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::::::::::Figures. I'm just a guy who hates incompleteness, so these lingering cases of incompleteness tend to bug me a lot. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Figures. I'm just a guy who hates incompleteness, so these lingering cases of incompleteness tend to bug me a lot. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:17, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::For a while now already, I've been planning a massive edit project, where I go over '''every single''' page with a Stadium and Stadium 2 party template, and change the number of Poké Balls in the template(s) to 3 instead of 6 (since only three of the six Pokémon are always used per battle), as well as remove the word "Pokémon" from the game name, as it isn't that way in any other game party templates either. But that's why I've come here for you this time: in preparation for this project, could you edit {{template|Party/Single}} to include codes for Stadium and Stadium 2 in the game name section? And while we're on the topic of this template, do the Battle Chatelaines alone warrant a combined code for X, Y, OR, and AS, and the few version-exclusive Battle Tree Trainers from Generation VII codes for S/US and M/UM, respectively? PS. I hope you understood that last part. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::For a while now already, I've been planning a massive edit project, where I go over '''every single''' page with a Stadium and Stadium 2 party template, and change the number of Poké Balls in the template(s) to 3 instead of 6 (since only three of the six Pokémon are always used per battle), as well as remove the word "Pokémon" from the game name, as it isn't that way in any other game party templates either. But that's why I've come here for you this time: in preparation for this project, could you edit {{template|Party/Single}} to include codes for Stadium and Stadium 2 in the game name section? And while we're on the topic of this template, do the Battle Chatelaines alone warrant a combined code for X, Y, OR, and AS, and the few version-exclusive Battle Tree Trainers from Generation VII codes for S/US and M/UM, respectively? PS. I hope you understood that last part. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 17:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thanks. I saw you just doing this, and I'm honestly really grateful for it, but in case you didn't know, when we refer to "Pokémon Stadium", the link should go to "[[Pokémon Stadium (English)]]", instead of just "[[Pokémon Stadium]]". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thanks. I saw you just doing this, and I'm honestly really grateful for it, but in case you didn't know, when we refer to "Pokémon Stadium", the link should go to "[[Pokémon Stadium|Pokémon Stadium (English)]]", instead of just "[[Pokémon Stadium]]". --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Never mind. You noticed that yourself. Sorry. XP --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Never mind. You noticed that yourself. Sorry. XP --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 07:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


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::::I'll leave a message on their talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I'll leave a message on their talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thank you. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 05:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::After a bit of absence from this talk page, I'm back again. Regarding the [[Master Trainer]] article, how do we list the Trainers? Do we do it in the regular Trainer class Trainer list fashion, or some other way? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:21, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Hello? Did you miss my above post? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:14, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::It's currently being discussed by staff members, precisely to what extent do we want to detail the trainers. The trainers will be listed in table format, by the way.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 11:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::OK. In that case, I'll just wait and see how it'll be done. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Immediately, another thing: as I'm now editing "Rocket Hideout" links to "[[Team Rocket Hideout]]", I discovered that [[Pokémon Reorchestrated: Kanto Symphony]] had been protected in 2016 because of "speculation crackdown". Whatever the issue was back then, I'm pretty sure it's long gone by now. Could the page be unprotected now? PS. Funnily enough, turns out that '''I''' was the last person to edit that page before it was protected, way back in 2015. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 07:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::Thanks a ton! That's the last redirect link I need to edit! (Since I'm naturally not touching user or talk pages.) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 08:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::My next thing is in regards to {{template|Sign}}. It hasn't been updated in years, and I personally feel like we need new sign styles for the games that have come out since. What do you think? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I've brought it up with the other staff members. Not too sure what the status of the template is, whether it's discontinued or not.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


== Undoing changes ==
== Undoing changes ==
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==Voice Actors==
==Voice Actors==
Sent you an email with a list of voice actors from Lisa Ortiz, do I have your approval?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Sent you an email with a list of voice actors from Lisa Ortiz, do I have your approval?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
:Those are fine to be added.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
== Statistic  ==
Why did you undo my edit to statistic? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 17:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:You're change wasn't necessary. It was basically saying the same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
::I changed "take effect" to "start affecting turn order", which does not mean the same thing. Speed has other effects, such as determining the base power of gyro ball and electro ball, and those other effects immediately respond to changes to speed. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:52, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
