User talk:PardescanSlowbro/Archive 1

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Abcboy (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

As a reminder, you don't need to save something every 15 minutes (or even hour, or whatever). If you plan to be heavily working on a page, just use preview and only save once, at the end, when you're actually going to take a break from it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk Page Comments

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Force Preview

Since you removed your preview warnings from your talk page, that implies that you have not read or have no intentions on reading or heeding the message. Users are expected to co-operate with staff when they are given warnings, so do take them seriously. You have been placed on force preview because making so many edits on one page, when you could've done it all in one go, is plain and simply unacceptable.--Force Fire 03:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Since my first edits I have felt targeted by individuals whom feel they can lecture me on my conduct. I am enthusiastic to bring about new and growing knowledge and would appreciate some leniency when it comes to the editing in multiple stages. I deleted the comments as I had read them and was not fully aware of the archive or the fact that on my own talk page I was being monitored by other individuals. I suggest users change their tact to accommodate and encourage new users rather than beating them with pointed sticks. - unsigned comment from Pardescan Slowbro (talk • contribs)

Those individuals are staff members, at least the ones giving you warnings. And the warnings are just that, warnings, you aren't going to be in any serious trouble if you adhere to them, leniency will come if you follow what is asked of you (that was, to use the preview button). Deleting comments once you've read them is a pretty odd thing to do, but it is frowned upon.--Force Fire 07:52, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm actually enjoying having the Force preview feature, it acts as a reminder and is coming in use. I would also like to thank you for your edits to my additions, by streamlining it and adding to them to the actual content as opposed to deleting it. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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Symbiotic Relationships

I have moved your page to your userspace at User:PardescanSlowbro/Symbiotic Relationships. Please continue to work on it and improve it there until approved by a staff member. Thanks! --Abcboy (talk) 00:29, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Not a problem, thank you PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring

Please do not continually revert an edit, it falls under edit warring and is a blockable offense. If you disagree with an edit, discuss it on the talk page, do not revert the edit. The Brock trivia is not notable, so what if Brock hasn't used the Heavy Ball. Things get forgotten all the time in the anime, it's not that significant.--Force Fire 05:52, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Your edits

I had to undo some of your edits because of the bad grammar and writing style, which made me unsure about what you were trying to communicate and I did not want to further skewer anything through any corrections. If English is not your primary language, I urge you to improve your English if you want to continue editing here without any problems. Thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your diligence as said before. Though the changes you are making are minor, such as a word change here and there. Please realise that the scale of this 'issue' is small, though you are making it sound like I am writing with spelling mistakes throughout, no full stops or sentence structure. Your comment about my English skills is out of turn, and could be considered racist. If you wish to promote better writing across other users it may be an idea to suggest how someone could improve rather than to label their writing as poor and delete stuff. Thank you Tiddlywinks for stepping in to defend my additions.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Wow, you're reaching. How is my complaint about your English considered racist? This is the English version of Bulbapedia; good English is to be expected from all new users. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Location descriptions

Why do you keep adding all these descriptions to location articles? They take up precious space and are too in-depth; there is simply no need for them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I can stop with the location descriptions. But with the information added please do not revert those changes, I do not mind an edit. But a reversion is too drastic, it is information none the less.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:13, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Also I had to re-edit the 'in the anime' section for Littleroot Town, only the laboratory's building have orange curved roofs.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

For the last time, I reverted the edit you made at Cameran Palace because there was simply no need. It was several blocky paragraphs that spend too much time explaining certain interior rooms. It takes away from the overall picture of the palace itself. A couple of sentences devoted to descriptions is fine, but an in-depth explanation of every single aspect of a location definitely takes away from the reading experience. Unless there is something extremely notable about that aspect that was demonstrated in the anime, it's just way too much depth. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

This is the kind of feedback I needed. And I was grateful to see the Cameran Palace page rejigged to incorporate both the additions and better still an improved structure. I'd much rather work in collaboration with users like yourself who know a lot about how everything here works. I'm still starting out with the editing, to become more accustomed to Bulbapedia's styling, making it both accessible to people of all literacy levels and at the same time informative. I've made a note that if a location was to be described in detail it would have to have an event pivotal to some character development or background information, and will endeavour to streamline any future edits before publishing. Thanks.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:39, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I've been giving you feedback through my edit summaries. And I'm still thinking if the material at the Cameran Palace article needs to be deleted. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:44, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Character descriptions

Unless it's a main character, there's no need to write in-depth explanations on a certain anime character's personality and characteristics, especially if it's an anime character based on a game character. Such sections should be succinct and to the point. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Your edits again

