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Red's Age

He doesn't look like 11 and especially Leaf doesn't either. Is there any source or official statement for the age? If not, how come there actually is something about the age in the articles if it's not a fact?! --nYoo 08:21, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Well, I do believe both Red and Ruby started their journey at 11 rather than 10 in Pokémon Special, but besides that, I think it might be confused. - 振霖T 10:52, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Oh, ok. But this would mean, he got older as he appears again in the FR/LG series and certainly looks older. Same applies for Green and Blue. --nYoo 15:18, 4 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Pokémon Red and Blue take place at the same time as Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. It's the exact same storyline (defeating TR, etc.) except with the Sevii Islands added. Oh, and I do think in the American RGB manuals it said that Red is 11, but I don't have any of those lying around anywhere. --Greengiant

Yes the american manuals do confirm multiple times that red is indeed 11 years old.

And Seeing as how Gold/Silver(Heartgold/SoulSilver) takes place three years after the first games, Red is at least 13-14 years old at the time of the later games.--Proctor 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

dont bring up old discussions...(Ataro 01:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC))

Optional Names Table

I think there may be something wrong with the table of optional names on this page. There are no English names and all of the Japanese names are in the same box--Shaddow Boy 9:00 PM, 3 March 2006

There's nothing wrong, only that no-one has filled in the names. - 振霖T 22:25, 20 March 2006 (CST)

When Red became a Pokemon Master

Red did not become Pokémon Master in Generation II! He became one in Generation I by beating Blue. In Generation II he must have be beaten by Lance and lose this title because he is just "Pokémon Trainer". - Maxim

Well, really, there's no clear definition of what a "pokémon master" is. Also, there is no confirmation that Red was actually beaten by Lance, considering that Red leaves the E4 after beating Blue anyway in RBY. The only confirmed trainer to defeat him is Gold. I apologize for changing it though, I copied it to edit before you changed it, then added it later.- Shaddow Boy

The proof: Pokémon Master. I think it would be more appropriate to change that last line to, "Red is no longer the champion, and Lance has become one." Considering Red's team was much better leveled than Lance's, it seems unlikely that Lance beat him out in a battle. Besides, according to the aforementioned article, whether or not he's the champ, he could still be a master-Shaddow Boy

Actually, if what I read/heard was correct, Red would still kinda be the Champion. Champion is the title given to someone who has beaten the previous Champion of that League. Which Red did. It could be that Blue/Lance (don't know which one, never finished SoulSilver) took over as Champion since Red "left his post" and went to train (who knows what he was doing) up there. I don't think Red was ever beaten but, instead was counted as quitting. Thus someone had to be an immediate Champion in his place. And no one is better for the job than the strongest Kanto Leader (Blue) or the next-door neighbor Champion (Lance). That's just my theory though. JessiPlatinum (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


Should it be noted that Red's Generation II sprite is the one from Yellow, which, in turn, was inspired by Ash? Maybe note somewhere in the article that Ash's character design is based on Red, even though they are not the same people?

SSB Do you think this bears mention? This was a "poll" of sorts conducted by Sakurai in May 1999, asking players what characters they wanted to see in Super Smash Bros if they ever made a sequel. Tied for number twelve(the middle one) is "Satoshi (Protagonist)" from the "Pocket Monsters" series. While it's true that Red's official Japanese name is actually "Redo" and not "Satoshi", this poll was taken 6 months prior to the release of Pokemon Gold and Silver, so his name hadn't been made official yet. Also, one might note that Red got more votes than did Diddy Kong, who is considered a likely character for Brawl, or Meta-Knight, who is already confirmed. ---Shaddow Boy

Are you sure that they intended that it be Red, and not Ash? Ash is the protagonist of the Pocket Monsters series, meaning the anime series.
Though I see that they did take those votes to heart, as Bowser's on top, then there's Peach, Ganondorf, and Mewtwo. Maybe they'll allow Banjo and Kazooie to be in Brawl... TTE 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The fact that Rare belongs to Microsoft, as well as Banjo's removal from Diddy Kong Racing DS, should answer your question. My quesion is, though, what would Red do if he was put in SSBM? What would his moves be?
Still, SSBB is allowing third-party characters, and Sega and Nintendo have been in talks... Plus, Rare did say something about a Banjo game coming for DS as well, so they may have removed Banjo from DKRDS in order to make it more just Diddy Kong racing, and not Rare Character Racing. TTE 03:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Pocket Monsters is also the name of the game series, pokemon is just a shortened version. Red was, at the time of the poll, the only protagonist in the video game series. It's also entirely possible that the two(Ash and Red) were not entirely distinguished as separate characters yet. Anyways, as for Red's moves, I'm not entirely sure why that's relevant to whether or not this should be mentioned, but I'll answer, I guess. Red actually has a lot of potential for a moveset if you think about it, a lot more than some characters in SSBM, anyways. Red has all of his items that he uses in the game; poke balls, for capturing opponents; the super rod, as an extended grab; Repel, which could act as a fumy shield; or... well... basically any item in the game could be given an SSB function. In addition, Red could probably pull out a pokemon for a few of his attacks. Not literally "pull out", but, for example, for his third jump, he could quickly open a poke ball, releasing a flying pokemon to use Fly and carry him upwards. For regular attacks, he would probably use a mixture of punches, kicks and various items. --- Shaddow Boy

