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 Should we create a page for Ursula's Plusle and Minun? It had a major apperance and a few other appearances. I know some of them were minor but they are one of her main Pokémon. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
+:I think the fac they were shown in the crdeits of M13 rather than Gabite is a big reason why they should be considered, I am for this page [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 00:13, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+::I don't know about this one. All it did was battle and make cameos. You should wait to see what Kenji-girl says, but according to the [[Bulbapedia:Anime Pokémon Notability policy]] these Pokémon are not notable for a page. Also I believe there's a restriction on creating new Pokémon articles in the userspace anyway. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 01:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::"If a rival's signature Pokémon does nothing more than battle or has no major impact on the plot, then it is not notable for an article and instead should have a section on its Trainer's page." (from the policy) This is what makes me sorta reluctant on making the page, they made barely any impact tbh. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig</font> <font color="#FF7F00">A</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 02:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::The problem in my view is that possibly never see Ursula as main rival, and admit that considering Drew's Pokemon (especially Masquerain) and Paul's Weaville and Gliscor and no longer have your pages and they had much more emphasis on the series would be through unfair.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 02:36 - 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+::::First of all, I know some appearances were minor, I acknowledged that. I am going to create it in my userspace and see what Kenji thinks. It's the least I can do, you never know. If Gabite has an article, than why not Plusle and Minum? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 02:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Because they did far less than what Gabite did? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
+== Rookie ==
+Is Ursula considered to be a rookie coordinator? She keeps on not caring about her own mistakes which lead to her losses. However, she isn't much of an antagonist as she didn't try to do anything evil related. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 20:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
+:I don't think so. She already won three ribbons when she was introduced, the same number Dawn had at the time, and moved on to compete in the Grand Festival not too long afterwards. Not to mention she put up a pretty tough fight each time she faced off against Dawn. Besides, lots of Trainers and Coordinators make similar mistakes, no matter how many battles they've fought or badges/ribbons they've won. [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]][[User:GamerGeek|<span style="color:teal">Gamer</span>]][[User talk:GamerGeek|<span style="color:gold">Geek</span>]][[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]] 22:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
+::Ursula's attitude toward Dawn depicted that she was less experienced than her regardless of ribbons. Trip was more inexperienced than Ash and yet, he was able to get things ahead of Ash. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 23:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
+:::I don't think we should be labeling anyone anything unless directly stated. She could just be a coordinator with a bad attitude and bad luck in terms of onscreen appearances. People who are good can make bad choices at times. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
+::::Trip wasn't any more inexperienced than Ash was when he started his journey. His attitude back then heavily implied that he already knew a lot more about Pokémon than most rookie Trainers would, and he even defeated Ash in their first two battles. Likewise, Ursula appeared to have at least some experience with Contests, as she already had three ribbons, and she even had her own special Poffin recipe. And I don't see how her attitude towards Dawn points out to her being inexperienced at all. [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]][[User:GamerGeek|<span style="color:teal">Gamer</span>]][[User talk:GamerGeek|<span style="color:gold">Geek</span>]][[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]] 00:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Professor Juniper mentioned that Trip was a beginning Trainer back in the first episode of BW. He probably used that attitude to make Ash look like a beginner. Nobody mentioned Ursula being a rookie which was why I was curious about her behavior. I don't find rival battles to be accurate in terms of who is better since it was mostly the writers making them win. [[User:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Patty</span>]][[User talk:Pattyman|<span style="color:orange">Man</span>]] 00:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
+::::::True, but you must remember that when Trip was introduced, he was ''actually just starting out'' on a new journey. Ursula wasn't; again, she already had three ribbons, and again, lots of Trainers and Coordinators have similar qualities, regardless of how much time and experience they've had since the start of their journeys. Does that make them rookies? [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]][[User:GamerGeek|<span style="color:teal">Gamer</span>]][[User talk:GamerGeek|<span style="color:gold">Geek</span>]][[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]] 01:40, 13 December 2012 (UTC)