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For example, the article about the Generation V sequels is titled "Pokémon Black and White Versions 2" instead of simply "Pokémon Black 2 and White 2". An editor that uses templates to directly link to the article as well as alternative text to not include the "Version" moniker has to type in <nowiki>{{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki> as opposed to <nowiki>{{g|Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{pkmn|Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki>, or the standard Wikilink-style <nowiki>[[Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]]</nowiki>. This shouldn't have to be like this.</ab> [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC) | For example, the article about the Generation V sequels is titled "Pokémon Black and White Versions 2" instead of simply "Pokémon Black 2 and White 2". An editor that uses templates to directly link to the article as well as alternative text to not include the "Version" moniker has to type in <nowiki>{{game|Black and White|s 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki> as opposed to <nowiki>{{g|Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{pkmn|Black 2 and White 2}}</nowiki>, or the standard Wikilink-style <nowiki>[[Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]]</nowiki>. This shouldn't have to be like this.</ab> [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:00, 26 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
:The official titles of the core series games prior to Pokémon X and Y (Yellow is a special case I'm not going to discuss here) all include "Version" in their official titles. While there are informal situations where it is dropped (even in official circumstances), the correct titles always include "Version". It may be more convenient for that not to be the case, but it unfortunately is. We should not rename articles to less proper titles simply for linking convenience. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC) | :The official titles of the core series games prior to Pokémon X and Y (Yellow is a special case I'm not going to discuss here) all include "Version" in their official titles. While there are informal situations where it is dropped (even in official circumstances), the correct titles always include "Version". It may be more convenient for that not to be the case, but it unfortunately is. We should not rename articles to less proper titles simply for linking convenience. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
::I wouldn't be suggesting it if it were purely for the sake of convenience. Not using "Version" is not being less official, and even the older Japanese games use "<name> Version" in plain English on certain occasions. It'd still remain official and it'd be consistent with the common official and fan usage. The lead section of articles doesn't have to be changed. [[User:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:blue">Sato</span></b>]][[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:pink">Mew</span></b>]] 16:13, 26 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
:::Is this worth discussing at this point? I see the move template was added to all the pages, but this discussion is from last December. I think if anyone wants to propose moving all the pages, a new discussion should be started rather than continuing this one, especially considering that SnorlaxMonster already said that the articles shouldn't be moved. [[User:Slimey01|<span style="color:#40A060">'''slimey'''</span>]][[User talk:Slimey01|<span style="color:#E88686">'''01'''</span>]] 21:56, 26 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Yes, it is. Having "Version" just makes things complex, especially when it's not any more official than the titles without the moniker. [[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:#4fd9ff"><span lang="ja">サトミュウ</span> (SatoMew)</span></b>]] 22:55, 26 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::What about something like '''Pokémon Red Version and Blue Version''' and '''Pokémon Black Version 2 and White Version 2'''? It makes the article titles a little longer, but it sounds better than "Pokémon Red and Blue Versions" and ''way'' better than "Black and White Versions 2"{{tt|*|this article title has always been a terrible decision in my opinion}}. We call the PMD1 article "[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]]" and not "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red and Blue Rescue Teams", so <u>why not keep it consistent</u>? '''<span style="color:#F85888;">—<small>★</small></span>[[User:Reshii|<span style="color:#EE99AC;">レシイラム</span>]]'''<sup>'''[[User talk:Reshii|<span style="color:#F16A81;">talk</span>]]'''</sup> 08:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::We are not moving the pages because "it makes it easier". The official titles have "Version" and the box arts have "Version" (which for me should be reason number one to not move them).