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Card images

I added images to the following, and I wanted to make sure you took them off the list:

Thanks MoldyOrange 15:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Shiningpikablu252 16:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I slipped Morty's Misdreavus in there before the last update and Weezing now has an image. MoldyOrange 03:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Card Translations

Hiya, I want to make an article on the promotional Heatran card released in Japan, but I can't find a translation of it anywhere, not even PokéGym. Any idea who'd be able to accurately translate it for me? Cheers much, Cipher 18:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't. I would recommend Nuva-kal, who did Vending Machine cards translations for us, but there's no guarantee if and when Nuva-kal will show up again...--Shiningpikablu252 20:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I tried to e-mail Nuva-kal when we needed that second attack on Bugsy's Butterfree translated, but he never responded. I would like him to come back though, because I have scans of some "T" Promotional cards and "P" Promotional cards that I would like pages for. MoldyOrange 21:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Intense Fight name

Another issue we have is the Intense Fight name conflict you told me about earlier today - apparently, Sunain discussed the name change with Zhen Lin and Tsskiller - are they even affiliated with the TCG section? Regardless, read the argument here. I think I'm gonna need your and TTE's help with this, 'cos I can't see where she's coming from, yet she's adamant she's right. Cipher 18:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The kanji can be translated multiple ways. For all we know, what Sunain is defending could be just as correct as what Pokébeach is using. My take on the translations:
  • "Intense Fight" and "Fierce Fighting" could be taken as synonymous.
  • Likewise for "Destroyed Sky" and "Broken Space".
Besides, Pokébeach can't be blatantly wrong every time, like they were with "Moon Hunting" and "Night Dashing".
Conclusion: Sunain shouldn't be b*tching about a translation that cannot be considered outright wrong, no matter how much the source has f*cked up translations in the past. --Shiningpikablu252 20:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, Bangiras translated the IFDS name, so I personally have absolutely no reason to doubt that. The only real issue there's been has been "Night Dashing" <--> "Dawn Dash", which was obviously completely wrong. I think that's what Sunain is basing her argument on, which really is nothing at all.
Another note in regards to IFDS - I understand that WPM isn't happy with Bulbapedia using the information on its page from PokéBeach without citing it as a resource/reference, so perhaps it'd be an idea to somehow credit the site, such as a link to its IFDS page at the bottom of the article? Cipher 20:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
IFDS page and two news stories cited. If that's not enough for WPM, then someone should get a full list of what should and report to me. --Shiningpikablu252 20:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for sorting that out - I appreciate it a lot. As far as the IFDS page and expansions infobox go, it doesn't matter that it's an inconvenience, just as long as there aren't any more silly edit wars. Cipher 21:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleting talk pages

Don't do it. Also, I have been hearing complaints that you have been too harsh in punishing users; while it is true that we don't have hard-and-fast rules about how to deal with problems, look to the other administrators (on Bulbapedia, not anywhere else) for an idea of what is considered normal here. - 振霖T 01:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Two Things (or maybe considered more)

Isn't the Psychic Arbok in Great Encounters normal, that's why I had it describing it at the top. And I have encountered the Lucario Gift Set, Mew Gift Set, Latias & Latios Gift Set, and the Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set. which say that they are reprints of some cards; Do you know which ones? MoldyOrange 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


You don't know your punctuation, do you? If you are talking about a belonging of someone and their name ends with an S, you do not put apostrophe S, you just have their name and an apostrophe. Your way is not correct. - Arbok and Weezing 05:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It's been discussed over and over before. "James's" is just as appropriate as "James'", especially if it's singular like is used for James's Pokémon ("James'" could refer to something belonging to more than one James). Besides, the overall style of the encyclopedia calls for it to be "James's"--several templates require the names to be that way. We are NOT about to create a huge exception in those templates just to satisfy those who incorrectly believe "James's" is 100% incorrect. --Shiningpikablu252 05:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about his Pokemon, it's James' Cacea. If you're talking about more than one James, it would be there are 10 James running around. Learn to punctuate. - Arbok and Weezing 06:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Please read this and the manual of style. I will not have flagrant disregard for style going around Bulbapedia on my watch. --Shiningpikablu252 06:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


We had an edit war at 1:00 AM (PST) today by Servercrash--CoolPikachu! 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind it's been fixed--CoolPikachu! 06:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Autoblocks don't point to a sockpuppet, and neither do the e-mails. Odds are Arbok and Weezing and Servercrash are unrelated. --Shiningpikablu252 06:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
So one was a spammer and the other an outraged person who's has bad punctuation--CoolPikachu! 06:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I Need Something To Do!

Hey shiningpikablu252 I have just fixed the awful picture on Purugly's page by replacing it with the offical artwork. Now I've done that could you give me some suggestions on what I can do now to improve bulbapedia? User:Agent008 User talk:Agent008

You don't happen to know how to translate Kanji, do you? MoldyOrange 14:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope I can't translate any language.But I can clean up talk pages and tidy articles. Should I try that instead. User:Agent008
By "translate Kanji" do you mean converting it to Romaji? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Can you then put Romaji into english? MoldyOrange 15:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
If you can give me an example, I can see what I can do. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 15:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
It might be a little small but: This is Samiya's Mantyke from "PCG-P" Promotional cards. If you can find out what the attacks mean, we can find out what most should say underneath. MoldyOrange 15:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The second attack is Splash. I'll see if I can deduce the first. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It took me a while, but the first move is Water Sport. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Card question

What do we do if a card from "PCG-P" Promotional cards and 7th Movie Half Deck have the same attacks and stats, but have different artwork, do we put them on the same page? MoldyOrange 15:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Put it at the Half Deck name. Use an article such as Mew (Expedition 19) for an example. --Shiningpikablu252 18:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

New vandal


Please block him. He's replacing and redirecting pages with racist comments. --ケンジガール 22:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


I can't help but wonder why you copied the contents of your userpage to Livinlarge18's talk page. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 02:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It was an accident. I meant to put in my automated link template message, and it went awry. I've fixed it so that what was intended to go up has gone up. --Shiningpikablu252 02:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, just making sure. Sorry to bother you. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 02:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I don't think we've "met" yet, I used to contribute a lot up until about a year ago, and now I'm back... I posted a small question for PAK Man since he's an admin I've been in touch with back then, but he refered me to you and said you'll be of more help... Anyway, I'm copy-pasting the whole thing here:

hi PAK, what's up? Remember me? I wasn't around much this year but now I'm back, and glad to be back... I see a lot's changed here so I'm easing into things... One tiny thing I wanted to ask you as an admin was about "in other languages" sections on articles. I remember a little over a year ago I had an argument with another user (I think it was Maxim) about whether or not we should keep translitations of character names and such in articles. One of the admins (Pie, I think) sided with me eventually, so we kept them. In the meantime, all these names were removed. That part I can understand... But what bothers me a little is that even on pages for Types, many foreign names were removed. I traced back the changes to this user: Siegfried. From what I got from the talk pages, the reason he\she stated was that the games aren't translated to those languages. Thing is, the anime is translated, and in this particular case of Types, it's not even translitations - it's an actual translation, a different word in a different language. Maybe we should reach a decision on the subject once and for all? Thoughts? (Sorry it was so long, lol :))

Thanks in advance. --ElectAbuzzzz 16:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Pic positions

Mermaid Misty (List of anime clothing article) and Pokémon Live need their pictures sized and positioned--KukiTalk 20:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, about the Arbok edit war...

I'm afraid you're a little late in taking action. We already worked out an agreement, and I simply forgot to un-revert that one. All the information is in the Pokémon League entrance exam instructor article. So, um, could you please redirect that Arbok page to Pokémon League entrance exam instructor#Arbok? I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 14:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Public Sandbox

Hey pal just to let you know that I'm not treating the public sandbox as my own and that if I overwrite something;then feel free to revert it cause I'm too lazy to do it myself. User:Agent008

New User Form Letter

Yea you sent me a new user form letter, and I have a comment on one of the things said...

The word Poké Ball is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a capital B. The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.

I always figured it was called a "poké ball" because the "poké" part stands for "pocket" in "pocket monsters" making them "pocket balls" which is why they are able to shrink so small to put on someone's belt or in a "pocket size" Felinoel 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello? felinoel 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
You never asked a question, you just had a comment. MoldyOrange 21:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I guess thats correct, my apologies then felinoel 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Some Japanese card concerns

I have aquired some disturbing information in my research on Japanese promotions! After comparing pictures and attacks, I think that this Ponyta card from the Unnumbered Promotional cards equals this Ponyta. I also believe the the Pryce's Lapras Information promo equals the one from Pokémon VS. I wouldn't normally be reluctant to make the necessary redirects, but the two Information promos before these two were their own seperate cards. Can you look into this? MoldyOrange 01:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Dunsparce and Bellossom's Info Pack promos weren't reprints from as far as I could tell. I'd recommend that, first, you try to prove that those other Info Pack promos are indeed reprints and then, if it is proven that they are reprints, to make the redirects and the Pryce's Lapras article. --Shiningpikablu252 01:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Both of the cards images and attacks are the same as the other counterparts, is that enough proof, or should I try to find more? MoldyOrange 01:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have images that you can show me? --Shiningpikablu252 01:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you have the same for Pryce's Lapras? --Shiningpikablu252 01:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. That's good enough for me. The Ponyta redirect is already created. As for the Pryce's Lapras, that redirect can come to be once the VS version's article is created. --Shiningpikablu252 01:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll create it after I am done with the last 5 redirects of the "PCG-P" Promotional cards. MoldyOrange 01:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we redirect the Oran Berry in ADV to Oran Berry? MoldyOrange 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Double-check first, then redirect. It could (though not necessariy will) have alternate artwork. --Shiningpikablu252 19:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

New problem. This Minun and this Minun are almost exactly the same. Everything, the picture, the attacks and energy costs are exactly the same EXCEPT... the first attack (Minus Energy) on the English Card has 10 as the damage while the promotional card doesn't have any damage for that attack. Do you think they should be the same page with the reprint mistake in trivia, or because of that addition, they should be their own articles? MoldyOrange 20:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You have an image of the Japanese promo I could check against? --Shiningpikablu252 20:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I only have a picture of the 5 Japanese mcdonalds images. MoldyOrange 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
<image removed due to site stamp to prevent link breaking>

I'd go ahead and make the the same page with the reprint difference in trivia. From what I could tell from studying Plusle, it's the English print on Minun that's probably mistaken.
As for that image, either re-upload it without a site stamp (you can do it with the same name as the original image) or slap a deletion tag on it. We don't want to get Bulbagarden in trouble with the original owner of the image. --Shiningpikablu252 01:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I knew there was a site stamp on it, that was a reason why I didn't necessarily want to put it up. I'll put a deletion tag on it so that it will go onto the evergrowing list on the archives. MoldyOrange 01:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you know what DP-P #97 is? 97+ aren't on the page but I can't find 97 anywhere! 98-102 are all Pikachu given away at Pokémon Centers in Japan. MoldyOrange 02:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

This I can't help you with. Sorry. --Shiningpikablu252 02:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I am confused as hell on the Space Fissure's Deoxys cards! From what I could gather, the three 7th Movie Half Deck cards are their own seperate cards, but the Space Fissure's Deoxys in the "PCG-P" Promotional cards is one card that changes into the three different movie cards depending on the angle it is looked at. I have no idea how to make the pages! Please help! MoldyOrange 15:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you drop an out-of-form translation on the sandbox? I'd like to see just how the supposed "PCG-P" card works before giving advice on this matter. --Shiningpikablu252 15:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, if there really is a card that can mimic all three forms, then that card should have its own article. Standalone forms should also get their own, with a trivia piece stating that it's one of the forms that can appear on the card that can mimic all three forms. (Keep in mind that the Speed form didn't exist at the time the half deck or Destiny Deoxys was made.) --Shiningpikablu252 16:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Was there ever an illustrator by the name of Sayuri Midori? The translation I have for the P Promo Pichu Bros says that was the artist, but I've never heard of the person and I can't find the scan anywhere. Should I put this name anyway? MoldyOrange 02:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Show me an image if you can locate it, and then I'll consider it. In the meantime, could you point me to that translation? --Shiningpikablu252 02:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


I'd consider this legit. Go ahead. --Shiningpikablu252 02:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Trio

Please add the "Similar Movesets" section to the Dragon Trio article.~Pokemaniac102 15:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

11th Movie Commemoration Set

revealed: [2] but I don't know which cards are which and such. MoldyOrange 15:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably makes it official that Palkia has been taken out of the movie~Pokemaniac102 15:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Not Really, 10th Movie Commemoration Set only had Darkrai in it. MoldyOrange 15:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh yea, well I just hope Palkia's IN the movie, somehow, like even if it's in flashback (unlikely)~Pokemaniac102 15:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Catchtime Template

Could you please add the code in Template talk:Catchtime to Template:Catchtime. It would be extremely helpful to the Routes project and the template is protected. Admachina 15:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Someone made DP089 and it is horrific, it hasn't even had a title released yet! MoldyOrange 19:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

nevermind, youa lready took care of it... MoldyOrange 19:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I've also went ahead and protected the links. We've already had a stretch where two articles were created with wrong episode titles. I'd hate to have to deal with a stretch of three such articles not too long afterward! --Shiningpikablu252 19:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Gym Heroes & Gym Challenge

Okay, I'm trying to make sure that the information for Gym Heroes and Gym Challenge and the Japanese expansions Gym 1 and Gym 2 is correct. I'm having trouble finding a decent source of information on Gym 1 and Gym 2 to verify that everything is correct, and the fact that the cards were shuffled around a little for the English expansions complicates things a little, so here are my questions:

I'm sorry for bothering you with all of these questions, but I can't make sense out of them, but I think you might be able to. Drapion 16:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Lt. Surge's Secret Plan and Spy Tactics: I suspect they're are one in the same, translated very differently between Japanese and English.
  • Third Blaine's Growlithe: I suspect it may have been a promotional card added to an English set.
  • Second Sabrina's Gengar: I suspect it may have come from the Japanese theme deck. Note how one of the English cards is non-holographic, and there is a non-holographic Sabrina's Gengar in the Japanese theme deck? The theme deck page says the Gengar is not theme-deck exclusive, but it's entirely possible that there's an inaccuracy on the theme deck page. Adding weight to that possibility is how the only Sabrina's Gengar listed in the Japanese set on the set page is listed as holographic.
Note that I can't 100% guarantee the veracity of this information. --Shiningpikablu252 17:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Blaine's Growlithe came from the March 1999 issue of CoroCoro. Many cards came from CoroCoro as well. Check out the Unnumbered Promotional cards; a lot of extras are there. MoldyOrange 17:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Just Desserts

May I suggest you reblock this person for infinity? After all, this person is only a sockpuppet for another person. And this person poses a major threat to this website~Pokemaniac102 04:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of whom? --Shiningpikablu252 04:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
How do you know if it is a Sockpuppet of Lovely? MoldyOrange 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Lovely, who is also User:Sightless, who was also User:Silliest Hat, Trust me, I've been here a LONG TIME, I am sure~Pokemaniac102 04:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll do it. MoldyOrange 04:14, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
It's our old buddy Ph34r. TTEchidna 04:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Lock down Bulbapedia, PLEASE

This is an urgent SOS I'm putting out to admins.

We're getting a huge vandal attack. I was doing fine taking care of it myself, but now it looks like entire articles are being compromised and being turned into unrecoverable self-redirects. I don't think there's anything I can do. Take a look yourself.

I would recommend locking the place down and fixing everything. Toastypk 06:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

What exactly was Capulet doing anyway? --ニョロトノ666 22:17, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Mass vandalizing, mainly redoing all of the Lovely and Sightless vandal edits that had been undone. The original vandal said they were fixing a Unicode problem, but I'm pretty certain that was just an excuse to try to avoid being blocked; the Sightless sockpuppet made edits to try to keep pages from being moved back. The Capulet sockpuppet also edited Template:CSS3 columns the way the Just Desserts sockpuppet did, except with a different message (the Just Desserts edits were erased due to their nature).

From what I could tell, the entire Lovely vandal farm did their deeds as a Ph34r copycat, using many of the same demands the original Ph34r made (allowing anonymous edits and not requiring e-mail confirmation, which would certainly lead to larger-scale vandal attacks). --Shiningpikablu252 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about fixing articles

I tried to roll back the pages, but it keeps saying that since the one vandal is the only author of the page, it doesn't work. I tried going into the old articles and just copying the text and pasting it into the real article's name, but Zhen told me not to do that on my talk page. What's the trick? I'll do whatever it takes to speed up the repair here. ~Toastypk - Loom. 17:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry. I'm investigating every move from the most recent vandal. I've even found the content of an article I thought was irrepairable and moved it back where it belongs. --Shiningpikablu252 17:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Well in the wake of the madness last night, TTEchinda granted me and a few others who were online at the moment, sysop powers so we could fix the damage. I'd just like to help speed everything up while I still can. But according to Zhen I was doing it wrong. What are you doing, just deleting the articles themselves and making them anew? ~Toastypk - Loom. 17:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, if there are still articles that are running their roots from vandal redirects, then you can try searching for their legitimate content through the search or by rummaging through categories. The search is how I found Wattson's Manectric, which I thought had been irrepairably damaged. Once the legitimate content has been found, it can be moved back to their proper name. Sysops have access to check boxes when trying to move stuff over articles with histories; alternately, the destination can be deleted manually and then moved from there. --Shiningpikablu252 17:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Well as far as I can tell now, (at least according to "Capulet"'s edit history), it looks like most, if not all, of the articles are fixed! Thanks to you and Zhen. :D ~Toastypk - Loom. 18:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Just Wondering

How could the list be a vandal target if the Userspace is blocked from editing? MoldyOrange 02:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking ahead. Once the userspace lockdown does come to a close, a vandal could perhaps see the list and target it for vandalism. --Shiningpikablu252 02:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Night Patrol

So you guys are looking for someone to volunteer to stay up and keep an eye on Bulbapedia?--CoolPikachu! 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

If going with a night owl is our only option, then we'd have to do it. We'd rather try to find someone in an area that can be up normally while other areas sleep. Of course, I doubt Bulbapedia could come up with enough money to piece together an infomerical and buy time on KUAM to try to recruit someone to keep watch...--Shiningpikablu252 00:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Lol--CoolPikachu! 00:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I know some people who live in the Philippines if that's any help--CoolPikachu! 06:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm Israeli... --ElectAbuzzzz 09:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Im british and were 5 hours ahead, so if I start watch at 8 am its 3 at night for you lot. Guardian of Earth 22:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I know--CoolPikachu! 22:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

About Giratina and Shaymin's page

Shouldn't Giratina and Shaymin's have multiple sprite tables similar to the ones that Deoxys has? This is because in Platinum Version, the Giratina Another Forme and Shamin Land Forme sprites are different to those in DP. DO you think you can help with that. Also, I need help giving the Giratina sprite a transparent background.--Tavisource 18:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes can I add them cause both forms will be available in Platinum--CoolPikachu! 22:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


&: bad. And: good. Plz no &'s unless it's a title. TTEchidna 01:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Question about disambiguation

Now that most of the cards in the Japanese promos (i.e. PLAY, DP-P, Deoxys vs Rayquaza Gift Set, etc...) are redirects to the english version, should we still list those promos on the card pages such as Charmander? I think that we should (in order to be complete) but I want to get someone else's opinion first. MoldyOrange 20:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that only those collections with no unique material should be omitted. --Shiningpikablu252 20:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I should only put (excluding movies and non-reprint sets): ADV, PCG, DP, J, T, P, PPP & PLAY, and Unnumbered (and maybe web, I don't know if there are any original cards there yet)... Right? MoldyOrange 22:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Image quality for TR

I'm going to start uploading scans for all the remaining sets, starting with TR. What do you think of the image quality for this batch? Are they too blurry, or is it alright? --ニョロトノ666 20:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd put those up. Someone can always replace it later if they find it unsatisfactory. --Shiningpikablu252 20:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, TR is done. You're free to delete those cards from the list, as I don't have access to the User namespace, obviously. Thanks! --ニョロトノ666 21:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know I plan to upload as many Fossil scans as possible either tomorrow or over the weekend. Cipher 16:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it OK...?

Is it OK if I added the Summer School rentals to Ash, Brock, and Dawn's pages?--KukiTalk 22:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Wait until it airs. For all we know, Dawn's rental will be something that the preview didn't show, such as a Skorupi or a Ditto. --Shiningpikablu252 22:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I sorta did it already! And I won't be on much Thursday, so it would be u already. Actually, how about I keep the column, and on Thursday, huever does it could just switch the image and link?--KukiTalk 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I'd like to protect from all spoilers. Nothing is confirmed. This means no placeholders.
Since you had the audacity to revert my edits simply because you wanted placeholders, I've protected the articles. --Shiningpikablu252 22:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No they weren't. But I'll cut u a deal. For Brock and Ash, when it airs, u revert it, and then substitute for correct if necessary, cuz I should receive credit for adding column in first place. But keep Dawn, it was confirmed!--KukiTalk 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Grimer was confirmed @ very last scene of preview, when it hugged Dawn. Y ELSE WOOD IT SHOW THAT MUH AFECTION???--KukiTalk 22:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Previews can be decieving. That Grimer could be one someone else rented and that action is not affection. By your reasoning, the DP034 preview confirmed Ash would be the one to have caught Buizel in the first place, yet that obviously didn't happen. --Shiningpikablu252 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

K--KukiTalk 22:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


The right panel of the Pokemon card doesn't say anything about the levels's not shown anywhere unless you write Pokemon (TCG). ht14 22:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Take Pidgey as an example. Look at the main infobox. You can clearly see the "Lv. 8" there. It's that way on ALL cards that have a level. It's part of the style. --Shiningpikablu252 22:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Before I Do Anything...

Is there a limit to the number of userpages we can have? I've got my 1 extra one and I'd like to make 1-2 more. Porygon-Z 15:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not the expert on this. Pester TTEchidna if you want to know. --Shiningpikablu252 15:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

You want Confirmation?

or you could go here for a bigger image: [3]

Or even here for a list up to 122: [4] MoldyOrange 16:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Wanted Pages

Would there be any way to get number 413 off. It isn't something that should be on there and since you were the one who made the template, I thought you should be able to fix it since I don't know how. MoldyOrange 18:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Ask TTEchidna. He can answer the question better than I can. I merely based the non-categorized infobox off the categorizing infobox, exact code except for categories. --Shiningpikablu252 18:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

How should I comment about missing or incorrect information on a page?

This is in regard to my edit:

Manaphy Half Deck (TCG)‎; 02:20 . . (-117) . . Shiningpikablu252 (Undo revision 427786 by Steeve 13 (Talk) No spam links, please)

I had made a comment at the bottom that included my user name, and I'm guessing that is what sparked your spam links comment... Sorry about that.

