Talk:Marshadow (Pokémon)

Officially Revealed?

Has Marshadow actually been officially revealed, or is its existence only known through datamining? In previous generations, we did not add pages for Pokémon or add them to lists until they had been officially revealed. (For example: Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion.) Is this a change in Bulbapedia policy, an oversight, or have I missed something? Kidburla (talk) 17:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

It's only known through datamining at this point. That was Bulbapedia's policy through most of Gen 6, but prior to then we used to acknowledge all Pokemon known through datamining regardless of their official release, and the staff decided to acknowledge Volcanion at the same time Hoopa was revealed. So I really don't even know at this point whether our policy has gone back to what it used to be, or if Volcanion (and Marshadow?) is just a special case, or if something else is happening. If a staff member could elucidate, that'd be much appreciated. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

With the beginning of Gen VI, data-mining of 3DS games was a very new skill and not very verifiable. We've since reached the point where we're comfortable with the state of data mining and verifiability/trustworthiness. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Makes perfect sense. Kidburla (talk) 23:27, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Picture

Where is Marshadow's picture? I understand that it doesn't have official artwork because it hasn't been officially revealed yet, but even a screenshot from in-game would be preferable to the redtext link that's there now. Geodude6 (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

For Volcanion prior to it being officially revealed, we used "None.png" as the image. I have changed the page so it now follows the same approach, so the redlink is gone. Kidburla (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I tried to do the same for the evolution line portion of the page, but couldn't get it to work. Geodude6 (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Before Arceus was revealed we had fan art instead JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

That was then, the image policies have changed now.Animaltamer704:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

We are definitely not going to be using fanart as a placeholder again. --SnorlaxMonster 14:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Last numbered Pokémon

For Volcanion we had the following text (even before Volcanion was officially revealed): "Volcanion is the final Pokémon in the National Pokédex as of Generation VI." Can we have something similar here? My only concern is that there is no "National Pokédex" in Gen7 per se. So I'm not quite sure how to re-word this. I'm open to suggestions... Kidburla (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Like you said, there is no National Pokedex at this time. I've heard rumors it'll be part of Pokemon Bank's update, so maybe we should wait 'til then? I'm not sure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Not a rumour, it's been announced by TCPI http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-gb/pokemon-bank/ JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

new marshadow pic

heres the photo if you wanted: File:Marshadow with linework.png AND I REALLY WANT TO EDIT IT --Lunalascout (talk) 20:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)lunalascout

See above, fanart/fanwork is not allowed for profile pictures.Animaltamer708:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Are the in game models of Pokemon allowed for the profille pictures?

Or are we just going to wait until official artwork come out? Latios86101 (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

The above conversations should tell you already, no not yet.Animaltamer709:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of additional words for Marshadow name origin?

Since the name Marshadow was rumored, speculated, and leaked, I've always just seen two words in its name: Marsh and Shadow. Oddly enough, no-one else I had seen talk about this seemed to share the same opinions. The name obviously uses the word Shadow, but what's the "Marsh-" from? Marsh? Mars? Martial Arts? Nightmarcher? Marshmallow?

Because it's not exactly clear that "Martial Arts" and "Nightmarcher" are the only words contibuting to its "Marsh-" name origin, can we say "Marshadow may be a combination of "shadow" and "martial arts," "nightmarcher," "marshmallow," "marsh," and "mars"", or something like that? Paintspotinfez (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Name origins should have a connection (obviously). Marshmallow just seems like a wild guess because it's a word that starts with marsh. Marsh doesn't seem to have any particular connection. And mars, if you mean Mars the God of war, doesn't fit either; fighting doesn't automatically equal "God of war", especially when it's also "cowardly". Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. "Mars" refers to war and fighting, and "shadow" refers to it's cowardly nature. Hence it's fighting and ghost typing. Secondly, it looks like a marshmallow since it's puffy, so it's english name might also be a play on it's appearance and an homage to Ghost's Busters Giant Marshallow Ghost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man). TheTrainerH (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Marshmallow is a pretty big amount of fancy and speculation considering what's known of Marshadow so far. It's much closer to coincidence than meaning.

Mars is a bit similar. I get it: it's a direct part of Marshadow's name, it seems obvious. But nothing suggests Marshadow is a god or anything. And martial arts is a pretty remarkably good fit that already explains it without the other downsides.

If the anime or something depicts Marshadow as marshmallow-y or describes a godlike background for it or something, then they might be worth adding. At this point in time, though, there's not a lot to draw on that supports these ideas well. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The word "Mars" refers to War & Fighting, and being it's Ghostly nature, it's rarity as a *legendary*, and it's special move, the deity connotation from the word "Mars" is there. But even without the deity connotation, the word still fits because the word references fighting. Secondly, the combination of it's appearance and it's name make it being a reference to a *Ghost* that was Puffy and liked to Smash stuff from Pop culture very very possible, if not a very direct reference to it.