PBR Trailer Red doesn't seem to have any role in Pokemon Battle Revolution... however, the first Pokemon Battle Revolution Trailer specifically featured Red and Leaf, rather than the 4th gen protagonists. Does this merit mention?---Shaddow Boy

I thought we only mentioned English and Japanese names in the first line. --Greengiant 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


I got enough of this, let's stop this friggin' crap! Red's team does not reference Pokémon Special. Remember for your lives, Special is based on game, never oppositely! Red got Espeon in game first. He also never had all three starters in the manga (he only borrowed them for short time, for the sake of referencing game team). Then, the team does not reference anime. It's just a power-uped team from Pokémon Yellow (yeah, Yellow references anime, but the team does not). Look, all his Pokémon are derived from events in the GAME, not in anime.

  • Pikachu - starter in the game (and the starter is usually the strongest Pokémon)
  • Venusaur - Bulbasaur from Cerulean City
  • Charizard - Charmander from Route 25
  • Blastoise - Squirtle from Vermillion City
  • Snorlax - From either Cycling Road or Silence Bridge
  • Espeon - Eevee from Celadon Mansion

See it? No anime. Only game. His team is not directly based on the anime. And the thing about Special is a complete crap. See it now? --Maxim 12:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Voice in Brawl?

Okay... hearing it, I'm thinking it's Sarah, since she does voice his anime counterpart... but I'm not too sure. Anyone else? TTEchidnaFire echy 04:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It may just be an imitator, since it seems a bit off to me. Also take care that the Japanese Pokémon Trainer doesn't particularly sound like Satoshi, he just generally sounds like a kid.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 05:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I hate the voice in Brawl. He sounds like he's 5....--Theryguy512 10:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Got a question

After defeating Red once in G/S, can he be battled again?--KukiTalk 17:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but you'll need to fight the Elite Four again before he'll reappear each time. IIMarckus 18:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks!

Is this worth to be mentioned in the text? Jacce 13:13, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Question: Does red have a VS sprite in HG/SS?--WikiTomas 13:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

He does.  User:LightningKimba|LK]  22:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, IF you guys have it, you should upload it. --Bulbafan 01:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
There is no V.S Sprite for Red, When encountered a mosaic of a pokéball appears. But There is probably a fan-made version floating around the internet somewere. But Take it from me, I have encountered him numerous times. --Proctor 09:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


alright red seems to be based on two characters ash and ritchie because in red/blue version it looks like ritchie but in the yellow version it looks like ash so im adding 2 people to the counterpart section and also adding this to the trivia section Ritchie

Actually, you got it all wrong... First of all, Red isn't based on anyone. It's the other way around. Ash is based on Red. Second of all, yeah, Ritchie looks like him too because Ritchie was designed to look like Ash (who, in turn, was designed to look like Red)... --electAbuzzzz (TALK) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
That is correct. The games came first, then the anime. The only characters to appear in the anime first then the main game series were Jessie and James. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
but how do you know that ritchie was based on Ash its just like sayin James is based on gary or something ..just cuz they look the same doesnt mean the one who comes later in the show is based on the one coming earlier. also wheres the proof?????????Ritchie
So like the game starting off at 1996 and being out for an entire year, and having already started production on Gen II isn't enough proof which character was based off which? And you yourself are asking for proof, where's your proof that Red is based off of Ash?

--Outrage DD 00:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Know the Difference between a FACT and an ASSUMPTION

This quote right here gives me a lot of issues. A lot of them.

When Red is encountered in Mt. Silver during Generation II, he has no speech, merely repeating an ellipsis before beginning the battle. This is a reference to the fact that during Generation I he is a silent protagonist, answering only "yes" or "no" questions. After he is defeated, the screen blacks out and he vanishes, a reference to the fact that as the player, Red would black out and awake in the last-used Pokémon Center when he ran out of Pokémon.

...And it most definitely has nothing to do with the fact every player character experiences many yes/no feedback and "black outs" after defeat? That's ridiculous. Red's lack of dialog in GSC might simply be the creator's attempt to leave the character up to an individual's perception, but that too happens to be my assumption.

Unless someone can directly reference this to a pamphlet or quote of some sort, I think this trivia is in dire need of revision or deletion. RWMVG1DC 23:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I consider the silent protagonist/ellipsis thing to be reasonable. I agree that the blacking out makes no sense, though, and should be removed. IIMarckus 06:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah... I think the disappearance is Red doing a ninja/Sheik thing. The ellipsis is definitely due to the fact that he was a silent protagonist, although I'm not sure if I'd word it as a "reference." --((Marton imos)) 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I can accept that Red doesn't answer with anything but an ellipses in Gold/Silver, because it's very likely it is a reference to him being a silent protagonist. Him speaking would be completely strange and just not fitting, considering you were Red in the previous games. Speaking requires personality, and you are supposed to be the personality. This piece of trivia fits.
But the second part does not. There is no evidence to indicate anyone but Red and yourself black out when you lose a battle, so it can't be assumed that this is the case with Red at this point. I always felt that the blackened screen was representative of Red escaping, not blacking out. As clearly shown above, I'm not the only person to think this. And since the opinion can vary, no single one can be presented as fact. Redstar 22:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
You know, i agree with you redstar. YOU ARE RIGHT! SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
...You do realize that 1) you are responding to an eight-month-old comment, 2) the trivia piece in question has been changed appropriately, and 3) Redstar has been banned and will not be able to respond to you? Just thought I'd let you know. 梅子 18:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
How should i know he was bannned?... SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 19:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


