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Griffin

It's cat-like ears, beak-like snout, eagle-shaped ax on it's forehead, bird-like forelegs, cat-like hind legs, and the shape of it's neck and it's feather-like appendages make it resemble a griffin.Robbie (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

+1 to this motion. I'd compromise by saying it's based on the concept of a chimera but overall resembling a griffin. Headsprouter (talk) 01:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
There's maybe one part of Silvally that looks kind of like a griffin...maybe. Most of Silvally is a thorough mish-mash, deviating strongly from typical griffin characteristics. It's just a chimera; not a griffin. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Taloned forelegs, beaked head with mammalian ears, paws on rear legs. I'm counting four. Sure it lacks wings and has a fin on its arse, but it does not seem likely to me that they'd make a combo creature and out of pure coincidence choose four of the creature parts that make a Griffin. Headsprouter (talk) 21:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Those are not remotely eagle talons on its forelegs. I really don't see anything about that mouth really being a beak, unless you're drawing the wrong conclusions from the metal parts. And the mere fact that it has "paws" on its rear legs is incredibly generic at best. (The ears also are kind of nothing (definite).) Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I didn't say eagle, I said taloned. They're chitinous talons or "claws" that match the silhouette of a griffin as does most of the rest of Silvally's design. Even if paws is vague its mammalian backend significant when considered next to the rest of it. Whether or not my considering the hooked part of its upper jaw to be reminiscent of a beak is wrong is entirely subjective. I'll agree with you on the ears being small and acknowledge the lack of wings, but I really don't think I'm being unreasonable here. A lot of Pokemon could be considered chimeras by design. Blastoise has ears and a bear face. Headsprouter (talk) 22:32, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the cry sounds like a bird too. Headsprouter (talk) 22:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I think that it's fair that it be added. There are lots of origins that don't make 100% sense but are still there. Personally, the griffin thing makes more sense than a lot other things on this wiki and the origin section shouldn't be based on the perceptions of one person, even if they are a mod. ----Celadonkey 00:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I have to back Tiddlywinks on this one. It's clearly a chimera, and pretty much every body part of a standard "griffin" is either entirely absent from Silvally or too vague or generic to seem intentional. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
It's for sure a chimera, but it also has traits of griffins, more than other Pokémon have traits of certain other things. You don't have to see it, personally I don't see it, but there are a lot of shared traits, which is why Tiddlywinks added it. ----Celadonkey 13:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
*Shrug* I added it because I remembered that, yeah, origin sections get pretty speculative compared to the rest of the wiki, making it hard to truly argue, so I usually don't touch them unless it's too out there. I don't like this, but at the end of the day it's not so far enough out that I have the energy to take that much of a stand on. (And when people come off as politer than I generally expect, that's always nice/humbling. =P ) Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Just wanted to stop by to say thanks. Calling Silvally a chimera (but not THE chimera) is 100% correct, but I just wanted to suggest something that was a touch more specific and from my point of view, justified. Didn't even really need to see it added, just wanted to throw the idea out there and make sure people understood where I was coming from with it. Headsprouter (talk) 23:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
I noticed a cool tidbit which points to an avian inspiration. Silvally can learn steel wing, whereas as Type: Null with its head covered and crest held shut, it could not. Am I done talking now? Who knows? Headsprouter (talk) 06:27, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Again, Russian name...

Russian name for Silvally is Силвалли. Can't wait to see the name origin, what a sil(val)ly name for such an intimidating Pokémon! ----Celadonkey (talk) 13:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

The transcription should be as follows Silvalli|rumeaning=Transcription of English name. Sadly it's just nohting more as the written English name. :( --Raltseye prata med mej 14:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks m8! Since I don't want to mess anything up (I'm no expert on foreign languages or alphabets, I just like them) I didn't put that there. ----Celadonkey (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
No worries! There's quite few of the Russian names that isn't a transcription of their English name I'm afraid. Only like Kangaskhan, Vanilluxe, and Type: Null when I think of it actualy. --Raltseye prata med mej 15:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
And Vanilluxe and Kangaskhan are still very close. That's kind of sad, that Russian doesn't get its own Pokémon names. But it's still better than if it were not even transcribed. ----Celadonkey (talk) 18:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Update

Well, the English name origin should be updated... Lokki (talk) 18:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Biology

I saw nobody started on it yet, so I thought I'd put this here. It's still rather rough, so feel free to edit it as needed.

Silvally is a tall, quadruped with traits from a variety of animals.  Its formerly gray fur is now a brilliant white, and the silver spike at the tip of its mohawk is now longer and a darker grey.  The blade is now split further into two sections, with three additional white blades protruding from the back.   Silvally's upper jaw is metallic, with a 'rivet' on each side and a sharp, triangular hook angling downwards near the end, resembling that of a bird.  There are three red lines surrounding its black, triangular nose and a metallic 'strip' running along the middle of its snout, tapering off into a point near its ears.  Silvally's ears are the same white color as its fur on the outside, being black and red on the inside.  Two triangles of the same red color extend from the ears and point downwards.  Silvally's limbs and torso remain mainly unchanged, and the mane of fur cascading down Silvally's neck now fully covers its chest. - unsigned comment from Spirios (talkcontribs)

Legendary status

In the game's coding, Type: Null and Silvally are classified as "sub-legendaries" (legendaries that are allowed in battle facilities), and their Pokedex page has the same green background that legendaries have. So should we call them Legendary Pokemon or not? --Master Lucario (talk) 04:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