Try leaving a comment on the talk page.
Additionally, the contents of that page were based on part of the content of the full Trainer Kit, so any inaccuracies in a half deck will reflect in both the half deck's page and the trainer kit's page. --Shiningpikablu252 02:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry, I'm the new guy. --Steeve13

Regarding the Crystal Onix comment

That's true, but Gen II was already around long before the official release for Gold and Silver. Marill was even owned by a main character at the time, and if I remember correctly Steelix was one of the many Pokémon revealed before the games release. But never mind, it's really not that important. --electAbuzzzz (TALK) 16:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Was Steelix revealed prior to March? --Shiningpikablu252 16:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The only way to find out is to dig through news archives of old fansites from nearly a decade ago. It's really not that big a deal. We'll drop it for the sake of doubt. --electAbuzzzz (TALK) 16:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


Don't you think that was a bit harsh blocking him so suddenly. He didn't get the chance to respond to my warning. I don't know... --ケンジガール 21:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I had to put on the block to stop the flood. For all we know, he was not going to stop the flooding until all Pokémon that can hatch out of an egg were represented.
Since everything's been cleaned up, I've lifted the block. --Shiningpikablu252 21:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you...and sorry for doing that. Anyways, I didn't know I could create customized ones. I should've asked before flooding it. Thanks for cleaning up the mess. Want an egg? Sorry again.

User Subpages

Hi, I've got seven userpages that I don't need anymore (mostly they were to test out code and whatnot): please could you delete them for me?

If you can, thanks very much, it's appreciated. Cheers, Cipher 16:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, are we actually allowed to start the purge? I am afraid to start deleting all missions even though Zhen Lin said to. MoldyOrange 16:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Let's take it on an author-request basis for now until we get clearer instructions on what to do. Even then, we should probably take it somewhat slow--too many deletions at once could possibly cause server problems like too many creations at once can. --Shiningpikablu252 18:16, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This new server can handle more thought cant it. Thankyou for your time. Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 18:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Legends Awakened References

I see you guys are using my prerelease info again. Could you please provide credit? ~Water Pokemon Master

(I don't use Wikipedia, so I don't know how to add signatures and stuff. :p

Maybe you should remind Double Dash as well. He's the one who made the articles of the recent preview.
Come to think of it, why Legends Awakened to notice this? Why not Great Encounters or Majestic Dawn? --Shiningpikablu252 19:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll get that done now, crediting the necessary articles on the LA page. Cipher 19:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

"More credits"

In my talk you told me that I was deleting the 'More Credits' code that Woopert made. I don't understand what I did wrong or how I did it wrong. Can you give me a little more details on how I did it wrong, because I don't remember even touching it. I am very concerned about this. --Juan Sanfiel 15:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The EpisodeInfobox template contains several fields. "epcode" is for the episode's code. "screen" denotes whether to display a screenshot or not; if that variable reads yes, "screenshot" is the file for the screenshot. "title_en" is for the dub title, "title_ja" is for the original Japanese title in kanji, and "title_ja_trans" is for the original Japanese title translated to English. "broadcast_jp" denotes the original Japanese broadcast date, while "broadcast_us" denotes the initial United States airdate. I'm not sure exactly how "en_series" works. "en_op" is for the dub opening theme, "ja_op" is for the Japanese opening theme, and "ja_ed" is for the Japanese ending theme (no "en_ed" field is included due to there being only one actual English ending theme). "olmteam" denotes the team at Oriental Light and Magic that was given the task of handling the episode. After that comes fields for the credits: scenario, storyboard, director, art, and miscellaneous. Not every episode has the fields for miscellaneous credits; these are being added as pages such as Anime staff by episode (DP051-DP060) are created.
Your edits consisted of mainly editing one of the English-based fields, as well as removing the "morecredits" and "epstaffpage" fields from the infobox. Those latter two fields were inserted by the sysop who came up with the anime staff article system, and you had no reason to remove them.
If you claim that you didn't touch them, then you may have not been editing the most recent version of the page. If you're editing an out-of-date revision, this disclaimer will appear:
WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost.
You typically do not want to see that particular disclaimer. Saving changes to an out-of-date revision will ignore all changes since that revision. Only the most up-to-date revision will not show that particular disclaimer. Only update an out-of-date reversion in case of vandalism in consecutive edits.
One more thing: If someone else makes an edit and hits "Save page" before you can, you'll most likely get an edit conflict. In the case of an edit conflict, try to work your work into the previous poster's edit unless it can be judged that the previous poster's edit shouldn't have been made.
I hope this discussion was clear. --Shiningpikablu252 20:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

"Until it can be proven that "Lv.X" is indeed correct..."

Well, you'll be waiting a long time, because the official site confirms all over that LV.X is the correct terminology. Cipher 19:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Please help me out here. I don't understand why you regard official terminology - I'm talking about LV.X and the Castforms here - to be incorrect. If it was incorrect, it wouldn't be on the cards. With the DP Series, Nintendo has changed the way forms are regarded, and for the Castform species, that includes a new way to name each of them. Even if PUSA confirms that Temperamental is useable with previous Castforms, that won't affect the new Castforms' names in any way.
I am trying my very best here to help, so please don't disregard what I do to help - and that is aimed only, and directly, at your LV.X argument. Lv.X is incorrect, it's as simple as that. I don't make the terminologies, PUSA does. I'm just enforcing the correct terminology. Cipher 18:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


You know how users usually have a custom-made sprite in their character info box on their user page? Well Fabu-Vinny deleted mine and some of the other user's. Look on his talk page and see the talk. Well I have no idea why he deleted them. On the archives, he says that it was not in use, but it was ALWAYS in use:
21:10, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Makuhita Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ritchie Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:09, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Skitty Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Mudkip Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:07, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Magby Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Elekid Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:06, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Smoochum Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Teddiursa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Wooper Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:05, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Aipom Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Cleffa Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:04, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Igglybuff Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Spinarak Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Chinchou Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 21:03, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Pichu Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Tracy Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ash Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:59, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Morrison Sprite.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:58, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Isis's Bibarel.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Ledyba Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:54, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sentret Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Sandshrew Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Vulpix Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:53, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Psyduck Egg.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) 20:39, 2 August 2008 Fabu-Vinny (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Janina's Onix.png" ‎ (Fan artwork - not in use) --☆Tavisource 00:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe it may have been cleanup of images that may have been deemed outright unnecessary. Of course, this is coming from someone who has no sysop power on the Archives; you'll have to personally ask Fabu-Vinny about this if you want the true story. Granted, it's not like I'm an impostor on To Tell The Truth or anything...--Shiningpikablu252 01:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I know, but I'm asking you to help solve the problem, cause you are one the the best admins. I talked to him and I still don't understand.Fabu-Vinny said my custom-made sprites weren't used in the mainspace, but I used it for my user page like EVERYONE else does. I need help please.--☆Tavisource 01:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
The only other explaination I could possibly come up with is that Fabu-Vinny deemed them personal images above your limit and swept them away. --Shiningpikablu252 01:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Kenji-girl told me the same thing. Well, now I have NO personal images. So, am I at least allowed to re-upload two of them?--☆Tavisource 01:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Permission to block?

I'm really sick of that person. He's leaving too many messages because someone isn't responding to him. --ケンジガール 05:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I've given help on the user's most recent question. If that user keeps up the constant spam even after this, then go ahead and drop a short block. --Shiningpikablu252 05:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

User page

I want to make my own user page, however, on my computer it always asks if I want to open, save or cancel. I tried this a billion times and if I press OPEN, this blank page pops up and says that there is an error report. If I press SAVE, this other page pops up with files. If I press my user name at the top of the page, it says there is no page. I press start the Juan Sanfiel article, though the same thing happens. Can you help me with this? Please tell me at my talk page. --Juan Sanfiel 10:45, 4 August, 2008

Have you tried actually putting the content in the window like you would an ordinary page? --Shiningpikablu252 14:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Growlithe (TCG)

A user created a page at Growlithe (TCG) which was about the card Growlithe (Base Set 28). Which is the more appropriate course of action: delete the page and let someone re-create it later with the appropriate content, or just replace the page with the appropriate content as soon as possible? --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 18:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Almost there.

You're about to become the second person to best BulbaBot. Do you feel like your life's in danger due to that thing retaliating...? TTEchidna 23:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

New template for bad TCG images

I've created a template that could possibly be used to tag TCG card articles with bad images. It can be found here - it automatically inserts the article into a category called "Pokémon cards with poor images" so they can all be accessed. Input would be appreciated, as I'd like to create it and start implementing it. Double Dash 16:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Archives: Card scan categories

I replied to your comments regarding the categorization of card scans on the Archives if you haven't yet seen it. If it's alright, I'd like to start today with categorizing Base Set and Neo Genesis, unless you have any issues with my proposal. Double Dash 15:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to go ahead. --Shiningpikablu252 15:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


is there a way to make a sprite/or like re-create one like for example:

theres a normal pikachu sprite and there's a Sparky sprite. Ritchie

You could see a custom-sprite specialist on this issue. --Shiningpikablu252 19:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Taviource and Kenji-Girl--KukiTalk 19:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Legends Awakened

Okay...slight problem. I didn't anticipate WPM posting all the remaining scans today, and as I'm gonna be out for most of the day, I'm not gonna have time to get them all done. If it was twenty, I'd be able to finish them when I got back, but forty is way too many. I know it's not ideal, but can you finish off the remaining LA pages for me? You're quicker at making card articles than I am.

This seriously sucks...I wanted to finish LA off, I was really looking forward to being able to say I'd done that. IFDS better be a smaller set... Double Dash 10:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


By now, some of the Legends Awakened prereleases will be underway, so I think it's safe to remove the "not officially released" notices at the top of all the articles on the set's cards. What do you say? I'm off to a local (somewhat) prerelease myself in a minute, so I won't be able to help much. --ニョロトノ666 16:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I say we wait until prereleases are underway on the west coast. This should give us enough time to get enough physical copies into the channel.
Granted, this still won't solve the mystery of the Bombardment missing three...--Shiningpikablu252 16:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Alright, that's fine. If no one else reports in within the next few hours, I should be able to find out what the missing cards are in Bombardment, and I'll tell you about 8 or 9 o'clock tonight. See you later. --ニョロトノ666 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I obtained the box for the Bombardment theme deck at the prerelease today, and I've corrected the issue regarding the number of cards in the deck. Turns out there were 4x Taillow cards missing from WPM's list, and there was an extra Poké Radar listed. Wanna know something else? I obtained Azelf LV.X, Mesprit LV.X, and Rhyperior LV.X at the prerelease. Cool, huh? However, I failed at getting any Kingdra or Froslass, which were the priority. I'm a little tired, so I'll finish adding the LA info I learned tomorrow. --ニョロトノ666 02:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


You just changed everything back to a miscolored sprite. MoldyOrange 17:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I honestly didn't even know it was miscolored...--Shiningpikablu252 17:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I guess it wasn't that much, parts in between the wheel on its back were black instead of white. It made the wheel look completely filled in instead of having open spaces. MoldyOrange 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

DP Template

I didn't use it because I didn't know how... I'm sorry if I made some trouble... Nick. 18:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


How are we going to get an image of this card if it was exclusive to the Game Boy's Trading Card Game? MoldyOrange 23:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody'll think of something. --Shiningpikablu252 01:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, are there even Illustrators for cards exclusive to the two games...because I can't find them. What should I put? MoldyOrange 01:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Mark them as having unknown illustrators. Exactly how to word it, though, depends on whether cards that do have known illustrators have them listed in either of the Card GB games. If they don't, simply state that the illustrators on the video game-exclusive cards is unknown due to the card being exclusive to the video game. If they do, simply state that the video-game exclusive card doesn't list an illustrator. --Shiningpikablu252 01:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Robot Chicken Articles

They are AWESOME! Actually, I think putting them in the mainspace would be a great idea. Porygon-Z 03:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Just the same, I'm not making any page moves without a large consensus. The notability of spoofs is not entirely clear, and to be safe, I'm assuming a Robot Chicken sketch would not be considered notable in the main namespace. I'd take lower readership over mass flaming if given a choice. --Shiningpikablu252 04:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for helping me with that. --PAK Man Talk 04:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

No 1 Trainer

There are a couple No. 1 Trainer cards, from the Unnumbered Promotional cards that were made into pages, shouldn't they have all been on one page with the other No. 1 Trainer cards? This was also done with No. 2 and No.3. MoldyOrange 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I saw, the text differs for each event. I say we leave the separate articles in this case, and make their TCG links into disambiguation pages. --Shiningpikablu252 16:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you could help...

I think there should be something added in the Welcoming template about not editing the User space as much.--☆Tavisource 19:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The welcome template is due for an update anyway, now that we've got access to the show/hide tables. I think TTE might have had some ideas as well... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 23:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

recently uploaded images by Lemonnlime

What is that symbol on the bottom left of every card? Is it some sort of site stramp by any chance? MoldyOrange 23:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it's the Ultra-Pro tag that the company put on their card sleeves (up until Legends Awakened, they did all the Pokémon TCG card sleeves). I've not tagged them as bad images, but scans with sleeve tags aren't ideal. Double Dash 23:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Given that these cards were scanned in transparent sleeves, I'd wager that they might be a sleeve marking. In that case, they should all be tagged as unsatisfactory--we can get better images than those! --Shiningpikablu252 23:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you

Can you make articles for the Mewtwo Returns COTDs? We have pix prepared for them--KukiTalk 15:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

There are others with more experience in that field than I am. I myself haven't created very many COTD articles--you'd probably be hard pressed to find such an article that isn't Ada (Kanto) or Shonosuke. --Shiningpikablu252 15:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, but can u crop the discolored MQ logo on jetstream and upload it--KukiTalk 15:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Here you go. --Shiningpikablu252 15:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


Is there a way to find out which Pokémon are in need of Platinum-standard learnsets for each generation short of doing it manually? If there isn't, that's a problem. --ニョロトノ666 22:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Currently, there is this that goes up to Ho-Oh. MoldyOrange 22:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I got

I got pix for Thunder Fang, now how do I put it on the page neatly?--KukiTalk 23:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision to Mamoswine

Simple question: what was the point of that revision? Double Dash 15:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd noticed a bum link in the wanted pages to one of the TCG disambiguation pages, except without the space it's supposed to have. Instead of Piloswine (TCG), it read "Piloswine(TCG)". The primary purpose of the edit was to link it correctly. Another Mamoswine article was also edited similarly due to a similar issue; it was due to both articles having that issue that it showed up in the wanted pages. --Shiningpikablu252 15:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Oh, of course, I missed that bit when I looked through the revision notes. Cheers. Incidentally, where's this list of wanted pages? There might be something I can help with once I'm done in the Archives. Double Dash 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
It's in the list of special pages, but if you want to know how to get to the wanted pages directly, it's Special:Wantedpages. --Shiningpikablu252 15:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Jnames/Jtrans for TCG pages

Try not to forget those! I know it's a bit odd that I'm giving you advice for a change, but I thought it was kind of important. I mean, you're doing a great job and all, but there's just that one little thing. For moves that are in the games, just go to that move's page and copy and paste the jname and jtrans. Thanks! --ニョロトノ666 16:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's entirely possible that an attack which bears the name of a game attack on the English card could have been an entirely different name on the Japanese card. It's also possible that the cards use different styles of kanji than the games. Copy/paste on the game attacks seems too much of a risk when the possibility for error exists. --Shiningpikablu252 16:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Legends Awakened Card Images

I added fifteen card images to Legends Awakened articles earlier on, don't forget to take 'em off the list. I added three Holon Phantoms images, too. Double Dash 21:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Block length

Why shorten the block length for a vandal? It's clear someone who refers to me as a "faggot mod" is never going to have a change of heart and contribute constructively, so why not simply ban them infinitely? --ニョロトノ666 21:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I've seen worse vandalism get off easier. Rolfcopter3, for instance, vandalized pages far worse by using a bastardized version of the Bagel Bites jingle--using "n*gger" in place of "pizza"--in greater frequency, and got 1 year. Many felt that was too lenient.
As far as I can tell, one vandal page isn't enough to land infinite, unless said vandal is part of a larger farm. From what I could tell, that "f*ggot mods" comment wasn't frequent enough to deserve infinite.
Scorpion1000 gets one more chance upon the three months. If he doesn't learn, then we can ratchet it up to infinite and keep it that way. --Shiningpikablu252 21:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

PokéBeach References

Are they still necessary? Legends Awakened and its theme decks are out now, so I'm not sure if we really need to credit PokéBeach for the info any longer. Cipher 21:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd go ahead and take them down. However, if Pokébeach complains, bend to their will. --Shiningpikablu252 01:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


TTE said to delete the Category "Category:Pokémon who have level-up learnsets listed" (no link to avoid wanted pages problem) when all 493 are there; but, The category still appears because of it being onTemplate:Movelist. I don't understand how to remove it without screwing things up, can you take a swing at it? MoldyOrange 01:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Is it satisfactory now? --Shiningpikablu252 01:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The category still appears on all Pokémon pages, but that might be due to the many pages that the site has to change. It is usually slow to remove things on just 30 pages, I'd hate to see how long it takes for 493. It could be fixed in about half an hour, if not...we can think of something else. MoldyOrange 01:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
It worked, thank you!! MoldyOrange 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't solve the problem of 10 stragglers who just wouldn't leave the category no matter what I did. I had no choice but to restore the template to how it was. We'll just have to wait for TTEchidna. --Shiningpikablu252 03:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


Why not change the Unreleased template at the top to include the category instead of making tons of edits? MoldyOrange 19:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably because I'd have to make a different ton of edits to reflect this.
That's a good idea, though. Preparing to reverse strategy...--Shiningpikablu252 19:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary Categories

What about [[Category: Pokémon wearing hats]]? Antarctica 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

For starters, new topics go at the bottom of the page, not the top.
Secondly, no, a category about Pokémon wearing hats is not a good idea. Simply put, Ashachu would be the only notable member of such a category, and categories with only one page in them are usually not a good idea. --Shiningpikablu252 21:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
But there is Murkrow and Honchkrow and probably more that I forgot. Antarctica 21:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
If we made a category for Pokémon with one certain feature, we'd have to make categories for Pokémon with other certain features as well. It's best to not have these categories, especially if we ended up having a category on Pokémon that have faces. --Shiningpikablu252 21:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Are there pokemon without faces? (Magnemite?)
Anyways I don't know what the problem would be with having Category: Horned Pokemon, Category: Pokemon that look like people, Category: Pokemon in hats. It's just specification! I don't understand why that would hurt anything.


We don't need this section.

This encyclopedia is for its readers. Unless there's a distinct anti-metagame bias on Bulbapedia, factual and neutral analysis can help out those who would play this card.

No other card article has a section like this

Then add more. Game mechanics are part of the game as well. The TCG section is lacking because we don't have enough knowledgeable people interested in editing them, so my edit was actually improving the article.

and calculations are only notable if they're unique

This isn't Wikipedia, we don't have to assert notability of page content. In fact, there's a section on Wikipedia in which they don't have to assert notability of page content either. --Raijinili 04:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Anyone with basic math skills can figure out an average. There's nothing notable about an attack whose average damage is 30. If we were to note the average damage for Bone Rush on Aura's Lucario ("PCG-P" Promo 92), we'd have to note the average damages for all attacks in the entire TCG.
The only time a damage calculation is notable is if it's outright unique or if it has a major impact on the game (I'm talking along the lines of format bans, not general gameplay). Even then, it would go under the Trivia heading and not a heading of its own.
Case in point: Results of damage calculations are generally not notable and should only be included in extreme cases. Aura's Lucario ("PCG-P" Promo 92) is not an extreme case, hence listing its damage average is not notable. --Shiningpikablu252 05:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Look at the card again. Calculating the average damage requires an infinite convergent sum, as well as enough probability knowledge to know how to deal with an infinite number of cases. The vast majority of high school graduates can't do either of those. I might be able to do it, and you might be able to do it, but we're not exactly representative of the target audience of Pokémon, are we?
I consider calculating the homology of a product space given the homologies of the original spaces "pretty easy", but that doesn't make it basic. --Raijinili 03:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
You're missing the point. We do not include attack calculations in the articles unless they have a major impact on the game, such as a format ban. The only reason Sneasel (Neo Genesis 25) has its Beat Up damage calculation listed is because that damage calculation was part of what led to it being banned in the Modified Format when it first began, and even then that damage calculation is of maximum, not average.
Simply put, average damages are not notable in card articles. Never has been, never will be. If they were to have been, we'd have to include them on all cards with damaging attacks. Please don't include that section on the Aura's Lucario card or any other again, or else there may be consequences. --Shiningpikablu252 15:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
You left two messages? How confusing. Oh well, it's basically the same thing twice, so the response I gave before still applies. --Raijinili 09:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


He just made 27 Userspace edits! He should really get {{subst:userwarning|5}} at once!--Misty-May-Dawn rulz 04:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ice Cave (lifted from the page)

Japanese: こおりのどうくつ! The Ice Cave!) is episode 250 of the Pokémon anime. It was first broadcast in Japan on May 30, 2002 and was never broadcast in the US or anywhere else outside of Japan (not due to SARS). Jynx is a sterotype that is persumed racist, which is why it got a color change. Check the facts Aura-Knight 17:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

No, SARS is the entire reason the episode was skipped over. Jynx is not, never was, and never will be a racist stereotype. And there is no way a Pokémon's primary colors will ever be changed due to stupid rumors. --Shiningpikablu252 17:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

BulbaGarden Forums?

