Renaming Hero duo
Since the Legends of Galar appear to be the official terms for the duo and Eternatus. Should this page get a rename since its official?--Jacob9594 (talk) 02:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Technically speaking, as the one who added it, the name comes from a research task from the Switch version of Pokémon HOME (irrelevant but why aren't game titles written in italics on articles?) involving Zacian, Zamazenta, and Eternatus, but it seems to be the closest to an official term that we'll get. Inkster (talk) 03:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- The italics is usually done for title reasons and to show they are important , it is like how we use symbols like or ' for examples. Makes it easier to find and importance.--Jacob9594 (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- I meant why AREN'T they used on this wiki? Inkster (talk) 04:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Actually a fairly recent discussion was started on this topic over on the talk page of the Editor's Hub. Landfish7 09:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- That italics was a side comment, which is irrelevant to this discussion. Inkster (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- I know I just thought you might be interested to know that a discussion had been started on the topic of italicized game titles. Landfish7 15:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Since it's an official term, yes I would agree with renaming it to Legends of Galar, but before we do so we would need to edit this page to include Eternatus as well since it's also considered collectively part of the group with Zacian and Zamazenta. ScraftyIsTheBest (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Pretty much given Eternatus is apart of group. So is this name change ever going to happen?--Jacob9594 (talk) 04:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- I thought it would be the Darkest Day trio since the lore rvolves around the event. CloudMonarch (talk) 12:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Pretty much given Eternatus is apart of group. So is this name change ever going to happen?--Jacob9594 (talk) 04:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Since it's an official term, yes I would agree with renaming it to Legends of Galar, but before we do so we would need to edit this page to include Eternatus as well since it's also considered collectively part of the group with Zacian and Zamazenta. ScraftyIsTheBest (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I know I just thought you might be interested to know that a discussion had been started on the topic of italicized game titles. Landfish7 15:11, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- That italics was a side comment, which is irrelevant to this discussion. Inkster (talk) 13:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
- Actually a fairly recent discussion was started on this topic over on the talk page of the Editor's Hub. Landfish7 09:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- I meant why AREN'T they used on this wiki? Inkster (talk) 04:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- The italics is usually done for title reasons and to show they are important , it is like how we use symbols like or ' for examples. Makes it easier to find and importance.--Jacob9594 (talk) 04:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the HOME task is particularly good evidence that they should be viewed as a trio including Eternatus, rather than just a duo. I think it would be possible to make a lore-based case that they should be covered together, but I don't find the HOME task's existence convincing at all. The name of the HOME task is "Legends of Galar", i.e. just a shortening of "Legendary Pokémon of Galar", since the three of them are all of the non-DLC Legendary Pokémon first discovered in the Galar region (since the HOME task was added before the DLC was released). This same structure for the name of the HOME task is reflected across all languages, not just English. And since they aren't the only Legendary Pokémon from Galar anymore after the DLC anyway, I'm not sure "Legends of Galar" is even an accurate title for the page even if we do consider them a trio (although I could understand ignoring that issue and using it anyway because of the HOME mission). --SnorlaxMonster 12:46, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
- The TCG provides! Crown Zenith's two pages describe these two as "Legendary heroes". (Technically the dedicated site says "Legendary heroes of Galar".) Combined with Zacian's dex entry calling it a "legendary hero", and show descriptions using the term "hero legend" to refer to their story, I think "Legendary heroes" will work here. (For completeness sake, there are also the Legends of Galar Tins which do not come in a Eternatus version, and the two are called Legendary Warrior Pokemon on two products and Warrior Pokemon on one product. This groups them by their shared dex category. Those work too.) (Also, why doesn't this page have the template for unknown names? I'll add it.) Salmancer (talk) 19:06, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Legendary heroes is the perfect, offical, legendary title for the hero duo and would solve this long reucrring renaming issue.--Jacob9594 (talk) 06:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Since the pages were not already linked, figured I would do so:
- Pokémon TCG: Crown Zenith: Brandish your sword and shield with the Legendary heroes of Galar—Zacian and Zamazenta—featured as both Pokémon V and VSTAR!
- Pokémon TCG: Crown Zenith: The Legendary heroes Zacian and Zamazenta shine with new VSTAR Powers, and an all-star assembly of Pokémon and Trainers arrive to celebrate the era of Pokémon V!
- Pokémon Sword Zacian Pokédex entry: Known as a legendary hero, this Pokémon absorbs metal particles, transforming them into a weapon it uses to battle.
- I think this is sufficient to consider it an official name for the group. I would support renaming the page accordingly. It's also substantially similar enough to the current title "Hero duo" that using "Legendary heroes" instead shouldn't be too disruptive, even if it weren't an official name. With regards to the mention of anime episode descriptions, those episodes use the term "hero legend" to refer to the legend itself, not the Pokémon associated with it, so I don't find it to be relevant to what title to choose for this page.
- Notably, unlike legendary birds and legendary giants (as we've recently observed), it is capitalized as "Legendary heroes" (at least in the TCG, which I think is more clearly a source for the group name than the Pokédex entry). --SnorlaxMonster 10:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, I agree and support it.--Jacob9594 (talk) 13:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me. Landfish7 18:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I heavily question part of the reasoning being "shouldn't be too disruptive". Changing the names of articles is definitionally a disruptive task. If the goal was to minimize disruption, renaming articles in this manner would not be on the table at all. (Well, these Pokémon are more recent so it probably applies less, but the point still stands.) I do consider "hero legend" relevant because it contains the word that these two are being grouped under. It's not the answer, but it supports the other two sources. It's like a motif, but for names. (Two things that are related being named in similar ways is more likely to be intentional than not.) Salmancer (talk) 18:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's what SnorlaxMonster was saying. He was just stating that the proposed title isn't completely jarringly different to the old one. In any case, talk pages are for discussing changes to the content, not for nitpicking each others wording. Landfish7 19:52, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I heavily question part of the reasoning being "shouldn't be too disruptive". Changing the names of articles is definitionally a disruptive task. If the goal was to minimize disruption, renaming articles in this manner would not be on the table at all. (Well, these Pokémon are more recent so it probably applies less, but the point still stands.) I do consider "hero legend" relevant because it contains the word that these two are being grouped under. It's not the answer, but it supports the other two sources. It's like a motif, but for names. (Two things that are related being named in similar ways is more likely to be intentional than not.) Salmancer (talk) 18:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me. Landfish7 18:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, I agree and support it.--Jacob9594 (talk) 13:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Checking the script, it looks like Sonia refers to the wolf that Hop catches as a "legendary hero" in the postgame (corpus link, in-game event). I support moving the page, as the term seems to be used at least somewhat consistently across multiple media. --Apopheniac (talk) 20:34, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since the pages were not already linked, figured I would do so:
- Legendary heroes is the perfect, offical, legendary title for the hero duo and would solve this long reucrring renaming issue.--Jacob9594 (talk) 06:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)