Perhaps you should pay attention to what I'm doing to fix your edits. It really is getting grating for me to improve the spelling and grammar you use. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

You are blowing things out of proportion. I don't have issues with grammar or spelling like you are suggesting. The detail comment I can agree on, and have been streamlining my approach. I've noted your edits which are literally changing apostrophes, a new arrangement of the exact same info and a word change or two. You seem to be the only one angered by the so called issues with my grammar which aren't actually issues. If there is a significant issue I suggest you get one of the administrators to absolve it as I'm clearly 'illiterate' and also completely oblivious to such matters. Hopefully the bad grammar in this comment isn't too much of a strain to read. Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

You keep misusing "whom" as you recently did here, misspelling "unbeknownst" as you recently did here (see fourth paragraph), and using run-on sentences (littered here and there in the latter diff). There's probably more, but I cannot remember at the moment because I am getting drowsy. But these are things I've noticed first and foremost whenever I have to fix your edits. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:32, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Please be aware that I view your previous deletions and comments on my discussion page as harassment and bullying, and I do not use these words lightly. Also acknowledge that you share consistent aggression and vitriol towards me because of a word choice or two. I believe you have been out of turn and highly judgemental, using presumed higher intelligence hence the attacks on 'English skills', 'grammar' and 'spelling' to attempt to belittle me. This is a public forum with people of all walks and capacities, with one aim in mind: to distil information. Also note that your suggestions regarding streamlining and less detailed additions have been worked into my editing approach. Unsubstantiated criticism of me was not ever going to work, though suggesting how best to function remains the best fit approach. You have been spoken to by both Force Fire and Tiddlywinks regarding your manner towards me and I suggest you obey such suggestions. My words maybe harsh and stern though that is the intent given my thoughts on your actions towards me. I request that you respect my space and as suggested speak to a higher authority if my actions are problematic or require further interpretation. Thank you PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I apologize when I earlier said you had to improve your English skills. I should not have expected you to learn 100% good English right off the bat. But what I expect you to do now, which I feel is perfectly reasonable, is pay attention to what I and others do in response to your edits and learn from them at your own speed as I have done. Seeing that you know what kind of changes I've been making to your episode plots, surely you also know there's a pattern to such changes (as I've just mentioned above). I do not expect you to learn these right away, but I also do not want to keep making the same changes over and over again without the knowledge that you're at least trying to apply what I've pointed out. Also, I do not want to bring in an admin at the moment because it would be very petty of me to do so. I want to try and talk it out first because I can definitely tell you are trying your best. Also, I apologize if I sounded aggressive; like I said before, I am a bit drowsy and trying to maintain my attention on this. Please do not be so emotional about this. I'm trying to be as constructive as I can. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 09:13, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Nurse Joy and other such articles

When a character has been present in the anime for as long as Nurse Joy has been, it's absolutely necessary for their history sections to only include the episodes in which they played major, pivotal roles. This is why I had to remove some examples from the edits you made, because they were only minor appearances and they cannot be there. Hopefully you keep that in mind when you continue to fill up the following sections and other such articles with potential missing information. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, will keep that in mind. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I told you that minor appearances are not allowed. When you describe Nurse Joy's appearances in any given episode as "small", then that should be a code-red alert for you not to include them. Also, it's not really proper decorum to edit section by section. If you're going to fill up all of the sections with more info, it's better to just take care of all of them in one single edit. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:46, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I must be dim. I thought you said major appearances equals appearances where the individual was central to the plot? Some of the deleted points may need to be reinstated based solely on this definition. As for the section by section editing it was purely added convenience, I was saving you all the trouble of scrolling through too many additions. Convenient, right? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

For a character like Nurse Joy, can you please make sure to note episode where she does not only helps others with small tasks or heal Pokémon, because it's Nurse joy, of course she heals Pokémon or help others. It doesn't need to be mentioned every single time. Only appearances where she plays a major (i.e. related to the plot of the episode) role in the episodes gets mentioned.--Force Fire 12:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the note of specificity. Some of the info deleted for the Battle Frontier section included the fact that a particular Nurse Joy appeared for several concurrent episodes, one used a meganium to heal other Pokémon (which was briefly included prior to my edits- so they must have been okay at one point?). Is it possible at least those two points be restored? PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's worth noting that a Nurse joy appears multiple times if she only did something notable in one episode. The Meganium Joy only appears to heal Grovyle and rescue Ash, which is normal for a Nurse Joy. It didn't get removed before because either it was overlooked or it was added at a time when our notability rules were more lax.--Force Fire 12:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I believe the fact that a particular Nurse Joy appeared for several episodes (AG186 to AG190), even though her other appearances were as said nothing of significance is at least something worth mentioning. I cannot think of another case where one Nurse Joy in particular was present in multiple episodes, at least to this extent. And I can't agree with the other Joy who was key to the episode plot, she has three unique features, drives a vehicle, has a meganium and adopted a tropius, fundamentally all she did was heal grovyle, but as you are aware that is what most of Nurse Joy's appearances include.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly what I said. There's nothing about the deleted points that would indicate they fall under "major appearances". Can you give any specific examples so I know what exactly you're talking about? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