Why are his other names in one whole line, unlike others'? Same goes for B/G (Gary). tc26 01:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Likely because it'd make the article way too wide, or comparably, RBGY had so few names to choose from, and everyone here chose Ash anyway. TTEchidna 04:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eye color

Shouldn't it be mentioned that his FR/LG sprite has blue eyes,but all the offical art shows him with brown eyes(and maybe it's just me,but his backsprite seems to show him with brown eyes,just like Leaf)? Lovely Rose 03:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Red in GSC being based off of Ash?

"His team references Pokémon Yellow, which is based on the anime, causing many to call him Ash." The final boss in GSC, AKA Red, was not based off of Ash. It was based off of Red, from the Pokemon Adventures manga. Red's team in GSC is Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise.

Out of those, Ash has a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Charizard. Red from the manga has Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusar, AND would have Charizard and Blastoise borrowed from Blue and Green while he was training in Mt. Silver. Blake Talk·Edits 16:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If anything he was based on events that take place in Red, Green, and Blue. Since they didn't wanna canonize and give Red and Green one starter (making Green's team be one of the teams you face with him as champion-- it's actually that minus the starter in GSC), they gave him all three and Pikachu (to represent Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow), Espeon (because you could get an Eevee in RGBY), and Snorlax (because the one that was blocking Route 16 isn't there, but the one blocking Route 11 has moved somewhat). TTEchidna 16:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I am just saying it is silly to have that statement there. The only real reason people would see him as Ash is because he has a Pikachu. :/ and that is because alot of people dont read the manga and only know of the show. But it does actually reference Pokemon Yellow I guess since you can obtain all three starters. I just dont agree with the Ash part. Blake Talk·Edits 01:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, he has Lapras now, which may or may not be a reference to Ash.--Ryuutakeshi 05:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, Pikachu has Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Quick Attack, and Thunderbolt now. Seems like a blatant reference to me. However, it must be emphasised that even though it's a reference with Lapras and the starter trio, Snorlax and Pikachu, he is STILL not Ash. However, this pretty much nips it in the bud that he was ever a reference to Red (manga) - more so, Red's team in the manga seems moreso based on Red himself in the game, setting up his team to be ready so that it would mimic the game, not the other way around. With them retconning the Espeon out of existence, adding Lapras, making Pikachu even more of a reference, it seems they REALLY didn't want people making the confusion.Satosuke 23:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Red's team is a blatant reference to Ash, especially with the changes made in HGSS. It's not a reference to Special, however; Special got Red's team from the games. Reign 21:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've not read the manga, but I always thought the high-powered team lead by a really overleveled Pikachu made it clear it was supposed to be Ash. I just never got where the Espeon came from, but figured maybe sometime it the anime he would get one to contrast Gary's Umbreon. Drake Clawfang 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

The only reference to the anime is Red's Pikachu. The other Pokémon were chosen because they were somewhat canonical (ie: Red got Lapras from that Silph scientist, Eevee from the guy in Celadon and Snorlax from when he fought and caught the Snorlax that was blocking the path to Fuchsia). Some could argue that they replaced Espeon with Lapras because of Ash, but that is up to debate. Methinks they did it just so that his team would have only Kanto Pokémon, as a reference to the fact that he was the player character during Gen I. - Crystal Master
Yes, I believe this is what happened now. Its based on the player from Yellow. Because in Yellow you can get all these Pokemon from NPCs. Blake Talk·Edits 12:44, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Red in GSC is based on the player of Yellow. But player of Yellow was Red, not Ash. --Maxim 13:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. Just because Yellow Red can get all the starters it doesn't mean that G/S/C Red is based on him. Like TTE said, they just gave him all the Gen I starters because they didn't want to canonize a single one. Considering that G/S/C Blue is based in R/G/B Blue and that there are hints in G/S/C that it follows the plot of R/G/B rather than Yellow (such as Cerulean City having the house with the old man who trades Pokémon with you in R/G/B, rather than the house's Yellow counterpart that had the girl who gave Yellow his Bulbasaur), G/S/C Red is based on R/G/B(/Y?) Red. - Crystal Master 18:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The article image..

It looks too saturated. What happened, someone changed it? Lovely Rose 17:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

HGSS sprite

I just noticed that it in-game is animted, whereas it isn't in this article. Can somebody fix that? Pokémon Lover King Mario 13:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right. When I first made the template, the sprite was animated. For some wacky reason, they removed it. Why? I mean, it was pretty crappy, but that's no excuse. --Bulbafan 23:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, a decent old image is better than a new bad-quality image... ht14 23:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


I put a little blurb under Trivia (which is now gone Q_Q) and I wanted to know how you guys felt about it.