This is a subject very similar to the discussion going on about the Ultra Beasts and the Tapus, which are also allowed in restricted gameplay. Silvally is a man-made Pokemon, and while Mewtwo shows man-made Pokemon aren't exempt from being legendary, there are multiple Silvally, similar to Porygon. Silvally is also an evolved form, but as Solgaleo and Lunala have shown, evolution among legendaries is possible. These points aren't brought up to sway one way or the other; I'm just pointing out that it is extremely difficult to tell for now, and so more information is needed. It shouldn't be added into the article until a consensus is reached. Currently, the plan is to leave it undecided until Nintendo or Game Freak give more information. (see Talk:Legendary_Pokémon) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 05:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed Silvally along with the Tapus and Ultra Beats are very special and unique Pokemon.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 16:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


English Name Origin

Seeing as how Silvally is known as the Synthetic Pokemon and has very prominent high-tech traits, I believe that it is extremely plausible that this Pokemon's name may also be a reference to the Silicon Valley region.

My contribution is just as plausible as the previous edit by the user Taylor, which noted that "ally" was intentionally replaced with "buddy".

I feel that either both edits should stay, or they should both be removed. Thoughts? ImNotGoodAtPasswords (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

That is not a compromise, that is being salty and trying to get your way. "Ally" is far more plausible and believable that "Silicon Valley".--ForceFire 04:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
The user Taylor's edit points out that Silvally's name has the word "all" in it. To me, that seems like a side effect of using the word ally, rather than an intentional decision. I am just curious why his contribution can stay while mine is removed.
I apologize for any annoyances I've caused. I just wanted to supply my own conviction on the topic. ImNotGoodAtPasswords (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
"Buddy" is an English word which implies a much closer relationship than "ally" – thus making more sense in context. However, they intentionally replaced it with another English word that doesn't really make the name any more Western-friendly than it already was. Why? Randomly? "Let's just change it because"? I don't think so. It seems to me that the only reason "ally", specifically, would be picked is because it contains "all", in contrast to the previous form's "null" and tying to the ability and lore. - Taylor (talk) 21:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
If they did a direct translation it would be "Silvuddy", I can understand why they altered it. As for "changing things just because" then localisation absolutely does this, they changed Isshu to Unova, Ranculus to Reuiniclus, Chandela to Chandelure, and so on. The name is not related to "Silicon Valley" or "All" because the phonetic sounds of "Ally" don't match the other two interpretations. N-Denizen (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
"Isshu" is not Western-friendly at all, "Ranculus" and "Chandela" were minor spelling alterations. This time they replaced an English word with another English word that is less fitting for the name's context (since Gladion was the one to name the species) – one that just happens to have "all" to contrast with Type: Null. Phonetically matching or not (even though we don't even know how the Pokémon's name is actually pronounced; remember RKS?), I think it's possible it isn't a coincidence; but, of course, it's all speculation (as are most name-related things unless they outright reveal where the name comes from). - Taylor (talk) 00:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Name origin

It should be mentioned in Trivia that Silvally is its name because it was named by Gladion himself (Moon pokedex entry), as opposed to it just being "known" like with other species. Would make it perhaps the only one of its kind to have that specification, except for perhaps Mewtwo. N-Denizen (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I think in trivia there should also be some mention of the ability RKS system alluding to Arceus (given the pronunciation used for Arceus is often ar-key-us). It is fairly apparent that Silvally is supposed to be similar to Arceus given its ability to change type with a hold item corresponding to every type is the same (just with different items), the fact that this then changes its appearance/forme too is similar, the pun in the ability and equally a move which changes type and is thus a guaranteed STAB move. Mikey P22 (talk) 14:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

The game states that three Type: Null were created, and so far, only one had canonically evolved (not counting the player's). The game also implies that the Type: Full project was to create their own (albeit far less powerful) version of Arceus, given it is able to adapt to any environment. Though I wouldn't assume that Type: Null and Silvally are legendary Pokémon unless Nintendo outright confirms that their relationship with Arceus is similar to that of Mewtwo's relationship with Mew. UxieLover1994 (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Silvally in Pokémon Horizon

As can be seen here, Silvally appears in the game under the ownership of a trainer other than Gladion. The text doesn't include his name, but says he appears in chapter three. If I knew his name I'd add that info to the article. Can anyone else find out his name? Ratcicle Fan (talk) 17:49, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

That's Type: Null, the prevo for Silvally. I know nothing about Pokemon Horizon or Japanese, but it looks like this trainer doesn't have a name and that the comic isn't out yet, so we don't know. --Celadonkey 17:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for the mistake, but the chapter must be already out, since it's the third and the manga already had its first collected volume. Besides, the tweet is from last November. Ratcicle Fan (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Huh, okay. I've never heard of the Pokemon Horizon comic, but I could try to find an online version of it. --Celadonkey 18:20, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
So, already found anything? I'd check up myself, but I couldn't find the manga online anywhere, just random pages. - unsigned comment from Ratcicle Fan (talkcontribs)
Nope, couldn't find anything. --Celadonkey 21:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
His name is Tokio. But unless you have context as to the story, it's best you avoid adding any information about it. Ataro (talk) 03:54, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Silvally learning Pledge moves.

The article only lists Grass Pledge, however it should be capable of learning Fire and Water Pledges as well. It is also unclear if it can learn the Pledges in S/M as well. Can someone check this in-game? Trainer Yusuf (talk) 09:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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