I'd requested that the changes for the Battle frontier section be restored, particularly about the fact one nurse joy (the fennel valley one) appeared for several episodes and the paragraph on episode ag161, which the nurse had several 'unique' features including a meganium and was key to the episode's storyline. Aside from those two points I am comfortable with the other deletions seeing as the other instances are minor, not necessarily unique and did not add to the storyline of the episode. Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 01:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

It's exactly what Force Fire said, this Nurse Joy appeared only to heal Ash's Grovyle. Judging by what you wrote of it before it was deleted, it seems as if Nurse Joy's Meganium had the major role in the episode it appeared in whilst its Trainer was in the sidelines. This could be why it was deleted. You could remedy this by expanding the infobox mentioning Nurse Joy's Meganium, but otherwise, Force Fire is in the right here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

That point now makes sense, now that I think about it. Thank you for the clarification. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 01:54, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Style

Please remember to spell Pokemon terms correctly. First and foremost being: Pokémon, not "Pokemon". Also things like "Pokémon Trainer" (not "trainer").

Also, don't use shortcuts or informal language like "Nurse Joy MC's a mock contest". You may like to refer to Bulbapedia's manual of style. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

My apologies for the mistakes and informalities noted. Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Another thing to point out, in regards to this: there always needs to be an accented e ("é") for Pokédex and similar articles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:11, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Please refrain from copying my pattern of edits GrammarFreak01, it was never a coincidence with you from day one. I appreciate the fact that you have 'legitimised' the added details to the episode 1 to 44 pages, but some others are tedious to say the least. Do not respond, merely change your behaviour and that will be acknowledgement enough that you have heeded my concerns. Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you give me examples of what I did that was tedious? Everything you did literally needed some sort of correction, so I'd like to know what you think I did wrong. And please don't forget to sign your messages. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Quit being smart - you know the pattern of behaviour you are doing. My edits aren't the issue, the things you are changing have been untouched for years. I suggest you add and edit the episode plots yourself from now on, given how much of an expert you seem to be with everything grammatical. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I never have the time for massive edits such as those anymore. I can only manage smaller edits like the ones I'm doing right now. You seem to have an issue with people doing some finishing touches to your edits. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:36, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

And believe me, I have done those kinds of edits before to episode plots. But I eventually got tired of seeing so much immaturely written plots that I decided to put that on the backburner. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

This has never been a case of me. Get this through your head, you are the only issue I have. No one else edits my work because they know you will criticise their edits and do it your way instead. You are hypercritical, make minor changes and still maintain you have a higher standard of work then anyone else. You get angsty about minor errors, become obsessed with other users who you seek to destroy and most importantly your line of behaviour towards me and other people cripples any resolve and desire to assist. I've told you the way you treat myself is not okay and should not continue, but you persist. Leave me alone and focus on things you wish to edit, not what other people decide to edit. Again do not respond - it means you have not acknowledged anything either here, nor now and nor ever. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

You know what? I've really had enough of your stinginess and overreacting. I've tried to inform you of what kind of errors you keep making in your edits and that didn't seem to work, in spite of my attempt at being rational. Other users had something to say about your style and you did not seem to have a problem with them. I will assume your tone towards me is because of my original message towards you, which you somehow construed as racist. Even though I eventually apologized a couple of times.

Bulbapedia is meant to be a collaborative place, and constructive criticism is supposed to be a part of that. It helps with improvement. If you took my advice to heart and tried applying it, I wouldn't have kept applying changes to your edits. You're always going to see someone who'll fill in those blanks, no matter how minor they are. I seriously don't know how or why it's always me, which leads me to assume people really don't pay attention to the plot sections of older episodes. And like I said, I no longer have the time and motivation to do what you're doing right now. But here's the story: I get email notifications on articles I've edited before, it shows you've done an edit, no one else has done anything to improve it, and I have no choice but to be that guy.

