Talk:Silvally (Pokémon)

Griffin

It's cat-like ears, beak-like snout, eagle-shaped ax on it's forehead, bird-like forelegs, cat-like hind legs, and the shape of it's neck and it's feather-like appendages make it resemble a griffin.Robbie (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Again, Russian name...

Russian name for Silvally is Силвалли. Can't wait to see the name origin, what a sil(val)ly name for such an intimidating Pokémon! ----Celadonkey (talk) 13:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

The transcription should be as follows Silvalli|rumeaning=Transcription of English name. Sadly it's just nohting more as the written English name. :( --Raltseye prata med mej 14:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks m8! Since I don't want to mess anything up (I'm no expert on foreign languages or alphabets, I just like them) I didn't put that there. ----Celadonkey (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

No worries! There's quite few of the Russian names that isn't a transcription of their English name I'm afraid. Only like Kangaskhan, Vanilluxe, and Type: Null when I think of it actualy. --Raltseye prata med mej 15:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

And Vanilluxe and Kangaskhan are still very close. That's kind of sad, that Russian doesn't get its own Pokémon names. But it's still better than if it were not even transcribed. ----Celadonkey (talk) 18:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Update

Well, the English name origin should be updated... Lokki (talk) 18:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Biology

I saw nobody started on it yet, so I thought I'd put this here. It's still rather rough, so feel free to edit it as needed.

Silvally is a tall, quadruped with traits from a variety of animals. Its formerly gray fur is now a brilliant white, and the silver spike at the tip of its mohawk is now longer and a darker grey. The blade is now split further into two sections, with three additional white blades protruding from the back. Silvally's upper jaw is metallic, with a 'rivet' on each side and a sharp, triangular hook angling downwards near the end, resembling that of a bird. There are three red lines surrounding its black, triangular nose and a metallic 'strip' running along the middle of its snout, tapering off into a point near its ears. Silvally's ears are the same white color as its fur on the outside, being black and red on the inside. Two triangles of the same red color extend from the ears and point downwards. Silvally's limbs and torso remain mainly unchanged, and the mane of fur cascading down Silvally's neck now fully covers its chest. - unsigned comment from Spirios (talk • contribs)

Legendary status

In the game's coding, Type: Null and Silvally are classified as "sub-legendaries" (legendaries that are allowed in battle facilities), and their Pokedex page has the same green background that legendaries have. So should we call them Legendary Pokemon or not? --Master Lucario (talk) 04:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

This is a subject very similar to the discussion going on about the Ultra Beasts and the Tapus, which are also allowed in restricted gameplay. Silvally is a man-made Pokemon, and while Mewtwo shows man-made Pokemon aren't exempt from being legendary, there are multiple Silvally, similar to Porygon. Silvally is also an evolved form, but as Solgaleo and Lunala have shown, evolution among legendaries is possible. These points aren't brought up to sway one way or the other; I'm just pointing out that it is extremely difficult to tell for now, and so more information is needed. It shouldn't be added into the article until a consensus is reached. Currently, the plan is to leave it undecided until Nintendo or Game Freak give more information. (see Talk:Legendary_Pokémon) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 05:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed Silvally along with the Tapus and Ultra Beats are very special and unique Pokemon.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 16:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

English Name Origin

Seeing as how Silvally is known as the Synthetic Pokemon and has very prominent high-tech traits, I believe that it is extremely plausible that this Pokemon's name may also be a reference to the Silicon Valley region.

My contribution is just as plausible as the previous edit by the user Taylor, which noted that "ally" was intentionally replaced with "buddy".

I feel that either both edits should stay, or they should both be removed. Thoughts? ImNotGoodAtPasswords (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

That is not a compromise, that is being salty and trying to get your way. "Ally" is far more plausible and believable that "Silicon Valley".--Force Fire 04:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

The user Taylor's edit points out that Silvally's name has the word "all" in it. To me, that seems like a side effect of using the word ally, rather than an intentional decision. I am just curious why his contribution can stay while mine is removed.

I apologize for any annoyances I've caused. I just wanted to supply my own conviction on the topic. ImNotGoodAtPasswords (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

"Buddy" is an English word which implies a much closer relationship than "ally" – thus making more sense in context. However, they intentionally replaced it with another English word that doesn't really make the name any more Western-friendly than it already was. Why? Randomly? "Let's just change it because"? I don't think so. It seems to me that the only reason "ally", specifically, would be picked is because it contains "all", in contrast to the previous form's "null" and tying to the ability and lore. - Taylor (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

If they did a direct translation it would be "Silvuddy", I can understand why they altered it. As for "changing things just because" then localisation absolutely does this, they changed Isshu to Unova, Ranculus to Reuiniclus, Chandela to Chandelure, and so on. The name is not related to "Silicon Valley" or "All" because the phonetic sounds of "Ally" don't match the other two interpretations. N-Denizen (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

"Isshu" is not Western-friendly at all, "Ranculus" and "Chandela" were minor spelling alterations. This time they replaced an English word with another English word that is less fitting for the name's context (since Gladion was the one to name the species) – one that just happens to have "all" to contrast with Type: Null. Phonetically matching or not (even though we don't even know how the Pokémon's name is actually pronounced; remember RKS?), I think it's possible it isn't a coincidence; but, of course, it's all speculation (as are most name-related things unless they outright reveal where the name comes from). - Taylor (talk) 00:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Name origin

It should be mentioned in Trivia that Silvally is its name because it was named by Gladion himself (Moon pokedex entry), as opposed to it just being "known" like with other species. Would make it perhaps the only one of its kind to have that specification, except for perhaps Mewtwo. N-Denizen (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I think in trivia there should also be some mention of the ability RKS system alluding to Arceus (given the pronunciation used for Arceus is often ar-key-us). It is fairly apparent that Silvally is supposed to be similar to Arceus given its ability to change type with a hold item corresponding to every type is the same (just with different items), the fact that this then changes its appearance/forme too is similar, the pun in the ability and equally a move which changes type and is thus a guaranteed STAB move. Mikey P22 (talk) 14:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)