:::The full sentence is " will not take effect until the following turn". What you changed it to is still saying that it wont take effect until the next turn.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
::::What it currently says is false because it implies that changes to speed do not start affecting the power of gyro ball and electro ball until the next turn. What I changed it to is true because it does not imply that. How can they say the same thing if one is false and the other is true? Would it be better if it said, "An in-battle change to a Pokémon's Speed stat will not start affecting turn order until the following turn, but otherwise takes effect immediately"? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::If I might butt in here, if what Sumwun is saying is true (I've not seen any information whether it is or not), then there 'is' a difference between the two, and I think Sumwun's edit should be reinstated. Speed has effect on more things than just turn order, and some might react to changes sooner than others. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 18:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::Why would you assume the sentence is talking about Gyro Ball or Electro Ball? It clearly isn't. It's talking about when a Pokémon's speed gets changed due to a stat change, it won't take affect until the following turn. Gyro Ball and Electro Ball are not moves that affect the user's speed, but rely on it, it's not going to get affected by a stat changing move.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Before commenting on the first 2 sentences of that comment, I just wanted to tell you that the last 2 sentences [https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7anythinggoes-834770797 are false]. I will admit that Showdown! is the most reliable battle simulator available to me, and I'm sorry if that's not reliable enough. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 06:51, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::"Simulator", hence why it isn't reliable. You can change things with a simulator.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 07:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::The replay was done in "Anything Goes", a standard format that does not change any battle mechanics. Do you still not trust it? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 16:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::No.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 16:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::If not a Showdown! replay, what can convince you that changes in speed can take effect immediately? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::::::Gyro Ball and Electro Ball both depend on the user's speed, right? So why would you expect that changes to the user's speed wouldn't affect those moves? Regardless of whether it "clearly isn't" talking about them as you personally see it, it's better to be precise than to rely on implicit statements. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 23:38, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
== New Devolution ==
Hello Force Fire, I am a foreigner and reader on the Bulbapedia site. I only created an account in order to discuss a possible Pokémon capable of performing a Devolution, I mean Silvally (Type: Full).
Since originally this was his original form, however, he involuted to Type: Null after Faba added a helmet to his face, slowing him down. He will only be Silvally again when he destroys the helmet, that is, if it is valid I would like some moderator on the site to add this Pokémon to the article [[Devolution]]. [[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]] ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 20:07, 10 November 2018 (~)
:Games=/=anime. I personally don't think it counts as anything. I also don't really care, mainly because the whole story behind Silvally and Type: Null, and how the latter is just the former with a helmet. It just unnecessarily makes things confusing and messes the whole concept of evolution in the franchise. So I don't have any strong opinions about this.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
== N as a rival ==
Don't put a message that says "Please do not add N, as he is not a rival" on the page, If you have an argument against it then put it in the talk page! [[User:Nightfall217|Nightfall217]] ([[User talk:Nightfall217|talk]]) 23:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
:As an administrator I ''can'' place a hidden message telling users what not to do until a consensus has been made.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:48, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
== Leaf Discussion Page ==
I noticed you left a note on my userpage telling me not to delete other people's comments. I want to assure you that I have not done so, and in fact had my comments removed twice by other people when they re-formatted the page. --[[User:LavaringX|LavaringX]] ([[User talk:LavaringX|talk]]) 07:16, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
== Spaceworld Mainspace ==
Hello, I was wondering if we could start slowly mainspacing some Pokémon Gold and Silver beta information, as the leaked Spaceworld ROM has been around for nearly a half a year now. A lot of the interest for adding this information onto the site has slowed down, and I thought that perhaps if only a little bit of information was added, like, for example, [[User:Celadonkey/Spaceworld/Dex|a list of Pokémon]], [[User:Celadonkey/Spaceworld#Chikorita_.28Pok.C3.A9mon.29.2FBeta|one or two Pokémon articles]], or [[User:Frozen Fennec/Pokémon Gold and Silver Spaceworld Demo|some information on the gameplay]], then maybe it would spur interest and additions to the wiki. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 16:39, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
:Spaceworld stuff shouldn't be the priority right now, clearly. The staff still hasn't decided on how to handle this. Please don't think you can just move them without permission.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 16:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
::I wasn't going to move it without permission, that's why I asked you. And alright. Please let me know when staff has reached a decision because this is something I am very interested in helping out with --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 17:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
== I want to turn a redirect into an article for something else, but I don't have the writing skills. ==
I asked Chosen 5 days ago, but he never responded. I asked Glik earlier today, but unfortunately he doesn't play the game and couldn't help.