I always felt that the Espeon on Red's Gen II team was the odd one out. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise are the Generation I starters, and Snorlax was a mandatory opponent. But why Espeon? Sure, it evolves from the gift Eevee, but it still felt odd. As people have noted similarities between Red and Ash, it felt a bit odd to just throw on a Pokemon that Ash never used. Then I just randomly remembered that Blue started with an Eevee in Yellow. As Red took all of the other starters, why couldn't he do the same for Eevee?

Also, it could explain another reason why Espeon was replaced in HGSS. As Yellow didn't receive a remake like Red and Green, there wouldn't be any need to reference it. (Pikachu is safe since it references the anime and is the mascot.)

I dunno, this seem reasonable to anyone else? MagicBarrier 04:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

That is some very tortured logic. Your argument makes no sense. Espeon is on the team because it's the evolved form of the rival's starter that is not mandatory for the player to receive? That just doesn't make sense at all. It would maybe make sense if he had Jolteon, Flareon or Vaporeon, or a basic Eevee. But if he's meant to represent the Gen 1 games, having a Gen 2 Pokemon is still odd. Drake Clawfang 04:41, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Red's GSC is based on Red of the manga, not Ash of the anime. HGSS Red, however, is debatable.--Gou 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
GSC Red came about before Vui was revealed to have evolved in the manga. He is NOT based on Adventures!Red. 梅子 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Meganium and Jolteon?

In the trivia, it says "Meganium and Jolteon are the only two of Red's female Pokemon if he is an NPC." Exactly what is this referencing, as far as I am aware the only games he can be a NPC is GSC and HGSS, which he doesn't have either of those Pokemon. Or, is this just nonsense?--Gou 22:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Stadium 2 round 1 team. --Shiningpikablu252 22:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

No official HeartGold/SoulSilver art for Red?

Where did all the art come from, anyway? Ampere 07:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean where did it come from. There is no art on there. If you are talking about the sprite, someone ripped it from the game. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 13:07, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
I meant the official art for all the other NPCs. Ampere 17:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Official site and all the other places that have Sugimori's art uploaded. The Japanese HGSS site released all the updated art recently, but I don't know if they have anything for Red yet... ▫▪Ťïňắ 18:47, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Red never got Gen II art, so they have no obligation to give us Gen IV art. not saying it wont happen, but dont be surprised if we dont get any. -- MAGNEDETH 18:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
If Red were to get any Gen IV art, it would have popped up in one of the Clear Guides. It did not, thus he does not have any. Nor do Oak and Bill, even though (iirc) they got Gen II art. 梅子 19:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
That's a shame, though I guess I'm not surprised since he's a pseudo-bonus/secret character in this game. Ampere 18:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Withdraw VS Rapin Spin

you guys sure its not rapid spin instead of withdraw in the super smash bros section of squirtle, because i play super smash bros, and when pokemon use widthdraw they just go in their shell, but rapid spin, they move inside their shell don't they?, and squirtle definatly moves--Lambie 04:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Uhm, You may want to Put this question under that brawl page's Discussion page, As you never mentioned Red in that question and This is not Squirtles talk page. --Proctor 09:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Challenge sprite...?

...But... Red doesn't have a challenge sprite... FireMeowth 13:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Some jerk keeps adding this fansprite over and over. --Maxim 13:24, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
He doesn't? Surprising... (Then again I haven't played far enough to see for myself) TheChrisD RantsEdits 14:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Limit on battles?

I've battled Red about 5 times or so, and I just climbed Mt. Silver and he was gone! Is there a limit on how many times you can battle him, or is it a matter of time? CuboneKing 03:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I've battled him many times. About ten, so it must be something wrong, or he might not appear on certain days at certain times. One time I climbed and he was gone, perhaps it is the time. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 15:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I thought that for him to appear again, you have to beat the Elite Four again? Is this false, and you can fight him once a day? Blake Talk·Edits 17:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I think you're right, Blake. I hadn't fought him that day, and I just beat the Elite Four, and there he is! This should be added into the article. CuboneKing 03:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Umm... it is... "He will reappear at Mt. Silver again if the player defeats the Elite Four again, and his party will remain unchanged in all subsequent battles." ht14 03:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
*hurts self* Oops. CuboneKing 03:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
See it now? Fail... ht14 03:50, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
This is kinda untrue. It should be worded as, The player can only battle Red once until beating the Elite 4 again, after which he appears once a day. As I only beat Elite 4 Twice yet there he is every day. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 15:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Red's there all the time. At least it was that way in Gen II. As long as you had defeated the Elite Four and hadn't fought him yet, he would be there waiting for a challenge. ;-) ポケモンあいこうか 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Money received

We should get info on when the player receives $7700 or $15400 in Gen II and $16800 or $33600 in HGSS for defeating Red... I don't know what defines the different amounts for the prize money myself but I'm interested in learning that. =) ポケモンあいこうか 14:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

And from what I've seen so far, there are other Trainers to which this also occurs, like Lance. ポケモンあいこうか 14:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it's the Amulet Coin...? 梅子 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
I've thought on that. Unless there is anything else working here, then it's the Amulet Coin. ポケモンあいこうか 15:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

In trivia...