I'm still pretty fresh here, and I just want to know. How do you get to post threads on the BulbaGarden Forums? SharKing 18:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing

P.S.: I was originally going to ask TTEchidna.
On the left tool bar, the forum link is right under "Main Page." MoldyOrange 19:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
You also need to register a separate account on the forums. The universal wiki login system does not include access to the forums. --Shiningpikablu252 19:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
How exactly do you do that? I've looked around. SharKing 20:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing
There's a green link that says "register" in the welcome message for users that aren't logged in. You might want to start there.
If you still can't find that link, just click here; this will take you right into the registration process. --Shiningpikablu252 21:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Cool. Thank you very much, Pikablu! SharKing 22:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing

Draco Meteor

Before assuming that it can't learn Draco Meteor, you should try it yourself. I have a legit Toys R Us Mew, and it learned it. However, before trying it, I used an Action Replay to find a non-legit Mew, and the non-legit Mew could not learn it. I even got its happiness high enough so that it showed 2 big hearts, and it still could not learn it. But, with the legit Mew, it couldn't learn it when I had just transferred it from my GBA game, but it could when I got it to maximum happiness. So, Mew can learn it, but it has to be legit, and its happiness rating has to be maximum. Try it yourself. Baby G 20:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

People have tried it. People have used legitimate Mew, gotten up to maximum happiness, and tried to teach it Draco Meteor from the tutor. They all failed. The same goes for the tutor that teaches Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, and Hydro Cannon. The only thing that would allow the tutor to succeed is a cheat device code.
Please accept the fact that Mew cannot legally learn Draco Meteor. FireRed/LeafGreen set a precedent of introducing tutors that can't tutor Mew, and Diamond/Pearl is simply following that precedent. --Shiningpikablu252 20:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
So Mew is no longer the ancestor of all Pokémon? Baby G 20:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Pokémon have been listed to have behaviors contradictory to Pokédex entries ever since Generation I. Face it, even Mew has limitations, and the inability to learn Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon, and Draco Meteor from move tutors just goes to prove it. --Shiningpikablu252 20:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
That's a different story. Frenzy Plant, Hydro Cannon, and Blast Burn are all signature moves which usually can only be learned by the Pokémon whose signature move it is. Some bird Pokémon have Mirror Move as their signature moves, and Mew can't learn it because Mew doesn't learn any Pokémon's signature move(s). However, Draco Meteor can be learned by 20 Dragon Pokémon, which means I wouldn't consider Draco Meteor a signature move. Baby G 20:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
That still doesn't change the fact that Mew cannot learn Draco Meteor. The game is programmed to teach only a Dragon-type Pokémon the Draco Meteor move. Is Mew a Dragon-type? No. When it comes to the Draco Meteor move tutor, if you're not a Dragon-type, you get refused service. The fact that Arceus can learn Draco Meteor if it has the Draco Plate attached to it is pretty much the proof you need that Mew cannot legally learn the move--that tutor checks types, not a pre-set compatability list. The elemental hyper beams are a similar story: if you're not a final evolution of a Kanto starter Pokémon (simply a starter Pokémon in Generation IV), the move tutor can't help you.
You're lucky I haven't already blocked you. Attempting to bully sysops is a blockable offense. --Shiningpikablu252 20:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not trying to bully you. Baby G 20:52, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
You're trying to force me to insert that Mew can learn Draco Meteor when I know for a fact that it can't. Trying to force a sysop to commit a blockable offense (inserting false information in this case) is basically bullying in a nutshell. We don't take too kindly to bullies here. --Shiningpikablu252 20:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you archive Talk:Main_Page?

MathijsP 18:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the way that page gets archived is different from the way I typically archive. Since I don't want to deviate from what's worked before, I say we can let it get a little bigger until someone who knows their way around archiving Talk:Main Page can do it. --Shiningpikablu252 21:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


I bet 100 smackers that VIZ's Manga Translation (Movie 9 Manga IS translated and released by Viz) also spels it as "Samaya". Someone must check it. --Maxim 16:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. Viz released the American DVD, so they'd probably know what got put in the subtitles. It's not like a distributor to put one spelling in DVD subtitles and another in a manga...(Of course, inconsitencies are ALWAYS possible, regardless of medium and handler...) --Shiningpikablu252 16:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

PMD2 exclusive items?

Wait, lemme get this straight... the items on Cal05000's talk page are listed as Mystery Dungeon 2 exclusives? That's absurd! I've found a new project to work on... Even if I misinterpreted what you're saying, a lot of those still need articles... --ニョロトノ666 21:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

You did misinterpret. The list consist of items that appear in Mystery Dungeon 1. --Shiningpikablu252 01:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Regarding this edit

I'm a little confused as to why you marked your edit as minor. Minor edits should only be edits that almost truely don't change the page in any way, but your edit removed too much content for it to be considered minor. Also, your edit summary appears to be the automated edit summary for reverting true vandalism using Rollback. I don't see how my edit was "true vandalism". Baby G 18:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

1, rollback is used when no benefit came from the edit and the user doesn't feel like it needs to be explained why it was rollbacked. 2, any edit can be minor, it all depends on what the editor feels is minor or not. Just because you don't feel that the edit was minor, Pikablu must have and I agree with him. MoldyOrange 18:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Besides, as far as I can tell, the rollback function automatically marks the edit minor.
Additionally, rollback isn't specifically just for "true vandalism". Sure, rollback may have been designed with that as its main purpose, but rollback can also be used for stuff such as insertion of false information and the like. --Shiningpikablu252 18:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I Was Thinking

Should Ralts go under Status unknown, considering the promise, the statement of starting his journey soon after AG191, and its absence in Max's cameo appearances?--KukiTalk 22:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

We only have some minor cameos to work on. I wouldn't go for any major shifts just yet. I'd say leave as "befriended" for now, since that's as far as been shown. For all we know, Max could still be at home and not having gone anywhere yet, but he could have also left, reclaimed the Ralts, and already evolved it all the way to Gardevoir. We can change it again if and when something suggesting otherwise happens. --Shiningpikablu252 22:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Or a Gallade, which I have in my story--KukiTalk 22:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Do I...

Do I have permission to change two head pictures that make more sense for the respective episodes?--KukiTalk 22:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Name the images. --Shiningpikablu252 22:49, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The ones on top are mine:

The bottom ones are the ones up:

--KukiTalk 22:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Not that my opinion was asked for, but I prefer Kuki's images. --ニョロトノ666 22:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd go with yours, but try to find places for the other ones if possible. --Shiningpikablu252 22:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Because Moldy reverted them--KukiTalk 23:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

If you get reverted again, I'd go shopping around for other opinions. If people prefer your images over the others, then you should go ahead and ask Moldy for outright permission. --Shiningpikablu252 23:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Weedle vs. Steel

Thanks for clearing up, I forgot about Struggle. Should it be mentioned that Steel can only be harmed once Weedle runs out of PP? ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 03:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

If you feel it should. --Shiningpikablu252 03:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, within five edits...

And then you'll have beaten me. Good job there. TTEchidna 01:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


I was just browsing through the special pages and logs, and I noticed that you blocked EditMaster with an expiry time of infinite for replacing the contents of pages with gibberish. I think we need to uphold a standard of less-severe block lengths for less-severe vandals. As an example, Servercrash replaced the content of a page with "HEY THERE KIDS I'M GONNA FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE A RAPE YOUR FAMILY," among other vandalism, and only got a year. Don't you think infinite is a bit harsh for EditMaster? --ニョロトノ666 20:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

That wasn't me who blocked EditMaster. It was TTEchidna. I probably would have slapped maybe 6 to 9 months, a year at harshest. Probably closer to six months, since Servercrash's edits were a bit more offensive than EditMaster's. --Shiningpikablu252 20:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
For the record, this is the block log on EditMaster's block:
You'll notice that my username doesn't appear anywhere on that block log. My username does appear on the block log right above EditMaster's (the one for NIGGERSLOL, blocked for infinite due to an unacceptable username), so that may be where you thought I was the one who blocked EditMaster.--Shiningpikablu252

Intense Fight in the Destroyed Sky

Can you unprotect this page for me? I'm trying to get in contact with Water Pokémon Master regarding the name of the next set, which I believe I've found, and when I can confirm it, I'm gonna want to move and edit the page as necessary. I don't think there's any worry of edit wars on any of the protected pages. Cipher 17:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Best scratch that, actually, until we know that Stormfront is IFDS. As WPM said, it could be Galactic's Conquest. I'm looking around now for somewhere that has the set description as that'll clear up which set it is. Cipher 18:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, best we leave the protection until a source, such as a prerelease image or a press release, hints at Stormfront content pointing one way or the other.
For all we know, it could be Intense Fight with movie-11-based cards swapped out (ala Shining Darkness with some Japan DP4 cards in place of the movie-10-based cards). Or it could be Galactic's Conquest with some third-version-based cards swapped out. Or it and the following set could even be bits-and-pieces sets like Majestic Dawn, each using content from both Japanese sets as well as the next Entry Pack and some promos, and forcing us to leave Intense Fight and the yet-to-be-made Galactic's Conquest at the Japanese names. Until we get strong hints, it's best we not do anything.
If we do get strong hints and Intense Fight is indeed the primary source, you can drop me a line again. --Shiningpikablu252 19:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Aye, I'll be sure to. As I say, I'm on the look out for anything related to Stormfront, so I'll let you know if I find anything. Cipher 20:19, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I would suspect there will be promo cards in the next set. POP Series 8 (coming out soon) will not have 30 cards (which is roughly the amount of Japanese only cards currently in the DP-P Promotional cards. MoldyOrange 21:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering

What do you plan to do once EX Sandstorm is completed? Did you think about it yet? MoldyOrange 01:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Probably be working on TCG disambigs. Starting from the bottom of Generation III and working backward, of course. --Shiningpikablu252 01:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
That works, since I'm working my way through them starting at number one. Thanks for the answer. MoldyOrange 01:37, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

No Liek Mudkipz

Dragonair131 says: whats with all the "this user does not liek mudkipz" shizzle?

I'm proud to remain clean and drug-free. When it comes to licking (or should I say lieking?) Mudkip to get a narcotic high, I just say no! --Shiningpikablu252 20:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Zapmolcuno and HSOWA sprites

Hi. There's been some edit-warring by Jmath regarding the sprites on these two pages today... Could you give us a sysop ruling please? Should they stay or go? (I'm only asking you because you're online right now...) My vote is stay, BTW, at least for HSOWA (since it's a fan article to begin with). Thanks. --electAbuzzzz 16:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I say they stay. Neither of them can be seen as particularly offensive, and both represent the articles well. --Shiningpikablu252 16:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about the edit-warring before but I really feel that the sprites should not be here. The HSOWA one is fine since the whole article is fan-made. But the other one is a real page not some fan-made thing. So why keep something fan-made in it? Jmath 18:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with electAbuzz, sorry about randomly stepping in here. Just because it's a fan-made sprite doesn't mean it shouldn't be on there, it's a perfectly good sprite, it's not like it was half-heart-ly made and looks like something a 5-year-old made. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 18:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
But the page is not a fan-made article. It's something real and only a real picture belongs there. Not a fan interpretation of it. Jmath 18:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh right, yeah in that case i agree [/sarcasm]. How many official pictures of a half Skitty half Wailord are there? |: None. I think the sprite makes the article look better, and it adds more lulz to it. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 18:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing official about the Skitty-Wailord thing because it's only a fan page. Like they are going to have pics of a Skitty and a Wailord doing it. Jmath 18:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Give me five minutes and i can find you pictures of Skitty and Wailord doing it, unofficial pictures of course, but of course they don't have official pictures of that, I mean, there is no official Pokémon-pr0n. But thats irrelevant. If it's only fan-made thing, then why aren't you debating to have the actual article deleted? Hmmm? I mean, in case you haven't noticed, "HSOWA" is a fan-term, same with "So i herd u leik Mudkips" and "**** YEAH SEAKING", but they don't have an article. c: ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 18:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Then there are a lot of other pages that would have to be deleted with this. So there's no point in deleting any of them. Jmath 18:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Obviously. I was just saying, but seeing as how the term HSOWA is a fan-term, then the fan-made sprite should stay. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 18:59, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I was talking about Zapmolcuno!! The fan-made sprite doesn't belong in this page. God, read my first comment in this section. Jmath 19:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Oops~ Must have mis-read, but even so i agree with both sprites being kept. Even if it is fan-made, as long as it doesn't look crappy, It should stay in my opinion. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 19:05, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
So what happens when we get a real pic for the page? Jmath 19:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, if we do, then the sprite will go and the 'real' picture will take it's place. At least i assume this. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 19:13, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

What's the point of doing it like that? We don't have fan sprites for every page without a picture. (off-topic: sorry Shiningpikablu for cramming up your talk page like this.) Jmath 19:19, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

...*shrugs* Don't ask me, I don't know everything. ~~Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 19:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
So, isn't it better to not keep the sprite at all? Jmath 19:24, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
A fan sprite's better than nothing when it comes to Zapmolcuno. Sure, a manga scan would be even better, but if we don't have one, we might as well keep that fan sprite. --Shiningpikablu252 19:29, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Wobbuffet's Bro

I'd just leave him unblocked for now. It may have been inadvertent that he replaced the page with that. Here's how: copied the entry off Wikipedia, forgot he had copied it, pasted it and hit save before he saw what he had done. He thought he was pasting someone else. I'd give him another chance. --ニョロトノ666 19:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd already decided not to reblock. By the time you read this, the autoblock should also be down. --Shiningpikablu252 19:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


why did you delete chapa its my only page i have created apart from my userpage???!!!