Anyway, there's a substance called R in the game Detective Pikachu, and it's a big part of the game's story. When I went to search its article, it redirects me to the Trainer Tower instead. I am definitely not able to write the article myself (I sucked at Language Arts), but I also don't want to leave the page as this redirect. What can I do? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:Write a stub or incomplete article? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 02:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
::You already created a userpage it seems. You can invite others to help flesh out the article. Sadly, I've never played Detective Pikachu, so I wouldn't know much.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Well I did ask Abcboy, as he added the plot into the game's article. Hopefully he responds. *checks edit history* Maybe I'll ask GrammarFreak01 too. Thanks for the advice. [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:29, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
== [[Sea Cottage]] and [[Trophy Garden]] ==
Hi there. You recently removed information relating to the Bill's Secret Garden rumour without engaging in discussion first, as I had explicitly requested on the talk pages for those articles. I have provided four different articles regarding Bill's Secret Garden and it's mentioned on numerous fansites, so I'm not sure what further evidence you require. It's an extremely notorious rumour. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:I was in the midst of responding on those talk pages whilst you wrote this.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 13:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:: Commenting 20 minutes ''after'' the removals isn't exactly a discussion. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 13:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Now that you have hopefully had some time to cool off, can I get you to re-appraise your behaviour? Condescending comments like "learn some patience" and referring to seeking a second opinion as "spamming" staff members do not convey respect to others, and I would appreciate it if you would apologise for these comments. Additionally, I would appreciate if you would acknowledge wrong-doing in burying the list of discussion materials I provided to show the scope of the Secret Garden rumour. Whilst you claim that you were trying to figure out how to add a collapsible section, I am genuinely unsure how I would be expected to intent for something you would not do for another hour. I'd like to encourage you to be more transparent: throughout our interactions yesterday you have seemed to think that I should know what you are doing when you provided no explanation for your actions.
I'd also like you to acknowledge that jumped the gun in issuing a warning, since you started reverting pages without offering discussion, and I have been actively trying to discuss the issues raised and establish consensus with other users. (For the record, your lone opinion isn't a consensus.) Please consider the effect that such actions will have upon others; if you disregard the views of regular users, that will have a chilling effect upon editing activity. Nobody wants to have their edits reverted immediately and then be insulted by admins, and treating people that way puts them off editing.
For the record, this isn't the first time you've been insulting towards me: [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_3#Reversion_of_my_edit] That was a long time ago, but it's kind of telling that you didn't actually apologise. Perhaps we can try a different resolution this time, where you apologise for your behaviour? --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
: I actually just looked through the edit chain associated with that post, and it's interesting how similar your behaviour is to that of 8 years ago: edit warring whilst insisting your opinion is correct without engaging with others who are telling you that you're wrong. It would probably be a good idea to learn to be more open to the views of others, and apologise more readily when you step on people's toes. Without resolution, bruised feelings fester into resentment, which can result in long-standing feuds. It's so much easier to just apologise and let things drop. --[[user:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] 11:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
::Wanting a second opinion is fine, but going to three different staff member's talk page is too much. It comes off as you being impatient and needy. A staff member will take notice of the Sea Cottage talk page at some point and weigh in. You don't need to go to every (not literally) staff member's talk page.
::I "buried" it because the talk page was going to be too long, if anyone wants to see the source, they can expand it. Readability should be taken into account here. Having to go through a wall of links just to get to the newest comment is rather inconvenient. As for me taking an "hour" to add the expandable code, I didn't remember it. The expandable tag isn't something I've toyed around with much, the last time I did anything with it was probably with my userpage infobox.
::You also do not know how I edit the wiki. I don't just have one tab open, I have multiple tabs open, and they are usually reversions I pick out from the recent changes. I check those reversion and then go back to whatever it is that needs attention. Hence why it took 20 minutes to respond to the Sea Cottage talk page or one hour to figure out how to make the list expandable.
::As I mentioned on your talk page, you did edit war. You added back information that was reverted. I admit I got the timeline wrong since your edit war with Finnish was on the Trophy Garden page and your edit war with me was on the Sea Cottage page, but it still doesn't change the fact that you chose to revert both of us rather than go to our talk pages. And I was editing the Sea Cottage talk page when you reverted my edit, which by the way I had on a different tab and refreshed after a few minutes just in case you added it back again which you did taking more time. And I usually do that when I undo a reversion, because there have been many times in the past where a user just adds back information that was removed.
