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Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span> | :Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC) | ::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | :Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Hate to jump in on an old conversation, but I noticed that Blue in Yellow is the only beginning rival (ie not Wally) with a starter that's never super effective against the player's starter. Vaporeon is weak to Pikachu (Doing half damage to Pikachu, while getting double damage done to it from Pikachu), Jolteon and Pikachu do half damage to each other, and Eevee/Flareon and Pikachu do base damage to each other. -[[User:Dresden213|Dresden213]] 22:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Flareon's moveset. == | == Flareon's moveset. == | ||
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This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC) | This may sound like POV but, if not, would it be notable to add that his Champion sprite in FRLG has the same pose as Mewtwo's front sprites from the same games? [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
== Remove Kanto Elite Four Template. == | |||
Blue has been removed from this template because he is not one of the Elite Four. That template should be removed. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 23:57, 12 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Six Island Quote == | |||
Article is locked, so I will paste it here for anyone to add it: | |||
=====[[Six Island]]===== | |||
:''"Hey, <player>! How's your [[Pokédex]] filling up? It looks like it's impossible to get all the Pokémon by hanging around just these parts. Maybe there are Pokémon we don't know about somewhere far away... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Well, if I can't do it, there's no way for you to get it done. I'm not going to get all desperate over this. I will keep collecting Pokémon at my own pace while I train them. That's what I'll do. So there's no point staying here. I may as well leave for home. That's that, then! Smell ya later!"'' [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 04:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Age == | |||
can we do 10 in FR/LG and 13 in HGSS because they are set 3 years apart? and if so would this be applicable to red? | |||
--[[User:Glalie Power|Glalie Power]] ([[User talk:Glalie Power|talk]]) 00:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:No. Besides, Red was 11 in RGBYFRLG. Blue's age was never released. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 00:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Trivia Thing == | |||
:Concerning the bit of trivia that mentions his Raticate being the only Rival Pokemon to be replaced, in May's optional second battle in Rustboro city in Pokemon Emerald, she has a Torkoal that's eventually replaced by a Slugma. Although, I don't know if this is an error considering the fact that Brendan's article states he has a Slugma in that battle. In either case, that trivia should be removed. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Azurillglow2mlw7|<span style="color:#8080FF">Azurill</span>]][[User talk:Azurillglow2mlw7|<span style="color:#408080">glow2</span>]][[User:Azurillglow2mlw7|<span style="color:#008000">mlw7</span>]]''' 19:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Dead Raticate? == | |||
I keep coming across fan art, videos and other instances that say that in the original Red and Blue, The Rivals asks you if you know how it feels to have a Pokemon of yours die while in Lavendar town, and that this is why he doesn't have his Raticate anymore. I know the article's transcript of the conversaton betwen rival and player make no mention to this, but still there are so many people stating this and even claiming to remember it. | |||
Its been to many years and my Red and Blue games were lost long ago...is there any truth to this...or could it be just some regional translation thing; like people in certain regions receive differently translated game text? Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask this. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:42, 27 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:No. It is pure fan speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#025DA6">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#5A96C5">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EA1A3E">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#F16A81">ire</span>]] 04:56, 27 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:: Ah, oh thank you. Man this thing has spread like wild fire; it everywhere. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Blue- Gary Confusion == | |||
It has come to my concern that you have added Gary's battle's from "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition". You see, "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" is based off of "Pokemon│ Season 1: Indigo League", so in "Pokémon Yellow: Yellow Pikachu Edition" you play as Ash Ketchum from Pallet Town, and your rival is Gary Oak, not Blue Oak. Now the story is more similar to "Pokemon Red Version" & "Pokemon Blue Version" but the anime wasn't that far in progress yet. The anime is just a more detailed version of the story is all. Same goes for the manga and the games. So I believed this should be fixed. {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}} | |||
:The game characters =/= the anime characters, and though the game is based basically off of the anime, Red and Blue are not the same as Ash and Gary. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 15:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I know Red and Blue are not Ash and Gary, that's exactly my point. The games Red,Blue,Fire Red and Leaf Green you play as Red and your rival is Blue... but the game yellow is based off of the anime it is suppost to follow the events in the anime meaning you are ash not red {{unsigned|Alakazam Dan}} | |||
:::Based on =/= carbon copy. A lot of the things that happen in the anime don't happen in Yellow, and everything that happens in Red and Blue happens in Yellow. You still play as Red in Yellow. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 05:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Separating the articles out by character == | |||