The link to Mother is linked to Wikpedia. Can someone please change it to the Earthbound Wiki? I'd do it myself but I don't know how. Gliscorguy54 00:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. The name of the Earthbound wiki is WikiBound, so the interwiki prefix is wb. Werdnae (talk) 01:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Brawl information

Shouldn't they be moved to a separate article? It seems to me that it takes too much space, and it's still kind of incomplete. Wouldn't it be better if it was mentioned on the article with some basic-sense information and additionally analyzed (especially from its Brawl-perspective) on a separate article? --Ash_Pokemaster 23:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Trivia Worthy?

In his original design in RGBY, it looks like he has a leaf on his hat. Could that have been forshadowing of LeafGreen? Iml908 20:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

No. The game wouldn't come out for almost ten years then Ataro 20:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Ruby & Sapphire and Emerald

Apparently Red and Blue have sprites for this games. Can someone confirm if they are really official? And if it turns out they are, should they be added to the article? LurKasumi 11:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

They're real. Just wrongly ripped, the colors are messed up. --Maxim 13:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


The other day on Bulbagarden Archives, I, being a fan of Red, decided to look at Ken Sugimori's Red artwork. But, interestingly, I found a picture with Red flying on Pidgeot with Blue in the background riding on Charizard. Shouldn't that be added to the artwork section?- unsigned comment from JacobTheDoduo (talkcontribs)


Should we move all the trivia here related to Red's appearance as Pokémon Trainer in SSBB to his actual SSBB page? It just seems more appropriate there (though I have no comment myself on the content of the trivia itself). Haxorus 15:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Appearance Trivia

"Red, along with Blue and Professor Oak, appears in all generations so far either as an NPC or as a playable character, except for Generation V." This actually applies to a lot more characters than just these three with characters like Brock, Bill and even Red's Mother being NPCs in all generations. Is it needed to be mentioned here really? Wexdarn 19:34, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Red and blue have both Appeared in all Generations but I don't think that it's that notable--$%$HYDRA3DRAGON$%$ (talk) 06:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)☆


Does anybody have the exact quotes for Red in GSCHGSS? I think they would be useful... --Abcboy (talk) 02:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

All he says is "..." and that's it. --ForceFire 02:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
So he "speaks" Before battle (GSCHGSSB2W2), During battle (HGSSB2W2?), When defeated (HGSSB2W2?), After being defeated (GSCHGSSb2W2?) My main question is when and how many. I read if the Time Capsule was used he'd say "......" when first encountered instead of "...". Who thought an ellipsis would be so confusing... -Abcboy (talk) 04:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Red's age.

Okay, so as far as I know that was in manual for Red and Blue... that was also in Japanese manual, right? (or in Japanese only, or in English only?) Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It's definitely in the English manual. I can't find scans of the Japanese manual online (nor do I own it), so I can't say anything about it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:46, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
The European manual actually says 10-years old. Here is a shot. Ash Pokemaster (talk) 13:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
here's a scan of a manual saying 10 years old. I'm not sure if it's European or not. I still have my manual kicking about somewhere and I'm British so I'll double check that. An edit definitely needs to be made though to show this discrepancy -Stars talk 00:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
This NEEDS to be addressed. I'll do it myself, though it won't look pretty, if nobody else can be bothered. -Stars talk 20:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
So I found my old manual and checked, but yes, at least for the PAL releases Red was 10 years old. I changed this page to reflect this info though it looks messy and I don't know the kind of guidelines for that info this wiki uses, but that's what happens when I'm ignored for over a year. If anyone would like further proof beyond the scans provided above I'll photograph my old manual for them. -Stars talk 00:02, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Originally called Satoshi

Adding this to trivia:

Before the release of Gold and Silver, Game Freak teased that "Satoshi" (obviously Red at that point), Dr. Orchid, and Sakaki were to make appearances in Gold and Silver. This shows that they originally planned on naming him after Satoshi Tajiri or mirror his anime counterpart before settling on the version name instead. Fang-tan (talk)

Pocket Monsters Origin Special

Should we mention the Anime Special on the page? It will be Red's story in the special after all. --Pokemon26 (talk) 18:36, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Maybe, but I'm guessing it would be best to wait a little bit, in case more info is revealed. There is a mention of the Animation Special under "game animation" above "anime counterpart debut" so that should be enough for now I'm guessing. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 16:41, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon X and Y

  • Could Pokémon X and Y reference Red's HG/SS team , since all the Pokémon on his team (or their first evolutions) must be encountered for certain events to happen in Pokémon X and Y. Pikachu must be caught for Shauna to acknowledge that the player has caught one, Snorlax must be encountered in order to progress in the game, either Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle must be chosen from Professor Sycamore in order to progress in the game, and Lapras must be obtained to surf on a Lapras in the overworld. This makes all these Pokémon easy to obtain. Am I thinking too deeply into this, or am I onto something?--ShinyPatch (talk) 23:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Canon Issues regarding the remakes of RBY

Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green are newer games, meaning that they should replace canon set by previous games. Some argue that this is not true as you can only recreate Red's team from GSC and HGSS in Pokemon Yellow as this is the only game you can get all three starters, but this is false. Red's team in those games are based off of in-game event Pokemon obtained in his games. Pikachu, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise represent the four possible starter Pokemon in the games while Snorlax, Espeon and Lapras are simply in-game event pokemon that almost everyone obtains(excluding espeon as it is a gen 2 Pokemon but you get an Eevee nonetheless.)This team is selected so that any choice of starter you can choose in the games can technically be considered canonical. You can also obtain all of these Pokemon in the remakes of red and blue through trading. For these reasoning, the remakes of the original games should be considered canon and not Pokemon Yellow. - unsigned comment from Breadfrenzy (talkcontribs) 07:27, 5 January 2014

If Yellow supercedes RB, and FRLG are just remakes of RB (I don't care that updates were added to the overall game; the story is essentially the same), then Yellow still supercedes FRLG as well. That's supposing Yellow ever superceded RB. I'd probably consider Yellow alternate-universe in the first place, since it has Jessie and James. I'm thinking it's a dumb argument, though. Just make two sections for his background for all I care. Problem solved. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
There's not really a reason to have this much information about the games' plot on Red's page in the first place; it should have two sections like how we have the newer player character articles: one section for as the player (RBY/FRLG) and another for NPC (GSC/HGSS). The "as player" section should have the basic plot with any differences between versions noted, with the NPC section containing only what we know about the character as an NPC (foiled Team Rocket, is Blue's rival, was the Champion and other things mentioned in GSC/HGSS). Seeing as we can't tell which version is "more canon", it's better if we only put down what we know: that the player character can do all the things in whichever version, but the NPC did certain things that are noted within the games. Glik (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree that we should edit the page to have both a "as the player" section and a "as an NPC" section. The player section should go into less detail of the plot of the games only focusing on important events and facts that occur in all of the games. Information from only Yellow shouldn't be mentioned( such as Jessie and James) as it is subjective to only one of the games and the summary should be able to apply to each game. I also agree that Yellow should be considered a possible alternate universe, just not as the main canon. Breadfrenzy (talk) 19:11, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
No, Yellow's minor differences don't need mentioning. The only thing I can think that should be in the section is that Pikachu is the starter and Blue's is Eevee. Glik (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
When talking about Red and Blue's starter Pokemon, it should only mention Pikachu and Eevee as a possible starter Pokemon. The same should be done with the three original starters. All of this is the player's choice so their is technically no solid canon outlining this subject. Breadfrenzy (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I might recommend thinking about using the {{tt}} template or the {{Sup/1}} and {{Sup/3}} templates in a few locations to mention the differences if needed. --Super goku (talk) 23:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I would prefer the use of the "Sup" templates, I think that would work nicely and then we can present both situations (RGB/FRLG and then Y) side-by-side. --ZestyCactus 02:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Suicune And Stadium 2 Portrait

I was reading on the page on an iphone, and I noticed that Red's Stad2 Portrait And Suicune's Sprite Were Switched. Can Someone Fix That?- unsigned comment from Fireflower30 (talkcontribs)

Completing the Pokédex?

When I was reading Red's biography, I notice it mentions that Red went and captured the four legendaries available and thus completed the Pokédex. I have to say where did the info came from, since I did not encounter any references that Red caught all 150 Pokémon in other games. The closest is Origins, but that is an adaptation of the original games. If this is because the player can technically do it, then does that apply to the other protagonists of the main games? Shadao (talk) 20:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Red's canon starter

Blue's page talked about Squirtle being most likely his starter.

But Red was featured with Bulbasaur than any other Pokemon.

In all the artworks, Red/Green Guidebook, Pokemon Generations, all the mangas except one and 4Koma comics. (

Pokemon Generations was advertised as "Events from the games" and Red and other protoganists were all mute like in the games, making Generations an accurate adaptation of the games.

Where he was with Charmander only in Origins and the Pokemon Zensho short manga.

While Pokemon Yellow was never adapted into any form of anime or manga, and FRLG were a remakes of RGB and not Yellow. Pikachu has weak evidence for being his starter.

Making Bulbasaur the most likely canon starter.

I think this should be noted in the trivia section.

ZeraX (talk) 00:44, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

I disagree.

The whole point of Red using all three Kanto Starters in the game is that he doesn't have a "definitive" starter. Most adaptations alternate between: 1)Charmander: used in Origins, some episodes of Generations (since Blue has Blastoise in "the challenger"), and I am told a few spin-off manga. 2) Bulbasaur: very early art, adventures Manga, and the first episode of Generations. While the games feature Pikachu as his ace and has a team that references Pokémon Yellow, Blue, at the same time, does not use his Yellow team. All of this is done in order not to "cut" the branches. While he's indeed associated more with Charizard and Venusaur (which BTW is the only starter that uses a Z-move in Sun and Moon), they aren't his "defenitive" canon choice.