::Now, I'm not saying that you should know how I operate, because I don't usually go around revealing how I edit the wiki, but understand that just because I take a while to respond doesn't mean I'm ignoring you or stalling. I multitask. And that takes while, especially when I want to get through the thing that don't take a long time to do (i.e. check reversions) out of the way first.
::As for the past. The past is the past. It's history. Don't cling too much on that. And looking back, yes I was wrong, but I already said my reasons why I made the edit. Sure, I didn't apologize properly, but that's already 8 years too late. Things should just be let go.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
== TM and Movesets Table for Let's Go ==
Hiya. Could you help update [[Template:TMtable]] to accommodate for the multiple Gen 7 TMs and [[Template:Learnlist/levelVII]] for LGPE movesets? Thanks! [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 11:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
:Late reply. I could tweak the TMtable, if I'm able to. As for the learnlist, staff are currently discussing ways to deal with it (whether to make a spearate table specifically for Lets Go since only Gen I Pokemon would need it, or merge it with SMUSUM).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 16:11, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
::I think Let's Go is special case and should be split. While consistency is "sacrificed", Let's Go is really different from the other main series games, and the TM table being completely different alone make merging them really confusing. I think this game is an exception we could make - it's best we add the info in as soon as possible first. Revision is still possible of course. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 23:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Update: The learnset table is it to be separated, Spriteit is planning on doing the learnsets from tomorrow (his time), so discuss with him if you plan on adding learnsets. As for the TMtable, a overhaul of the TM pages to be like the item pages has been brought up (and someone has a mock up on their userpage), so it (the template) will have to be put on hold for now.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
:::[[User:Coffee/Sandbox/TM01|Proposed TM01 userpage by Chosen]].--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
==Marc Thompson M21==
Sent you an email containing a screenshot of Marc Thompson's email reply to who he voices in [[M21]] for your approval.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 17:59, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
:That's fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 09:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
== Berry Template update ==
With revising the TM template and the introduction of new berry varieties, I think its time the Berry pages and templates could use some updating. Here are some things I think we can have changed/included:
* Adding buy and sell value for berries
* Removing descriptions/flavor text from infobox (to make it less cluttered) and placing it in the page ala Items (so we don't have to keep using the sup/ template)
* Revising the locations box to incorporate the gameabbrev template for less words ala Items
* A new Varieties section so we can place stuff like Golden Razz and Nanab there, with subsequent GO and Let's Go info
On an unrelated note, I've created new split Fossil pages on my userspace that I think would make the info more consistent with the current direction of templates and thus easier to read. I hope you check 'em out as well. [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 21:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
:I also agree that the Berry template needs work, and I think that there are some userpages floating around with updated versions of the template. However, rather than a completely new template, I think the format used on the updated item pages (such as [[Potion]]) would be much simpler/better (since Berries are items as well). With this, the Effect and Bag/tag descriptions can be moved out from the infobox, making it less cluttered, but keeping the rest there instead. I also prefer the Locations template used on the general item pages, over the Berry locations template. --[[User:Wowy|<span style="color:#AAAAFF">'''Wowy'''</span>]][[User talk:Wowy|<sub style="color:#B69E00;">'''(토크)'''</sub>]] 23:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:SnorlaxMonster/ItemInfobox/Razz Berry|SnorlaxMonster has suggested an overhaul of the berry articles]].--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:35, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
:::That looks great! Is there anything that needs to be done that's preventing this from pushing through? [[User:Lanthanum|Lanthanum]] ([[User talk:Lanthanum|talk]]) 05:06, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
==Viren English VA==
Sent you a screenshot of an email from Lisa Ortiz for your approval regarding Viren's English voice--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
:That's good to go.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
==Wakana Kingyo==
Was wondering if [[User:BigDocFan/Wakana Kingyo]] warrants being mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
:She fits the first criteria, so it's fine to be mainspaced.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
==An Apology==
I just noticed that you protected the TMtable Template. I had noticed that the TMs for Pikachu & Eevee weren't listed yet and I just wanted to make sure that the information for the games were listed on the TM pages. I just want apologize if I shouldn't have edited the template. [[User:Sinjoh|Sinjoh]] ([[User talk:Sinjoh|talk]]) 22:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
==Harrychips8==
I wish to report Harrychips8 for making pointless edits to pages that involve events that didn't happen.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
== Something I discovered in Wikipedia regarding documentation best practices for protected templates ==
Hello Mr. Admin,
I was reading {{wp|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Protection of templates}} and found out they have some sort of hybrid practice merging template protection with unprotected documentation. Wikipedia uses a meta-template called [[wp:Wikipedia:Template documentation|<nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki>]] that allows a template to have documentation transcluded from a "/doc" subpage, rather than written in the template page itself. This would allow a template to be fully protected (so that only admins can edit it during server maintenance) while still having an unprotected documentation subpage that almost anyone can edit as needed (without having to edit the template page itself).
