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 :::Yeah, my mistake. I meant Swablu, who goes from Normal/Fairy to Dragon/Fairy. Not sure why I mentioned Gloom.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:47, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 ::::Dang it, Normal/'''Flying''' to Dragon/Flying. Also, Onix goes from Rock/Ground to Steel/Ground.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
+:::::Would it be worthwhile to create a page that lists pokemon that gain/ lose/ change types upon evolution? I searched and couldn't find one that already existed. There's probably enough pokemon amongst those three possibilities that it would be valuable, I think. -[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 16:05, 6 March 2021 (UTC)g
+::::::I thought it might be relevant so I made one [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3337385#Type-changeing_evolution]. Maybe we should make a page about type changing in general?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 18:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
+:::::::For the future, let's try not to revive these super old threads.
+:::::::Apart from that, I can't say I am in support of an entire article dedicated to that. There's already a note on the page about Pokemon sometimes changing types-- I think listing every Pokemon that does so would be a bit much. That's just my opinion though... I'd like to hear others' input. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#44BAE5">cela</span><span style="color:#DA7D99">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 17:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 == In other generations ==
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 :::::Calm down kid. Everyone knows what he meant. You don't have to nitpick tiny details especially when they aren't much relevant to the topic.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 10:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
+::::::Please don't make a massive change without staff approval. I don't think that information would go on this article. Each of the individual Pokemon articles already lists the move it can learn once it evolves in their moveset templates. That's where it goes and it already is.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:54, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
+:::::::So... Can I add it?--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 13:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
+{{indent}}I absolutely agree that this is relevant information to warrant a page. Honestly, I'm surprised that there wasn't a page for this before. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 21:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
+:[https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Team_Rocket_Grunt&oldid=3017549] {{unsigned|Team Rocket Grunt}}
+::I agree, I think we should have that page. The one linked by Rocket Grunt above looks good to me. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 09:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
+== Two methods of evolution ==
+Aren't Alolan Rattata and Meowth also having two kinds of evolution? They evolve differently in SMUSUM and LGPE.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span> <span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]] ([[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Report To Me</span>]])''' 10:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
+== Prof. Elm's research ==
+Which game(s) include(s) the information from Professor Elm (about the percentage of Pokḿon connected to at least one other through Evolution)? It would be good to explain why that figure doesn't match the automatically computed one included in the following sentence of the introduction. [[User:Butterfreeism|<span style="color:#625B7C">'''–Bu<span style="color:#C05751">tt<span style="color:#5A93AE">erfr</span>ee</span>ism'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Butterfreeism|talk]]) 02:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
+== Confusing information ==
+Usually, I'd just edit the page myself, but I'm not really sure how to add up the percentages. At the top of the page, it states that Professor Elm's research (in which it's actually Rowan's not Elm's last i checked) states that 90% of all Pokemon are connected through Evolution, but the actual number is 81%, but the trivia section says 90% and '''84%'''.  Assuming 81 refers to all Pokemon that are not Legendary or Mythical, this is where the confusing information begins as it says 84 in the trivia. Is the 81 only referring to Pokémon as of Generation 4? I should make note that some dialogue in BDSP had altered text to DP, in reference to future titles that Sinnoh's Legendary Pokemon cannot evolve (not all Legendary Pokemon like in gen 4), meaning the 90% calculation stated earlier in the game is still accurate to some degree. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 22:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
+:If you edit the page you'll see how they are calculated. The trivias are outdated because they don't use wiki functions. I'm also pretty sure the "90%" was Rowan's research not Elm's.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 23:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
+== Pokémon Masters and Pokémon UNITE ==
+Hi, I've been reading Bulbapedia for years, but I just created this account to point out there's no information about evolution in Pokémon Masters / Pokémon Masters EX in the spin-off section of this article. I'd do it myself but I don't have the eloquence nor the knowledge about writing that kind of content.
+There's also the evolution that occurs in Pokémon UNITE. {{unsigned|Omor}}
+== Porygon trivia out of date ==
+Porygon isn't the only Pokémon that can evolve twice while remaining at level 1. Firstly, since it is possible to find level 1 Pokémon in Go, and Go doesn't require leveling up for any evolutions, any Pokémon found at level 1 in Go that can evolve twice can be evolved twice without leveling up. Of course, Go is a spin-off so it's not as interesting.
+But even if we restrict ourselves to the main series, Porygon is still not alone. Because of the changes to evolution mechanics made in Legends Arceus, it is possible for a level 1 Pichu, Cleffa, Happiny, Togepi, and Budew to evolve twice without leveling up. Each of them evolve once by friendship and once via an evolutionary item (with Happiny being in the opposite order, but that doesn't affect anything).
+And, yes, it is possible to gain friendship without gaining experience (and thus leveling up) in Legends Arceus. It's not very well documented, but after experimenting, I was able to confirm that using Potions to heal an injured Pokémon raises their friendship. Because of this, it is possible (though very tedious) to get the friendship up high enough to evolve without gaining XP, meaning friendship evolutions while remaining at level 1 are possible. I confirmed this myself with a level 1 Togepi, now a level 1 Togekiss, still with 0 experience points.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 04:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
+:We can add a note about this only being true for mainline games but these arent as noteworthy because they are spin offs. Ill add the note because you're right, it should be clarified, but if you're asking to remove the whole thing then its not worth it [[User:Pallukun|Pallukun]] ([[User talk:Pallukun|talk]]) 15:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
+::Legends Arceus has been confirmed to be a mainline/core series game, not just a spin-off.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 04:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
+== How, if at all, should Dawn's Piplup be brought up in the Anime section? ==
+I feel like Dawn's Piplup bears mentioning here, because he, alongside Ash's Bulbasaur, are the only known instances in the anime of a Pokémon cancelling their own evolution while it is happening, and the differences between Bulbasaur's case and Piplup's case are interesting. Bulbasaur only needed to suppress their evolution once, apparently through sheer force of will with few adverse effects afterward, and was never shown needing to do so again, with no apparent outside influence preventing him from starting to evolve again. Piplup, on the other hand, was shown needing to suppress his evolution five times over the course of one episode and is heavily implied to have done so more times prior to the beginning of the episode, he needed to use Bide to stop his evolution in a process that usually left him winded at best or unconscious at worst (the only exception being in the middle of a battle), and only stopped needing to do so after he was given an Everstone. This seems to indicate that there are circumstantial factors in how cancelling evolution works in the anime. [[User:Red Knight|Red Knight]] ([[User talk:Red Knight|talk]]) 08:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)