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Elemental Hyper Beams

In Gen. III, only Charizard, Venusaur and Blastoise could learn Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon, respectively. The Johto starters could learn it too, but only by being traded from XD (just like Lugia and Psycho Boost). Should the 3 HB variations be included in this list, since other "former" signature moves are also included?--Darthrai 02:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Skarmory?

Should Skarmory with Steel Wing be included here? After all, it is the only Pokemon that can learn it naturally.

That would be a good case to make. Question is, how many others do that? TTEchidna 03:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Hitmonlee with Mega Kick Zurqoxn 03:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
And I'm sure there are more, like Hitmonchan and Vacuum Wave. I, too, am used to call moves "signature" when they're exclusive to few by leveling up. --Johans 16:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Porygon-Z and Trick Room? Though Trick Room is a TM, only Porygon-Z learns it naturally. Tesh 17:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Metagross and Meteor Mash? --Mooshykris 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Clefairy learns Meteor Mash, though...hardly exclusive... --Myrmidom

And Chimchar with Facade, this is the same scenario as Trick Room. Tesh 15:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Level-up otherwise exclusive to TMs?

Okay, I just wanted to organize what's been said above. What we have so far is...

TM or HM Move Pokémon Level Generation
TM01 Focus Punch Vigoroth 43 III
43 IV
TM21 Frustration Buneary 13 IV
TM27 Return Lopunny 13 IV
TM42 Facade Chimchar 31 IV
TM47 Steel Wing Skarmory 49 II
32 III
38 IV
HM05 (Generation III) Flash Volbeat -- IV
TM70
TM72 Avalanche Smoochum 31 IV
TM72 Avalanche Jynx 33 IV
TM92 Trick Room Porygon-Z -- IV
HM07 Waterfall Goldeen 37 I
38 II
38 III
37 IV
HM07 Waterfall Seaking 39 I
41 II
41 III
40 IV


If anyone thinks of any others, go on and add them in here. TTEchidna 23:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

As I said above, Hitmonlee with Mega Kick. Zurqoxn 01:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I placed it here so that we stay in a Generation III/IV scope. --Johans 04:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Uh, Raquazza and Fly! Only he learns through level up!--Quick Man 12:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Read this Blastoise RULZ 20:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Level-up otherwise exclusive to Move Tutors?

This might be useful if "signature move" is furtherly redefined. --Johans 04:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move Pokémon Level Generation
Mega Kick Hitmonlee 53 I
46 II
46 III
49 IV


Level-up otherwise exclusive to breeding?

In the article, Octazooka is listed as being signature of only Octillery, and Present is listed as being signature of only Delibird (just to mention some), which is true only if the definition of "signature moves" includes this type of moves. --Johans 06:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Move Pokémon Level Generation
Icicle Spear Shellder 8 III (FR/LG)
13 IV
SmellingSalt Makuhita 31 III
22 IV
SmellingSalt Hariyama 33 III
22 IV
Vacuum Wave Hitmonchan 26 IV


About evolved forms

Should stone-induced evolved forms be listed? Pikachu and Raichu appear in the article. However, the species that actually learns Volt Tackle is Pichu (making the Battle Revolution Pikachu a trivia section material). If Raichu can appear in the list, then Togekiss and Mismagius should, too. --Johans 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I think that only the Pokémon that learns the move should be listed. So Pichu should be listed, but it's evolutions shouldn't. Only if the evolution learns the move then they an be listed. So both Cubone and Marowak learn Bonemerang, therefore both should be listed. File:Ani137MS.gifTESHFile:Ani233MS.gifTALKFile:Ani474MS.gif 15:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Splash?

