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 :::::::I understand. As for Lenora, would you like to share your opinion on her Lillipup/Herdier? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 :::::::: I haven’t seen either episode in a while, so I’m not going to say. But we also have the issue with the Gyarados in the lake, wherein it chased Ash in the first episode but didn’t in I Choose You, being considered completely separate characters, while the Dodrio that is Pallet Town's Rooster is considered a separate character in multiple instances in Dodrio's anime appearances, with no rhyme or reason as to why they’re separate.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 20:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-::In fact, I think everyone agrees that Mienshao is the evolved Mienfoo. The question has to be how to approach that question. In the case of Lenora, I think it was a mistake by the team (both episodes have different direction and script teams). The dub saw the error and corrected it (they even did it [[DP076|before]]).The people who followed Best Wishes remember that there were some internal problems, which were accentuated by the earthquake in Japan and changed the approach they intended for the series.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
+{{indent}}In fact, I think everyone agrees that Mienshao is the evolved Mienfoo. The question has to be how to approach that question. In the case of Lenora, I think it was a mistake by the team (both episodes have different direction and script teams). The dub saw the error and corrected it (they even did it [[DP076|before]]).The people who followed Best Wishes remember that there were some internal problems, which were accentuated by the earthquake in Japan and changed the approach they intended for the series.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] ([[User talk:Hikaru Wazana|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
+:Thanks for all the input.
+:(As a quick note, I'm not going to touch Gyarados/Dodrio, until perhaps everything else is totally exhausted, because this is about evolutions right now.)
+:My first thoughts (just absorbing the gist of the issue) were generally that I believe that Pokemon in cases like this probably did evolve from the Trainer's original Pokemon. And I think that's still more true than the opposite for me. But looking at [[Korrina (anime)]]'s page and thinking about it, it's also not something I can tell anyone with any certainty.
+:If we said that Mienshao evolved from Mienfoo, the completionist in me immediately thinks, cool, where did that happen then? It's one thing if a character says it happened off-screen, but if your only answer is, well, she had a Mienfoo and then she had a Mienshao, the skeptic in me throws up a red flag and says, hold on...we can't really say it's the same one then can we?
+:In my head canon, I'd be happy to conclude, yeah, it's probably the same one. But I think on a wiki we should always be able to "show our work". And IMO "she had this and then she had that" doesn't quite cut it; you can drive a truck through the hole in that logic.
+:I'll note real quickly that, listening to the Japanese [[BW016]], IMO the dialogue pretty much ''cannot'' support that [[Lenora]]'s Lillipup evolved into Herdier. The best example IMO is: Cilan says that Lenora purposefully chose Herdier, and that just doesn't square at all with it evolving from Lillipup.
+:Back to more problematic cases, when I looked at [[Korrina (anime)]]'s page, I thought that the way Mienfoo is handled is alright. If it were me, I might've added something about Mienshao in Mienfoo's description, but generally, IMO, that treatment is a pretty good compromise between calling it specifically one way or the other.
+:I think that's all that's on my mind. Y'all, then?
+:(I think in particular, if you have some suggestion for how to improve our presentation regarding the inconclusive status of Pokemon like Mienfoo and Mienshao, that'd be very helpful.)
+:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)