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:And do you not see the problem with this speculative paragraph on this article: "Porygon's Pokédex entries in Pokémon Sun, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon state that it was created 20 years ago,[Notes 4] and Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia states that Porygon was created one year before the events of Pokémon Red and Green, meaning Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon take place 19 years after Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. From this information and the known gaps between other games in the series, it can be calculated that the gap between Generation II/IV and Pokémon Black and White is 12 years long." That books lore is very outdated (Pokémon Legends: Arceus blows the introduction section of Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia completely out of the water. The book claims that "30 Pokémon species were known in the 18th century" and of course, "150 types of Pokémon have been discovered through Professor Oak's surveys and research". In PLA, set centuries before Gens I and IV, over 200 species were discovered), which invalidates its credibility as a reliable source. And as for "Red and Green takes place in 1996"? Forget it. "As of 1996" ≠ "the games take place in 1996". It's also hypocritical to dismiss the Member Card date as a real-world reference, when Porygon's entries are only a reference to Red and Green being released 20 years prior to Sun and Moon. This whole "12 years" thing is all speculation and doesn't belong on this article. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 03:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
:And do you not see the problem with this speculative paragraph on this article: "Porygon's Pokédex entries in Pokémon Sun, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon state that it was created 20 years ago,[Notes 4] and Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia states that Porygon was created one year before the events of Pokémon Red and Green, meaning Pokémon Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon take place 19 years after Pokémon Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. From this information and the known gaps between other games in the series, it can be calculated that the gap between Generation II/IV and Pokémon Black and White is 12 years long." That books lore is very outdated (Pokémon Legends: Arceus blows the introduction section of Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia completely out of the water. The book claims that "30 Pokémon species were known in the 18th century" and of course, "150 types of Pokémon have been discovered through Professor Oak's surveys and research". In PLA, set centuries before Gens I and IV, over 200 species were discovered), which invalidates its credibility as a reliable source. And as for "Red and Green takes place in 1996"? Forget it. "As of 1996" ≠ "the games take place in 1996". It's also hypocritical to dismiss the Member Card date as a real-world reference, when Porygon's entries are only a reference to Red and Green being released 20 years prior to Sun and Moon. This whole "12 years" thing is all speculation and doesn't belong on this article. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 03:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
::You can't dismiss whole original lore book because some facts don't add up. Maybe Laventon's research didn't get to Oak? Maybe Oak was doing research exclusively about Pokemon in Kanto? Since Masuda said there's no consistent timeline you can't trust retcons and claim everything before is not true anymore. It's all true within their own media. PLA specifically reminded about Pokemon being able to shrink, a fact coming from the very book you are trying to delete. The date on Member Card is specifically a reference to real life date of its distribution (also it's written specifically to be hardly readable), but there's a problem, it's specific to a day. Do you really think all event of DPPt are supposed to happen in one day? Don't you think that event that's not available to all players, not related to the main story, that can be done at any point of the game, could happen independently from the events of DPPt, years later?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 09:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
::You can't dismiss whole original lore book because some facts don't add up. Maybe Laventon's research didn't get to Oak? Maybe Oak was doing research exclusively about Pokemon in Kanto? Since Masuda said there's no consistent timeline you can't trust retcons and claim everything before is not true anymore. It's all true within their own media. PLA specifically reminded about Pokemon being able to shrink, a fact coming from the very book you are trying to delete. The date on Member Card is specifically a reference to real life date of its distribution (also it's written specifically to be hardly readable), but there's a problem, it's specific to a day. Do you really think all event of DPPt are supposed to happen in one day? Don't you think that event that's not available to all players, not related to the main story, that can be done at any point of the game, could happen independently from the events of DPPt, years later?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 09:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
:::"Since Masuda said there's no consistent timeline" than everything the Timeline section says is meaningless. Masuda's words from 3 years ago to an extent would've deconfirmed that deleted tweet from Toshinobu Matsumiya from 8 years ago. There's really no reason to have the timeline section in the first place, if it's mostly speculation and proves Masuda's point in "people overthinking the timeline". [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 12:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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