Charmeleon2495 14:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Character Art

Should the official art shown at the top of the page, why should it be the S&M art? It differs a lot from the original art from the earlier games. I see why it's the newer art, but I don't think it really fits. - unsigned comment from AngelicEspeon (talkcontribs)

It's Bulbapedia policy to use the most recent available art in the infobox for every character and Pokémon article. The size of a character's role in older games vs. newer games doesn't matter. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Red's age

I just to say why would rather put a non-authenticity age than empty of the age. Even we had some precedents and it was not being used for this in the first. (even it is still not being used just use an approximate age range.) - unsigned comment from E9310103838 (talkcontribs)

I'll copy-paste what I just wrote on your talk page:
Sun and Moon's spot in the timeline relies on two main pieces of information.
  • Porygon's SM Pokedex entries say it was created 20 years ago. Since Porygon existed in Gen I, that means there can be no more than a 20-year gap between RBY and SM.
  • Anabel has been in Alola for 10 years. Since she was in Hoenn in Emerald, and since RSE take place at the same time as Gen I, that means there can be no less than a 10-year gap between RBY/RSE and SM.
Because RBY canon is that Red is 11 in those games, this means in SM he must be 11 plus 10-20 years. Therefore, he's 21-31 in Sun and Moon. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Well, although I still think this is a non-authenticity information, but maybe your argument is justified. And how does his age in B2W2? E9310103838 (talk) 17:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Our accepted timeline, as listed on Core series#Timeline, is that B2W2 and XY are contemporaneous and that SM takes place two years after them. I don't know the actual sources for those claims, but Red's age in B2W2 is derived from that timeline. If you have an issue with that, I think that talk page may be a better place to ask about it than this one. (It certainly wouldn't be a bad thing to spark some discussion about adding cited sources to that article so people don't have to keep having this timeline discussion/edit war over and over.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
The timeline claims for the timeline came from Game Freak's own, Toshinobu Matsumiya, the main scenario director since Pokemon Gold and Silver. His job title is exactly how it sounds, he deals with the story.
So, back to Red's age, since an 8-10 year-old version of a certain trial captain shows up in LGPE and the confirmed age limit for trial captains is 20. Mallow mentions this age limit exclusively in Pokemon Moon.
We can actually estimate that the current timeline spans about between 10-12 years. According to this, Red and Blue should be at least 21-23 as of their appearances in Sun and Moon. Argentarus (talk) 22:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Although I agree with the timeline span, we have to be cautious, LGPE seems to be doing it's own thing with characters and timeline, seems quite probable it's not supposed to be in the continuity with the other usual games. With the original Pallet trainers being replaced yet still around... it's very murky... granted I haven't played the game yet but I don't think I'm missing something vital that makes it make sense.--DanyyelTR (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Red and Pikachu Sugimori art not in the archives

This piece of art doesn't seem to be in the archives, merchandise based on it is, but not the original itself.

I brought it up on Bulbagarden but that went nowhere... I don't have the rights to upload something into the archives, so if someone can do it instead, that would be nice.


- unsigned comment from DanyyelTR (talkcontribs)

Missing template

There is a missing "Spoilers end here." template. --TheICTLiker4 (talk) 15:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


I feel like "counterpart" is the incorrect word to use. I was in a discussion with a person over the differences between Red and Ash and they pulled up this article which states that Ash is the anime counterpart of Red, which I find highly misleading. Ash is based on Red, but that doesn't make him Red's counterpart. Red's anime counterpart is Red in Origins/Generations. I feel like Red's page should mention that Ash is based on him and end it at that, without going into any detail on Ash himself, because they clearly aren't the same character. Sir_Relyt 05:45, 9 February 2020 (GTC)

Red (game) -> Red (character)

I know these pages are called like "Flint (anime)" to differentiate character from anime from other characters, but this always confused me and I thought this page is about "the game Red". Also, this is different because Red is the same character but in different canons. I would like to suggest to rename pages like these into "Red (character)" to differentiate them from the games. This page already works like general article for the character mentioning him in every canon which are splitted into own articles if the parts are large enough.--Rocket Grunt 16:13, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

It would be a weird inconsistency for a system that otherwise works quite well on other pages. I think it'd cause more confusion than it'd fix. Besides, this isn't the only character named Red. --celadonk (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
while I agree that changing the format to be Red (Character) would be a bad idea, I also don't think Red (game) works either. This is because Red (and most other characters important enough to be given their own article) show up in *Multiple Games* and there is more than one single pokémon game in existence anyway. Would it thus be appropriate to have it be Red (games) rather than Red (game)? Nikkie2571 (talk) 23:52, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't think you two understand. I meant to name this page "Red (character)" and all others characters named Red would be subpages of it.--Rocket Grunt 00:58, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I think "Red (game character)" would be the best title. (Regarding other pages with similar titles, I think those should also be renamed.) --SnorlaxMonster 03:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I personally feel that Red (character) would be weird. The same also goes for (game character) and (games). Besides, game Red is way different from Adventures Red, Origins Red, and some other counterparts of it, so making those articles would be confusing. SiriusPsycho 04:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
"Character" is vague, what media is this "character" from? Game? Anime? TCG? "Game" makes it specific. "Game character" is too long for my liking to consider as a parenthesis.--ForceFire 05:53, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


As far as I'm aware, it was never confirmed that Ash is Red's anime counterpart. Ash's article doesn't list Red as his "game counterpart", but doing the inverse just because the former is loosely based on the latter feels misleading. Inkster (talk) 16:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Red's age

It is stated in the manual that Red's age in RGBY is 11 years old. GSC is stated to be 3 years after RGBY, so Red is 14 years old.