I tried telling you before some of what I keep doing to your edits so we could avoid future confrontations like this one, yet you seem to insist on having your way. And I tried asking for details on what I'm doing that's agitating you, but you claim I already know the answer (I seriously, seriously do not). If you want to do it this way, then I guess I'm going to have to pull in an admin for this. Let's see what happens. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Confrontation has only occurred because you decided and continue to engage with me in a manner that is aggressive, demeaning, bullying and plain harassment. You keep labelling me as overreactive - not acknowledging your inflammatory actions. Your apologies are meaningless especially when I have voiced my concerns several time, once should have been enough, though you persisted. You have not provided constructive criticism for most of your edits, only blatant excuses. Your version of collaboration is to push everyone out the way and do it yourself, then get angry when someone confront you about such behaviour. As said your preceding edits are following mine, and it was never a coincidence - you made a conscious decision to take on those pages, though you were not required to even though, instead prior to my additions you started adding that message to the pages major plot section remained problematic with lacklustre detail. And an admin sounds like a fantastic idea - would you like to contact them, or should I?. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I just did. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent)PardescanSlowbro: This is a wiki. That means any other user is allowed to edit something you've edited later. It's not personal, it's not bullying or harassment or whatever. Just because a user cares about the pages you edit that doesn't mean they're targeting you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

The extent of it is my issue, over 40 pages - not the fact that pages are being edited. The user also admitted to keeping tabs on me deliberately PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

How about this: point me to an unnecessary edit GrammarFreak01 has made on your edit? Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Episodes 43, 44, Dick and Phillip, episode 8 are some of the few I could find, just based on a brief look. Though some of the larger scale edits have simply been rearrangements.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:58, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

It helps if you can link the diffs you're talking about, but...

On EP043, I'll just stop with the first thing GrammarFreak01 edited: that "and" is certainly not unnecessary, it's a run-on otherwise. For that matter, I'd say that the sentence was fine/better before the edit you made to it. If there was something you disliked that you wanted to fix, I'm not sure what it was; just, in the end, the result was not "better". (I hope you understand that this is meant as honest criticism and not a put-down or anything.)
Removing "with fever" on EP044 is fine. Honestly, IMO a "fever" isn't really an "illness", so "fallen ill with fever" seems awkward to me. And it seems you made a subsequent change that was left alone... So in short it worked out better for everyone. This is a good process, not something to resent.
The rewording on EP008 is frankly much better than your wording. The way you wrote it, it's like the reader never has a "breath" in the lead up to AJ's name. I'll again say, IMO the last two sentences here were fine/better before your edit.
The semicolon on Dick and Philip's page doesn't even touch anything you actually changed, honestly. That sentence was structured fundamentally the same before and after your edit. It's not something you should interpret as targeting you.

It's not a crime for someone to keep tabs on another person's edits. It's not necessarily harassment for them to edit that person's edits. They may well need touching up. And even if you think it doesn't, two people can have different ideas about what's "good". In some of what I checked above, it looks like there are definitely things GrammarFreak01 left alone that you changed. If they're not completely altering everything you've touched such that no trace of the edit(s) you made remains, I don't think you should take it so personally. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate that you looked into the few instances that I mentioned in an attempt to settle me down. Though my issue is the cumulation of things with this one user. My full statement on ForceFire's page details my irritation with the user's actions and I need reassurance such behaviour will not continue. I have attempted to reason with the user, though the conduct in question persisted beyond formal warnings from myself and administrators. I am not having my thoughts on the matter watered down and fully aware of what collaborative means. I am not overreacting, I am wanting action taken to avoid any more bullying and harassment from GrammarFreak01 PardescanSlowbro (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

GrammarFreak

After reviewing a few of the edits he has made after you, I believe that he has done nothing wrong. All he is doing is improving your edits, by removing unnecessary sentences, adding link templates, and improving a sentence or paragraph so it flows better when read. There is absolutely nothing wrong with improving another user's edits, this is a public wiki and anyone can edit it. As for the so-called harassment, I do not believe he is harassing you. GrammarFreak has said that he gets notifications when a page he edited has been edited by someone else, he then goes to see what the edit is and improves it if it needs improving. That is all he is doing. No harassment at all. I do a similar thing where I check the some of the edits from the recent changes from when I am away. It is not against the rules or policy to check and/or improve other users edits, again, it is a public wiki. As for his talk page comments towards you, there is no malice in it. He is simply guiding you to become a better editor. Your edits does have some flaws, like not using link templates or over usage of commas, and they do need fixing. As for why it's always GrammarFreak, like he said, he gets notified when a page gets edited and checks to see if the edits needs improving. No malice at all. Bulbapedia is a collaborative effort, so your edits are not going to be the final edit. It iss going to get changed, whether you like it or not. GrammarFreak has not been bullying you, you are the one overreacting. GrammarFreak has been to told to tone it down, and he has done that on his part. You on the other hand, need to calm down. No one is out to get you, users are just trying to help you improve. If you are frustrated that your edits keeps getting reverted or changed, either bring it up to a staff member, or check to see why they were changed, see what changes were made and learn from it. Don't go accusing other users of bullying and harassment, because that is definitely not what is happening. Thank you.--Force Fire 06:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I have been expanding my template literacy and the overuse of commas has been duly noted and will be a factor monitored from now on.

