowe, Brienne Sidall going as Ian Hawk, etc..."

Given this knowledge, it only causes me to question the validity of the Annice Moriarty is a pseudonym of Kether Donohue claims even more, because, as Quiddity131 on redit said, they essentially played by ear when trying to ID pseudonyms. Again though, I need to see what Christian Woods and African Vulture posts say so I can gage their individual validity. most importantly, I need to hear back from Kether. I also encourage you and other Bulbapedia staff to tweet to Kether to confirm it yourselves assuming she still checks her twitter. thanks. Aden Singh (talk) 13:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Playing by ear is literally the worse way to identify voice actors. Other voice actors may be able to produce a similar sound to another, impersonation is a thing. I'm not going to bother with the wall of text and sum it up with: The only way to get a source is to ask the voice actors directly via social media or email. Not by playing by ear. Not by credits. And not by a user who claims they have met a voice actor without actual proof.--ForceFire 13:35, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Well then you and I are in absolute agreement, aren't we? that's exactly what I'm saying i nthat "wall of text." Aden Singh (talk) 13:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Also heads-up, I am indeed going to be going around this website finding unsourced VA credits and other such things and either remove them or else question them on talk pages, I may bring some (not all) of them up to you. I'm doing this because websites (including this lovely one) need major fixing up, and hopefully then it will lead to better info presented here. If you choose to undo my work then I will question you on the reasons for it, because my goal here is to have as much accurate non-speculative information here as possible. As a staff member, I hold you in high regard but I will not hesitate to question you too if I feel your reversions are misguided.

Finally, I suggest you make time to read this "wall of text." you speak of, because you may find it more helpful than your dismissive "wall of text" tone implies. Aden Singh (talk) 13:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

If you want to try to make this site better and more accurate, you can do so. Just do it properly. That is, get a source (which I have already explained). Don't just go around removing everything indiscriminately. It will fall under vandalism. And I have said to many other users before that, sure our VA info for 4kids era VA may all be incorrect, users shouldn't just go removing them because they are incorrect. They should still try to verify a source, even if contacting a 4kids era VA is virtually impossible.--ForceFire 14:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

That is exactly what I did for Jenny (M08). I couldn't find anything claiming that Goldish voiced her. Goldish doesn't have twitter either. Aden Singh (talk) 14:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

help please

Hello force fire, it's Aden. How do I source a voice actor credit? I found on IMDB that Officer Jenny is voiced by Emily Genness from BW006 to BW102. I can link you to the IMDB full cast pages but I'm not sure if that is a reliable enough source for Bulbapedia. I also have an IMDB cast list that shows Genness voicing Officer Jenny in Journeys, it's at I hope this helps you guys, but if it isn't reliable then please forgive me, I still have much to learn. I don't play the games and never have but I may start soon so hopefully I can gain knowledge from them to share on Bulbapedia in the future. Aden Singh (talk) 08:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Only VA confirmation is allowed from what I remember. Everything else, like IMDB, is unreliable. I believe Force Fire's already made that point about a dozen times, though. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:13, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Signature Move

How can we say that legendary group can share a signature move, but a group of regular Pokemon can't. Are even signature move that well defined by official media?--Rocket Grunt 13:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

There is no official definition of a signature move, the opening line of the article is our definition of a signature, and it only includes individuals, evolutionary relatives, and/or legendary groupings.--ForceFire 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Well, it was defined before addition of Arcto/Draco-Zolt/Vish group, so no one thought about such case. I think the stuff should talk about it and decide of they want or not add them.--Rocket Grunt 13:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Cram-o-matic information on item pages

I'd like to discuss the way Bulbapedia will represent the type and value of the item when inserted into the Cram-o-matic (on item pages).

As I have seen on the Air Balloon page, this edit added the Cram-o-matic table that lists the type and value. However, I'd like this to be represented in the item infobox. I made this template for such a purpose, which even has an example use, with Fire Memory. When I mean [...] we need to find a way to make it continuous with Template:ItemInfobox/Fling, then I mean the Fling template has to be adjusted so the lower corner rounding can be disabled if needed, by the use of a parameter and the {‍{#if:test string|value if not empty|value if empty}} parser function.