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 09:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::It isn't enough. '''Pokémon <name>''' has the same official status as '''Pokémon <name> Version''' so there is no valid reason to not move it. Like Reshii and I said, it would improve consistency. We're not talking about conjectural titles, these are 100% official. Emotional responses like "no because no" don't cut it as justification against the move. [[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:#4fd9ff"><span lang="ja">サトミュウ</span> (SatoMew)</span></b>]] 18:04, 27 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Yes, '''Pokémon <name>''' is just as official as '''Pokémon <name> Version''', but if the boxart and a majority of official sources have "VErsion" in the title, then we're going to use what a majority of sources use. We're not going to change it because it makes things easier. Consistency is not valid in this situation, if an official sources uses one thing over the other, we use that.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#AB2813">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#C87365">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#26649C">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#729ABF">ire</span>]] 03:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::I still think having "Verions" sounds silly, especially with "Black and White Versions 2" and that "Pokémon Black Version 2 and White Version 2" not only sounds better but more accurately reflects the games' titles. I have both games, and if I were to tell someone that, I would say I own "Black Version 2 and White Version 2, not "Black and White Versions 2"... '''<span style="color:#F85888;">—<small>★</small></span>[[User:Reshii|<span style="color:#EE99AC;">レシイラム</span>]]'''<sup>'''[[User talk:Reshii|<span style="color:#F16A81;">talk</span>]]'''</sup> 09:36, 28 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
{{indent}} We're not really doing what the majority of official and third-party sources do. They usually go with simply ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pearl'', which is the naming convention adopted in Wikipedia, or with full names, ''Pokémon Diamond Version'' and ''Pokémon Pearl Version'', as you can see in the official Pokémon website. | |||
The word "Version'''s'''" does not appear in the box art. We are the ones using it. I'm not saying we should definitely drop the use of "Version" for convenience sake, but if we stick to using it, then we should at least use it correctly, as in ''Pokémon Diamond Version'' and ''Pearl Version'' rather than Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions. The naming convention we currently use is specially dumb in the case of ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''White Version 2'', which we call "Versions 2" just to have a shorter title, and in doing so we're not only being inaccurate, but also inconsistent because [[Template:Core series|our]] [[Template:Sup/5|templates]] call them Black 2 and White 2 or B2W2 rather than Black and White 2 or BW2.--[[User:Mikuri|<span style="color:#2b915e;">'''Mi'''</span>]][[User talk: Mikuri|<span style="color:#52cc91;">'''ku'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|<span style="color:#8debbc;">'''ri'''</span>]] 14:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
:I rather suspect the [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|B2W2]] page title is like that not so much to be "shorter" but just to accomodate {{template|game}} and its cousins. More to the point, I suppose, since all the previous titles (and {{template|game}}) are set up like that, "Black and White Versions 2" is almost the choice that ''had'' to be made, unless ''all'' of those templates and titles were going to be changed (as is being discussed here). (...I'm not making any comment on the correctness of that choice; I'm just saying I don't think that title was chosen "just" for shortness. Of course, I wasn't at all around when that decision was made, though.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:24, 13 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I know we're not Wikipedia but they have a clear policy regarding article titles: use whatever is most widely recognized by people in general as long as it's accurate. This is why their articles on the core Pokémon games don't have the "Version" label in them, though it is mentioned in the lead (like we do already). People rarely refer to the game titles by using the label. {{ut|CycloneGU#MissingNo.|Additionally, we need stop obsessing over {{tt|this fussy idea|And this is me being nice.}} that the first word in the first sentence of the lead must be the article's title}} since it has never been {{bp|Manual of Style#Opening line|a rule on Bulbapedia}} or {{wp|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#First sentence|on Wikipedia}} (for obvious reasons of course: it makes no sense whatsoever). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 15:45, 13 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Italicised game titles == | |||
Is there any particular reason as to why we don't italicise game titles on this site? It's something that's always bothered me because it's inconsistent with our italicisation of episode and movie titles. '''<span style="color:#F85888;">—<small>★</small></span>[[User:Reshii|<span style="color:#EE99AC;">レシイラム</span>]]'''<sup>'''[[User talk:Reshii|<span style="color:#F16A81;">talk</span>]]'''</sup> 22:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