I was aware that the edits made were to improve the page as a whole and were not targeting my changes, my issue was the scale and the fact that every page I edited was soon edited by the one user in particular, with no guidance given to myself to ensure that I had the skills to make substantial and positively effective edits. Notifications or not, the user has admitted there was intent in their actions and did not contact myself to alert me to the issues at hand. GrammarFreak01's value as an editor is undeniable, though their conduct has been in question. As pointed out, if the user is unwilling to reveal their secrets to success it is best they take on those pages alone, as clearly my efforts must be fruitless.

His manner has been blunt and critical, with things having the ability to be misread, and given the cumulative nature of run ins, his comment on discussion page was the straw that broke the camel's back. The comments left on my discussion page are not of a helpful nature, with one simple error being pointed out and the user's insistence of my illiteracy.

Two things I would like to request:

1. A list of other users who would be good guides to myself for editing.

2. A list from GrammarFreak01 detailing things the user considers when they make their edits.

I've since calmed down though require that future contact from GrammarFreak01 on my discussion page be of a further respectful and less pestering nature. Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

"Notifications or not, the user has admitted there was intent in their actions and did not contact myself to alert me to the issues at hand." Sigh. I freaking told you before what you tended to do wrong with your edits. This is what you had to say to me. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Let's keep a level head (all around), please.

Also, communication is a two-way street, PardescanSlowbro. If you wanted advice from GrammarFreak01, you could have asked as well—and can going forward. Honestly, I would generally think it would be possible for a user to learn by examining corrections made to their edits, like ForceFire suggested. If that doesn't work well enough for you, you should be capable of reaching out. After all, going directly to a user with criticism is always going to be a little invasive; the mood is much nicer, though, if one user comes to another asking for advice. Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

My apologies, but it is naturally frustrating when someone makes all of these assertions about me without realizing that I have done the contrary at any point during this situation. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:45, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

GrammarFreak "always" editing after you is just a matter of other users not bothering to check/improve your edits. GrammarFreak is not targeting you, it's just that no one else is bothering to fix your edits, so GrammarFreak does it. GrammarFreak has guided you. He has contacted you and alerted you of the errors in your edits. What is GrammarFreak's intent according to you? He is not belittling your English skills, he is simply asking you to improve your skills. The most recent advice GrammarFreak gave you was an important one. Pokémon, and any other terms that uses "Poké", are always spelled with an accented e. He didn't freak out over one small error, he kindly gave you advice. And you went ahead and blew it all out of proportion. I have also read your comments on my talk page. Your claims were not ignored, this entire section is about your claim. They were "denied" because I personally find that GrammarFreak has done nothing wrong, and all the evidence you provided shows that he has done nothing wrong. He was not told to keep his distance by you, I could not find one instance on your talk page where you asked him to keep his distance. If you wanted him to keep his distance, then tell him that, don't just think he knows that you want him to back off. Accounts can't be deleted on Bulbapedia. While I'm sorry that you are leaving on bad terms, just know that just because your edits were always changed by the same user, doesn't mean that you are being targeted, bullied, or harassed. I hope you return with a clearer head, but if not, then best wishes.--Force Fire 06:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I evaluated my conduct and agree that I wish to remain a collaborative member of this broader project. I'll be onboard less, though will still attempt to have a good and meaningful impact. Thankyou Tiddlywinks and ForceFire for your examination of my claims and I will clarify they were in fact made out of frustration. The reason for that frustration can be rectified by my own conduct and may be not staring at a screen for too long, by continuing on to learn to edit and produce better quality additions and request help when needed. Thank you both for your input again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 14:11, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Style again

In regards to this edit, I notice you still do not put an accent over the e whenever you're linking the Pokédex article. Also, it's very important that you capitalize the first letters of types whenever you're talking about types or attacks. For example, it should be written as "Water", not "water". If the word has absolutely nothing to do with Pokémon types or attacks, then you should be in the clear for not capitalizing it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

In regards to this edit, I notice you have a tendency to treat the nouns "group" and "trio" as plural, thus using verbs like "decide" and "are". However, they're actually singular, so the verbs "decides" and "is" are more appropriate for usage. The same goes for the name "Team Rocket"; regardless of whether you're referring to the organization or the trio, it should be regarded as a singular noun, unless you introduce a plural noun like "they" into the sentence. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

In regards to this edit, you should never begin a sentence with "though", otherwise it is an incomplete sentence. It can be fixed by merging that sentence with the one preceding it. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers. I am glad to see the earlier episode pages, sun and moon episodes and Pokémon biology sections in a better state then before either your or my edits. Much appreciated PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:14, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. You may see more pointers from me as I continue to scour through the edits you made in the past couple of weeks. I apologize if I will point out something that you have since improved on after the edit(s) in question. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

In regards to this edit, I do not see how using "natives" to describe Alola's citizens can necessarily suggest "a development discourse". I understand that "native" can refer to indigenous peoples, who have been plagued with certain stereotypes. But that is only one of many definitions, and the others are more acceptable, thus being completely appropriate for usage. For example, an alternate definition for native is a local inhabitant in general. For example, you are a native of your home country. I'm not sure if you're a member of that country's indigenous people, but if you're not, "native" is still an accurate description of you. I'm a native of the United States, even though I am not of Native American descent. People who live in Alola are definitely the region's natives.

On a side-note, I just cannot see how using "native" is equivalent to directly bringing up certain stereotypes about a certain people. The connection is vague at best. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:52, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The term was not used in any description and probably for good reason, I would like the terminology to be consistent and inclusive of everyone. Whether you or other users see an issue or not, the term is not used by the official literature, plus the issue of development discourse, hence the change. Please undo that adjustment.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:56, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Just because it was not used in any other description doesn't necessarily mean people were going out of their way to avoid using that word out of concern of offending someone. For all we know, another article is using that word and we're not aware of its existence; there are thousands of articles here, a number of which have not been attended to in years. I think usage of the word is an issue Force Fire (talk • contribs) or another admin should address. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:01, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Development discourse isn't necessarily even a case of deliberate racism, it can be as minor as utilising words which reflect it and not addressing topics which may be of concern to particular demographics; incidental. And while this one article may be an identified case out of a potential thousands of others, doe not mean the issue, when seen should go unnoticed and not rectified because others have willingly or unwillingly decided to use such loaded language. Your feelings are just that, yours, though you cannot assume what other people may think or feel, and the best policy is to be inclusive anyway. A third party opinion would be best. Thanks PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:10, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

I will have to point out that this is a wiki about Pokémon, not politics of any kind. Nothing here is ever meant to be offensive or inflammatory, even in the slightest. If any users want to act otherwise, the response is quick and efficient. I have seen it firsthand. I'm sure the person who put the word there in the first place was acting in good faith. Also, I don't want to sound like an ignorant prick who knows it for sure, but I seriously, honestly don't think anyone of indigenous descent will make the connection to incidental racism because there are different ways to use that word, like I mentioned earlier. I have seen and heard it being used like that many times before. I'm not sure what you mean by "official literature", but I digress.

Either way, I have reached out to Force Fire about our concerns. I'll stop throwing my two cents now and see what happens next. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:34, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with using the word native, as GrammarFreak stated, it can mean someone who is a local inhabitant of the country. You're thinking too deep into the negative connotations of the word.--Force Fire 09:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

In regards to this edit, I notice you're still using run-on sentences. It's also important to link the Berry article. In addition, I've also removed the "Flame Pokémon" mention, but that's only because I've never seen a Pokémon's species name ever being used in a section like "Biology" and thus I thought it'd be appropriate for removal. If there is indeed precedent for that practice and you think I was in the wrong for the removal, you could restore it if you'd like. But everything else is important to note. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:31, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Nidoqueen and Rhyhorn's offspring

I haven't seen Mewtwo Returns in a while so I cannot confidently make this edit for myself. But if you're going to mention Nidoqueen and Rhyhorn's offspring, it'd be much better to list them as individual entries in the bulleted list. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and will do.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:54, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

In regards to your fix, I'm confused. Are the offspring supposed to be Nidoqueen and Rhyhorn's pre-evolved forms or are they actually Nidoqueen as well? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Pardon me, but didn't you notice this? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:41, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