I do not know if Bulbapedia has the <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> meta-template programmed in its software, but if it had, it would be a great improvement over the current situation where:
* sometimes one cannot supply documentation to a template page because it is protected ''(for obvious reasons)''
* one supplies documentation to an unprotected template but also inadvertently edits the template itself (by editing outside the designated &lt;noinclude&gt; area), potentially resulting in server stress if the template happens to be a very popular one among users ''(yes, I know, I had done that twice until you scolded me in my talk page, sorry about that)''
Incorporating <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> into Bulbapedia could allow high-traffic templates to remain protected while allowing autoconfirmed users like me to freely provide usage documentation to them by creating or editing the appropriate, unprotected "/doc" subpages and letting <nowiki>{{documentation}}</nowiki> automatically transclude the guides into the protected template pages. This is Wikipedia’s current best practice, and it should be Bulbapedia’s best practice too. BTW, [[WikiDex]], the Spanish arm of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], has a similarly-named meta-template, [[:es:Plantilla:Uso de plantilla|<nowiki>{{uso de plantilla}}</nowiki>]], that does basically the same thing.
This could be done next time Bulbapedia needs to undergo server maintenance or software update (or any other reason that would temporarily require the server to go offline, hopefully not because of a reckless editor).
Thankee!
[[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426&#59; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:Anyone can freely make a documentation on the talk page if they wanted to, no need for a separate thing. We do have separate documentation pages for the bigger templates, they're mostly on project pages or the manual of style. For smaller ones like user tags, having it on the tag page itself or its talk page is fine. Though I wouldn't mind an article that documents usertag usage, might create it in my userspace at some point.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 07:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
==Bewear Rescues==
Although I created this page for fun, I was wondering if [[User:BigDocFan/Bewear Rescues]] might become a mainspace article similar to Clemont's inventions?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
:I thinks that's fine for an article, since we do have similar pages. Do ask for second opinions, though.
== Sk8erPrince's edit warring ==
Hello, it seems Sk8erPrince doesn't quite want to heed your message and once again reverted a user who had reverted him in [[BW116|this article]], also causing Singaporean to engage. They're also both using the summary as a means to communicate about matters not concerning content of article itself. I don't know whether or not this warrants an admin's action, but just wanted to notify you in case it does. [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 12:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
:If they continue or edit war on another article, then I'll give them a word. They seem to have stopped now.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 07:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
== If underleveled trivia is not notable... ==
...then why is it about Lance's Dragonite ? Why do I see trivias about his Dragonite being underleveled under Lv.55 ? -- [[User talk:Braviapert|<span style="color:teal">Bravi</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|<span style="color:#2F4F4F">apert</span>]] 12:14, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:If you see similar trivia, remove it.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:46, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
::Why remove it ? It has been there since I don't know how long, and it just has to be removed now ? -- [[User talk:Braviapert|<span style="color:teal">Bravi</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Braviapert|<span style="color:#2F4F4F">apert</span>]] 13:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Because it's not notable. That trivia may have been overlooked or added back before trivia notability became so strict.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 13:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
==Mainspace==
Was wondering if you could comment on [[User:BigDocFan/Pikipek Line (anime)]] looks in regards to it being mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
:I've also been working on several anime related pages, hoping that they could be mainspaced. All the links are on my user page. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 08:52, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::I think the "Pikipek line" article should be renamed something else, feels a little clumsy of a title and Rowlet isn't a Pikipek. Pardescan, I'll look through your userpages at some point, there's quite a bit to look through.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:10, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Any suggestions on a better name? Rowlet's Foster Family perhaps?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
::::Thank you ForceFire. As for you BigDocFan, perhaps the page could be called "Toucannon's flock {anime}" because Toucannon is the leader.[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 23:16, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the suggestion PardescanSlowbro, certainly sounds better than my own two suggestions--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}After looking through the articles, this is what I think is and isn't notable (note, this '''DOES NOT''' mean that you can move the notable ones into the mainspace. Repeat, '''DOES NOT''' mean you can move the notable ones into the mainspace).
