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What, no mention of Lance's Gamesharky tendencies? He's had two Pokémon with moves they couldn't actually learn--the Dragonite with Barrier (which it has never been able to learn) in Red/Blue and the Aerodactyl with Rock Slide (which it couldn't learn at the time) in Gold/Silver. Zdododododo 02:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll put that in trivia. And, I think pretty much every Pokémon he owns knows Hyper Beam. That's trivia too. Angerman 23:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Didn't someone once say that Lance's Dragonite had 5 attacks in Red and Blue? Missingno. Master 21:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Probably. However, I'm suprised nobody mentioned his three underlevelled Dragonites in G/S/C. - Nebula 19:31, 20 November 2007 (GMT)
We didn't mention that because there are quite a few (I CAN'T NAME THEM D8) underleveled things.. however, since Lance is rather AR-heavy, it's worth a mention ;) Tinaδ 19:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Red/Blue Dragonite

I've heard that Lance's Dragonair/Dragonite in Red/Blue will not use Slam or Hyper Beam if you send out a Grass- or Poison-type Pokémon against him. It's partially mentioned here. I've unintentionally tested this myself during a normal playthrough, where I had only a Level 40 Weezing against Lance's Dragonite. The battle took forever, but Dragonite used only Agility and Barrier against Weezing. Could this be added to the article? Thanks. Ultraflame 19:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a 'bug' on Red/Blue's code. AI-controlled Pokémon will use moves of super-effective types until the PP is over. Since Agility and Barrier are Psychic-type moves and Poison-type Pokémon are weak to Psychic moves, the AI will think that Agility and Barrier are damage-dealing moves and will spam them. Mennace 04:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Im Anime

er hat doch nur das rote Garados und das normale Garados bekommt man doch im Anime nie zu Gesicht.--Fahrenheit 19:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Look, I realize you're German, but we're not going to do all the work of communication for you. So English please? (And to other editors, don't tell me "babelfish" because in all honesty the second part of Fahrenheit's comment is reduced to nonsense.)--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 22:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

in the anime i saw only the red one and not the normal one . i ask you in which episode he has the normal one?--Fahrenheit 08:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Er hat eine normale Garados in The Legend of Thunder auf dem Foto. --Maxim 08:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


shouldn't there be a page for his Dragonite.? After all it has appeared for most of the episode, helped Ash and co., and also battled the Red gyrados?? not to mention it's his main battler. RovingTrainer

Not a Gym Leader?

Lance is in the Gym leader category, but on his edit page there is no place to remove the Gym Leader Category tag, so I couldn't remove it. Lance is not a gym leader, so I'm not sure why he's been put in that category. Jacobe 20:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. It was in the template. --Theryguy512 20:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Clair's and Lance's names

Could it be possible that Clair's and Lance's are related to the word clairvoyance? If you take the L out of Lance, the two have their names in clairvoyance. I know clairvoyance would be more related to psychic than dragon, but dragons are mystical creatures and clairvoyance is a mystical ability.

I'm waiting for a third Dragon trainer called Voy (or something like that) to show up if this is true.

Moving it

We're not gonna. Lance will obviously get a name change in English like Charon did. TTEchidna 22:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Salamence (HG/SS Team)

His Salamence is holding a Lum Berry. I'd add it to the page, but pretty much all of the HG/SS-related pages are locked right now, so... - unsigned comment from Leo058 (talkcontribs)

Hmm. We'll reduce protection on that then. Remember to sign your comments, btw. —darklordtrom 20:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Make a tag battle template

If you'd look at this:

Why is his Dragonite a single Pokémon? Why not make it like Steven's? Maybe I'd understand it if it was his only Pokémon, but still, it's pretty weird. --Bulbafan 23:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Dragonite is most likely his only Pokémon that he uses during the tag battle. If it is, that's why Dragonite is by itself. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Does lance has a backsprite during the tag battle? if yes someone should upload it -Pokeant 04:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Probably. If we don't have it, that just means somebody hasn't bothered or gotten around to uploading it. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, we sure have it now. : ) --Bulbafan 16:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Gen I Art

Is this the full art of Lance from Generation I? The art for the other trainers that appear here are their official art from Generation I, but I have never seen this art for Lance (neither have I seen an official Gen I art for him). Does someone have a better picture and can someone confirm this image?--KurowaSan 09:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

That image appears to have been deleted. —darklordtrom 10:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems like it was deleted. Uploaded here now. --KurowaSan 11:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I did a search for this picture and it really is Gen I Sugimori art for Lance. This picture was taken from a page of ポケモンひけるかな? (Can You Play Pokémon?), a CD that came with a book containing music scores for the music from the game, which I didn't find an article about on Bulbapedia. Here it is for reference: English and covers, Info in Japanese, Some more info. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a better picture. --KurowaSan 12:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Found a better scan here.KurowaSan 00:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to bring this old topic up again, but it has been a time and there was no answer as to whether it would be a good idea to post this image, even if blocked by Blue's artwork, on the article. I think it's a pretty rare and official artwork for an important character. Thanks. o/ KurowaSan 05:31, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Illegal Pokemon?