Red's age in FRLG is unknown. HGSS is stated to be 3 years after FRLG, so Red's age is unknown.

Am I wrong? あいうえお (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

FireRed and LeafGreen are remakes of Red and Green, all events are the same so why the ages wouldn't? If you have doubt about Red's age in generation V and VII, they're based on his age from Red/Green, not from FireRed and LeafGreen.--Rocket Grunt 16:58, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Please excuse my poor English. FireRed and LeafGreen are remakes of Red and Green, but not all events are the same. For example, the timing of when Steel- and Dark-type were discovered and the timing of when Pokémon Eggs were discovered were changed. It is possible that FRLG Red is 11 years old. But it is also possible that it is not. In other words, his age is unknown.
Red in generation V and VII are the same person as Red in HGSS and FRLG. not Red in GSC and RGBY. It is obvious from his appearance and his Lapras. --あいうえお (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Read about the timeline here. The amount of years between generation I and VII is concluded from Porygon's pokedex entry.--Rocket Grunt 18:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
I already read it. I'm Japanese and I've read the original "Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia". where is it written that the universe of SMUSUM and the universe of RGBY are the same? --あいうえお (talk) 19:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
That shouldn't affect the question about his age in each game, though. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Proper counter-argument here; Where is it written that the universes or ages *aren't* the same? Until we have proof one way or the other that something is the same or different between games and universes it is easier to assume that these things are the same because assuming otherwise just leads down an endless rabbit hole of "what if". Unless there is stated proof that Red's age is different in FrLg from RGBY there is no reason to change it. Nikkie2571 (talk) 19:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
The universe of RGBY and the universe of B2W2 aren’t the same. It is obvious from Red's appearance and Lapras. And, since Wally from ORAS appears in SMUSUM, the universe of SMUSUM is the same as that of ORAS. In AS, There is an old photo in Shelly's room in Team Aqua's hideout, but they are from 2002. In other words, ORAS is not 1995 and 1996 now. Therefore, the universe of RGBY and the universe of ORAS aren’t the same, and the universe of SMUSUM and the universe of RGBY aren’t the same. --あいうえお (talk) 20:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Timeline says, "This section contains fan speculation. There is no solid evidence for or against some parts of this article." So it's no basis for determining Red's age. I'm going to delete everything other than Red's age in RGBY and its sequel GSC. I will do it if there are no objections. --あいうえお (talk) 08:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't have any objections with deleting his age in B2W2 and SMUSUM. However, I think we can still safely say that FRLG and HGSS Red are the same age as RGBY and GSC Red. The timing of the discovery of Steel type, Dark type, and Pokémon Eggs are not concrete events, so the fact that they've been retconned into existence in FRLG does not mean that everything suddenly takes place at a different time. FRLG is the story of Red's first journey across the Kanto region just like RGBY is, and the simplest and most reasonable conclusion is that he started his journey at the same age in both sets of games. Storm Aurora (talk) 03:31, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
For convenience, both the RGBY protagonist and the FRLG protagonist are referred to as Red and treated as the same person, but their appearances are very different. So I don't think we know if they are the same age, but I will follow your opinion in this case. Thank you for the reply. --あいうえお (talk) 15:38, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Since these ages spark so much controversy I think it would be best to delete them and leave only the directly stated ages, in this case Red's 11 years old in Gen 1, maybe FRLG.--Rocket Grunt 17:01, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
I think so too, but it seems that people who don't think so are persistently rolling back my edits.--あいうえお (talk) 05:40, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


The current title "Red (game)" appears to be about the game named Pokémon Red.

Maybe we can move this to "Red (video game character)" instead? --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree, it's an ambiguous dabtag. "(video game character)" is a little lengthier than I think it needs to be, though; couldn't it just be "Red (game character)"? As far as I know, there aren't any other Reds in games - video or not - aside from the ones like Red (Masters) which are based on this Red. Storm Aurora (talk) 01:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
you be moving a lot more than just this page, every counterpart would have to be moved for consistency reasonsRoserade57 (talk) 03:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
As we know, the words "Red", "Blue", "Green", and "Silver" are names of game characters but they are also titles of core series games. So perhaps those pages of game characters can be moved from (game) to (game character).
On the other hand, in the case of Ethan (game), Rosa (game), Calem (game), Elio (game), and so on, I would suggest removing (game) altogether and moving them simply to "Ethan", "Rosa", "Calem", "Elio", etc. whenever possible. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Related discussion: Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#About the page titles like Red (game), Blue (game), etc. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Return to "Red (game)" page.