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→‎Lugia's origins: In retrospect, no response is required on my part to Tiddlywinks. His comment ignores the entirety of what I have posted in favor of returning to trivial debate about 'create', which is something Shudo never claimed to do. I leave it to the reader to determine the truth and staff actions to determine the policies of this Wiki regarding original research, translation verification, and overall veracity of secondary sources.
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(→‎Lugia's origins: In retrospect, no response is required on my part to Tiddlywinks. His comment ignores the entirety of what I have posted in favor of returning to trivial debate about 'create', which is something Shudo never claimed to do. I leave it to the reader to determine the truth and staff actions to determine the policies of this Wiki regarding original research, translation verification, and overall veracity of secondary sources.)
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:<code>What I'm looking for is a concession that we don't know for sure the degree to how involved, detailed, or exact Shudo's request is – we also don't know for sure whether they didn't just give Shudo a new version of a beta design they had already been working on.</code>
:<code>What I'm looking for is a concession that we don't know for sure the degree to how involved, detailed, or exact Shudo's request is – we also don't know for sure whether they didn't just give Shudo a new version of a beta design they had already been working on.</code>
:This doesn't matter. Shudo said he created it. There's nothing explicitly contradicting it. Until there's contradiction, we take him at his word. He deserves that respect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
:This doesn't matter. Shudo said he created it. There's nothing explicitly contradicting it. Until there's contradiction, we take him at his word. He deserves that respect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
::I believe I discussed this with you on the Discord. I ask you to point out where Shudo said he created it, you ambiguously state the blog entries. Insofar as words being put in anyone's mouth, you're putting words in Shudo's. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 01:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
:::n.b. the key word in your entry is assumptions. Indeed, I am assuming it's possible that Shudo's order was vague. Which means we cannot know with confidence that Shudo 'created' Lugia. You're assuming Shudo's order was less vague. Cool, great, but in the absence of proof you cannot state with confidence that Shudo 'created' Lugia. I note also you have not addressed the legal – i.e. meaningful – evidence, which, indeed, suggests Shudo categorically did NOT create Lugia. {{Unsigned|INTERNETFRIEND}}
::::Insofar as any question of respect, why is benefit of doubt vis a vis respect granted to someone who is very unlikely to have created Lugia, and none to any of Ken Sugimori, Motofumi Fujiwara, Shigeki Morimoto, Atsuko Nishida, Hironobu Yoshida, Muneo Saito, Satoshi Oota, and Rena Yoshikawa, one of which any sober analysis will conclude actually created Lugia? {{Unsigned|INTERNETFRIEND}}
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