I have an idea. Why not seperate out Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow as individual characters, just make it be that Red and Yellow are brothers who are rivals of Green and Blue Oak, who are also brothers. Basically, Red and Yellow happen and so do Green and Blue. LeafGreen... Leaf is just her own character. --[[User:DarthNightmaricus|DarthNightmaricus]] ([[User talk:DarthNightmaricus|talk]]) 22:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not sure what you mean, but I'm guessing you mean to treat all of those games as canon? Which isn't necessary since a) they're all pretty much the same storywise, with a few minor differences and b) what you're wanting to do is just fanon which isn't going to happen. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 22:58, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Joining Team Rocket? == | |||
I can't remember where I saw this, and I kind of doubt it, but is it possible that Blue/Green/whatever we're calling him (as long as it's not Gary), joined Team Rocket? This is interesting to me because of Team Rocket disbanding in generation 1, Blue taking over the Viridian Gym in generation 2, the reappearance of Giovanni in generation 3, and Blue's reappearance in generation 4. I think they (Blue and Giovanni) both appear in generation 5, but, I'm not sure. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 19:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Any such discussion belongs on the forums, not the wiki. Nothing in the games suggests that Blue joined Team Rocket in any capacity, so to say so would be total speculation. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
:: Didn't know that. I wasn't sure either, especially because it's more or less a rumor. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #000080">WATER</span>]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|<span style="color: #4cbb17">Warrior</span>]]<span style="color: #000080">6</span><span style="color: #4cbb17">7</span> 17:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Beta/Unused Dialogue in Red/Blue/Yellow - Trivia Worthy? == | |||
In RBY and FRLG, the Player can be defeated by Blue in the first two battles, in which he will say something; though in successive battles, the Player will just white out (well, on the optional Route 22 battle, he will say something, then the Player will white out). However, I have found unused dialogue for Blue in Red/Blue/Yellow text dumps. It appears that he would have said these quotes if he defeated the Player in the rival battles. | |||
Battle 2 - Route 22 (Optional - note that this is different from his final dialogue for this battle) | |||
:SONY: "What? Why do I have 2 POKéMON? You should catch some more too!" | |||
Battle 3 - Cerulean City | |||
:"Heh! You're no match for my genius!" | |||
Battle 4 - S.S. Anne | |||
:"NINTEN! What are you, seasick? You should shape up, pal!" | |||
Battle 5 - Pokémon Tower | |||
:SONY: "Well, look at all your wimpy POKéMON! Toughen them up a bit more!" | |||
Battle 6 - Silph Co. | |||
:SONY: "How can I put this? You're not good enough to play with us big boys!" | |||
Battle 7 - Route 22 | |||
:SONY: "Hahaha! NINTEN! That's your best? You're nowhere near as good as me, pal! Go train some more! You loser!" | |||
Battle 8 - Champion battle | |||
:"Hahaha! I won, I won! I'm too good for you, NINTEN! You did well to even reach me, SONY, the POKéMON genius! Nice try, loser! Hahaha!" | |||
Here is my source: [http://iimarck.us/dumps/]. This dialogue is found in the "dred.txt," dblue.txt," and "dyellow.txt" files... Just use Ctrl + F and search "Sony" to find the quotes. | |||
Anyway, relating to Bulbapedia, is the beta/unused dialogue trivia-worthy? If not, should it at least be noted in the Trivia that he has unused dialogue? I haven't seen anything like this for other Pokémon characters. Also, I do not know if this exists in the Japanese RGBY, either as final or unused dialogue. [[User:BewitchedBlue|BewitchedBlue]] ([[User talk:BewitchedBlue|talk]]) 00:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Personally, I think the information would be more suited to the [[Pokémon Red and Green beta]] article. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 04:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I think it would be good on the Pokémon Red and Green beta article too, but I also think it's notable trivia on the Blue page (just to mention he has unused victory strings). Additionally it [http://hax.iimarck.us/post/9892/#p9892 indeed exists] in Japanese Red/Green as well (I actually checked this back in February 2012), but I never checked Japanese Blue or Japanese Yellow. I don't see why it would not be there personally, since they're in English Yellow and Red/Blue are based on Japanese Blue, but we can never assume. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 22:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Oak? == | |||
I don't believe it's said anywhere in the English games that his surname is Oak. Is this from the Japanese version or is it a complete assumption? The name doesn't sound natural in either language and despite being Oak's grandson, he doesn't necessarily share the surname. I'd be interested in a source for this. {{unsigned|Five}} | |||
== Continuity? == | |||
Black 2 and White 2 occur at the same time As X and Y, okay. Blue participates in the PWT in the former, but is stated to be studying in Kalos in the latter. How does that happen simultaneously??--[[User:Benayla|Benayla]] ([[User talk:Benayla|talk]]) 21:42, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:The line in XY doesn't suggest Blue is currently there. It could be referring to any time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Not to mention that ORAS implies that the Gen I to V timeline is a parallel universe/timeline if it's comments on RSE are anything to go by. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:58, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::ORAS's suggestion of a parallel universe should probably only be applied to ORAS itself. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Perhaps, but we know that the ORAS Hoenn is connected in multiple ways with Kalos. Thus, there is the potential to apply it to Kalos as well, which would also add an additional explanation to the continuity of the games. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 00:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::[http://archive.is/D9iPz This] argues XY is solidly in the main continuity. | |||
:::::And AFAIK there's no Kalos reference in ORAS that particularly requires that anything we saw in XY be in the ''exact'' same continuity as ORAS. Even if there were, it's thoroughly arguable that the Kalos we know from XY exists exactly the same in both universes. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC) | |||