Is my idea good? I will also discuss it with some other staff members. --C.Ezra.Msomething to say? 19:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)


Apikachu68 (talkcontribs) is focusing solely on adding errors to episode articles. Moreover, most errors they add are extremely minor and are badly written. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, most of the errors they've added are either not errors at all or way too specific. I do have my suspicions, but I'll give them a warning.--ForceFire 05:20, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Finally offering up a reply ....

I read your message and the comment made with the reversion months earlier. The conversation was not going to go anywhere, as it was apparent from the beginning what you had thought. Look at the discussion regarding the deletion of the Crystal Onix page, you just keep restating the point and will not consider anything else, let alone the alternative measures suggested in regards to that matter. And you would approach this case exactly the same, much to my frustration.

I immediately went somewhere else, and higher up, to get their opinion, not to force change, but to feel resolved about it. I sighted a consistency issue, hence why I acted in good faith thinking "I'm just bringing this page up to scratch", as I've not seen that particular structure on a page, especially a one-time character. The particular user I went to is both knowledgeable and generally consults the other admins in regards to such changes, adding weight to any final decision. That is an approach I find to be far more cohesive and less like a ton of bricks.

You are great when I need someone to review a new page, ask about finding something and policy in general. However, there have been issues I've brought to your attention in the past and yet it wasn't addressed properly, and the issue was prolonged because no one intervened, fully aware of the conduct that was happening and how wrong it was. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 21:17, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

I had already explained clearly why your suggestions aren't good ones, and I have tried to summarize it in one sentence, yet you still have a hard time uderstanding it. For Cyrstal Onix, I had already explained it clearly. It is not a recurring character, so it does not fall under the recurring character rule. It falls under the Pokemon of the day rule because that's what it is and that's why it's notable. Not that hard to understand.
As for Benny, again, I've already explained clearly why that is not how we do things. The Pokemon only gets the larger box if there is no article on the Pokemon and there is no where the information can go. Wobbuffet and Lickitung have articles, so that do not need the larger boxes. That should be very clear with how we do things. As for the wording, again, there is no consistency issues. Not every character article needs to be worded the same. Not that hard to understand.
"To feel resolved about it" is exactly what I meant by "trying to get the answer you want". And you do this any time someone objects your suggestions, you just go to the next user in the hopes that you get what you want. You need to learn to let things go when your ideas get rejected by a majority of users (not just me).--ForceFire 04:54, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Switch game Pokémon sprites

Why don't we have the sprites for the Pokémon from the Switch games like Let's Go and Sword/Shield? PKMN Trainer Ryan (talk) 06:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

We do], they just haven't been implemented into the templates yet, as there are plans to upgrade the template.--ForceFire 06:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for telling me.PKMN Trainer Ryan (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

User template edit?

A couple days ago, I uploaded a headshot of Gonzap from Pokémon XD. So I was wondering if {{User Team Snagem}} should be updated with the new headshot, or if the currently used Colosseum headshot should be kept. What's your opinion? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I can make it so it's on a switch, so users can choose which headshot they prefer.--ForceFire 10:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Best of both worlds. What about the templates currently in use? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:21, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I've updated the template and made colo the default so it doesn't break the on the userpages that already uses it. New parameter is "img=colo/XD".--ForceFire 06:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Yup. Just saw. Thanks! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
PS. Should there be a notice on the template page that it has two variants? It's not visible on the outside. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

I just uploaded a new version of "Ash AG hat.png", which is used as a default image for {{User Anime}}. Could you change the image to something more appropriate? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Surprised the logo wasn't just used as the default image.--ForceFire 10:28, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Professor Oak's age.

Where was Oak's (game) age ever stated? Ultra Ray (talk) 11:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Rowan is 60, and Oak is ten years his junior. The games mention this.--ForceFire 12:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Redlinked Topics


Thanks for the clarification on my User Talk page. However, how should we notify admins that a redlinked page is in error? On the "Wanted Pages" list, there are many pages "requested" that are only on that list because somewhere, in some page, somebody entered a name incorrectly or duplicated a link description. I couldn't find anything in the Bulbapedia MoS, Editor's Hub, or Editor's Hub Talk page. TwilightHylian (talk) 15:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page.--ForceFire 15:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Vandal alert

Hey! Just wanted to let you know that we have a vandal here: Mpadi0139 (talkcontribs). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I've given them a message.--ForceFire 04:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Kittystyler sockpuppet alert

Hey! We have yet another sockpuppet of Kittystyler's: SPfan (talkcontribs). Just compare the new user's edits ([9] [10]) with the edits of another sockpuppet ([11] [12]). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:35, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 04:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! :D GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

How to go about discussion/talk page?

