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::Isn't "delayed release" just another word for "event", in this context? After all, you can catch Mew in Emerald, but you can't do so until a delayed release event. When Ruby/Sapphire were released, one couldn't legitimately get Volt Tackle. Not knowing how they'd give you access to the move, wouldn't it be reasonable to consider it an event-exclusive move? That the "event" ended up being "the release of Emerald" is irrelevant to this point. And yes, Kinesis would be both an event move and a signature move - nothing wrong with that. It was an event move in Red/Blue, and then a signature move after that. Volt Tackle was an event move in RS/FRLG, and a signature move after that. V-Create is currently an event move. It may happen that, with the "third version" release, Victini will be able to learn V-Create by move tutor or level up, in which case it would be a signature move. Until the move can be "learned", it really can't be called a signature move. It is ''speculated'' that the move was made for Victini, but it's only speculation, it hasn't been confirmed. It's entirely possible that, come the next pokemon game, it will be Rayquaza that learns it naturally, and not Victini... would that make it a Rayquaza signature move? [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 04:37, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | ::Isn't "delayed release" just another word for "event", in this context? After all, you can catch Mew in Emerald, but you can't do so until a delayed release event. When Ruby/Sapphire were released, one couldn't legitimately get Volt Tackle. Not knowing how they'd give you access to the move, wouldn't it be reasonable to consider it an event-exclusive move? That the "event" ended up being "the release of Emerald" is irrelevant to this point. And yes, Kinesis would be both an event move and a signature move - nothing wrong with that. It was an event move in Red/Blue, and then a signature move after that. Volt Tackle was an event move in RS/FRLG, and a signature move after that. V-Create is currently an event move. It may happen that, with the "third version" release, Victini will be able to learn V-Create by move tutor or level up, in which case it would be a signature move. Until the move can be "learned", it really can't be called a signature move. It is ''speculated'' that the move was made for Victini, but it's only speculation, it hasn't been confirmed. It's entirely possible that, come the next pokemon game, it will be Rayquaza that learns it naturally, and not Victini... would that make it a Rayquaza signature move? [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 04:37, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::The reason I used "delayed release" over "event" is because event specifically refers to things only available via event distributions, which is not true of things like Kinesis and Volt Tackle. It is unreasonable to assume a move is an event move if it has not been released yet—those are "unreleased moves" ({{m|Sacred Sword}} and {{m|Relic Song}} of course are exceptions due to being triggered by events, and {{m|Snarl}} was as well before it was available due to the event TM). However, I'm not really sure how this "event move" argument is relevant here anyway. And Mew in Emerald is still event-exclusive. However, I agree with you that it is not currently a signature move, and that it may become one again in the next game. Also, I highly doubt Rayquaza will learn it outside of events if Victini doesn't—however, it is possible that if there is a move tutor, they would both be able to learn it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | :::The reason I used "delayed release" over "event" is because event specifically refers to things only available via event distributions, which is not true of things like Kinesis and Volt Tackle. It is unreasonable to assume a move is an event move if it has not been released yet—those are "unreleased moves" ({{m|Sacred Sword}} and {{m|Relic Song}} of course are exceptions due to being triggered by events, and {{m|Snarl}} was as well before it was available due to the event TM). However, I'm not really sure how this "event move" argument is relevant here anyway. And Mew in Emerald is still event-exclusive. However, I agree with you that it is not currently a signature move, and that it may become one again in the next game. Also, I highly doubt Rayquaza will learn it outside of events if Victini doesn't—however, it is possible that if there is a move tutor, they would both be able to learn it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | ||
::::The relevance is that it gives an argument towards ''not'' including V-Create on this page. Indeed, I'd argue that, even prior to the event Rayquaza, it was not a Signature Move, because the move was only available through an event, and thus couldn't be reliably associated with Victini, even if Victini was the only one that had gotten it. Let me give you a hypothetical analogy. Suppose that, during Gen III, an event occurred for FRLG, where you got a Voltorb that knows Volt Tackle. Would that make Volt Tackle a Voltorb signature move? I mean, it has "Volt" in it, and only Voltorb would have it. I'd argue that, until the move is part of a pokemon's available moveset without an event, it cannot be a signature move. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 11:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | |||