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Thanks! Sorry, I was really busy lately and for the sloppiness. Just to be sure I was taking a look inside the book again and yeah, looks like it was Shigeru Miyamoto's suggestion to make multiple different cartridges. If you already knew that I don't understand why you didn't just add this information though? Well, it makes no sense to "explicitely mention Satoshi Tajiri | :Thanks! Sorry, I was really busy lately and sorry for the sloppiness. Just to be sure I was taking a look inside the book again and yeah, looks like it was Shigeru Miyamoto's suggestion to make multiple different cartridges. If you already knew that I don't understand why you didn't just add this information though? Well, it makes no sense to "explicitely mention Satoshi Tajiri as this book (ポケモン・ストーリー ISBN-13 : 978-4822241995) was written by the author Masakazu Kubo from CoroCoro Comic interviewing Satoshi Tajiri. Mainly this book is written from Tajiri's perspective, which of course only becomes clear when you read the book. When I was reading the part about the 7 rainbow colors I read it as it was his idea, but it makes sense if it could be Miyamoto's when you look at the previous two sentences with Miyamoto's name being mentioned and let's be honest, the red and green theme being based on Mario & Luigi would make even more sense this way. | ||
Btw. something I think we both overlooked is that it was Tsunekazu Ishihara's | :Btw. something I think we both overlooked is that it was Tsunekazu Ishihara's added the different appearance rates in each version (includes version exclusives), which also makes more sense as he saw the business side of the game. I think you're wrong about the ID part, at least there's nothing mentioned about IDs would have affected the appearance rate in this book. When you ask me Shigeru Miyamoto and Tsunekazu Ishihara should definitely be mentioned. --[[User:Ajxpk|Ajxpk]] ([[User talk:Ajxpk|talk]]) 01:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
:About Miyamoto, I didn't add it because the source doesn't mention him. It is, however, stated on [[Shigeru Miyamoto|his article]], with proper references. | ::About Miyamoto, I didn't add it because the source doesn't mention him. It is, however, stated on [[Shigeru Miyamoto|his article]], with proper references. | ||
:About the ID idea, that's what I made out of it, but yeah maybe I read a bit too much into it. | ::About the ID idea, that's what I made out of it, but yeah maybe I read a bit too much into it. | ||
:If you feel the need to change the sentence and add more sources, feel free to do so, but references should pretty much support/prove the statement, which they didn't, so.. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC) | ::If you feel the need to change the sentence and add more sources, feel free to do so, but references should pretty much support/prove the statement, which they didn't, so.. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:22, 6 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: Sorry, but you're incorrect, the source mentioned Shigeru Miyamoto as the one who made the suggestion, Tsunekazu Ishihara is credited for implementing version-exclusives & encounter rates. I'm not questioning that it was originally Miyamoto's idea or want to take anything away from him, it's just that "it was all him" contradicts the more detailed information from the book where it looks more like it was just a suggestion, Tajiri made something out of that suggestion and Ishihara added different encounter rates & game-exclusives. When you ask me about the already translated Junichi Masuda interview, how do we know that this is really what he said and how he said it? | |||
:::How many times do I have to tell you? This is from the book [https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC-%E7%95%A0%E5%B1%B1-%E3%81%91%E3%82%93%E3%81%98/dp/4822241998 ポケモン・ストーリー] (ISBN-13 : 978-4822241995), this is one of the very rare interviews with Satoshi Tajiri giving his insight about how it was to create Pokémon, hence the name of the book. There isn't a more detailed description about the events told by him than this book. You can find a lot of details about the development of these games, just to give a few examples... the story of how they had to restart the project when the game was already finished, because after testing the game Tsunekazu Ishihara didn't understood what Satoshi Tajiri wanted to tell with this game (also a part of the reason why the games took 5 years to create). Or the story about how the release was even pushed back further from December 21, 1995 to February 27, 1996 and link cable battles added shortly before the release. Tajiri's side about the story of Mew was added by Shigeki Morimoto after the debug phase as part of a prank (often mistranslated or misunderstood in interviews by western sources). Mew's discovery by Japanese players due to the select bug and how that lead to trouble with Nintendo and the first distribution of Mew. There isn't a more genuine source than an official book in original language like this, which is hardly accessible and I get that and that's why I linked this reference. | |||
:::I was even talking back with more Japanese mother tongue speakers to get more opinions and I'm confident that I understood the text correctly. To underscore this, even the Japanese Wikipedia article ([https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC_%E8%B5%A4%E3%83%BB%E7%B7%91#%E6%A6%82%E8%A6%81 here]) stated that Satoshi Tajiri said in an interview that it was him and that the final colors were based on 2 of the 3 starters, the decision for red and green came because of Mario & Luigi. I still settled with "they" because you weren't satisfied with Satoshi Tajiri's name not being mentioned in the text, which like I said would not make sense as this is in his words and from the middle of the book. He named Miyamoto as the one who made the suggestion, reason why the decision was made by Tajiri and not Miyamoto is because it reverts back to the narrator and in the Japanese language you don't constantly use "I", just in case you didn't know... | |||
:::Not only is the reference proving & supporting the "statement", it's not even my statement but rather a translation of information from the book. | |||
:::Btw. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. --[[User:Ajxpk|Ajxpk]] ([[User talk:Ajxpk|talk]]) 02:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC) | |||