My question was precisely how to do the talk page... Do I just do similar to what I'm doing now? - unsigned comment from Nicbentulan (talkcontribs)

Yes. Just go to the talk page you want to start the discussion on and create a section.--ForceFire 16:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Ponkypoke's template edits

Many of Ponkypoke's template edits in early November have only made the edited templates worse. I've already brought up how {{Moveanime}} now leaves a huge gap between the leftmost and the second-leftmost images (like can be seen here, for example) with other admins, and {{TrainerPoké}} now completely ignores the "width" function, making many of those templates unnecessarily wide. Could something please be done about these? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:44, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Yet another Kittystyler sockpuppet

Hey! I believe we have another sockpuppet of Kittystyler's: JN1996 (talkcontribs). Take care of it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Already have.--ForceFire 09:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 10:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Type relations

You really shouldn't delete all type relations just because I added few more. They were there for years and now you suddendly decided by yourself to delete them? Also, how can they not belong on these pages? For example, if the Ground type has a special relation with the move Thunder Wave, then this relation have to be mentioned on both pages.--Rocket Grunt 21:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Template edit?

{{PrevNext}} has thinner boarders than {{EpicodePrevNext}}. Should they be changed to be thicker to match? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 07:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Gym Leader Koga

So about my edit that was undone because "This wording avoids repetition". I guess you mean that using word "Gym" two times in one sentence is too much, but every other Gym Leader's page uses three words "Gym" in that sentence. (let's take Janine for example): Janine is the Gym Leader of Fuchsia City's Gym, known officially as the Fuchsia Gym. I checked every page before editing and all of them followed that standard. I didn't add "known officially as the Fuchsia Gym" because I didn't feel it was that important to put on now-E4-member's page. Still could've added it, he was a GL after all. If you feel like it's repetition, should "standard" be changed? Itan (talk) 15:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


I want to make an artcle on Architecture in the Pokemon world. I can see parallels to the real world. It can cover small monuments, manisons also. Maybe it could be "Art and arichitecture in..." . Cities are covered in an existing list article. What would be your opinions ? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 16:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's really notable, you can try and make one in the userspace.--ForceFire 16:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Hikaru Wazana/Vermilion City School

Hi, I made a page about the Vermilion City school where Goh and Chloe go to school. I even put information about some recurring characters in it (which can concentrate all the relevant information on the subject in a single page). I would like to know if she has any chance of going to mainspace. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 02:00, 09 January 2020 (UTC)

I think that article is good to go, feel free to mainspace when you get the chance.--ForceFire 04:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks. o/ --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:24, 09 January 2020 (UTC)

Usefulness of templates for characters with surnames

In the list of templates, the summary explains that they're used to shorten the length of links. However, there are templates for characters like Ash, Tracey or Steven, where the only difference between putting them between {{s or putting them between [[s is the lack of a (redirected from character name) message at the top of the page. Is that why those templates exist? If so, why isn't it mentioned in the list of templates' lede? Since, you know, it seems to contradict the apparent reason why templates exist due to not making the links shorter. Andre1070 (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

{{Ash}} links directly to Ash Ketchum, whereas [[Ash]] links to a redirect that leads to Ash Ketchum. The "making links shorter" explanation, in this instance, is more referring to the convenience of linking their articles with just their first names rather than typing the names in full. Sure, the redirect exists, but we prefer users to not link to redirects and use the more direct templates.--ForceFire 14:26, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
I see. That's what I figured. Thank you. Perhaps something about that could be added to the explanation in the page? Andre1070 (talk) 14:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


We have a new title for JN055, The Tale of You and Me in Luminous Maze Forest from Serebii. I'm no good with creating new pages so wondered if you could create it. Set to air February 12th--BigDocFan (talk) 09:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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