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:::::223david, I think you misunderstood a big point: Chaung Yi uses '''the same names''' for Blue and Green that VIZ does. So '''even if''' we are considering Chuange Yi’s translation official instead of VIZ’s, '''the articles should still be called ''Adventures'' with these characters at the opposite names'''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::::223david, I think you misunderstood a big point: Chaung Yi uses '''the same names''' for Blue and Green that VIZ does. So '''even if''' we are considering Chuange Yi’s translation official instead of VIZ’s, '''the articles should still be called ''Adventures'' with these characters at the opposite names'''. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Special is special, so it's staying at Special. No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers. And swapping Green and Blue would necessitate a thorough relinking of ''a whole crapton'' of stuff. Special follows different rules from the anime and the games, and that's always been the case. Leave it as is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | :Special is special, so it's staying at Special. No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers. And swapping Green and Blue would necessitate a thorough relinking of ''a whole crapton'' of stuff. Special follows different rules from the anime and the games, and that's always been the case. Leave it as is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::“No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers.”? That’s bull. Anyone who has ever read it English and not researched online about the Japanese version does not even know the name “SPECIAL” exists. So all those readers call it ''Adventures''. I call it ''Adventures''. The other 3 readers I know in person all call it ''Adventures''. About 90% of the American and Australian readers I know online outside of this wiki and maybe 15-25% I know from here call it ''Adventures'' despite knowing its origin, as do both readers I know from Singapore, the one from Korea, and most of the dozen or so from Europe. It’s also called ''Adventures'' on MangaFox, where many fans read the scanned Chuang Yi and amateur scanslations to keep up with stuff not yet released by VIZ. If “no one” called it | ::“No one on Earth calls it "Pokémon Adventures" except the publishers.”? That’s bull. Anyone who has ever read it English and not researched online about the Japanese version does not even know the name “SPECIAL” exists. So all those readers call it ''Adventures''. I call it ''Adventures''. The other 3 readers I know in person all call it ''Adventures''. About 90% of the American and Australian readers I know online outside of this wiki and maybe 15-25% I know from here call it ''Adventures'' despite knowing its origin, as do both readers I know from Singapore, the one from Korea, and most of the dozen or so from Europe. It’s also called ''Adventures'' on MangaFox, where many fans read the scanned Chuang Yi and amateur scanslations to keep up with stuff not yet released by VIZ. If “no one” called it ''Adventures'', do you think any of us would care enough to make the argument? | ||
::And being afraid of the work is NOT a good enough reason to keep them at the wrong names. Names which are confusing at that, since the original rival’s [[Blue (game)|game article name]] refers not to his counterpart but to [[Blue (Adventures)|someone else entirely]] in the manga. I know you are hoping he will be renamed Green in the English translation of ''HG''/''SS'', but what if he’s not? The change would be easily accomplished with bots in two stages, or I will manually do ALL the switching myself if you prefer. I have a plan that would make it quite simple( though tedious without bot assistance). It’s not that different from the change you would have to do if he IS renamed in the new games anyway. | ::And being afraid of the work is NOT a good enough reason to keep them at the wrong names. Names which are confusing at that, since the original rival’s [[Blue (game)|game article name]] refers not to his counterpart but to [[Blue (Adventures)|someone else entirely]] in the manga. I know you are hoping he will be renamed Green in the English translation of ''HG''/''SS'', but what if he’s not? The change would be easily accomplished with bots in two stages, or I will manually do ALL the switching myself if you prefer. I have a plan that would make it quite simple( though tedious without bot assistance). It’s not that different from the change you would have to do if he IS renamed in the new games anyway. | ||
::There is no reason to keep it the way it is when we use English names for EVERYTHING non-manga( and even for stuff within this manga like [[Keane]] and [[ | ::There is no reason to keep it the way it is when we use English names for EVERYTHING non-manga( and even for stuff within this manga like [[Keane]] and [[Chermaine]]) except for personal bias on your part and CP!’s. And while that is, unfortunately, technically a ''viable'' reason considering that you are in charge, that still does not make it logical or reasonable. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 12:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::[[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga|{{tt|Ladies, please...|Take up this issue in a more central location where those of us who really should care about it can see it easily.}}]] '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 16:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::[[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga|{{tt|Ladies, please...|Take up this issue in a more central location where those of us who really should care about it can see it easily.}}]] '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 16:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::This issue was [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga#Green and Blue|already raised there]], trom seemed to say to keep the discussion here so it would all be in one place. If you want to move the discussion there, you could always try to get permission to cut and past the whole thing to that page. | ::::This issue was [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga#Green and Blue|already raised there]], trom seemed to say to keep the discussion here so it would all be in one place. If you want to move the discussion there, you could always try to get permission to cut and past the whole thing to that page. | ||
::::Also, it is nearly impossibly to see the alternate text of a tt template when the display text consists wholly of a link. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ::::Also, it is nearly impossibly to see the alternate text of a tt template when the display text consists wholly of a link. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::{{tt|What started as a simple "Blue vs Green" debate has rapidly turned into a "Special vs Adventures" debate, or at least that's how it's coming across to me. Hence my suggestion to move to the project page, since it ''should'' be of concern to the project members.|Also, with regards to the tt, it was a case of either being able to see the alt text all the time but not know it was a link, or know it was a link, and almost find out what the alt text is.}} '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 16:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::::{{tt|What started as a simple "Blue vs Green" debate has rapidly turned into a "Special vs Adventures" debate, or at least that's how it's coming across to me. Hence my suggestion to move to the project page, since it ''should'' be of concern to the project members.|Also, with regards to the tt, it was a case of either being able to see the alt text all the time but not know it was a link, or know it was a link, and almost find out what the alt text is.}} '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 16:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::Well to me it still looks like a Green/Blue debate, with ''Adventures''/“Special” as a secondary but inextricably related issue. While I would '''like''' to see it changed to ''Adventures'' all over, for the moment I would settle for just switching these two articles for the sake of consistency – after all, we don’t have articles titled [[Keane|Kurtz]], [[Chermaine|Siam]], or [[Kimberly|Kiwame]], so why use japanese name translations for just these two, especially when it causes confusion with the boy’s game counterpart?( And I have repeatedly volunteered to do all the grunt work myself, even though it would be easier to get a bot to do it). | |||
::::::But if you want to move the debate, regardless of what the focus is, don’t take it up with me and the other users here. Take it up with TTE and CP! and get permission to move all this stuff to the project talk page. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | |||