User talk:Ultra Ray

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GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:24, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please do not continually revert other users, it falls under edit warring and is a blockable offense. If you've asked someone why they've reverted you, you should wait for their response rather than revert their edits anyway, as that shows impatience. Manga is not my area, but Ataro must have a reason for reverting you, so wait for his response rather than continually reverting anyone that undoes your edit. Thank you.--Force Fire 16:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Excessive editing

You've been editing your post at Ataro's talk page for numerous times in a very short span of time.

1) You're not supposed to edit posted talk page posts, unless if it's to correct a typo or alike.

2) If you want to add something to a post you've already made, do not edit the earlier post but make a new one.

3) Most importantly, use the preview button. That way, you'll avoid making mistakes that need fixing.

Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 01:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Timeline for Pokémon Adventures

Hello! I was wondering what your source was for the time between the Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire and Diamond & Pearl chapters being at most two years. ^ht 14 04:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Dia and Pearl watched the comedy show live 8 years before the Diamond & Pearl chapter, when they were 4. In the Mt. Silver training chapter (which is immediately after the Gold, Silver & Crystal chapter), the exact same show is on TV, meaning DP is at most 8 years later. GSC is 3 years after the Red, Green & Blue chapter, so DP is at most 11 years after RGB. The Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire chapter is set 9 years after RGB. Ultra Ray (talk) 12:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia

Hi! You removed this line from Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia.

The introduction states that Pokémon Red and Green take place in 1996, the same year the games were released.

I will be adding it back in, as it is listed on page 8 within the book's introduction. (Here is a link to a video that translated the text too, if you can't read Japanese). ^Maverick _Nate 14:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

That's misinformation, I checked the Japanese book (https://archive.org/details/pocket-monsters-encyclopedia-96) and it says 150 Pokémon haver been registered as of 1996, not that the games take place in 1996. Ultra Ray (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

An argument can be made that these 150 Pokemon were discovered by the player for Professor Oak. Moltres's entry says that there's uncertainty if it even exists, but later in Bill's lecture he claims to own one. Also, at the very end of this lecture the 151st Pokemon gets discovered, which is probably Mew that also gets to be discovered in the games (by Oak's team at least, Fuji knew about it before, but it was a secret, Mewtwo is said to be an urban legend).--Rocket Grunt 18:26, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think you can edit pages claiming it's a speculation without resolving this issue.--Rocket Grunt 14:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

It literally is speculation, what's left to resolve? By the way, an argument can be made that Looker's codename during his backstory with Anabel means that the gap between generations II/IV and V is no more than 6 years. Anyway, Bulbapedia's character profiles should stick to the facts. Ultra Ray (talk) 15:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Why do you think the player collects Pokemon for Pokedex if Professor Oak have data for all Pokemon already? In case for Looker, he could just not use his codename with Sinnoh player. Secret agents can use different names for different mission to not get exposed.--Rocket Grunt 15:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

To collect data on the already discovered Pokémon, which fits with the mechanics of getting a National Pokédex (and with the lack of it). Again, character profiles should stick to the facts. Ultra Ray (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

When the player has 150 Pokemon in their Pokedex, Professor Oak says "Your Pokédex is entirely complete Congratulations!". In the book, 151st Pokemon is being discovered. That means the games can't be happening after 1996.--Rocket Grunt 22:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Professors still say your Pokédex is complete without mythicals in the later generations, and the Bill part of that lecture clearly breaks the fourth wall. Ultra Ray (talk) 10:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Later generations don't claim exactly how many Pokemon are discovered and the part about Bill is your speculation.--Rocket Grunt 10:57, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

No, it isn't, Bill in the same lecture mentions some Pokémon being exclusive to the Red game and others being exclusive to the Green game. Ultra Ray (talk) 13:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Bill is an in-universe character and the Pokemon discovery happened in-universe. Also, Pinsir and Electabuzz's entries explain version exlusive Pokemon as affinity to green and red colors.--Rocket Grunt 13:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Bill literally says "you can only choose one from Bulbasaur, Squirtle or Charmander in the beginning, and you can only get them in trades except what you choose. Also, in the Red Version and the Green Version, the Pokémon that appear are a bit different, so trade is indispensable." (特に最初に登場するフシギソウ、ゼニガメ、ヒトカゲなんかはどれかひとつしか選べなくて、自分が選んだもの以外は交換でしか手に入りません。また、レッドバージョンとグリーンバージョンでは、登場するポケモンがちょっと違うので、そのためにも「交換」が欠かせないわけです。). This is clearly not in-universe. Ultra Ray (talk) 14:35, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Trading exists in-universe and you can't get other starters in the games through other means.--Rocket Grunt 15:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Choosing between Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charmander in the games is not a thing for trainers in general, only for the player character. I mentioned that to show Bill talking to us (the players), not an in-universe audience. Most importantly, he literally mentions the game's different versions. Ultra Ray (talk) 16:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

This is the only way to get different starters so it's part of the canon that there are multiple choices of starters happening in different universes which are connected through trading. The red and green distinction is incorporated to the in-universe lore through Pokemon's preference described in entries of Electabuzz and Pinsir. You can think of it like butterfly effect that thinking about red made you choose path where you only meet Electabuzz.--Rocket Grunt 16:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

That's literally speculation. You're free to think that, but please don't put it in character profiles. A lot of people blindly trust this site. Ultra Ray (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

It's the logical interpretation of the facts. You are straight up denying an information from the official book.--Rocket Grunt 17:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Gold, Silver, and Crystal's ages

Hi, I saw that you were the one who added Gold, Silver, and Crystal's ages in the ORAS arc, and I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that they're all 17. According to PokéSPedia's timeline, these three are 13 in FRLG, which is three years before HGSS. Gold and Silver are also 13 in the Emerald arc, though Crystal is 14 because her birthday has now passed. So, FRLG and Emerald both take place in the year that Gold, Silver, and Crystal turn 14.

Meanwhile, the Salamence incident was nine years before ORAS and five years before RS. Emerald is one year after RS, meaning that Emerald → ORAS is three years. So, HGSS and ORAS both take place in the same year—the year that Gold, Silver, and Crystal turn 17. However, since ORAS takes place during winter (January-March), and HGSS comes before it, HGSS must also take place during winter. That means they're all 16, as none of them have hit their 17th birthday. Do you agree with that conclusion, or is there a flaw in my logic somewhere? Storm Aurora (talk) 18:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

ORAS takes place in the Winter that begins in December of the same year as HGSS and ends in February/March of the following year. This means Crystal and Gold were definitely 17, but Silver might still have been 16. Ultra Ray (talk) 12:31, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

ORAS takes place over ten days; we know that because of the meteorite countdown. How could it last from December-February/March? Also, Silver's birthday is December 24th; if you assume that it starts at the very beginning of winter, then it would last from December 21st-31st. Silver's birthday would have passed during that timeframe. If that was Silver's 17th birthday, then it would be like 4 and a half years since RS...which I guess you could still call 4 years after RS. In that case, they should all have 16-17 as their age in ORAS, since the arc could be in February/March (before any of them have turned 17) or December (after Gold and Crystal have turned 17, and Silver's birthday occurs during the arc). Storm Aurora (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I didn't mean that ORAS takes place from December to February/March, I meant that it takes place sometime in Winter, and Winter begins in December and ends in February/March. Silver was 16 or 17 or both, so I put his age as "16-17". Ultra Ray (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2023 (UTC):

My bad, I misunderstood what you were saying. After mapping out all the years and ages, I think I get where the confusion is here. I've been operating under the assumption that the Salamence incident happened 9 calendar years prior to ORAS, so ORAS couldn't take place during the winter that Silver turns 17 because that would put it 10 years after the Salamence incident. But noting that the Salamence incident happens towards the end of the year (since it happens after Red has become Champion), the length of time between the incident and the winter that Silver turns 17 would be about 9 years. If it's true that Ruby and Sapphire are 15 and Emerald is 14 in ORAS, then this second interpretation would be correct.

However, looking at the history of Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald's pages, their ages in ORAS were added by a user in June 2015, which was before we had confirmation that ORAS took place during winter. That user didn't cite a source, and they put Sapphire's age at 14, which makes me think that they just added 3 to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald's ages as of Emerald arc rather than finding some official source stating their ages. So, my new question is: is there an official source giving Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald's age in the ORAS arc? Or are those ages just ancient conjecture? Storm Aurora (talk) 22:15, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Their PokéSPedia profiles give their ages (15, 15 and 14). The profiles of Red, Green, Gold, Silver and Crystal only give their ages up to Emerald and HGSS, but their ORAS ages can be calculated from the manga itself. Ultra Ray (talk) 02:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha! I'll add notes about those to their pages, then, so other people don't run into the same confusion I did. Storm Aurora (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2023 (UTC)