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 Clemont's Magneton is Genderless. Why not Misty's Starmie? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 15:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
+== Recurrence of Starmie in battle ==
+> "Misty rarely used Starmie in battle, generally favoring Staryu to battle on land and often Psyduck by mistake."
+This part is ''statiscally'' incorrect. In its run within the first 61 episodes of the original series in which it was featured, Starmie was used in seven specific battles specifically (this is NOT including transportation utility and/or fire-extinguishing abilities) against a Pidgeotto, an Oddish, a Bulbasaur, a Weepinbell, a Graveler, against Team Rocket (Butterfree episode) and against Team Rocket again (Pokémon-athon episode). Which is about the same as Staryu, who was used six times against a Meowth, a Butterfree, against Team Rocket (Hypno  episode), Jigglypuff, against Team Rocket again (might count as Weezing, in Jigglypuff's episode) and against Team Rocket again (Togepi episode).
+In fact, in the earlier episodes of the Original series, there's been a few dialogues where Misty seemed to imply Starmie was her strongest Pokemon, thus why she insisted on using it so much in the earlier episodes of the show. I vividly remember a dialogue where she says that "amongst her Pokemon only her Starmie could break Cloyster's defenses, etc". But I'm fairly certain there are other instances of this.
+Once she got Psyduck, things changed because Psyduck would come out when Misty would think about using Starmie in battles. And then, Staryu obviously gets used a lot more from episode 61 forward, but that's because Starmie is gone from her team by that point.
+Regarding its... capabilities... in combat, it's true that it pretty much accumulated losses after losses - but most of these were "necessary" for the narrative. Even had Misty used her Staryu for those battles instead of Starmie, it would have also lost them (Pidgeotto needs the win in the Gym badge battle so Ash can earn the badge, Bulbasaur has to win and defend Oddish otherwise Ash can't catch it later on, Graveler has to win because Giselle is trying to prove a point which is that Type Advantage doesn't matter if the level of the Pkmn is higher, etc). So while it's unfortunate that Starmie has very poor showings in the anime, it is still presumed to be stronger than Staryu in the first part of the series - it is simply being used against stronger opponents and/or key moments for other characters.
+It's only once Starmie is left at Cerulean Gym, and Misty keeps training Staryu and using it in battle, that it is safe to say it becomes stronger than Starmie absolutely.
+To be fair, it's also incorrect because the sentence could almost imply that Misty, on the other hand, favored Starmie for battles at sea - but Starmie has in fact never battled at sea (unless we count her Gym battle) and in fact was always favored by Misty to battle on land otherwise. She didn't have much choice between Horsea and Goldeen prefering to actually fight in water, and her never wanting to actually use Psyduck over Starmie in the earlier episodes.
+So yeah... Could we reformulate that?