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== TCG ==
== TCG ==


I fully don't understand this, and you appear to be the most active member of [[BP:TCGDex Project]] atm, so I'll ask you (and the fact that you are the allpowerful dictator doesn't go amiss either :p): Is Rage ([[Cyndaquil_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#TCG-only_Moves|here]] actually a normal-type move? Or is it colorless? Because I thought that standard types didn't exist in the TCG. Thanks. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 06:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I fully don't understand this, and you appear to be the most active member of BP:TCGDex Project atm, so I'll ask you (and the fact that you are the allpowerful dictator doesn't go amiss either :p): Is Rage ([[Cyndaquil_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#TCG-only_Moves|here]] actually a normal-type move? Or is it colorless? Because I thought that standard types didn't exist in the TCG. Thanks. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 06:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:It's a game move used as a TCG move on a Pokémon that can't have it in the games. It's noted on Cynda's page by its in-game type. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:It's a game move used as a TCG move on a Pokémon that can't have it in the games. It's noted on Cynda's page by its in-game type. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::Permission to update all such things with the cost to use them, sir? &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 06:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::Permission to update all such things with the cost to use them, sir? &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 06:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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:Castform's actual moveset does not differ between forms.  For example, it learns Water Gun, Ember, and Powder Snow at level 10 regardless of which form it's in at the time (and it learns all three).  In this respect, it's more akin to Unown (i.e. A and R have the same movepool), Spinda (like the programmers could program in more than 4 billion different movesets anyway), Shellos/Gastrodon (West and East have the same movepool), and Giratina (the Another {{tt|Form|This whole 'forme' bull**** will not hold.  It'll have blown over within a few months with absolutely no damage done.}} and Origin Form share a movepool) than to Deoxys (Normal Form, Attack Form, Defense Form, and Speed Form have different movepools), Wormadam (the Grass, Ground, and Steel-type forms have different movepools), and Shaymin (the Land Form and Sky Form have different movepools).  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Castform's actual moveset does not differ between forms.  For example, it learns Water Gun, Ember, and Powder Snow at level 10 regardless of which form it's in at the time (and it learns all three).  In this respect, it's more akin to Unown (i.e. A and R have the same movepool), Spinda (like the programmers could program in more than 4 billion different movesets anyway), Shellos/Gastrodon (West and East have the same movepool), and Giratina (the Another {{tt|Form|This whole 'forme' bull**** will not hold.  It'll have blown over within a few months with absolutely no damage done.}} and Origin Form share a movepool) than to Deoxys (Normal Form, Attack Form, Defense Form, and Speed Form have different movepools), Wormadam (the Grass, Ground, and Steel-type forms have different movepools), and Shaymin (the Land Form and Sky Form have different movepools).  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::I know that, I just meant the heading colours on the templates could be changed to reflect the different types such as Wormadam's.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 17:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::I know that, I just meant the heading colours on the templates could be changed to reflect the different types such as Wormadam's.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 17:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I mean this thing [[Template:Movelist/body/4/Wormadam]]--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 18:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I mean this thing {{redlink|Template:Movelist/body/4/Wormadam}}--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 18:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Castform doesn't have permanent forms, so no need to list them all. It'd be like listing Ditto for all 17 types. Only reason Arceus and Shaymin get it is because their forms are semipermanent, while Wormadam's is permanent. If West Sea and East Sea Gastrodon had different types, they'd get the same treatment. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Castform doesn't have permanent forms, so no need to list them all. It'd be like listing Ditto for all 17 types. Only reason Arceus and Shaymin get it is because their forms are semipermanent, while Wormadam's is permanent. If West Sea and East Sea Gastrodon had different types, they'd get the same treatment. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Figured it was something like that.  Thought I'd double check though.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 00:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Figured it was something like that.  Thought I'd double check though.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 00:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Two edit requests ==
== Two edit requests ==


