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:::::So the multiple users who upheld the notion Meinshao isn't the same should also be discounted? Who you effectively went into an edit war with? I've told you Force Fire is upholding a stance that we've taken before, so he's not out of line in assuming it applies here as well, and honestly I would not call your first message on this thread or the first one below it "wondering"; it's rather openly aggressive, and forgive me for saying so. | :::::So the multiple users who upheld the notion Meinshao isn't the same should also be discounted? Who you effectively went into an edit war with? I've told you Force Fire is upholding a stance that we've taken before, so he's not out of line in assuming it applies here as well, and honestly I would not call your first message on this thread or the first one below it "wondering"; it's rather openly aggressive, and forgive me for saying so. | ||
:::::To the core: as far as I know, it's not a strict policy. Emphasis on strict. Of course there are been cases that were looked at on an individual level. But in the case of Mienshao, there is no evidence anyone has brought up to give weight to one side or the other, so why would we claim they're the same? There is no inference possible, because there is nothing to reason that cannot be countered. You can say they must be the same because of absence of evidence saying they aren't, I can say they might not be because of absence of evidence say they are, and that's all that can be said: Schrodinger's cat. There have been cases where it has been the same pokemon that evolved, and we have the unfortunate case of one where it was not, and logically, '''we probably did assume''' these cases were the same before Lenora happened. Meaning Lenora is the example that can prevent us from assuming evolutions today, but it's not often that there's zero indication in-show of cases not being the same, so this case can fall under "not said, might not be true". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | :::::To the core: as far as I know, it's not a strict policy. Emphasis on strict. Of course there are been cases that were looked at on an individual level. But in the case of Mienshao, there is no evidence anyone has brought up to give weight to one side or the other, so why would we claim they're the same? There is no inference possible, because there is nothing to reason that cannot be countered. You can say they must be the same because of absence of evidence saying they aren't, I can say they might not be because of absence of evidence say they are, and that's all that can be said: Schrodinger's cat. There have been cases where it has been the same pokemon that evolved, and we have the unfortunate case of one where it was not, and logically, '''we probably did assume''' these cases were the same before Lenora happened. Meaning Lenora is the example that can prevent us from assuming evolutions today, but it's not often that there's zero indication in-show of cases not being the same, so this case can fall under "not said, might not be true". [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
::I don't know if it is advantageous to put Lenora on the same level as Korrina because one was a one time challenge, while Korrina is a character that had a certain importance throughout the XY phase. Lenora's case is the same as we suppose that Flint has two Infernapes (this case is emblematic because it affects even the continuity of the character's plot). The case of Korrina, if they wanted to show her with a new Pokémon they would have shown her with a Pangoro or some other fighting Pokémon of the sixth Generation. | |||
I understand the confirmation thing, really, but I agree when they said that to say that it is another Pokémon is as speculation as to say that it evolved (but to believe in the evolution is more plausible than to believe in a new Pokémon). | |||
''Ps:I know I said I was going to wait for the opinion, but I was wanting to put some new information on Korrina's participation in this week's episode.''--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 21:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
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