Would Splash be eligible for inclusion here? A bunch of Pokémon can learn the move nowadays, but back in Generation I it was very much Magikarp's trademark. A similar case is already included on the list (Petal Dance, which was exclusive to the Oddish line in Generation I). Bikini Miltank 08:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right, according to the current status of the article. But I think that kind of moves shouldn't appear in the list. IMO, in any case, Generation III stuff is the only past generation that should be mentioned, as it's compatible with Generation IV, but I still don't like the idea.
I take it this all started with the ExtremeSpeed Dratini from the trivia section, right? Well, that Dratini is obsolete, too. I propose we get rid of ExtremeSpeed Dratini and there won't be need for the ExtremeSpeed Arcanine and the other obsolete groups. --Johans 16:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

NO! Lol, we should split this article into each Generation, with a trivia section for Pokémon that do not learn a move naturally. Like Dratini in GenII. I think this would be better. File:Ani137MS.gifTESHFile:Ani233MS.gifTALK File:Ani474MS.gifFUN 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... one of the things I was going to suggest was listing the likes of Splash, ExtremeSpeed and so on in a seperate table, for moves that were once exclusive to a single line, but aren't anymore. I think these moves are certainly worth mentioning somewhere in the article, as they might still be relevant to someone who's playing any of the older games. Bikini MiltankFile:Ani241MS.gifMoo, I say. 23:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
You mean like Blaziken's Blaze Kick? Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 05:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Splash/Magikarp should be there, and Blaze Kick/Blaziken should have been there ages ago! File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Magnemite

ok, sorry about that, but i think Zap Cannon should at least be there, other than the TM, only it and Porygon could learn it in Gen II. on that note, hows about Magnet Bomb, which only they and Nosepass/Probopass can learn? File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 04:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Skay. Magnet Bomb, however.. I think we should add that. Tina δ♫ 05:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
idk, i still think Zap Cannon should be there. i didnt even know Porygon could learn it untill a few mins ago. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
As of GenIV, 13 Pokémon can learn Zap Cannon.. Tina δ♫ 05:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
As in check the Zap Cannon page...Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 05:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
ok, i thought there were notes for previous Gens. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

now wait a minute...Tina agreed that Magnet Bomb should be added as a sig move. besides, the page even says, "can only be learned by a single Pokémon or a very small select group of Pokémon." both Magnemite and Probopass are Steel with magnet-ness. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

So? That would mean I had to kick in the kickingfeet Pokémon and the chicken...Reasons:
  1. They don't seem to be related...
  2. Five Pokémon isn't a small group
  3. Tina agreed, so I'm saying the opposite...

Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 05:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

well...
  1. they are related, magnet-ness alnog with both lvling up at Coronet
  2. its technically only 2 Pokemon, Magnemite and Probopass, the page lists Mag's evo line and Probopass twice (for some reason)
File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Ack! You win...Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 05:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
i didnt fight because its Magnemite, i just fought for the truth! that being said, i still think Blaziken should be on there with a note about Gen 3 or somthing. File:Ani081MS.gifMAGNEDETHFile:Ani082MS.gifTARIDNEDOPTFile:Ani462MS.gif 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Capitalized please...Hitmonlee and Blaziken seems select enough...Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 05:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Splitting

This page needs to be split up into Generations I think. There are too many prior to Genration IV. TESHIGIGAS   20:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No, No. That's not needed. It's fine how it is. --Theryguy512 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
But then we could sychronise the trivia into it as well. TESHIGIGAS   18:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Small group?

Since Mathis seems to have decided to take a chainsaw to the list, I have to ask: How big is a "small group" of Pokémon? - Cassius335 12:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

small group denotes 2 evo lines. so, as seen above, with Magnet Bomb, only two pokemon can learn it, with the exception of their own evos. -- MAGNEDETH 19:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok. *points at the top of the page* What about Meteor Mash then? - Cassius335 00:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
well, somone should add that to the page. along with the others in my opinion. though, it could be argued that Math earlier had the right idea. super exclusive only. -- MAGNEDETH 00:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Staryu

In Generation III, Staryu was the only Pokemon who could learn Camouflage. Mothim can now learn it in Gen IV. Nevertheless, I would assume that Staryu would count as a Pokémon with a signature move before Gen IV. -TIMMY

Added. Zurqoxn 20:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Really, exactly two Pokemon knowing a move is still pretty exclusive. - Cassius335 09:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
We're still missing Mothim on there though...I guess I'll add it unless anyone has any objections...ht14 00:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Skitty

