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:::::::You left off your introduction with, ''"there is no evidence to support Shudo as Lugia's creator"''. (Likewise your second comment. And your fifth, and seventh, and eighth...) If who "created" Lugia is "trivial", I honestly have no idea what you were trying to argue... | :::::::You left off your introduction with, ''"there is no evidence to support Shudo as Lugia's creator"''. (Likewise your second comment. And your fifth, and seventh, and eighth...) If who "created" Lugia is "trivial", I honestly have no idea what you were trying to argue... | ||
:::::::At any rate, I'm sorry, I thought I was fundamentally responding to the main issue. I acknowledge that there were some points that I didn't explicitly address, but I thought they'd just obscure the main point. If you'd like to point out what you think is more important and has been ignored, I'd be glad to address it directly. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC) | :::::::At any rate, I'm sorry, I thought I was fundamentally responding to the main issue. I acknowledge that there were some points that I didn't explicitly address, but I thought they'd just obscure the main point. If you'd like to point out what you think is more important and has been ignored, I'd be glad to address it directly. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC) | ||
For the record, this overall discussion advanced on Discord from approximately 0700 UTC (Sep 25). It is far too long to replicate here, but here are the links to [https://discord.com/channels/202737349996576769/206616744180056065/1023489500560769054 the start] and [https://discord.com/channels/202737349996576769/206616744180056065/1023643312076361859 the end] of that, for "historical" purposes. (Some discussion had occurred prior to the first message linked as well, but that more or less paralleled comments above; I leave it to anyone who may so desire to look back for themselves (the very first comment is something like 12 hours earlier).) | |||
Staff members who were not around for the main Discord discussion gave some input as well and this is what will be added to this article's text. | |||
<pre>* [[Takeshi Shudo]], script writer for [[M02|the second movie]], created the character of Pokemon X for the movie as a new Pokémon that symbolizes ocean currents.<ref>[http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo187.shtml シナリオえーだば創作術 第187回]</ref> This role was ultimately filled by Lugia, whose name and design were created by someone else.<ref>[http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo188.shtml シナリオえーだば創作術 第188回]</ref> Shudo was surprised when Lugia later showed up in the Pokémon {{pkmn|games}}, having expected it to be exclusive to the movie.<ref>[http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo206.shtml シナリオえーだば創作術 第206回]</ref><ref>[http://lavacutcontent.com/takeshi-shudo-ending-pokemon/ Pokemon’s Head Writer: Booze, Pills, and Ending Ash’s Story – Lava Cut Content]</ref></pre> | |||
Rather than demanding anyone who wants to know about those references know Japanese, I will explain the salient parts here. | |||
* Shudo's entry 187. 生命の源という仮説を持つ深層海流を象徴する映画独自のポケモンＸ（エックス）という当初ゲームにいなかった……後にルギアという名前がつけられる……を、登場させることも了解された。 ''"They approved the inclusion of Pokemon X, a Pokemon not in the first games—an original creation for the movie—who is theorized as the source of all life and is the symbol of the deep ocean currents. It was later given the name Lugia."'' The "theorized" part is honestly kinda weird. The kanji is similar to 伝説 "legend", but those words sound very different, so I don't know how it'd be possible to confuse them when composing a blog post. Meaning, I suppose, that "theory" is intended; it just sounds pretty weird in my (perhaps imperfect) understanding of Japanese. | |||
* Shudo's entry 188. ポケモン２作目はＸ（エックス）爆誕という仮名に決定、ルギアという名とそのデザインは後に決定……誰のアイデアか記憶にない。 ''"The second movie was provisionally named X's Explosive Birth; the name Lugia and its design were decided later... I don't remember whose idea it was."'' Exactly what the last sentence refers to is very unclear. | |||
* Shudo's entry 206. Ｘことルギアは、この映画専用に僕が考えたポケモンで、映画の後にできたゲームやＴＶアニメのエピソードにまで登場してきたのは、僕自身驚いた。 Cribbing from Lava Cut Content: ''"Since [X, aka] Lugia was a Pokémon I created myself solely for the new movie, I was surprised it ended up getting used later in the games and TV show."'' The Lava Cut Content translation drops a worthwhile bit of nuance by only writing Lugia instead of "X aka Lugia" for Ｘことルギア. | |||
* The Lava Cut Content article contains a translation of Shudo's entry 206. The translation omits the end of the article (starting from 昨日の私), which seems to have no relation to Pokemon. | |||
[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:17, 25 September 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Archive of Shudo's blogs mentioning Lugia == | == Archive of Shudo's blogs mentioning Lugia == | ||