The special featured miniature versions of Rhyhorn and Nidoqueen - its a breeding anomaly which was also outlined in the article's trivia section.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't read the trivia section. That's weird. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

"Dead" characters in the anime

Something else I have to note for you. This wiki usually never takes the anime's implication that certain characters have died to face-value, and thus leaves their fates unknown instead. Unless Alex's grandfather was verbally confirmed to have died (I haven't seen that episode in a while, so I don't know), his fate should be kept ambiguous. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I've read up on the anime physics idea and am completely aware of the ambiguity that some features of the anime. It was clearly stated in the episode by his grandson, hence why I added that sentence back in on the article in question. Thanks for the information, it is duly noted.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:50, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, so Alex clearly stated that his grandfather is dead? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, then by all means, restore those edits. My bad. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Not a problem. Also thanks for the affirmation on FinnishPokéFan92's talk page regarding the stub editing PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation links

Please don't forget that there are multiple characters in the anime that share the same name. Failing to take this into account will result in novice readers being directed to disambiguation articles, not the actual articles you were trying to link, such as what you did with the Togepi Paradise article. Please keep this in mind next time. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

You did it again with Cal. I will also have to note that anime characters can share the same names as unrelated game characters. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:56, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Like last time it was a mistake, which is always possible with large scale edits. You fixed it, so thank you.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, it's important to keep track of the kinds of characters you're linking. At some point, you should not rely on others to make these simple changes. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Duly noted and will make the necessary adjustments to ensure the standards Bulbapedia desires. Thanks.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 07:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Making new sections on talk pages

If you want to make a new section on a talk page, simply click the "+" tab in between the "edit this page" and "history" tabs on the top of the page. You don't need to edit the bottom most section to add your section. Thank you.--Force Fire 06:16, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that function, I'll use it for next time. Thanks for the information. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:18, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

"Natives" subject continued

Just because Abcboy said it was okay for "natives" to be removed from the Raichu article doesn't necessarily mean he allowed you to go out of your way to purge the word itself from all other articles. In fact, he has constantly said "that particular article" every time he explained his decision (as in the Raichu article). If you're looking for an outright censorship of the word in all articles, you should ask him for clarification (although I should point out I already shared my concerns with him). GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Get your facts straight - the pages changed were changed with the ruling in mind and it is not a censorship of the word. It is only one context that if of issue, when a group of people (plural) are described as natives it is inappropriate. As Abcboy said if a less loaded word can be used then that it better. I'm not going to change every article that features the word or something similar as for the most part and as noted it refers to someone (an individual) being local to an area, which is perfectly fine. Someone is native to an area, this person speaks only in their native tongue are perfectly acceptable.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 02:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Abcboy also said it can be used "to identify a person's origins" (which these articles do), and that "Regardless, there's no point in going around changing it." GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

It also said 'official literature', which overrides any personal opinion. So I suggest you revert your changes as it is isn't in the mind or context of the actual ruling.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Huh? Abcboy absolutely does not mention anything about "official literature" here or here. Mind being a bit more specific? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

'Original source' and 'official usage' are the turns of phrase used by Abcboy. Episode and movie blurbs, actual episode and movie scripts and the Pokémon company's own pages (in ratatta's case like the Raichu page} do not use the word 'natives'. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I just checked and the episode 96 page does use the phrase the natives, but still feel we can be more appropriate. Additionally the plot summary uses the words 'people' and villagers' instead, so the blurb in this case is an anomaly that shouldn't be rectified. Though Rattata and Tobias (M02) are not negotiable in this sense.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Why didn't you use those terms before, then? It would've made things less confusing. Anyway, I would've accepted that logic if it weren't for the fact that the sections that are at the center of this dispute are NOT biology sections. For the Rattata article, it's the "Origin" section, while for the Onix and Nidoking articles, it's the "Minor appearances" section. The information found in the "Origin" section relies on personal knowledge of the real-life animal kingdom, while the information in the "Minor appearances" section relies on one's memory of which Pokémon species appeared in any given episode. For these sections, there are no original sources or ways of official usage that dictate the kind of language that should or should not be used, like the "Biology" section. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Also, M02 didn't provide specifics on the residents of Shamouti Island, so at this point, anything goes. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

In addition, I don't know what is supposed to be so special or official about blurbs. What are they supposed to be, exactly? I'm legitimately curious. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:59, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

