User:Shiningpikablu252/PA But... we don't even know if they're a trio... TTEchidna 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Wait a tick...
Palkia is the Space pokemon
Dialga is the Time pokemon
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon
Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?
Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it: Arceus ; life ; Alpha Giratina ; death ; Omega
Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. Pokéball 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. TTEchidna 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --Shiny NoctowlTalk | ContribsFile:Ani164MS.gif 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Here's proof:
- Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. TTEchidna 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. Pokéball 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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| Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage) |
Start | DragonBreath Scary Face | ||
| 10 | Metal Claw | Water Pulse | Ominous Wind | |
| 20 | AncientPower | |||
| 30 | Dragon Claw | |||
| 40 | Roar of Time | Spacial Rend | Shadow Force | |
| 50 | Heal Block | |||
| 60 | Earth Power | |||
| 70 | Slash | |||
| 80 | Flash Cannon | Aqua Tail | Shadow Claw | |
| 90 | Aura Sphere | |||
File:Ani164MS.gifShinyTalk | ContribsFile:Ani408MS.gifFile:Ani410MS.gif 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation...File:Ani475MS.gif Agent 448δ | DP | ☆File:Ani282MS.gif 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Compare to this:
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| Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage) |
Start | Water Pulse | Mud Shot | Twister |
| 5 | Scary Face | |||
| 15 | AncientPower | |||
| 20 | Body Slam | Slash | Dragon Claw | |
| 30 | Calm Mind | Bulk Up | Dragon Dance | |
| 35 | Ice Beam | Earthquake | Crunch | |
| 45 | Hydro Pump | Fire Blast | Fly | |
| 50 | Rest | |||
| 60 | Sheer Cold | Fissure | Extremespeed | |
| 65 | Double-Edge | Solarbeam | Hyper Beam | |
| 75 | Aqua Tail | Earth Power | Dragon Pulse | |
| 80 | Water Spout | Eruption | Outrage | |
Or this:
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| Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage) |
Start | Explosion | ||
| 9 | Rock Throw | Icy Wind | Metal Claw | |
| 17 | Curse | |||
| 25 | Superpower | |||
| 33 | AncientPower | |||
| 41 | Iron Defense |
Amnesia |
Iron Defense Amnesia | |
| 49 | Charge Beam | |||
| 57 | Lock On | |||
| 65 | Zap Cannon | |||
| 73 | Stone Edge |
Ice Beam |
Iron Head Flash Cannon | |
| 81 | Hammer Arm | |||
| 89 | Hyper Beam | |||
File:Ani164MS.gifShinyTalk | ContribsFile:Ani408MS.gifFile:Ani410MS.gif 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. Pokemaniac102
AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.
So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!!File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Unless someone can give me official proof that these three are the trio, and that Giratina is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. Canon, people! -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif
- "May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that Ash Ketchum is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif
- How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Shipping usually has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's accepted that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif
- These three Pokémon being a trio has some logical basis, and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this may come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:
- Shipping usually has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's accepted that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -File:Spr 3e 186.gifニョロトノ666File:Spr 3e 186.gif
*They all have the same stats just mixed up. *They have similar moves, as seen above. *They look similar in appearance. *They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world. *I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.
But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, if a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).File:Ani471MS.gifPokemaniac102File:AniEggMS.gif 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --Dual 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.
PokeManiac102
01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.
- Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. Optimatum♏Talk|♊Hi 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --Dual 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the MAY be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. Dakclaw
Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. Noname
- I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life... PokeManiac102 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. Noname The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.
- whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. Hfc2x 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. Vekter 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the absence of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --Rafaelpuff 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is Shadow Force. Dark Void is Darkrai's signature. hfc2X 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--Zyphers 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written Dark Void with the ingame animation of Shadow Force in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --Rafaelpuff 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed
At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available here. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. hfc2X 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......C is for Cookie 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... Arutoa 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well then NOW it is conformed.•Pokemaniac102 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
- well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! OrigamiGuy-T-C-M 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not really. The boxart proves nothing by itself, or Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur would be a trio. But with the other evidence shared among the members of this trio (similar typing, all half Dragon; similar moves at the same levels; similar origin for their names Diamond/Dialga, Pearl/Palkia, Platina/Giratina)... well it pretty much says it all. But until we get evidence that Arceus also made Giratina, which is undoubtedly the case, I would say, the dragon trio technically is unconfirmed. Come September, though, the whole thing will become clear.
- I hate to be a hardass here, but hey, we're not taking any crap when it comes to anime Pokémon's gender (even for Ash's Charizard, and that's honestly ridiculous in my mind), so no crap is taken here. This trio is almost official. TTEchidna 05:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- Where is it written that trios have to have a master? That idea came more from the anime and the second movie than anything else. Furthermore, should we really be classifying trios of version mascots the same way we do the honest-to-God trios (ie, the birds, the beasts, the golems, the bizzare psychic things)? I've always had a problem with that. --Martonimos((Argh|Blargh)) 09:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! OrigamiGuy-T-C-M 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
No way
It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links10:03 16 May 2008
- Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? Arceausams 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Everybody wait for platinum instead of saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ". Arceausams 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- I never said anything. I just believe what I said.PM102 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. hfc2X 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thats a good point but it would still be BETTER to JUST WAIT. Arceausams 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. hfc2X 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
images
I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form. Sailor Earth 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --Martonimos((Talk)) 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree 100% Sailor Earth 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey...
Look Its a trio with it being Dialga:Time Palkia:Space Giratina: VOID with arceus being the trio master of spirit and the dragon trio. Atomix26 17:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Proof
Pokémon Platinum serves as proof that this is a trio similar to the weather trio. --Shiny Noctowl 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- Wouldn't that be like saying Lugia, Ho-Oh and Suicune are a trio? ~$aturn¥oshi THE VOICES 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Nopes. Lugia and Ho-oh are kind of a duo, and Suicune is just a version mascot. Suicune has nothing to do with Lugia and that's why they aren't a trio. In Gen III however, Groudon and Kyogre were a duo, and Rayquaza was a Pokémon that had apparently no relation to the other two (not even in its pokédex description). However in Emerald, it was revealed to be part of the trio, as it's the only one capable of stoping the effects of Kyogre and Groudon. This is exactly the same that's gonna happen with Giratina. hfc2X 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I've been thinking about something...
I was watching TV one day and they said something about Time, Space and DIMENSION. That made me think about how each of the dragon trio has a certain control over what they represent and that Giratina has control over dimension. So wouldn't that make Giratina represent Dimension? User:Darkmaster0 20:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- True. LugiaRules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same. In fact I'd like to suggest renaming the trio to a more specific term like Reality trio, as in time, space and dimension being the three elements of reality, though I prefer to leave it up for debate. --Kaoz 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe it was on doctor who - TARDIS stands for Template:P2 And Relative Template:P2 In Template:P2. Lord of Origami 12:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think this resolves everything:
| Species |  Dialga |
 Palkia |
 Giratina |
| Type 1 | Steel-type | Water-type | Ghost-type |
| Type 2 | Dragon-type | Dragon-type | Dragon-type |
| Level 10 | Metal Claw Steel-Type |
Water Pulse Water-type |
Ominous Wind Ghost-type |
| Level 40 | Roar of Time Dragon-type |
Spacial Rend Dragon-type |
Shadow Force Ghost-type |
| Level 80 | Flash Cannon Steel-type |
Aqua Tail Water-type |
Shadow Claw Ghost-type |