You probably noticed that the old Yellow .gif images are being replaced by new .png ones. I've gone through every sprite and fixed the image links. However, there are two protected pages I can't update the image in, and they are [[Template:Spr]] and [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 2]]. Could you please go and fix them? Changing the extension is all you need to do. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 00:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
You probably noticed that the old Yellow .gif images are being replaced by new .png ones. I've gone through every sprite and fixed the image links. However, there are two protected pages I can't update the image in, and they are '''Template:Spr''' and [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 2]]. Could you please go and fix them? Changing the extension is all you need to do. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 00:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, is anyone up for making anipngs of the Crystal and Emerald animations? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, is anyone up for making anipngs of the Crystal and Emerald animations? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think that anyone is... yet. I may think about it again at some point, but first I have to both get a aPNG-compatible image editor AND to know the most efficient and fastest way to do it. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 01:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think that anyone is... yet. I may think about it again at some point, but first I have to both get a aPNG-compatible image editor AND to know the most efficient and fastest way to do it. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 01:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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== A question regarding sprites ==
== A question regarding sprites ==


Are the Unown sprites from the second generation on right filenames? To me it seems pretty odd that the A Unown is at [[:Image:Spr 2g 201.png]] and [[:Image:Spr 2s 201.png]], but all the other ones are with the name Image:Spr 2gs 201-?.png. This would otherwise be logical, but why do we then use redirects in the FRLG sprites instead? I'd suggest we move the sprites out of the 2gs-type name to 2g and make the 2s ones to be redirects to them. What do you think? <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 19:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Are the Unown sprites from the second generation on right filenames? To me it seems pretty odd that the A Unown is at [[a:Image:Spr 2g 201.png]] and [[a:Image:Spr 2s 201.png]], but all the other ones are with the name Image:Spr 2gs 201-?.png. This would otherwise be logical, but why do we then use redirects in the FRLG sprites instead? I'd suggest we move the sprites out of the 2gs-type name to 2g and make the 2s ones to be redirects to them. What do you think? <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 19:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:I really don't think they are correct.  I think that the first ones of each generation were just uploaded uder the right filename just with no discretion over the letter.  After that, I think they were all uploaded kinda' screwy.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 19:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:I really don't think they are correct.  I think that the first ones of each generation were just uploaded uder the right filename just with no discretion over the letter.  After that, I think they were all uploaded kinda' screwy.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 19:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::No, the gs names are not correct. It should be at Spr 2g 201-A.png, and so on, with Spr 2s 201-A.png and so on redirected to the Gold sprites. However, the first sprite uploaded at Spr 2g 201.png, that's just so we have a default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::No, the gs names are not correct. It should be at Spr 2g 201-A.png, and so on, with Spr 2s 201-A.png and so on redirected to the Gold sprites. However, the first sprite uploaded at Spr 2g 201.png, that's just so we have a default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
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The protection of [[Flint (Kanto)|Flint]]'s page expires on... 29th September 2009? Are you serious? What's with all that protecting madness among Bulbapedia Admins? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
The protection of [[Flint (Kanto)|Flint]]'s page expires on... 29th September 2009? Are you serious? What's with all that protecting madness among Bulbapedia Admins? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Only the move protection so we have no more bullcrap wars. By then it's likely there'll be an episode featuring {{e4|Flint|the guy}} AND it'll have been dubbed. After all, I'd bet Ash gets to Sunyshore by DP130, which is less than 20 weeks off. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Only the move protection so we have no more bullcrap wars. By then it's likely there'll be an episode featuring {{ef|Flint|the guy}} AND it'll have been dubbed. After all, I'd bet Ash gets to Sunyshore by DP130, which is less than 20 weeks off. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind. I just noticed it's only a move-protection. Sorry. However, doesn't that protecting madness also annoy you? I mean... Blocking the page TWO WEEKS before the airing episode just because of gun-jumpers (with the said gun-jumper being ME since I'm the one who brought the dub names for 5 characters before the airings from my friend's sources)? The reasons admins use to block pages are sometimes really poor. They didn't block so much in the past and it was better. Excessive protecting only numbs the work here. I'm awaiting major admin decission here. --Again me, [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind. I just noticed it's only a move-protection. Sorry. However, doesn't that protecting madness also annoy you? I mean... Blocking the page TWO WEEKS before the airing episode just because of gun-jumpers (with the said gun-jumper being ME since I'm the one who brought the dub names for 5 characters before the airings from my friend's sources)? The reasons admins use to block pages are sometimes really poor. They didn't block so much in the past and it was better. Excessive protecting only numbs the work here. I'm awaiting major admin decission here. --Again me, [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, we just want to be safe. Don't wanna have to move it around six times and have to delete a bunch of redirects. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, we just want to be safe. Don't wanna have to move it around six times and have to delete a bunch of redirects. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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== GSDS ==
== GSDS ==


No joke. I totally support GSDS! I didn't have the chance to play GS, and from what I'm watching on you tube, it's awesome! GSDS would give ME the chance to experience Johto and Kanto on the DS, with, of course, better quality, sound and everything! You are awesome! Especially '''YOUR''' GSDS page! Almost like the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes |bulbapedia gold silver remake page]]! Go GSDS! It's TOTALLY coming! Why give out so many GS mentions and leave it in the DP game coding. (The two "hacked" Chikorita) Go GSDS!--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/Secret Page|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 21:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
No joke. I totally support GSDS! I didn't have the chance to play GS, and from what I'm watching on you tube, it's awesome! GSDS would give ME the chance to experience Johto and Kanto on the DS, with, of course, better quality, sound and everything! You are awesome! Especially '''YOUR''' GSDS page! Almost like the bulbapedia gold silver remake page! Go GSDS! It's TOTALLY coming! Why give out so many GS mentions and leave it in the DP game coding. (The two "hacked" Chikorita) Go GSDS!--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/Secret Page|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 21:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well I have a hacked Typhlosion (all legit moves and IVs) from Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well I have a hacked Typhlosion (all legit moves and IVs) from Johto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


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:That's the issue with the sortkeys... it doesn't know that it goes EP-AG-DP, so... blah. I honestly don't know. You could put, commented out, <!--EP###-->, where ### is the epicode for the episode disregarding the series change (AKA, AG epicode plus 274, DP epicode plus 466), and that ought to work right. Just make sure that the commented out stuff is before the brackets for the episode link. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:That's the issue with the sortkeys... it doesn't know that it goes EP-AG-DP, so... blah. I honestly don't know. You could put, commented out, <!--EP###-->, where ### is the epicode for the episode disregarding the series change (AKA, AG epicode plus 274, DP epicode plus 466), and that ought to work right. Just make sure that the commented out stuff is before the brackets for the episode link. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I assume it was you who finally got me into the administrative areas of the forums? If so, thanks! --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 00:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I assume it was you who finally got me into the administrative areas of the forums? If so, thanks! --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 00:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I think... maybe... I don't do power elevation on the forums, so it may have been influenced by me but not directly me. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


== .... ==
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Do you know about the Buizel Water Gun eye color "error" that has been happening lately? It happened again in today's episode, so I'm starting to think it can't be an error. I want to know your opinion before anyone tries to remove or edit them. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 00:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Do you know about the Buizel Water Gun eye color "error" that has been happening lately? It happened again in today's episode, so I'm starting to think it can't be an error. I want to know your opinion before anyone tries to remove or edit them. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 00:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:Today's episode being DP108? Perhaps it can be mentioned instead on Buizel's and Water Gun's pages. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:Today's episode being DP108? Perhaps it can be mentioned instead on Buizel's and Water Gun's pages. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
== [[Version-exclusive Pokémon]] ==
I think that the page above should be moved to "Version-excluded Pokémon". Here's why: If the title is "Version-exclusive Pokémon", people are gonna continue to do stuff such as changing {{P|Vulpix}} and {{P|Ninetales}} to Blue when they should be (and are) under Red. If we changed the page title, it'd prevent people from doing stuff like that. So, whadda ya say? [[Santa Claus|<span style="color:#DC143C;">♥</span>]][[User:Chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Chocolate</span>]] ([[wp:Christmas|<span style="color:#009000;">Merry Christmas!</span>]]) 02:28 12/26/2008
:No.  I suggest an alternate course of action<nowiki>:</nowiki> We give anyone who does that a one-day block.  Oh, and stop bothering TTE about everything.  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 02:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::But if we moved the page, that wouldn't be necessary. And Poli, you seem to not like me that much anymore. Why? [[Santa Claus|<span style="color:#DC143C;">♥</span>]][[User:Chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Chocolate</span>]] ([[wp:Christmas|<span style="color:#009000;">Merry Christmas!</span>]]) 02:34 12/26/2008
:::Actually, that's a fair idea. It has a chance of getting people to take another look. They can scroll past bright red warning messages, but the title of the page is more persistent. I'd suggest something else, though; "excluded" is too close to "exclusive", so some people might not notice the difference. Anything that helps prevent conflict is worth considering. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 02:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes it would because some MORONS would STILL not get it. They manage to miss the BIG BOLD TEXT '''''<span style="color:#FF0000;"><u>IN RED</u></span>''''' that says "THESE ARE WHAT'S NOT AVAILABLE". If you can't see THAT, you can't see the title.
:::I did make the [[List of Pokémon by in-game availability]], however, which functions just in the same way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:41, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::But if we moved the page, then that would be like giving in to the people lacking basic reading skills who keep editing the page.  And no, I have no issue with you.  Speaking of which, you're like the third person to bring that up.  Maybe I need to change my demeanor?  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 02:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Giving in?" ...wow. There's a bad attitude for Wiki editing if I ever heard one. Also, "yes it would" what, exactly? --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]<sub>([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])</sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 02:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::The general guidelines of Wiki editing do not apply to people who cannot or refuse to read what they're editing.  --[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] 02:51, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::It, of course, refers to the notice in big, bold, red letters. Title's no more persistent than that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
== Italic ==
<small>''Italic'' indicates a move that gets STAB only from an evolution of this Pokémon.</small>
Does it include pre-evolutions? Silly question I know, but some Pokémon's learnsets have their pre-evolve's STAB moves italicized in their pages, like [[Drapion_(Pokémon)#By_TM.2FHM|Drapion]]'s. {{Unsigned|Kevzo8}}
:They ought not have their prevolutions' moves italic'd, since to an evolved Pokémon, that STAB will not matter at any future time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. Just wanted clear that before I edit.--[[User:Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Ke</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#000000">vz</span></sup>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<sub><span style="color:#696969">o8</span></sub>]] 02:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::How about Arceus? Arceus doesn't evolve, but its name on the move pages are italicized. (unless holding a plate is considered as an evolution) --[[User:Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Ke</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#000000">vz</span></sup>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<sub><span style="color:#696969">o8</span></sub>]] 02:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Formes are considered evolutions for the purpose of listing moves.--[[User:RexRacer|'''<font color="#E7CE6B">Rex</font>]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|<font color="#42528C">Racer</font>''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''<font color="#FF5A00"><small>''-talk''</small></font>''']] 02:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then it should be worded differently... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#CC0000"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#00CC00"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 02:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Or maybe it should be noted on alternate formes' page.--[[User:Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Ke</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#000000">vz</span></sup>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<sub><span style="color:#696969">o8</span></sub>]] 03:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Good idea, since it would be silly to re-word the note on every page if it's only going to apply to one or two pages. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|<font color="#237d00"> '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>'''</font>]]<small>[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|<font color="#237d00">''.cнаt'''''^'''</font>]]</small> 04:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)