Because fan creations are not notable in the main namespace. If we allowed fan creations in the main namespace, Bulbapedia would be rampant with them and become one huge mess as one tries to sort canon from fanon. --Shiningpikablu252 01:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
And Fan fictions are no longer allowed in the Mainspace either.Sorry--DCM((TalkContributions))


Should the movies also have the "In Other Languages Section"?--☆Coolピカチュウ! 01:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why they shouldn't.
Of course, I'd ask some other sysops first on this issue. The movies are not exactly my area of expertise...--Shiningpikablu252 02:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Okay but I can't find any other admin online.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Stormfront, Part 2

I've found the product information sheet. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that it's Intense Fight. Dusknoir and Regigigas are featured, Dusknoir LV.X and Machamp LV.X are mentioned, and Gyarados and Tyranitar are confirmed as the main feature Pokémon of the theme decks. Everything fits, even the dual Trainer cards. Cipher 10:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Everything's all set to go. --Shiningpikablu252 16:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Awesome. You think we can get rid of the alternate translation now? Cipher 16:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Eh, I think we should hold on for a bit. If we dropped it now, it's possible Sunain might come out of hiding and try to outright purge the IFDS name from the article, especially since I just unprotected it. The alternate translation can be dropped from the article itself when you think it's fully safe to do so; its redirect stays. --Shiningpikablu252 16:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Aye, that's the wisest thing to do. I'll give it a few weeks, see if she turns up. If not, I'll remove it, 'cos it's just unnecessary. On that note, I've changed the infobox on Stormfront as necessary. Cipher 16:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Lay off

I'm new here, so give me a break for god's sake. I'll change it now, so you can stop dogging on me. I had apologized to you, but I guess you looked at my page and got agrivated. You might think I'm lying about my shinies, I assure you that I have them, now quit trying to get me banned. User:Xknight 511

While we are at it

Would it be possible to incorporate the Moonlight Pursuit/Dawn Dash article into their English translation sets? The way it is now makes it look like they are seperate sets, but they really aren't. Also, that template will be getting bigger and bigger as time goes on and I am trying to look for more ways to condense the size of it. MoldyOrange 18:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll look into it, but I can't really see it being possible. If Great Encounters was entirely Moonlit Pursuit and Majestic Dawn was entirely Dawn Dash, then it'd be possible, but I think it's better as it is than trying to split it up. Cipher 19:25, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap!

You're officially the top contributor on Bulbapedia! And you made nearly 3000 edits last month! Fantastic! --ニョロトノ666 02:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


I'm sorry about my sig problem. I was just getting used to the standards here. Can you ever forgive me? (This is a nicer version of my previous message) --☆X-Knight☆511♂ 19:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, those comments I made were for the best. Heeding warnings is probably one of the best things a new contributor can possibly do.
For the record, no, I don't have any of your alternate-colored Pokémon. --Shiningpikablu252 20:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Can you delete the tag I just made? Sorry. BTW, are we friends now? --☆X-Knight☆511♂ 20:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Shiningpikablu252 20:13, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I uhhh think it's best if I didn't have the tag. You see, I am not a girl, not to be picky. BTW, are we allowed to make personal tags?

Oh, and if you're not my friend, just say it so that I may stop asking you. :) --☆X-Knight☆511♂ 20:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I made some minor customization modifications. Swap in a picture using the first field, and a different size using the second field. For example, if you still want a good-size Machoke, put it in as {{:User:Shiningpikablu252/Black|067.png|50}}.

Thanks. --☆X-Knight☆511♂ 20:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Why, exactly, are you doing that? The moves are misspelled; that's why I went through and corrected them all in the first place. The CamelCse is the appropriate spelling. Why are you removing it? --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 07:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

No, the stuff such as "SolarBeam" and "ThunderPunch" are wrong. The first Mystery Dungeon was the first game to case-sensitize names, and they did everything correctly. Stuff such as "FlameThrower", "BubbleBeam", "PickUp", and "BlackGlasses" are wrong, and anything that says that is in error; they are, always have been, and always will be correctly Flamethrower, Bubblebeam, Pickup, and Blackglasses.
Furthermore, why did you change the correct "Mr. Mime" back to the incorrect "Mr.Mime"? That was the primary purpose of my edits...--Shiningpikablu252 16:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Even though I don't know where this occurred, SolarBeam and ThunderPunch are correct. Of course they are. The first MD games are third-generation, so the CamelCase spellings can be considered correct as of the fourth generation. Personally, I find the notion that games as important in the Pokémon canon as DPP would get something like that wrong utterly ridiculous.
Oh, and to prove my point, Mystery Dungeon 2 uses SolarBeam and ThunderPunch as well. Has that been case-sensitized incorrectly too, then? Cipher 16:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
It's NEVER OK to capitalize something in the middle of a word that's not a proper name. Moves, abilities, items, and the like are not considered proper names. The only way capitalizing the fourth B in Bubblebeam would be considered correct would be if it were "Bubble Beam". Trust me, any error like "SolarBeam" will never stick. --Shiningpikablu252 16:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The Mr. Mime thing was an accident. I hit undo to your edits, as I couldn't see any changes other than removing the CamelCase. I apologize.
And if you really do believe that, I don't think this is the best way to go about it. You should be discussing these things with the other admins, not just passively-aggressively removing links to them. Open a dialogue if you really want to get things done.
Finally, I'd just like to point out that I'm with Cipher on this one (obviously). And I'd also like to point out that it IS Flamethrower, not FlameThrower. Same with Superpower. Those two always throw me off because they're actual words, not condensations of two words. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 16:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
CamelCase in those specific instances is correct. Don't ask me why the game did it like that. But we do it according to the games, and well, that's what they say. TTEchidna 05:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Concerning Link Templates

Thank you for correcting PS030. When I wrote it I was mostly trying to accent my és and get a synopsis out there. Here is the newest page of manga that I have written. I think that it is finished (apart from the missing image), and the link templates should be correct. I was wondering if you could take a quick look at it and make sure I'm not missing anything. Thanks --RexRacer 02:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I've already corrected what was needed. --Shiningpikablu252 03:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


i cant help but notice you didnt use the "Type2" template... -- MAGNEDETH 22:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


Go to Main Page talk for important info--KukiTalk 15:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

A celebrity blog is just as prone to errors as a wiki is. The articles remain at "James's". --Shiningpikablu252 15:10, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Trainer's Pokémon Notability

If we protected Tucker's Pokémon, what about protecting Jimmy's Beedrill and Little Pink?--KukiTalk 19:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Granted. Of course, there's chances we'll have to de-disambig Pink...--Shiningpikablu252 19:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

But when it's decided that one or both of them get deleted, can I move their trivia to their trainers' pages?--KukiTalk 19:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

If you think we should delete them, then we should delete Drew's Butterfree and Harley's Ariados, Octillery, or Wigglytuff. --ケンジガール 20:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There will be no direct deletions over these notability disputes. Anything deemed not of notability quality will be redirected to their respective trainer's article. For example, if Jimmy's Beedrill loses its battle, it'll be redirected to Jimmy (Johto)#Pokémon.
Given how Harley's Ariados is more notable than Harley's Octillery who in turn is more notable than Harley's Wigglytuff, if Harley's Ariados is said to be non-notable, all three get turned into redirects.
Drew's Butterfree has already recieved this treatment. If Harley's Ariados or Octillery have their notability called into question, a case against Drew's Absol could be made as well. --Shiningpikablu252 22:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Preparation for tomorrow

Since POP Series 8 is coming out tomorrow, there will be a couple of things we need to do. First off, it is highly likely that these cards will be coming from the DP-P Promotional cards. I am sending this message to anyone who would probably be the ones making the cards. Make sure that the articles aren't already made under the DP-P promo name, we can just move these and revise and it will be a lot less work. Also, the disambig's. will need to be changed, and redirects will need to be created. Just saying this so that everyone knows what is going on and that the couple of pages might already be named under something else. MoldyOrange 22:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


Some non-admin users are able to block admins like you...did they hack into the account or something? Because I had looked on the Block User log and you HAD BEEN blocked multiple times, and so did Politoed666 and Unown Lord. What's with that?--☆Tavisource 02:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think you're reading it wrong. The first name that appears is the user who did the blocking. The name afterwards is the blockee. --ケンジガール 02:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I think so...I really sick, so my eyes might be messing around, because I can see it clearly now. But I'm pretty sure I've read an article here about people being able to hack in and blck other users...that, I was fully conscious and I wasn't sick that time.--☆Tavisource 02:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't recall any instances of non-sysops hacking into the system to block users. Not on Bulbapedia, at least. There have been sysops who've left Bulbapedia and no longer have the power, though.
And if you see what you think is a sysop's name as the blockee as opposed to the blocker, odds are the actual blockee is a vandal impersonating that sysop. Such action, as well as impersonation of other good-faith users, tends to be one of the MOs of known or alleged JohnnyRebel sockpuppets, using either intentional misspellings or system flaws. I should know, I was impersonated on that initial spree (though I wasn't evne close to having sysop powers at the time)...--Shiningpikablu252 02:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
That's tricky...that would also take so many e-mail accounts! It's unbelievable how people actually have the time to do that.--☆Tavisource 04:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
With access to a web server, it's possible to make your own e-mail addresses... I have a personal website on a free webhosting server, and there's the ability to create e-mail accounts in there (I'm limited to 100 different e-mail addresses). Someone with access to something like that could theoretically make as many accounts as they liked here. Of course, it does make them rather easy to track, since every e-mail account would end in "". -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 12:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
And Re: what you said about a non-sysop user blocking another, I think you may be referring to a user who withdrew their e-mail address from a sibling's account, I saw that on someone's talk somewhere, forget whose. Theininen 21:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I remember that whole incident well. Frazer Ketchum withdrawing brother Sailor Earth's e-mail address (which does not show up on the block logs), then bragging about it and taking joy in someone else's misery. Frazer Ketchum was himself blocked for infinite shortly afterward for intimidating behavior/harassment, and Sailor Earth eventually found a way back on (but ultimately had to abandon the account due to technical problems). --Shiningpikablu252 21:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Platinum Froniter

How do I add the medal they have so it wont appear as "[[Medal#{{{symbol}}}|{{{symbol}}}]]"?--☆Coolピカチュウ! 22:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't add the same question three times.
As for the problem at hand, try simply putting the text you need into the "medal=" field in the character infobox. --Shiningpikablu252 23:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
OKay. And the the 3 times thing was my computor acting up so it put it 3 times....--☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hold on, I think I may have made a mistake. The field is not "medal" and most certainly not "metal", but "symbol". --Shiningpikablu252 23:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't Touch That 'Dile