:Notable:
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Deoxys (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Malamar (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Light trio (anime)]]
:Not notable:
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Loudred (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Lugia (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Spoink (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Suicune (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Weather trio (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Wynaut (anime)]]
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Groudon (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Hippopotas (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
::[[User:PardescanSlowbro/Kyogre (anime)]] <-- this is a definite NO
Again, does '''NOT''' mean you can move the notable ones into the mainspace, please wait until you get the all clear. Regarding ultra Beasts, a collective "Ultra Beasts (anime)" has been suggested, if you want to start on that in your userspace, feel free.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 06:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the update, and duly noted, I'll wait for an administrator to move the selected pages into the mainspace. For those marked not notable, I'm guessing it is their infrequent appearances and minimal impact on an episodes plot? I can at least use the information to update the [[Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. I'd be more than happy to start working on an "Ultra Beasts (anime)" page on my userspace. Thank you again. [[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 07:54, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
::::I noticed BigDocFan already started on an Ultra Beasts (anime) page a while back, which can be found [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:BigDocFan/Ultra_Beasts_(anime) here]. It currently only contains Nihilego, but it might be handier to just work from one page. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 15:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Its currently a work in progress page that I'm hoping other members will be kind to help, already mentioned it to PardescanSlowbro--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
{{indent}}The ones I've marked as unnotable is because they didn't do much and their articles are very, very short. If everything they've done can be summed up in one paragraph, then they're not notable. Quality over quantity.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:Okay. I've since added the information from the pages marked as not notable, except for the Weather trio anime page, on to the [[recurring wild Pokémon in the anime]] page. As for the Lugia (anime) page, given that it also appeared in the manga, like [[Silver (Lugia)|Silver]], would that change its status to notable? And because the Weather trio (anime) page is actually about three characters, would that warrant it having its own page?[[User:PardescanSlowbro|PardescanSlowbro]] ([[User talk:PardescanSlowbro|talk]]) 03:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
== Who's That Pokémon Narration ==
The episode focuses on Ash, Sophocles, and Lillie. Therefore they should be narrating the Who's That Pokémon segment in shrunken voices. From, Sean 01:29, 18 December 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned|PokéSean}}
:Who knows. But it's definitely not an error.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 06:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I have a theory that the person who is the main focus gets to narrate WTPKN since the SM series. Kiawe, Lana, and Mallow did find the others so they are the main focus. Maybe Ash, Lillie, and Sophocles did narrate in shrunken voices but it was hard to hear. SM078 probably just focus on the [[Ultra Guardians]]. From, Sean 01:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned|PokéSean}}
:That's speculation. It's simply not an error.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
== Vandals ==
Hey! I just wanted to alert you to the presence of two vandals: {{user|Redrockboy}} and {{user|Fireball52}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
:The latter has been dealt with. The former I'll leave alone, since they haven't made any other edits.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, thank you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 02:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
== Templates for superscripted † and ‡ ==
I recently created templates for superscripted daggers † and ‡: [[Template:†]], [[Template:††]], and [[Template:‡]]. Since these two characters are almost always used in Bulbapedia in superscript form <nowiki><sup>†</sup> <sup>††</sup> <sup>‡</sup></nowiki> (and each instance takes 14 to 17 bytes in UTF-8), there is enough rationale for creating the templates, whose transclusions <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> take up only 7 to 10 bytes each. Replacing every instance of <nowiki><sup>†</sup> <sup>††</sup> <sup>‡</sup></nowiki> with <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> in the articles would result in shorter coding (desirable since shorter coding results in fewer bytes being eaten up from the server’s hard disks) and speedier page loading.