I don't understand this part at the Trivia section: "Lance has battles with two illegal Pokémon" (Dragonite, Aerodactyl) What does it mean with "illegal Pokemon", since when are there pokemon which are illegal to own? OMG 06:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

It isn't that they are illegal to own, it's that they are impossible to obtain without the use of a cheating device - Aerodactyl can't learn Rock Slide in generation II and Dragonite can't learn Barrier in generation I, yet his Pokémon have those moves. Werdnae (talk) 06:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hair colour in Pokemon Adventures?

I always wondered this in PokeSpe why isn't Lance's hair the same colour as Silver's. I mean they both do have red hair and Lance's hair looks more this trivia...though i'm sure there's a logical answer to this... CrystalMarina97--Crystal (TALK) 22:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

A new page

Hey, I think we should make a separate page for him in Adventures, due to how different he is in that than in the games & anime. ----Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth (talk) 12:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but he hasn't really done much in there....unlike Giovanni who actually needs one Ataro 14:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Lance uses wrong move in HG&SS?

If anyone's not noticed, he tells his Dragonite to use Hyper Beam on the Team Rocket dude inside the building in Mahogany Town, the Dragonite then runs into the guy? It looks more like Giga Impact. Anyone care to explain? Miscs 09:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I think they just weren't bothered to program in a mini Hyper Beam animation just for that one instance. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 11:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I just watched a video of it on YouTube and I agree. It looks a lot more like Giga Impact than Hyper Beam. Trivia perhaps? --SnorlaxMonster 12:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Could be worth mentioning. I'll put it in. (DONE, bit sloppy though, I can't think of how to describe it better :S) Miscs 13:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Lance's Dragonite cheats!

Lance's Dragonite (LV 50) has Outrage. How is this possible?! Miscs 14:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's called breeding. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Or move tutoring. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Saikyou Dragonite. But I'd be more worried about his level 40 Dragonite. --SnorlaxMonster 15:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, I saw it on the move tutor list. I need glasses... Miscs 15:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, that, and all you need is two pogeys with Outrage who can breed (one being a female of the Dragonite line) to get an Dratini egg with Outrage. So yeah, you can breed for it, too, since Dratini can learn it naturally. You just seemed to be a little confused on that, so just in case you still were. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
While true, Dragonair evolves at level 55. However, the event Dragonite I mentioned comes with Outrage. --SnorlaxMonster 15:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The part of the inquiry was not that Lance has a Dragonite at level 50, but that his level 50 Dragonite has Outrage, when Dragonite learns Outrage at 64. Lance with broken dragons is common knowledge; Miscs was focusing on the move, not the evolution. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Trivia addition?

When Lance is battled after obtaining 16 badges in Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver, all of his pokemon have a double weakness. Might this be worth noting?

Never mind. I hadn't realized that this already existed.Tk3141 00:28, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Really minor

Can someone please replace "[[Super Nerd|Miles]] and [[Camper|Evan]]" for "{{tc|Super Nerd|Miles}} and {{tc|Camper|Evan}}"? Thank you. |) u |( e ® 22:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Done. --Pokemaster97 22:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

HGSS sprite

Seems to have a bit of a glitch there in the first couple of frames. Is there a way to fix that? Okoa (talk) 23:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


In the case of another elite four member, lorelei. The anime changed her English name to something that matched the number of syllables in order to match the mouth movements when her name was said. However, Lance's Japanese and English names also have a "syllable count" that doesn't match up. What's the dealio? --Benayla (talk) 04:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Wataru and Lance don't have nearly as much difference in mouth movements as Lorelei and Kanna do. Not even close. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 05:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Origins VA

Did some asking around; Bob Buchholz voice-directed the English dub of Pokemon Origins. After some double-checking, I believe he also voiced Lance for his few lines in the fourth episode. Not sure why Kirk was placed here by the internet, but I added the edit here. Kirbopher 2:19 AM PST 1/9/2016

Should we mention the event Dragonite in trivia?

It's going to have Barrier in honor of Lance's Dragonite. See Unowninator (talk) 05:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting Type Specialty

It is sort of weird how in Heartgold and Soulsilver during the player's first battle against Lance, the tag battle against Lance and Clair, and the tag battle alongside Lance (if you could count that), his Pokémon are not all part dragon, but they are all part flying-type. Just something interesting to think about. BetaRayquaza (talk) 14:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Lance's Blue Gyarados

Considering that the only time we saw Lance with a normal Gyarados is in a fantasy of a character who had never met him, what other proof do we have that he has a normal Gyarados? I mean, the anime has already shown in a fantasy Cynthia battling with a Rayquaza, and it wasn't even added to her profile in the anime. Is it not right to consider that Lance has only Red Gyarados and Dragonite?--Hikaru Wazana 19:00, 30 January 2020 (GMT)

Anyone?--Hikaru Wazana 12:48, 09 February 2020 (GMT)
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