:I guess no one ever thought about it. It's something I've had in mind for a long time as well but, right now, the above discussion has priority imo. [[User talk:SatoMew2|<b><span style="color:#4fd9ff"><span lang="ja">サトミュウ</span> (SatoMew)</span></b>]] 22:55, 26 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Bump<nowiki>*</nowiki> | |||
::I'd really like a long-time admin's explanation for this. Realistically, they are titles and ''should'' be italicised. Almost (if not all, I didn't actually check) of NIWA's other wikis italicise their game titles. '''<span style="color:#F85888;">—<small>★</small></span>[[User:Reshii|<span style="color:#EE99AC;">レシイラム</span>]]'''<sup>'''[[User talk:Reshii|<span style="color:#F16A81;">talk</span>]]'''</sup> 06:44, 13 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Anyone? I'm all for changing it, and it'd be nice to have an admin's input, even just to say they're talking about it behind the scenes or something. '''[[User:Slimey01|<span style="color:#40A060">slimey</span>]][[User talk:Slimey01|<span style="color:#E88686">01</span>]]''' 02:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::I am also in full support of italicizing game titles (I was just about to go ask about this quirk on the Manual of Style XD); it's been bothering me for so long that Bulbapedia doesn't have videogame titles italicized in comparison to a lot of other wikis' mentions of their own applicable videogames, when most other media (mostly anime) has been italicized on Bulbapedia when necessary. It would be nice to have input from a higher staff member as well. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 21:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
==Diplomas== | |||
Hey Ah I'm kinda new here, I'm wondering where I go to offer to submit pics of the Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire Diplomas as I just got the Regional and National Diploma's last night... I've got fairly good pics of both. {{unsigned|Shadow_King23}} | |||
== Which pages are part of this project? == | |||
Do you keep a list somewhere? Can somebody link me to it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:29, 29 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Errors== | |||
Should there be a page for errors? Look at my talk page for more info. ([[User:Trainer2|Trainer2]] ([[User talk:Trainer2|talk]]) 15:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)) | |||
== Uniformity and Masters == | |||
I noticed Lance and Whitney’s games sections for example, differ in structure. Also, there’s not a lot of Masters related work. Pokémon Puzzle League/Challenge appearances aren’t spin-off game appearances, but trivia? None of this makes sense to me and I would appreciate assistance--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 20:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC) | |||
:I've reached out to some staff who were working on stuff and will let you know when I have some info, part of the issue is not all the Pokemon have pages and those that do, what is the split you have between the character and their page. Some pages in the interrim don't do a bad job but certainly not enough. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 04:54, 13 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
::I also brought up on the Sync pair talk page that as a tandem, it shouldn't matter whether the Pokémon have pages or not, the trainers still do. Their partner Pokémon in these is equivalent to their party. They have roles in their sync pair stories. Having the trainer's entire Masters presence on their own page be reduced to their dialogue, their voice artist, and their sprite(s) when they’re part of sync ''pairs'' just doesn’t feel right.--[[User:KnightGalarie|KnightGalarie]] ([[User talk:KnightGalarie|talk]]) 05:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra colors == | |||
I saw that the Isle of Armor and the Crown Tundra has their logos match their colors, I wonder if it is an error, I'm going to create their color templates just in case the logos are right (which is most cases is). --[[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#034112">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#078325">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#83C192">his contributions</font>]] 23:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Generations with unique attributes == | |||
I see that there are articles about generations with unique attributes that need their trivia sections improved. Can I improve them to match [[Generation II]]'s trivia about its unique attributes? --[[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#034112">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#078325">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#83C192">his contributions</font>]] 16:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== missing info on clothes from let's go == | |||
sorry for dropping in like this but i noticed that we were missing info on clothes from let's go pikachu and eevee and didn't know where else to bring this up where it could be easily noticed [[User:Wild Starfish|Wild Starfish]] ([[User talk:Wild Starfish|talk]]) 22:29, 9 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Pokémon Species Data Structure == | |||