The only question remaining would be how to categorize such templates before applying the protection tag to them (given that they will be heavily used, and given that they don’t need any documentation since they take no arguments, template protection is heavily warranted). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426&#59; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
And I see you deleted them. Why? Didn’t you get the benefits of typing less code through templates? Isn’t that the purpose of templates? Rather than typing <nowiki><sup>†</sup> <sup>††</sup> <sup>‡</sup></nowiki> in the code which wastes a lot of bytes, I would prefer typing <nowiki>{{†}} {{††}} {{‡}}</nowiki> for the same purpose (saving a lot of bytes). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426&#59; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
:As I said on your talk page, there's no need for those as they're already on the character palette below the edit box. Also, the amount of bytes it takes up is miniscule compared to other bigger templates, it's not that big of a deal.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 06:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
::FYI, I don’t use the character palette, I just type their Alt+ codes instead (much easier for me and other keyboard-shortcut-savvy users, and no, I don’t plan to create a usertag for keyboard-savvy users, I would rather spend my energies on other more useful things). [[User:SilSinn9801|--SilSinn (Pokémon Sun TID: 768426&#59; Pokémon Ultra Moon TID: 123446)]] ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:18, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
== How do I let other users edit a subpage in my userspace? ==
I had recently started drafting an article page, [[User:SilSinn9801/List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages]], in my userspace. Even though it resides in my userspace, I want to let other users make improvements to it (it does indeed need improvements, like changing colors and splitting the whole table into seven tables according to the fortune-teller tents providing such common phrases).
How do I let other users edit this subpage, until I deem it worthy of being moved into the mainspace? --[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 06:52, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
:You can simply let other users know about it on their talk pages, and they will edit them if they want to. Regarding the last bit you said, that's not your call to make. A staff member will deem it notable and worthy to move to the mainspace.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 02:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
==More Mainspace==
Was wondering if you could confirm if [[User:BigDocFan/Ben Phillips]] and [[User:Super10ZX/Rosie Reyes]] were notable enough and ready to be mainspaced?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
:I'd like you to look at the notability requirements listed [[Bulbapedia:Project_VA|here]] and judge for yourself (fwiw, they're both notable according to the requirements). I'd like to think that you would be more confident in figuring out what's notable and what isn't with your experience.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
::I think my problem is a lack of confidence, hence my checking with admin if they are notable enough or not. Went to do Rosie Reyes but got ''You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason:
''A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name.''--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:50, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Ah, yeah the redirect exists. I've moved the article since it requires deleting the existing one. While you should always ask an admin about moving an article, my concern was more on wanting you to feel more confident in knowing what is notable considering that you've been here for a while.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:22, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
:Decided to take the initiative and went to mainspace [[User:BigDocFan/Vic Mignogna]] but encountered the same problem when I went to do Rosie Reyes--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 19:08, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
== Another vandal ==
We've got another vandal on our hands: {{user|GusMccarter3}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 01:15, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
== yo ==
should safari balls be listed under the items section. --[[User:EternalDragonX|EternalDragonX]] ([[User talk:EternalDragonX|talk]]) 21:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
== Trying to hide rejected table in a talk page via wikicode ==
I am trying to hide (via wikicode) a rejected prototype Fashion items table in [[Talk:Fashion item#USUM fashion items]] but cannot seem to get it to hide by default. On Wikipedia, I can do so by putting whatever I want to hide inside a table with <code>class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"</code>, but that does not seem to work here on Bulbapedia. I tried using <code>class="expandable"</code> (as per your [[User:Force Fire/Infobox|Infobox template]]), but again I don’t get to hide the table by default. Any help on doing this? --[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 19:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
:If it's not needed, then just remove it. Why hide it? Also, please don't clog up the talk page with not one but ''two'' giant templates. Place them on a userpage instead and link to it. Having it on the talk page just takes up way too much space.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 04:52, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
::The only reason I put two or three sample tables on that talk page was to illustrate the proposed changes, because I don’t think Tiddlywinks takes his/her time to inspect other people’s user subpages, even if I put a link to such a subpage. But well, I see you removed them altogether. I think it would have been better to keep the tables, but with fewer item rows (only to illustrate the changed header and footer with one or two representative item rows rather than the whole rowset).
