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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No evidence exists to suggest Shudo created Lugia. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 21:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. No evidence exists to suggest Shudo created Lugia. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 21:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | ||
:<code>when a game designer submits a request for a Pokémon to the monster design team, we usually think of the monster designer as the given Pokémon's creator, not the game designer</code> | |||
:That's a terrible argument. First and foremost because there's so many situations that could fit inside that "request". | |||
:One: yes, if the game designer says, "Gimme some grass Pokemon!", that doesn't make them the creator of those Pokemon. However... Two: if someone says, "Hey, I had this cool idea for a Pokemon that looks like a show dog/poodle and you can change its hairstyles and stuff, can you draw that up?", I'd say the "requestor" (as you put it) '''is the creator'''. The designer drew the other person's idea; they didn't create it from whole cloth, no substantial direction from anyone. | |||
:Now, in many cases, we have no idea who (if anyone) besides an artist contributed to any given Pokemon's creation. But if we have cases like Lugia here where we do have word that someone came up with the Pokemon, then we ''should'' give them some credit on the page. If they didn't draw them, cool: so-and-so came up with the Pokemon, but the artist is [unknown/designer]. | |||
:<code>If Shudo had requested to Game Freak "I want a Psychic/Flying bird/dragon-esque Pokémon that is Ho-Oh's counterpart called Lugia" or something even nearing that, the semantic debate of Lugia's creation would be fair ball. What is had instead is "I want a new Pokémon for this movie I'm writing – which, for the sake of it, we'll call X for now,"</code> | |||
:Show me where this was said. As far as I can tell, you're putting words in his mouth. He said he created it. And you're assuming that ''only'' means he said, "Gimme something cool" or whatever. He could easily have given a lot of details he'd thought of, like, "Gimme a big bird Pokemon, and it's kinda black and white, and it's the guardian of the sea so it should be flowing or something". Frankly, if he said he "created" it, I think that's the only reasonable interpretation. If he had just said, "Gimme something", I don't think he would have said "I created it". You say ''"Shudo's blog entries are vague about what he conceived Lugia of being"'', but that's no reason to doubt that he did give enough detail to, '''as he stated''', have "created" it. He said he created it. So why do you assume that, just because he didn't go into any details, then that means he ''didn't'' "create" it? That makes no sense. (Frankly, it makes sense that he wouldn't go into details, because Lugia ''exists'' now, there's no need for him to be redundant and say, "Yeah, I told them to make Lugia like this and this" and just repeat what we already know.) | |||
:<code>What I'm looking for is a concession that we don't know for sure the degree to how involved, detailed, or exact Shudo's request is – we also don't know for sure whether they didn't just give Shudo a new version of a beta design they had already been working on.</code> | |||
:This doesn't matter. Shudo said he created it. There's nothing explicitly contradicting it. Until there's contradiction, we take him at his word. He deserves that respect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | |||