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But... we don't even know if they're a trio... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | But... we don't even know if they're a trio... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
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::Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. <font color="#FF0000">[[User:Pokéball|Pok]]</font><font color="#00FF00">[[User_talk:Pokéball|é]]</font><font color="#0000FF">[[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]]</font> 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | ::Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. <font color="#FF0000">[[User:Pokéball|Pok]]</font><font color="#00FF00">[[User_talk:Pokéball|é]]</font><font color="#0000FF">[[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]]</font> 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
:::Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | :::Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">T</span>]][[wp:Echidna|<span style="color:#FF0000;">E</span><span style="color:#0000FF;">chidna</span>]]''' 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">S</span><span style="color: red">h</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">n</span><span style="color: brown">y</span> <span style="color: red">N</span><span style="color: brown">o</span><span style="color: red">c</span><span style="color: brown">t</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">w</span><span style="color: red">l</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">a</span><span style="color: brown">l</span><span style="color: red">k</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">C</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">n</span><span style="color: red">t</span><span style="color: brown">r</span><span style="color: red">i</span><span style="color:brown">b</span><span style="color: red">s</span>]]</sup> | ::::Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">S</span><span style="color: red">h</span><span style="color: brown">i</span><span style="color: red">n</span><span style="color: brown">y</span> <span style="color: red">N</span><span style="color: brown">o</span><span style="color: red">c</span><span style="color: brown">t</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">w</span><span style="color: red">l</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">T</span><span style="color: red">a</span><span style="color: brown">l</span><span style="color: red">k</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: brown">C</span><span style="color: red">o</span><span style="color: brown">n</span><span style="color: red">t</span><span style="color: brown">r</span><span style="color: red">i</span><span style="color:brown">b</span><span style="color: red">s</span>]]</sup> 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::Here's proof: | ::::Here's proof: | ||
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| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}''' | | 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}''' | ||
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[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">S</span><span style="color: #997722">h</span><span style="color: #BB9944">i</span><span style="color: #DDBB66">n</span><span style="color: #FFDD88">y</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Contribs</span>]]</sup> 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
:I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation... | :I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation... '''[[User:Optimus35|<span style="color:#0066CC">A</span><span style="color:#3D81EE">g</span><span style="color:#66B5FF">e</span><span style="color:#99C9FF">n</span><span style="color:#C3D9FF">t</span>]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|<span style="color:#000080">4</span>]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|<span style="color:#000080">4</span>]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#000080">8</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Optimus35|<span style="color:#000080">δ</span>]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|<span style="color: #B0E0E6">D</span><span style="color: #FFC0CB">P</span>]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆]</sup> 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|<font color="Black">'''Dark0805'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Dark0805|''<font color="Pink">talk</font>'']]|[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|''<font color="Blue">contribs</font>'']])</small> 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | ::Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|<font color="Black">'''Dark0805'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Dark0805|''<font color="Pink">talk</font>'']]|[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|''<font color="Blue">contribs</font>'']])</small> 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
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[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">S</span><span style="color: #997722">h</span><span style="color: #BB9944">i</span><span style="color: #DDBB66">n</span><span style="color: #FFDD88">y</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|<span style="color: #775500">Contribs</span>]]</sup> 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] | Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] | ||
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So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC) | So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!! | First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!![[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#EEC226;">'''Poke'''</span><span style="color:#F05030;">'''maniac'''</span><span style="color:#5C8CFA;">'''102'''</span>]] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Unless someone can give me ''official'' proof that these three are the trio, and that {{p|Giratina}} is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. [[Canon]], people! - | :Unless someone can give me ''official'' proof that these three are the trio, and that {{p|Giratina}} is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. [[Canon]], people! -[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] | ||
::"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that [[Ash Ketchum]] is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. - | ::"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that [[Ash Ketchum]] is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] | ||
:How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon. | :How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#EEC226;">'''Poke'''</span><span style="color:#F05030;">'''maniac'''</span><span style="color:#5C8CFA;">'''102'''</span>]] 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::[[Shipping]] '''usually''' has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's '''accepted''' that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. - | ::::[[Shipping]] '''usually''' has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's '''accepted''' that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -[[User:Politoed666|<span style="color:#30D5C8">ニョロトノ</span>]][[User talk:Politoed666|<span style="color:#FF69B4">''666''</span>]] | ||
:::::These three Pokémon being a trio '''has some logical basis,''' and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this '''may''' come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio: | :::::These three Pokémon being a trio '''has some logical basis,''' and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this '''may''' come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio: | ||
*They all have the same stats just mixed up. | *They all have the same stats just mixed up. | ||
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*They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world. | *They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world. | ||
*I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife. | *I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife. | ||
But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, '''if''' a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus). | But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, '''if''' a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#EEC226;">'''Poke'''</span><span style="color:#F05030;">'''maniac'''</span><span style="color:#5C8CFA;">'''102'''</span>]] 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | ::The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:::Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | :::Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc><sup><span style=" color:navy">[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</span></sup>Hi''' 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written {{m|Dark Void}} with the ingame animation of {{m|Shadow Force}} in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC) | Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written {{m|Dark Void}} with the ingame animation of {{m|Shadow Force}} in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed== | ==Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed== | ||
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And why does Firefox's spell check recognize Shinto as an actual word?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 08:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | And why does Firefox's spell check recognize Shinto as an actual word?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 08:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I dunno for sure, but it will proably say "met at Shinto Ruins" as for spell check, Shinto is some sort of Japanese spiritual thing, according to Wikipedia. <sup>[[User:Takharii|<font color="#B69E00">'''たかは'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Takharii|<font color="#929292">'''りい!'''</font>]]</sub> 08:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | ::I dunno for sure, but it will proably say "met at Shinto Ruins" as for spell check, Shinto is some sort of Japanese spiritual thing, according to Wikipedia. <sup>[[User:Takharii|<font color="#B69E00">'''たかは'''</font>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Takharii|<font color="#929292">'''りい!'''</font>]]</sub> 08:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::Of course, they DO technically hatch from eggs in the cutscene. I'd guess it doesn't count as "hatched" because the egg wasn't ''technically'' in your possession when it hatched. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Dimensional Trio?== | |||
Each of them has control over their own [[Dimensions]], and these Dimensions have a strong connection to their power. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 02:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I'm for this as well. Dragon seems to be the creators' favorite picks for Legendary, so maybe we need something more specific, my suggestion: Dimensional Dragons. --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 22:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Spacetime link == | |||
I read in the beginning of the article about the four-dimensional space, clicked the link, and it went to a Wikipedia article on Spacetime. But I think, considering it says four-dimesional, it should lead to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract tesseract], which is one dimension higher than a cube, which is three-dimensional, making the tesseract four-dimensional. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 14:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Renames == | |||
I'm thinking God dragon trio, as opposed to the Energy dragon trio. If the word "god" is too offensive to describe them (wimps), maybe the creation dragon trio? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I like Creation dragon trio. In fact, perhaps just Creation trio, as both Creation dragon trio and, for that matter, Energy dragon trio are a bit cumbersome compared to other trio names. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] 15:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I support the "Creation trio" name, it's less species specific and more in line with their myth. For the Isshu dragons, I think "Balance trio" or "Tao trio" would be more fitting.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I never understood the "Dragon trio" name anyway, I'm a supporter for "Creation trio" as well. --[[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] 17:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::I'm voting in favor of changing the name to "Creation trio". We have [[Energy dragon trio|another trio]] that consists of all [[Dragon (type)|Dragon-types]] now so the name "Dragon trio" might be too confusing.--[[User:Alex726|<font color="#7D7D7D">'''Alex'''</font><font color="#000000">'''726'''</font>]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Alex726|<font color="#007100">'''cont</font><font color="#DF0000">ribu</font><font color="#0000A0">tions'''</font>]]</sub> 00:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Really? == | |||
The last trivia point claims that Kyurem is a version mascot. It is likely, but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves claiming things that haven't been revealed. Just a thought. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
==Weakness== | |||
Should this be stated that all members have a weakness with one of its own type? Dragon-s, and Ghost (apparently Giratina weaks to both..) <nowiki>Insert non-formatted text here</nowiki> {{unsigned|Acellutor}} | |||
:Dialga is weak to neither Dragon (resisted by steel, thus damaged normally overall) nor Steel (resisted by steel, unaffected by Dragon). <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 03:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Legendary titans == | |||
According to [[Legendary titans]], these Pokémon were called the "Legendary titans" by Circuit City, but this page doesn't mention it anywhere. Can someone find the source and mention it on this page? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
: Not sure if it is worth mentioning; [https://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Circuit_City_posts_U.S._Platinum_release_date |closest to the source] as Circuit City went out of business shortly after accidentally leaking a game blurb about the Generation IV games. I can add this to the page in a moment. Leaving the link there in-case any else is curious. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:teal">Frozen</span>]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|<span style="color:green">Fennec</span>]]'' 16:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC) | |||