::As for the rejected table (which I wanted to either hide or remove): now that it was fully removed, I want to formally request the deletion of these four now-unneeded draft templates used only for that rejected table (I have no use for them, but I have no credentials for deleting pages):
::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/header]]
::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/s]]
::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/middle]]
::* [[User:SilSinn9801/UFashion/footer]]
::--[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
:::They were just simply too big, hence why I decided to just outright remove them. TiddlyWinks, or any other staff member, will click on the link to check the template out, no need to worry about it being ignored. I've deleted the userpages as well.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:39, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
::::Thankee for the deletions! As a side question: why isn’t a user allowed to delete his/her own user subpages on his/her own? --[[User:SilSinn9801|SilSinn]] (TIDs: 768426<b><sup style="color:#F1912B">S</sup></b>, 123446<b><sup style="color:#226DB5">UM</sup></b>) ([[User talk:SilSinn9801|talk]]) 05:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Deletion powers are things only staff has. If users were given the option to delete userpages, then a user could delete someone else's userpage out of spite.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 06:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
== Cyndaquil ==
Look, all I'm saying is that Cyndaquil is literally called the "Fire Mouse Pokémon." The GAME CREATORS THEMSELVES literally said this thing is a mouse. {{unsigned|Swil Phift}}
:I know where you're getting at. But the fact of the matter is, Cyndaquill looks nothing like a mouse. It's category means nothing. --[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
By that logic, Pikachu isn't a mouse either, considering that, like Cyndaquil, its resemblance to a mouse is also very vague. [[User:Swil Phift|Swil Phift]] ([[User talk:Swil Phift|talk]]) 03:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
:Ears, long tail, name being based off the onomatopoeia of a mouse squeaking, also we've got official confirmation that it is based on a mouse. Pikachu has more going for it in the mouse department than Cyndaquil.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:43, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
==Hiker Trio==
Was wondering the recurring hikers from sun and moon are worthy of receiving their own character page, have created [[User:BigDocFan/Hiker Trio (Alola)|one]] for mainspacing if they are--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
:Since they've only done something major in one of their two episodes, I'd say wait until any future appearances and see how much they impact the plot.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 03:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
::Fair enough--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:00, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
== Master Trainer references ==
I highly doubt those references are just coincidences. It'd be very unlikely for those naming patterns to occur at random. What's wrong with mentioning them on that page? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 10:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:What do those Simpsons characters have to do with bird keeping or birds? What does Gamer Grumps have to do with ghosts? What does Cubone and Marowak have to do with Castlevania? Just having names that are the same isn't enough. Otherwise it's speculation to say that they are clear cut references (especially the Gamer Grumps one, like really?). This also extends to the Sesame street trivia on Route 19, what does Elmo have to do with swimming, or Bert and Ernie with bird keeping? We can't have trivia stating that things are references solely because of their names. Otherwise we'd have users going around saying a certain group of trainers on a route is a reference to some obscure tv show.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 10:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
::You're failing to see the point. It's not always about the Trainer classes or their Pokémon, but that they have something in common: All the Simpsons references are Bird Keepers. All the Gastly line Trainers are Psychics (and are all found in the same location), plus the Game Grumps have a history with Gengar. It's a reference if the characters share a Trainer class and/or area they're found in. I hope you understood my point. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:::The only thing they have in common are the names. Anyone can pick out random group of trainers and say that they are a reference to some obscure show that no one knows. What do the Simpson characters have to do with bird keeping? Neither of those characters do anything remotely related to birds. It's a coincidence if they share a trainer class and are found in the same area, it also has nothing to do with what they are allegedly referring to.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 12:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
::::That's what I keep trying to tell you. The Trainer classes aren't '''supposed''' to represent what these characters are in their respective shows. They're only meant to make groups out of them and make the reference work. And in case of the HG/SS Sesame Street reference, the fact that all the Trainers with the reference names are in the same area serves the same purpose. Do we need some other admin to give their opinion on the matter to solve this debate? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 14:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::Then it's a coincidence, not a reference.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 14:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
::::::Honestly? You consider naming multiple characters from a single show/whatever in a single class or area a coincidence? I consider this a rare case of me being disappointed by your judgment. I'm not giving up on this. It indeed seems like we'll need the opinion of another admin to settle this. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 15:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:::::::If we allow references based off a group of trainers that just so happens to share the same name as characters in a tv show, then other users will try to say another group of trainers share the same name as some characters from some obscure tv show. That's what I'm trying to prevent by being hard on this. I don't think just having the same name and being in one area is solid enough, it's flimsy and most likely coincidental.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 16:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
== Yet another vandal ==
{{user|Blankrealmz}} is running rampant on the {{p|Shinx}} article. Just so you know. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:Dealt with.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 05:51, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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