Well, Skitty (and Delecatty, but Skitty Evolves into that) were the only ones to know assist until Generation IV, I think Skitty deserves a mention (Delecatty doesn't scince she only learns VIA from Skitty knowing before evelution).--Quick Man 13:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article NEEDS some cleanup... some signature moves don't make sense and some are in a lot of pokemon, so they should be removed. I think if a pokemon prior to Gen IV now learns a GEN IV move, it shouldn't be mentioned, 'cause it's obvious that another pokemon will learn the same move (for example Relicanth that learns Cranidos' signature. in that case Relicanth should be removed). If someone doesn't agree with me, then just undo it. hfc2X 00:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It's fine. PL12 00:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
It's fine if it's only one or two different evolution families. TTEchidna 04:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Crush Grip

What about the Combusken who has Crush Grip in PBR - unsigned comment from Tannerbro (talk • contribs)

That Combusken is unobtainable hfc2X 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I have seen no proof that exsits. Can someone (an admin) hide that comment until there is a picture or video shown so we can back up such a far fetched claim? The Placebo Effect 02:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
No, hiding comments is virtually the same as deleting them, which isn't allowed. MoldyOrange 02:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm actually now wondering if this person was mistaking Crush Grip for the breedable Crush Claw... TTEchidna 01:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Meteor Mash

Meteor Mash should definitely be included, like only 2 pokémon lines can learn it, and like skull bash, is listed here which also has 2 pokémon lines so why shouldn't Meteor Mash be? And why is some Hitmonlee's and other POkemon's moves are asterixed when Medicham later on has Hi Jump Kick and isnt asterixed?? It should only be asterixed when the sig move has gone completely over eg extremespeed which the others rayquaza etc arent listed... ... --<large> "[[User:WoWy|<font color="blue";>WoWy</font>]]"</large>''([[User talk:Wowy|<font color="green";>><</font>]])'' 05:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Wowy

I think this article is the most controvesrial thing... I think that a signature move should be a move that onle ONE Pokémon learns... I mean these are the REAL signature moves:
  • Volt Tackle (Pikachu family)
  • Pay Day (Meowth)
  • Kinesis (Kadabra and Alakazam)
  • Barrage (Exeggcute family)
  • Bone Club (Cubone and Marowak)
  • Lovely Kiss (Smoochum and Jynx)
  • Conversion, Conversion2 and Sharpen (Porygons)
  • Spider Web (Spinarak and Ariados)
  • Pain Split (Misdreavus)
  • Octazooka (Octillery)
  • Present (Delibird)
  • Sketch (Smeargle)
  • Triple Kick (Hitmontop)
  • Milk Drink (Miltank)
  • Aeroblast (Lugia)
  • Sacred Fire (Ho-Oh)
  • Arm Thrust (Makuhita and Hariyama)
  • Teeter Dance (Spinda)
  • Poison Tail (Seviper)
  • Ice Ball (Spheal family)
  • Mist Ball (Latias)
  • Luster Purge (Latios)
  • Doom Desire (Jirachi)
  • Psycho Boost (Deoxys)
  • Attack, Defend and Heal Orders (Vespiqueen)
  • Chatter (Chatot)
  • Rock Wrecker (Rhyperior)
  • Roar of Time (Dialga)
  • Spacial Rend (Palkia)
  • Magma Storm (Heatran)
  • Crush Grip (Regigigas)
  • Shadow Force (Giratina)
  • Lunar Dance (Cresselia)
  • Heart Swap (Manaphy)
  • Dark Void (Darkrai)
  • Seed Flare (Shaymin)
  • Judgement (Arceus)
Any other move should not be in the list, because more than a family learns it. Remember that a signature is something that's from your own and no one else. That's why repeated moves should not be in the list. hfc2X 18:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this. Also, Bonemerang is another exclusive move to the Cubone family. ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 18:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Moves

I'll add Splash becoz only Magikarp had Splash in Gen I with an asterix sign, while Meteor Mash also becoz there are some moves listed here that have more than one move per pokémon, usally two. And who said that only one family needs a signature move and when it has two it's not. I've never seen any official guide saying that. And Icicle Spear, Smelligsalt and Vacuum Wave I'll add becoz Octazooka is here which can also be bred. These moves are VERY free to undo if u wish. Oh and i'll add assist with an asterix as only skitty can learn in Gen III--Wowy 07:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature moves can be bred, that's obvious, but no Pokémon can normally learn them. This article NEEDS to be redone. 'nuff said. hfc2X 12:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

waterfall

I see someone's cleaned it up but waterfall should be included but with an * coz ONLY goldeen and seaking learnt in Gen I coz it wasnt a TM/HM there could be more moves like this--Wowy 23:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I also noticed mimic is a signatre move for sudowoodo, however in ONLY generation II because in Generation I it was a TM, I'm not sure about MIMIC--Wowy 23:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
What about featherdance?--Wowy 06:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Fact

Could someone add that signature moves are recommended for the pokemon learning them. Also, you forgot about the legendaries. - unsigned comment from Xknight 511 (talk • contribs)

In some cases they aren't. Take for example Ho-Oh in Gen II and III. He has Higher Attack than Sp. Atk, but his Signature move focuses in Sp. Atk. So it depends on the trainer. hfc2X 07:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorted by generation?

How ab out instead of making it so pokemon has a note saying when the move isn't signature, we make a page or section on this page for each generation? The Placebo Effect 15:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean have sections like "Signature moves in Generation I" and "Signature moves in Generation II"? If so, I think that's a great idea. Baby G 15:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
I think that' s very good idea too. Rikki Kitsune 19:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I've been working on this for the past month, using a Word document. But it hasn't been going so well. You see, some signature moves just came off the top of my head, but I'm having trouble remembering whether or not there are any signature moves other than the ones in my document. But don't fear, I'll get it finished soon. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 20:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Unprotect please

Kenji-girl protected this article because she was losing in the edit war. I told her that I promise to stop edit warring, but she's completely ignoring me. Can someone please unprotect this article? Baby G 15:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


Platinum

Should i add Platinum signature moves, coz I added scyther with Vacuum Wave and somone took it off... Look at Serebii and it says it can learn it...--WowyXD \⁄!!!-talk 07:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah Serebii knows lots of things, but he isn't very relliable at times... and you NEED to fix your signature!!! hfc2X 22:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Camouflage

Why Camouflage is here? It can be learned by two pokémon --CorsolaSplash 18:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

As long as it's learnable by a relative few Pokémon (out of 493, two is VERY few), it goes here. I don't know where we should put the threshold, however, but as long as less than 1% of all Pokémon learn a move (not counting their evolutions) it should go here. TTEchidna 01:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I kinda think it should be limited to one evolution family, ESPECIALLY if two very unrelated Pokémon (like Scyther and Hitmonlee as mentioned with Vacuum Wave above) both know the move. If you think that's too extreme/harsh, maybe if two somewhat similar Pokémon both know the move (like if they have common design elements or something). ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 01:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Moves only count as signature moves if only one Pokémon are one evolution family can learn them. Besides, Hitmonchan and Scyther aren't the only 2 Pokémon that can legitimatelly have Vacuum Wave. About 30 others can learn it from the Platinum tutor. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, that brings up a similar issue... moves that can be learned other than level-up by many, but level-only for a few. TTEchidna 21:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I used to think that level up was all that counted, but about a month ago, Kenji-girl said that other methods (breeding, TMs, etc.) do count when it comes to signature moves. So Vacuum Wave has actually never been Hitmonchan's signature move, since several others could learn it by breeding before Platinum. --Baby G (talk to me) (see my edits) 21:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Transform?

Why signature move of Ditto and Mew is the Transform (which is written), a Fly isn't a signature move of Salamence and Rayquaza. Era64 11:29, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, for Ditto at least, Transform is its only move. Mew just has that "DNA of all Pokémon in it" deal that lets him transform.
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