I saw the bulbapedia page on Pokémon Species Data Structure of Gen I, II and III. I appreciated the work that put in. I am wondering if any additions are being made to the next generations, like IV, V, VI etc. and if there is a location that has a list of all pokémon's fingerprints as seen in this page: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_species_data_structure_(Generation_III) Thanks.{{unsigned|Shtinamin}} | |||
== Mainspace Pokémon Colosseum series == | |||
There's an article I made on the [[User:SaturnMario/Pokémon Colosseum series|Pokémon Colosseum series]]. I humbly ask if there's a possibility to move this template into the main content spaces. The Pokémon Colosseum series can trade Pokémon with Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen. They take place in the Orre region and are also the only RPG Pokémon games released after Crystal not to give the player the choice of playing as either a boy or a girl, the only side series Pokémon games with similar mechanics to the core series games, and the only RPG Pokémon games that players can catch other Trainers' Pokémon in. Also, in the Pokémon Colosseum series, players can upload Pokémon from their Game Boy Advance games to battle in 3D in VS Mode, featuring various classes for Trainers to beat. Can we move it into the main content spaces? --[[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#034112">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#078325">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#83C192">his contributions</font>]] 00:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
== Move generation pages == | |||
The Pokémon Company officially calls every generation the "<ordinal number> generation". I was wondering if there's a possibility to move these pages to these titles: | |||
*[[Generation I]] → [[First generation]] | |||
*[[Generation II]] → [[Second generation]] | |||
*[[Generation III]] → [[Third generation]] | |||
*[[Generation IV]] → [[Fourth generation]] | |||
*[[Generation V]] → [[Fifth generation]] | |||
*[[Generation VI]] → [[Sixth generation]] | |||
*[[Generation VII]] → [[Seventh generation]] | |||
*[[Generation VIII]] → [[Eighth generation]] | |||
*[[Generation IX]] → [[Ninth generation]] | |||
Does this look okay to you? --[[User:SaturnMario|<font color="#034112">SaturnMario</font>]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|<font color="#078325">his talk</font>]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|<font color="#83C192">his contributions</font>]] 11:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Quite frankly, I think we're fine without doing that. "If it ain't broke; don't fix it." The two formats aren't really fully-different names per se, they're really just two ways of representing the same numerical concept. [[User:Paintspotinfez|Paintspotinfez]] ([[User talk:Paintspotinfez|talk]]) 21:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
::We've only ever had numbered generations referred to in official sources [[Generation#Terminology|twice]]: "sixth generation" on [https://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/2013/01/index.html Masuda's blog] and "9th Generation" on an internal [https://twitter.com/kymg/status/1638720732258787331 Game Freak greeting card]. (Both sources are also tricky to actually rely on — one is Masuda's personal blog rather than something produced by TPC/Game Freak, while the other is a card not intended for public distribution.) While both are ordinals, they are also both in different formats, so I'm not sure there's a clear reason to choose either in particular. Given how significant a change renaming the generation pages would be, I would want to be very confident in the chosen new titles before we moved them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
:::When did they start using these terms officially? It seems like they were originally fan-made terms and were then co-opted by The Pokémon Company (and affiliates). [[User:Qzekrom|Qzekrom]] ([[User talk:Qzekrom|talk]]) 01:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
:The cast commentary for the Detective Pikachu film–which is an original English source so there's no language barrier–uses "Generation I". This was moved to a more obvious part of the page a few days after the most recent comment in this discussion, and is relevant as the only official usage of the Roman-numeral form. [[User:Bwburke94|bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 14:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Please create [[Pokémon evolution data structure (Generation IV)]] == | |||
Can someone please create [[Pokémon evolution data structure (Generation IV)]]? Content for it can be found at the current end of [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox]]. [[User:Pory Here|Pory Here]] ([[User talk:Pory Here|talk]]) 21:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC) | |||
: Never mind, I could finally do it myself. [[User:Pory Here|Pory Here]] ([[User talk:Pory Here|talk]]) 11:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC) | |||