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:Also, there are plenty of cases where we're allowed to speculate something in Pokémon's origins being rooted in pop culture. {{p|Tangela}}'s origin section specifically mentions "It!", {{p|Kadabra}}'s mentions "The Metamorphosis", and pretty much all the trivia in each Pokéstar Studios film talks about what they're referencing, to say nothing of when anime episodes and manga chapters are allowed to explicitly say what references are contained in each one. It doesn't make much sense to have a double standard, allowing some references to be pointed out but not others. -- [[User:Buwbasaur|Buwbasaur]] ([[User talk:Buwbasaur|talk]]) 3:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
:Also, there are plenty of cases where we're allowed to speculate something in Pokémon's origins being rooted in pop culture. {{p|Tangela}}'s origin section specifically mentions "It!", {{p|Kadabra}}'s mentions "The Metamorphosis", and pretty much all the trivia in each Pokéstar Studios film talks about what they're referencing, to say nothing of when anime episodes and manga chapters are allowed to explicitly say what references are contained in each one. It doesn't make much sense to have a double standard, allowing some references to be pointed out but not others. -- [[User:Buwbasaur|Buwbasaur]] ([[User talk:Buwbasaur|talk]]) 3:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
::Specific exceptions can be granted on a case-by-case basis, but I think the fact that we allow speculation in Trivia sections at all isn't a reason to not have some limitations to it. In this case, while mentioning a specific movie or episode of a TV show or something is usually fine, the current policy stands that these references aren't to be made for specific characters or overall franchises. Speculation isn't a free-for-all, as explained in the policy I linked earlier, and I don't think it would be helpful or useful to ultimately end up listing out every possible loose reference people can come up with. Speculation is far more likely to be excluded than included, within reason, and a lot of speculation on articles could definitely be cleaned up. Now if a discussion here indicates a strong consensus in favor of including a specific character as a reference, it might be something to consider, but at the moment no such consensus exists here on the wiki. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#32b761">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5f6775"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 19:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
::Specific exceptions can be granted on a case-by-case basis, but I think the fact that we allow speculation in Trivia sections at all isn't a reason to not have some limitations to it. In this case, while mentioning a specific movie or episode of a TV show or something is usually fine, the current policy stands that these references aren't to be made for specific characters or overall franchises. Speculation isn't a free-for-all, as explained in the policy I linked earlier, and I don't think it would be helpful or useful to ultimately end up listing out every possible loose reference people can come up with. Speculation is far more likely to be excluded than included, within reason, and a lot of speculation on articles could definitely be cleaned up. Now if a discussion here indicates a strong consensus in favor of including a specific character as a reference, it might be something to consider, but at the moment no such consensus exists here on the wiki. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#32b761">'''Land'''</span>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5f6775"><small>'''fish7'''</small></span>]] 19:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
::: After lengthy discussion about this topic on Discord, I've gone ahead and made a [[Bulbapedia talk:Speculation policy#Proposed rework of "unsourced Pokémon origins" ruling|talk page discussion]] on the policy talk page since I believe the issue is with the policy itself rather than any specific Pokémon. [[User:Meeper12346|Meeper12346]] ([[User talk:Meeper12346|talk]]) 20:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)