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Intense Fight in the Destroyed Sky
I'll say this once - refrain from moving this page or further action will be taken the next time you do it. There are two reasons for the set being on that page:
- It's the most accurate translation (in other words, it's the set name).
- Even if you disagree, PokéBeach calls it IFDS. We do not want to cause confusion within the community.
If you don't like it, then you'll just have to be patient. Chances are we'll know the English name in a couple of months, so you'll just have to wait until then. Regards, Cipher 07:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Your changes has been reported to zhenlin, considering he, tss and I all discussed the translation of this title a while back. Copying Pokebeach's incorrect translations will not be tolerated. The english titles have no place in a Japanese translations as they are almost always different. Modifying pages without doing the research yourself is not a good idea. Just because 'other sites' post the information doesn't mean it's right.
- I'm gonna be kind for now and will ask one thing of you. You absolutely cannot deny that the best-known name of the set is IFDS. It's used on PokéBeach and the PokéGym, so the vast, vast majority of people on here know it as that, and you can't deny that. I ask that you refrain from changing the set's page at all (keeping the names as IFDS) until we've sorted this ridiculous thing out. I think that's fair, don't you?
- Oh, and if you're so certain that it's not the right name, ask WPM for a retranslation. Bangiras is an excellent translator and I'm sure she'd be more than happy to have another look at the Japanese name. Cipher 18:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Copying incorrect translations will not be tolerated. The english titles have no place in a Japanese translations as they are almost always different. Modifying pages without doing the research yourself is not a good idea. Just because 'other sites' post the information doesn't mean it's right.
(激闘 【げきとう】 gekitou (n,vs) fierce fighting) has been used as the translations for: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/AG164 http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/AG131 http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/DP078
<&Sunain> 破空の激闘 <&Sunain> Fierce Fighting of the ? <&zhenlin> 破 = broken, 空 = space/sky - make of that what you will... <&Sunain> "Fierce Fighting in Broken Space"
- For goodness' sakes, I heard you the first time. Cipher 18:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Pokébeach cannot be blatantly wrong every time. Just because they used the blatantly wrong "Moon Hunting" and "Night Dashing" for Japan DP4 does not mean all of their translations are blatantly wrong.
For starters, we're still using the translations they used for Japan DP5--Temple of Anger and Cry from the Mysterious--just in the opposite order (Cry, then Anger as opposed to Anger, then Cry). If they were blatantly wrong, they would have been changed before the name Legends Awakened was revealed for the English set.
Additionally, try reading a recent comment on my talk page--you'll see just why "Intense Fight in the Destroyed Sky" CANNOT be considered blatantly wrong. Unless Zhen Lin himself says otherwise, knowing that Pokébeach's translation is not blatantly wrong, the page stays at Intense Fight in the Destroyed Sky. --Shiningpikablu252 20:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
- I did oops. I'm sorry I won't take them again. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 01:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- For the record, if you really don't want people stealing your anime screenshots, I'd suggest watermarking or sitestamping them. This way, if anyone tries to upload them onto the Archives, we'll know right away it's from #pocketmonsters and take action, similar to how action is taken on people who upload Pokébeach's TCG scans onto the Archives. Of course, it's just a suggestion, you don't actually have to do anything...--Shiningpikablu252 16:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I have a question
Did you only make an account here so you can go trolling around to see if we took any of your things? You could try helping us you know. Your translations would do a good deal for Bulbapedia. But no... You don't want to. Sorry if this sounds rude, but I wanted to speak my mind for a while now. --ケンジのガール 03:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've had an account on Bulbapedia since it was created. I don't troll and resent the fact that you suggest that I am doing so. Your very post is the reason why we have taken this stance against people using our content without credit. We work hard to produce content for the Pokemon community and all they ever do is complain. I'm just reporting issues that are against the Bulbapedia's rules. Please familiarize yourself with: Integration of content from other websites.
- I helped out in the past but Bulbapedia has turned into a leech and copy and paste fest instead of creating quality content. I have attempted to help out in the past and reported consistency errors, but as you can see from the above talk page and other logs throughout the site, the number of noobies and unmoderated articles on Bulbapedia has substantially increased to the point that it has fallen and it some of its users have developed a form of Wikipedia Syndrome. A simple look at the Recent Changes log indicates the amount of foolishness that occurs here now. Between these reasons and the fact that we absolutely hate wiki markup language (should have just used html) is why do not want our content being copied. --Sunain 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- While I agree that there's way too many noobs who don't read the MOS, you can hardly paint it all with the same brush, especially since I strive to keep it as far from becoming TOW as I can. I can't watch every one of the nearly 15,000 articles on my own you know.
- And wiki markup is...
- I'm just having a hard time understanding that you want to help Bulbapedia, yet you freak out anytime someone takes your stuff without permission. First of all, those screenshots don't belong to anyone. They belong to Pokémon. And I think you should realize that when you post things on the internet, people are bound to use them for there own purposes. If you don't want people to take your screenshots or translations, then don't post them in the first place. For the most part, Bulbapedia writes their own articles. We "copy and paste" very little and I am insulted that your label us all as lazy. Sometimes we want a little break. Not everyone here speaks Japanese. I believed that using translations made by another user of Bulbapedia wounldn't be a problem but I guess I was wrong. Yes its true, people should ask for your translations first, but hey, that's the way the cookie crumbles.
- Do you have any idea how much stuff I post here with out recieving any credit? What makes you entitled to credit? I write the articles. Do I go and put my name on it? No. As a user of Bulbapedia, you have to expect not to recieve credit sometimes.
- Anyway, its a real shame that you don't want to share your abilities with us and that your taking it out on Bulbapedia for things that you have against the users... I guess your just so used to everyone telling you how glorious you are for subbing Pokémon episodes that everytime someone gives you a little critism, you throw a temper tantrum like a two year-old. Oh and removing talk page comments is against the MoS, the thing that your urging me to familiarize with... Have a nice day. --ケンジのガール 05:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- It's attitudes just like this that's what's wrong with the Pokemon community and Bulbagarden. And for this reason and many others, #Pocketmonsters has ended its affiliation with Bulbagarden. --Sunain 05:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- In all realities, taking shit outright is never good, but despite that fact, translations aren't really copyrightable. Voy Al Cine. That translation of "I'm going to the movies" is now copyright 2009 me. The translation of the same thing should really end up as the same no matter what. I don't care if it's Japanese or Spanish.
- Either way, Sunnygo, if you wanna end the affiliation, you're free to. Just make sure you tell Archaic. TTEchidna 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Talk Page Comments
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like Big Johnno, who got into an edit war with a sysop over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Pst. By the way.
It's a Magikarp. Its nickname is スシ (sushi), OT of けい (Kei). Magikarp's among very few pure Water-types ( みず ) that have 1,250,000 exp. at level 100, the only other there is is Shellder. And who would name a Shellder "sushi"? TTEchidna 10:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I have and nothing is ever done.
Everytime I edit anything for plagiarizing, its reverted even though its literally word for word. No point in bringing it to your attention anymore because you guys obviously don't care about site integrity. - unsigned comment from Sunain (talk • contribs)
I'm not "my guys." I care if it's actually an issue. If you want to prove that it's an issue I'm all ears. If you just want to stamp your feet about it, I'm not going to be able to listen. So, if you wanna talk, door's open. -- evkl (need to talk?) 19:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Grow up. Stop trying to make it look like your not the ones at fault. The original article was almost identical to the original article I wrote, word for word, as the history of the PokePark article indicates. It still has info that I originally wrote and later changed for our news article as that info was incorrect. "This feature can be unlocked after completing the first two attractions." is still on the current revision, is completely wrong and was directly copied word for word from the original news article, (http://www.pocketmonsters.net/news.php?action=article&articleid=688). Our article has since been changed to reflect the right information which is "This feature can be unlocked once the player visits Misdreavus' Photo Shop." Such blatant copying is annoying for those that work hard to create quality content. The attractions list is exactly the same as the news article and is still displayed in the same order.
Our TOS which is displayed on the bottom of every page states, "No site content, information, translations, news, images or otherwise may be reposted to any website without expression permission from the staff." and it therefore does not fall under the Collective Commons License that. We do not want articles and information we write to become part of Bulbapedia and the Collective Commons License it uses. As part of our affiliation with other websites, we allow the use of the articles we write and we share information with each other, but do not copy it. As most websites do, they refer back to the source for information which we find is an adequate way of thanking the original author for the work they did writing the article. This was not done at all on the article on Bulbapedia.
A simple diff indicates the similarity and it doesn't take more than two seconds to realize it. Bulbapedia was not founded on the principle of copying information or plagiarizing. If you guys want to have a site that has integrity, start actually creating content rather than stealing it from other sites that work hard to produce it for the community to benefit. I know Serebii has complained about these issues as well with the HeartGold and SoulSilver information and that has fallen on deaf ears. Users of Bulbagarden should be finding the information on their own, not copying the information found on other websites. #PocketMonsters ended its affiliation with Bulbagarden because of the stance the staff has taken against the improper use of information. Plagiarizing is a serious offense which staff members should be taking extremely seriously when it is reported not trying to defend themselves innocently. User:Sunain 9 December 2009
- I'm so sick of you always ripping on Bulbapedia, saying that we "plagiarize" everything. I'm not saying that there isn't any plagiarism here. But most of Bulbapedia is made up of original content that users spend hours working on. I've written many original articles that I did not copy from any website so you saying all of Bulbapedia is plagiarized is a slap in my face.
- Now in all fairness and honesty yes; I have used some of your translations from your subs at one time or another. But only to translate a sentence. And I made sure that in the edit summary that it said it was from your PM sub. And I usually go to it as a last resort if I can't figure out how to translate it myself. But I would never take something major, such as lyrics, from you. But you have to realize that many websites have the exact same translations as you do. I just happened to see it in your subtitled episode.
- And in case you haven't noticed, this is the Internet. Pokémon news gets recycled throughout the websites. Not everyone can find out about information watching Japanese television like you do. Know why? Because most don't have it. So they look to websites to gather information. Stop acting like your website is the only one that gets referenced.
- If anyone needs to grow up, it's you. evkl was trying to be nice and help you and all you did was speak rudely to him. I'm sorry, but you can't expect him to remember every little complaint that every user has sent to him. He one of the heads of Bulbagarden. Do you respond to every complaint on your website? All and all, Pokémon owns the information, not you. You just happened to write about it. People should never copy your words directly but they should be allowed to use it as a source. If someone did take an article word for word from your website, then Bulbapedia will do it's best to get to the bottom of it. --ケンジのガール 03:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)