You are telling me it matters which section is, why? Also the blurbs are obtained from Pokémon.com, an official resource under the Pokémon Company banner.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I just figured that out. I will be undoing some of those edits. But I do still have disagreements about Rattata. Are there really official sources that explicitly explain what real-life animals certain Pokémon are based off of? To my knowledge, the "Origin" sections are all original research based on one's knowledge of the real-life animal kingdom. Recently, a user named Utsuro has been adding information on the "Origin" sections of several Pokémon that did not go unchallenged, so I came to the conclusion that they were all the work of independent research. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

No there isn't, but of course those sections would be evidence based. In Rattata's case it is however stated on https://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-au/pokemon/alolan-rattata/, which gives a fantastic amount of detail and where such information would have been based on.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

The link you provided says absolutely nothing about what animal Alolan Rattata is supposed to be based on. I'm not sure where you want me to look. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:18, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

The change I made was only in regards to Alolan Rattata, and the written section is located below the image and goes onto explain why it was imported into Alola without using any synonym related to 'natives' or 'people'. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Yes, I saw the written section. Now, if it doesn't specifically refer to any people in particular, then anything goes, right? There's really no harm if an official source doesn't dictate which word should be used. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Or you could consider that it isn't used for a reason. The reason for a word being used is just as important as it is when it isn't used at all. Even when I made the change I found even a replacement term was unneeded.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Or maybe there's just no reason at all. They're just promoting the Pokémon, after all. Thinking about how the words and language will come off to certain ethnic groups was probably the last thing on the mind of whoever wrote that entry. How are we ever going to know for sure? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

We simply can't. But I was never under the assumption that anyone either on this site or within the Pokémon Company would deliberately want to be discriminatory. Even looking through the banned episodes page which outlines the historic controversy throughout the anime series, none of it was intentional. Even so, the company and others made conscious decisions to protect their respective audience and in some cases made changes to avoid it repeating. Most recently SM064- I watched the episode and didn't consider that it was representing blackface, but once it was pointed out I thought I can see that now. Inclusivity and acknowledging the potential concerns of others is the best policy for everyone, and if an issue is brought to hand things can be adapted to avoid continuing it.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

You know what, I'm done. I'm over it. I don't want to continue this anymore.

Let me tell you something: I loathe politics of any shape or form. I loathe the inherent toxicity it brings. I loathe every fiber of the concept. I loathe it for being so complicated, and because of the apparent public need for it to be so black-and-white. So when I see Pokémon, I see a way to escape from all of that crap. I sincerely thought I would never see any of that crap in any Pokémon-related site. I thought I would never get to talk about racial sensitivity and political (in)correctness and all that other junk. I never associated Pokémon, individually or franchise-wise, with any sort of racial controversy. I never thought I would. I just saw it as a childhood icon.

But with this debacle, the SM064 controversy, and what's recently been going on in America, I have now been left in this limbo between all-out rage and frustration, and pure defeat.

When you wanted to remove the word "native" because it was potentially racist and insensitive and whatnot, that was the last thing I wanted to see from anyone here. That's why I wanted this to not work out in your favor. When you get a word censored because it could be offensive and the higher-ups allow you to have your way, that's when more of the politics is allowed to seep in. I was hoping this would be over with, but you kept on pushing, and then SM064 happened, and no matter how much I wanted to not make this thing a racial issue while defusing it, I realized it already became one the moment you made the first move. I just fed the fire by being on the opposite side.

So yeah, I'm just about done with this. You can do whatever you want with it. I am out of my mind right now. Let it be known that I am not a racist, I just find the basis of this campaign to be absolutely stupid and a product of overreaction. I still disapprove of this and hope you never try to expand this line of thinking to anything else. But I'm not going to pursue this any further. I think we've both reached levels of toxicity at this point, so I'm withdrawing before I reach critical mass.

Congratulations. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

"Complement" vs. "compliment"

"Complement" as you're spelling it means "something that completes something else or makes it better." The proper term I presume you were trying to use should be "compliment". GrammarFreak01 (talk) 17:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be helpful? or derogatory? In future do not comment on my discussion page, unless you require clarity on one of my edits, which I can see you are clearly following, or wish to enlist my assistance to complete a task. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:08, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

This was supposed to be helpful. If you can't handle constructive criticism from me or anyone else, then you're not cut out to edit here, because it's a part of the Bulbapedia life. Trust me, you already received such criticism from other users here, here, and here, for starters. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

You are not being constructive, instead you are lecturing me on my English skills, again. The reference to how to spell and a dictionary definition comes across as discriminatory and showing off for the sake of it. The examples you provided were glaring issues, like coding practices and using the edit preview. It wasn't even necessary for you to point out what would otherwise be considered as a minor editing error, given the scale of the issue is literally one word. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)