Talk:Pokémon Legends: Arceus

spin off

how is this "core series". you guys over gamefreak that much?Roserade57 (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Pokémon Stadium series uses "pocket monsters" too, is that also main series?Roserade57 (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of what fans think, if GameFreak says it is a core game then it is a core game. The language used in the trailer plus the "Pocket Monsters" label all point to this being a core game. Different ≠ spin-off. --SpinyShell (talk) 18:04, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

do you have the actual quote that has them saying this though?Roserade57 (talk) 05:03, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

The official website referred to it as the newest work of the "Pocket Monsters" series, giving it the same treatment as Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. As for Stadium, the official Nintendo site classified it as its own separate series. --超龍_「Chao」 07:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, it's worth noting that Pokémon Stadium does not use "Pocket Monsters" in Japanese. That only appears in the English name displayed on the Japanese cover. Although how the official Japanese site classifies the games is much more important than the game's title anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 08:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

This is CLEARLY a spinoff. It has its own new subtitle, just like "Pokémon Stadium", "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon", "Pokémon Ranger" and so forth. It doesn't match the concept of main series game on any level and no official source calls it a new main entry, they all just say it's a "new frontier" or something like that. The strongest evidence according to this discussion is "The language used in the trailer" and the "'Pocket Monsters' label", but the former is arguable and the latter is false: this game is officially called "Pokémon LEGENDS アルセウス" using the western name in Japanese, so it's as far from the official "'Pocket Monsters' label" as you can get.--Kombatgod (talk) 12:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

That thing about the site classification too doesn't make sense: being a new high-budget game they'll obviously promote this more, but that doesn't necessarily make it part of the core series, and also that link to the official Pokémon Stadium site is counter-productive for the proposed argument since it straight up calls it "the definitive entry in the Pocket Monsters series" so according to the site that's the most core series ever! XD --Kombatgod (talk) 12:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

"no official source calls it a new main entry": The official Japanese trailer and Japanese site both explicitly state that it is part of the main series (called the Pocket Monsters series in Japan). The official site refers to the game as 『ポケットモンスター』シリーズの新たな挑戦 ("A new challenge in the 'Pocket Monsters' series'"). The game does not include "Pocket Monsters" in its Japanese title like previous entries, but the official Japanese site makes sure to emphasize that it is in-fact part of the series so that people aren't confused by the absence of "Pocket Monsters" from the game's title.

It's worth noting that this game has several key differences from previous core series games, but it is nowhere near as different as the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon or Pokémon Ranger series. Pokémon Colosseum and XD might be a better comparison (which are also not core series games, but share many mechanics with them). But of course, that's irrelevant, because we have official confirmation that they are part of the core series.

Roserade57 was wrong about Pokémon Stadium including "Pocket Monsters" in its title, which I think has confused several people here. That is only used in the English title displayed on the Japanese cover; it is not actually included in the Japanese title. The linked Japanese site says that Pokémon Stadium GS (Japanese Pokémon Stadium 2) is the definitive game in the Pokémon Stadium series (ポケスタシリーズ PokéSta series)—Google Translate gets this wrong, but that's why you always need to be very careful how you use it. --SnorlaxMonster 15:31, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Being as no one has made a particularly convincing argument yet, why don't we be reasonable about it and compromise? (I realize I'm probably the last person to make a convincing point about reasonable solutions, but hear me out.) I propose we leave the "core series" designation on the page with a [citation needed] notice, and leave the actual determination to when the game comes out and we can judge it on its own merits instead of its advertisement. If Legends has connectivity with the existing core series (Pokémon Bank, or battle/trade capability with BDSP/SwSh), it's at least as much a core series game as Let's Go. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 18:33, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Prequel

If I speculated it, Pokémon Legends: Arceus is the prequel to Pokémon Diamond Version and Pokémon Pearl Version as well their remake and those two main characters are the ancestors of Lucas and Dawn. --Samueljoo (talk) 04:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you, Samueljoo, but speculation is verboten on this wiki and I hope I didn't catch you in the middle of trying to add that to any mainspace pages. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 14:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Subtitle

So, just as a curiosity, does anyone know of aught else that has the title "Pokémon Legends"? Because the presence of a subtitle... raises implications. And I'd like to make sure that's not a disambiguation on the part of the Pokémon Company before I get my hopes up. Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 10:51, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

this is the first title in surely a series of LetsPlayNintendoITA (talk) 14:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know so much about 'surely', but thank you for confirming that there's no existing items under the name "Pokémon Legends". - unsigned comment from Giratina's Embodiment (talk • contribs)

Core series?

Can somebody explain why is this considered a core series game despite not matching the definition on pretty much any level? It features new gameplay and a completely new type of setting, and also the title "Legends" indeed seems to imply a potential new subseries, with future games set in different regions with different legendary and stuff, in case this is a success. I couldn't even find a single official source calling it a main entry, they all say it's a "new frontier" for the series or that it honors Pokémon "core gameplay" while adding action-RPG elements or something like that, which pretty much explains why it's NOT a core series game. Am I missing something?--Kombatgod (talk) 12:18, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

How did I miss the previous discussion? I'll answer there.--Kombatgod (talk) 12:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)