"Totodile" is a proper noun. "Dile" is a contraction of it. Contractions of proper nouns do get capitalized when it comes to proper English. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 23:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

But the titles of episodes are reflectant of the title card. That episode's title card said "Don't Touch That 'dile", So that is the correct title. MoldyOrange 23:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, the title card is wrong then. It's not my fault that the people who translate the episodes don't understand that proper nouns do get capitalized. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 23:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The only time we go against the title card is if the title card has an outright blatant error. No capitalization in "dile" is not a blatant error. --Shiningpikablu252 23:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
How is "Dile" not a proper noun? A contraction of a proper noun is a proper noun itself. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 00:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


I've linked the pages to their respecive cities because another admin said it wasn't a bad idea.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid that sysop didn't know exactly where those titles were linked. The titles of chapters in Zensho, except for the Prologue, are named after where they largely take place, and that's why those links bore those names. Simply put, chapter 2 in Zensho is called "Nibi City", and Nibi City (Zensho) should NOT redirect to Pewter City for that very reason. Do you understand my drift? --Shiningpikablu252 00:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes and thxs.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 02:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Good bye Adminators

I adapt cannot me here. It forgives me, but I will leave my email in the Bulbapedia here, only that I will come back to see the news! I cannot be without making nothing, I am inexperienced and all time that I try to help, they remove! Good bye, Pokedigo

Tjhis is where it goes--DCM((TalkContributions))
bye good, pokedigo. miss you will i. i sorry am cannot you adapt here. glad you that will come back see to news the! --ニョロトノ666 00:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Wha? TTEchidna 00:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, he'll probably come back like the last time.--☆Tavisource 00:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
LOL --ニョロトノ666 00:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
See, told you come he'll back!--☆Tavisource 00:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Appendix pages

Should they be categorized? --ニョロトノ666 00:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Do they show up in "uncategorized <anything>"? --Shiningpikablu252 02:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I would assume so, they Appendix pages show up in the wanted pages and those two pages use sort of the same concept. MoldyOrange 02:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'd probably give them unique categories if anything.
However, I'd also advise asking someone else for their take on the issue. If they say the Appendix namespace should not be categorized by default, I wouldn't force anyone to do so. --Shiningpikablu252 02:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I smell a coming edit war, so I'll get straight to the point.

We have separate pages for Ash in his human form, and his Pikachu form. Thus, it would seem inconsistant to not do the same for Baron Alberto. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 19:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Ash is a main character. Merging Ashley and Ashachu into the article would make the article way too big, plus the fact that both alternations had major impacts makes these alternations notable.
Baron Alberto is basically a character of the day. Any forms he takes can be decently covered in his article without making it too big. His own Lickilicky--which is assumed is what Baron Alberto transformed into, since Baron Alberto was only in Lickilicky form while the real Lickilicky under the effects of Dark Void--is not notable for its own article, hence there shouldn't be a separate article for Baron Alberto as a Lickilicky. This alternation, in addition, didn't have a particularly large impact to make it notable enough for its own article.
In closing: We're not splitting Baron Alberto's article. Whatever can be covered about the Lickilicky form can be decently done so in the Baron Alberto article. And don't go using the "we have this, so we should have that" argument--all it does is lead to flame wars and mass protections. --Shiningpikablu252 19:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I guess I see the point. Sorry about that. Won't happen again. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 19:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and you can unprotect Ashachu now. I'm dropping the matter. Poor judgement on my part, really. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 19:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

BTW, no change in protection level for Ashachu--KukiTalk 19:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I set timers. I decided to set timers as a just-in-case measure. --Shiningpikablu252 19:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Today's episodes

Any info yet?--KukiTalk 20:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've got some very big info for you on today's episode(s). There aren't any today. Next week is the DP094/DP095 double bill, which also serves as the last stands for Together and Message of the Wind. --Shiningpikablu252 20:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought they were today, DARN IT!--KukiTalk 20:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

A Gallery

I added a pic of May's Glaceon in its egg, and now I think it's time for a gallery, can u do it please--KukiTalk 19:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


Is there any specific procedure for splitting an article (I'm thinking of splitting the Pokémon Ranger (trainer class) page into a page about the class and a page about the Ranger characters)? It doesn't seem like there would be any way to preserve page history in the process, but if there is, I'd better know about it before I begin.

Also, do you think it's appropriate to make the split I mentioned? --((Marton imos)) 22:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd usually just create the new article, then clear out the necessary information from the original article.
Of course, that's just my take. That may not be the proper split method; I'd ask TTEchidna for his take on the process before going ahead. --Shiningpikablu252 22:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sinnoh Dex

Can u move it to Sinnoh Pokédex?--KukiTalk 22:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I was in the process of doing just that when you dropped the line...--Shiningpikablu252 22:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You edited my page

Did you have to do that? You screwed a couple of things up. Do you mind if I undo it?--RexRacer 03:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

What exactly did I do that you claim that I "screwed up"? --Shiningpikablu252 14:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Well, you made it so that it says that I have completed the National PokéDex, when I haven't. You also put stars next to my favorite Pokémon, and I do know that that is the template, but I tweaked it a bit. I don't see why the edit was needed. --RexRacer 20:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The edit was needed because you had copied-and-pasted tag code exactly to the point where your userpage was categorized as a usertag. That's why I made the edit in the first place.
If you had been a bit more careful in the first place, then maybe this might not have happened. Try to be more careful in the future. --Shiningpikablu252 20:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
The templates are in categories such as Category:Favorite tags, etc. When you copy-paste the entire coding instead of just the tag, you're adding your userpage to these categories by mistake as well. If you want to customize the tag for your userpage, that's fine, but make sure to remove the categories and "template only" coding from it first. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 21:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Question (Pre-release template)

When the card information comes from the official TCG website, which is more appropriate to link? Go-Poké or Go-Poké Surely the latter? It's not notable enough for its own page here. Cipher 20:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no problems with it being tagged either way. --Shiningpikablu252 20:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
But maybe change the link's name you put in. Most other websites have their pages on here as "Website" and not "". So maybe just link to "Go-Pokémon"? MoldyOrange 21:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
And why wouldn't the official Japanese card website not be notable? If anything, it is more notable than the English websites, it has more information that we use and it is one of the official websites, there aren't very many of those. MoldyOrange 21:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Although I fail to see how it is "more notable" than the English-language website, I definitely think it should be considered a viable source. It is official, after all. --ニョロトノ666 21:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying it's not a viable source. Of course it is, I use it all the time. My point was that the official sites don't need wiki pages and that it was best to simply link to them. That's all... Cipher 12:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Hippopotas (anime)

Why did you revert my edit? User talk page comments can't be removed without asking the commenter, so why should it be any different for regular talk page comments? --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 01:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

If a comment is more fit for the forums, then sysops or other trusted users take out the comments that belong on the forums. That's the reason the comment in question (basically someone wishing Ash was going to soon capture the Hippopotas) was removed in the first place, although the summary didn't state it. --Shiningpikablu252 01:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Template:IQ

Please consult with me before deleting this page. I was in the middle of working on an expansion of the IQ skills sections of Bulbapedia, which I'm starting to get the impression that it is unwelcome. KelvSYC 01:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You've got three sysops saying that pages for individual IQ skills are not notable. Information on all IQ skills can and will go on one page. Odds are that, if you fight three sysops, you'll lose. Yes, we could use expansion on IQ skill information within reasonable means--such means are expanding the existing lists or adding a new list on IQ, NOT giving each skill an individual page. The template was deleted because its only purpose was to link to pages for each individual IQ skill, pages that would quickly be deleted for being non-notable.
I hope you understand what we sysops are doing. While we'd support the expansion of the lists of IQ skills, what you're insisting on doing is going too far. --Shiningpikablu252 01:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think any of you have played MD2. Not all Pokémon learn all IQ skills in that game. While you could have gotten away with it in the first game by putting everything on one page, you can't as easily in MD2. Furthermore, you and these two other sysops are posing as a disincentive to make a massive addition such as this. Thus, I assert that you and the other two sysops are acting in bad faith, and are actively preventing me from making any significant additions. If that is the case, I can always pack up and contribute to some other Pokémon wiki that will appreciate these efforts. KelvSYC 02:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, then maybe you should have discussed your ideas with the sysops BEFORE you made any reversions and got into this edit war. Trying to force sysops to agree with you is not the way things get done around here, and such force will probably make such sysops less likely to agree with you. Honestly, if something I did was reverted for being a bad idea, I'd consult with people before re-implementing that idea, in case it turns out it really was a bad idea. --Shiningpikablu252 02:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so Bulbapedia is not, in fact, a wiki, and that every edit that I make have to go through some "approval process" before making it into these hallowed pages. That's a load of bunk. Again, I contend all three of you are acting in bad faith. Honestly, I probably won't contribute here until I get a full written apology, and believe me there are still lots of faults with how it is now. That's how much of a disincentive you are making it to edit here. KelvSYC 02:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Bulbapedia =/= Wikipedia -- MAGNEDETH 02:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it's pretty evident that it isn't, judging from how the sysops handle things here. Apparently, sysops can make arbitrary deletions without warning here, for one. At least on Wikipedia they give you the courtesy of civil discussion first. KelvSYC 02:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I lol'd. TTEchidna 19:45, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
That's why it's discussed BEFORE posting. (sorry, Shiningpikablue232!) ht14 02:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia is based on true, hard facts, with citations and all that jive. we derive our information straight from the games. if its wrong, its wrong. now, we do allow some room for argument, but, if something isnt wrong but maybe not overly notable, it get relegated to sysop review, and put in its place. as i said, THIS IS NOT WIKIPEDIA. -- MAGNEDETH 02:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Common wikiquette (and just publishing anything, for that matter) states that peer discussion comes after posting. The admins did not do so - they just simply deleted it, and made it as if I had never made these changes. That's what they call poor ethics in most circles. But it's clear that Bulbapedia is not a wiki in the true sense. Users don't have the freedom to edit without a sysop watching over their shoulder - if anything this is telling me that Bulbapedia is no more than a Serebii or Smogon clone - except with loyalty being rewarded with the actual ability to make constructive edits. The disincentive to make a useful contribution here is in conflict with Bulbapedia's mission statement. At least on Wikipedia ordinary users tell you after the changes why it wasn't a good idea, and you can engage in useful debate – the onus is on the editor to revert the changes in good faith. Here, you don't have that luxury - it's just "X is not notable enough, don't argue with us" and "Heil Sysop". Sysops will actively push you to pull the trigger and make some stupid statement before they even afford the ability of civil discussion. That's promoting community spirit for you. KelvSYC 03:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

One thing, do this when starting a new comment (:). Moving on. As stated many, MANY, MANY times before, this ISN'T WIKI. We already established that. And besides, we're debating now, aren't we? ht14 03:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
This is "debating after all hell has broken loose". That's not civil discussion - you need to debate before all hell breaks loose. Bulbapedia doesn't have "debate". All it has is a trigger-happy deletionist sysop clique and an editorial process that's in no way transparent or accountable. KelvSYC 03:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
That's because you chose to have all hell break loose first and debate afterward. You'd be surprised how differently-toned a conversation would look if one would have chosen to debate first and then let all hell break loose if it came to that. --Shiningpikablu252 03:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
So, did you debate before letting hell break loose and deleting all my hard work? I didn't think so. You should practice what you preach. KelvSYC 04:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
How could he know all hell would break loose when you didn't approach him about this project until after the fact? --((Marton imos)) 04:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know... how about asking first before pulling the trigger? KelvSYC 04:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
so on that basis, if a vandal attacks, i should ask him if its ok to revert his edits? "excuse me Ph34r, but, can you cite resources why you changed Bulbasaur's name to "Dumbsaur"?" -- MAGNEDETH 04:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that what he's asking is for you to know in advance what Ph34r will do, then ask him to cite his sources for what he's about to vandalize. --((Marton imos)) 05:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)::::
And vandalism is the same how? Besides, vandals are at least warned with a short blurb saying something relating to the sandbox. I made an honest edit and all I got was a vague one-liner. KelvSYC 05:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


can you delete User:Mooites/Anime Team Predictions for me? --Mooites Talk to me, baby! 02:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Kenji-girl got to it before you made the request. --Shiningpikablu252 02:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not to be rude

This is now Section 122... just trying to put an idea in your head. MoldyOrange 01:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Not until it comes up on my schedule. It'll be soon, though, trust me...--Shiningpikablu252 01:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Threat

It's been long since decided that a calculation like that on the Bone Rush attack is not notable for the article.

Then it would be a good idea to show me where that was decided, no?

Do we state that Geodude from Fossil's average attack damage is 10 in a separate section?

"It hasn't been done before" is not an acceptable reason not to do something, unless it's been previously been brought up and failed.

No, we don't, because attack calculations are not notable unless they have a major impact on the game (such as a format ban).

Notability is not a condition for adding information, only for creating articles.

If we were to keep the section you've been insistent on adding onto this card article, we'd have to add that section onto ALL cards with damaging attacks and state their average damages. If we were to put down that Wooper from EX Unseen Forces had an average damage of 10 for its first attack and 20 for its second in a completely separate section, that would make things confusing indeed.

That's a slippery slope argument. As I noted before, the average damage in this particular case is not easy to determine by the target audience of this wiki (i.e. not everyone who comes here knows calculus).

Case in point: That section you're insistent on adding is completely unnecessary.

Why is it unnecessary? There are many definitions of "unnecessary", and the one you seem to be using is that it tells people specifics about how an obscure and mostly-useless card works. In that case, is the damage calculation less necessary than listing the HP, weakness, resistance, retreat cost, type, and energy cost? After all, they're stated information, not derived information.

Please don't put that section back onto that article or any other article, or else you may find yourself on the outside looking in.

I tried to resolve the conflict with you (because a wiki should not be guided by "winning" or "losing", but agreement) and you ignored me for whatever reason. I waited long enough so that you would be on Bulbapedia and editing, and I assumed that you had nothing more to say on the matter.
As for your threat, a major principle of a wiki is collaboration. Even as an admin you are not empowered to make decisions about content policy, only enforce them. Unless you can show me where this decision was made, you shouldn't enforce it.

The way I see it, I'm pro-obscure-info and you're anti-clutter. Of course, you can make up your own labels which are more supportive of your cause, but I would probably dispute them. --Raijinili 08:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't plan on adding the section back in anyway, not until the dispute is resolved --Raijinili 08:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The case in the Bone Rush attack on the Lucario in question is a very similar case to the attack on the Geodude in question. It doesn't matter exactly how the average is calculated, average damages for each attack are not notable to be on the pages.
And the entire dispute was resolved a long time back. The section doesn't belong. --Shiningpikablu252 15:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I moved it back up because it was a continuation of the previous discussion.
The case in the Bone Rush attack on the Lucario in question is a very similar case to the attack on the Geodude in question.
Which, once again, doesn't matter if the Geodude in question was never involved in a similar dispute. I already responded to this with "just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean we shouldn't do it."
...average damages for each attack are not notable to be on the pages.
Which, once again, doesn't matter because notability isn't a specific condition of adding content to pages, only adding pages to the wiki. To say that it's "not notable enough to be on the page" assumes that there's a point at which things are notable enough to be on pages, and that's not part of the criteria for adding content to pages so the whole premise fails.
And the entire dispute was resolved a long time back.
You've said that already. I've challenged it already. You ignored my challenge and claim once again that it was "resolved" without, once again, showing me where it was resolved.
--Raijinili 04:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I asked you two times to show me where it was decided that Geodude's damage calculation didn't belong. You ignore me and then threaten me when I add it back. I can only assume that you are lying about the "decision". --Raijinili 08:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I went to TTEchidna about this, so you know. --Raijinili 08:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Damage calculations have never belonged on card articles unless one has had a huge impact on the metagame. We don't even list the 2320 damage possibility on Omastar from Neo Discovery, which is believed to have the current non-infinite highest maximum damage calculation around, mainly because it's not a metagame-changer (Pokébeach had it as a trivia question once, but most of the poll takers were fooled and Pokébeach even described the method wrong). If we don't list that, there's no reason we should list average damages on a flip-to-tails attack with a 10× or 30× base damage (and, by extension, all damaging attacks in the entire TCG). End of story. --Shiningpikablu252 15:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Once again, bringing up examples in which it's never been an issue doesn't prove what you want it to prove. By your logic, we should've never added the Diamond and Pearl Pokémon in the first place because they haven't been added before. Precedent means nothing unless a decision was actively made. Your examples show no sign of an edit conflict and resolution. And you still haven't shown me where it's been brought up before. --Raijinili 23:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


What's the point of Shipping, anyways? How does it benefit Bulbapedia? It just wastes space...there's no main purpose for shipping on a Pokémon Encyclopedia. Who started it annyways?...sorry, if I'm offending some people, but shipping doesn't really help anything on Bulbapedia...that's what I think...what about everyone else?--Tavisource 04:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

There is a reason we stuck it in its own namespace instead of putting the pages with the main ones. I think they're fine as long as they're kept isolated like that. --((Marton imos)) 23:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
But what's the use of putting it in a site made as an encyclopedia? You get what I mean?--Tavisource 00:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Probably because some of them currently have a very large following, and some others once had a very large following, but has since fallen off due to the times (sometimes to the point where a once-popular shipping becomes a dead shipping). --Shiningpikablu252 03:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
So we should do a clean-up once in a while, getting rid of all the shippings that are useless...there are millions of chacters in Pokemon, which make billions of shippings...not good...too many--Tavisource 03:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, outright-useless ones usually get cleaned off right away, usually due to a combination of lack of "evidence" and low popularity. --Shiningpikablu252 03:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
...Luckily; all these shippings are driving me crazy...but I do like PearlShipping and SapphireShipping...look at the last section of Moldy orange's page.--Tavisource 03:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


Gotta speak with you. Got AIM or something I can contact you over? TTEchidna 02:39, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Correspondence will have to be through e-mail. --Shiningpikablu252 02:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


I've been getting harassed by Jmath, and now,in a letter he sent me, is threatening to get me an infinite block on BP, and I'm sick of him. This started over Dragonite pic, and I'm trying to tell him that a pic in its most recent appearance is better, but he won't stop reverting it. Please, I can't take him anymore, HELP ME!--KukiTalk 16:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you send me the offending material? I want to keep a secure channel, so I'm requesting you do it through a PM on the forums. Same username, except all lowercase. --Shiningpikablu252 16:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Can't now, the schoolbell just rang, so I gotta get to class--KukiTalk 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about, Kuki? I didn't send you anything. Stop blaming me for something I didn't do. Jmath 19:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Would you like to PM me your side of the story, Jmath? Same forum contact info applies. --Shiningpikablu252 19:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


How exactly did I "break every shipping redirect"? --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Template:Shipping redirect caused all shipping redirects to display this code in the area where the link to the matching page in the Shipping namespace should be:
By making that edit, you made sure that every single one of our 0 shipping redirects did not reach their intended destinations. For example, instead of being able to get to Shipping:CommonerShipping, the CommonerShipping shipping redirect was left linked to only the two characters involved. Other shipping redirects, such as History of Pokémon shipping, were made dead-end pages (of which $1 should be the only page in the list).
Had your edit been allowed to stand, shipping traffic would have ground to a standstill since the shipping redirects wouldn't work. Templates are sensitive things, and reckless edits to them could cause side effects for all of Bulbapedia. --Shiningpikablu252 21:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it is kinda hard working with templates on MediaWiki sites. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 22:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you archive this page

It's 153 kilobytes long! You should definitely archive it. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 22:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I archive on a set schedule regardless of length. --Shiningpikablu252 22:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
If you would have read a couple sections up, you would have already seen it. MoldyOrange 22:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Which section? --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 22:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
"Not to be rude", started by me for the same reason. Just let people archive things when they want. MoldyOrange 22:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Then, to ShiningPikablu: Going by your scheduele, when will this page be archived? --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 22:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Try noticing a pattern in my archives. --Shiningpikablu252 22:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
My guess is October 7th.--Blazevoir!! 23:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Are you...?

...Starting to get a bit pissed with the sheer volume of unqualified users being nominated for administratorship? --ニョロトノ666 20:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, as long as TTEchidna knows they're not quite ready for the power, we should be fine. --Shiningpikablu252 20:43, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Poli, let me ask you something: why do you always only look at the number of contributions when voting on nominees? Quality over quantity, right? If a user is good and fits the profile, why does it matter if he's done 500 or 5000 edits to the mainspace? The minimum limit was set at a certain number - that should be enough. There are users with a million edits who could never make good admins in a million years, and there are users who would make amazing admins even with "only" 500 edits. --electAbuzzzz 20:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, quality is important. However, volume is too, and the sheer number of PsychicRider's edits are reverts. I'll vote for him when he tops 1000 contribs. As for other users, I haven't noticed much quality in the edits of many of those nominated. --ニョロトノ666 20:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Special

Should there be one page on a notable pokemon that a charcter owns for example Red's Pika and Saur have thier own pages should Saur stay? So like can page like Sapphire's Torchic be made?--Coolピカチュウ! 03:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The notability lines for Pokémon in Special are a bit foggy at the moment. It's hard to tell where to draw it; however, Pika and Saur are believed to fall within the notability boundaries no matter where the line is drawn. (Chuchu is in a gray area; the Red Gyarados article represents multiple canons where all multiple Generation II versions, including one from Special, are represented.)
I'd advise waiting until the notability lines are clearly drawn. Even then, concerning Sapphire's Torchic, you'd be best off creating the article at a nickname and covering all evolution stages--it did evolve all the way to Blaziken, you know. --Shiningpikablu252 04:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I know that it evolved all the way to Blaziken and so I'll wait for the notability lines so far I've only read half of the RBYG sega and all of the Emerald and a little of the GSC and mosr of the RS sega.--Coolピカチュウ! 04:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


Browsing your page and I noticed the... new tag. My condolences for your family's loss. --ニョロトノ666 19:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Odd template problem

Well, as you may know, I'm awful with coding. So, I can't tell why this page is showing up as blank and uncategorized, despite the fact that it clearly has material in it when you edit it/view the source. Care to give it a shot? --ニョロトノ666 18:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Entry Packs

Right, so Pokémon Card Game DP had an Entry Pack. Now, the DPt series has an Entry Pack. Problem is, they're both called "Entry Pack", so as I've created the new one on Entry Pack DPt (TCG), would it be an idea to move the original from Entry Pack (TCG) to Entry Pack DP (TCG)? This won't include the 2008 Entry Packs, obviously. Cipher 13:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a disambig at simply Entry Pack. I'd say keep Entry Pack (TCG) where it is. If you think the name might stir confusion, you could probably try adding this header info to Entry Pack (TCG):
This article is about the original Entry Pack. For other Entry Packs, see Entry Pack.
This would link back to the disambig listing all Entry Packs. --Shiningpikablu252 15:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea, I'll add that in. Cipher 16:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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