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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see <span class="plainlinks">[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}]</span>.'''</big></big></big>
 
By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
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==Previous discussion==
==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[Talk:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)


== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==
== Question about the talk page thing notice at the top ==
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[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]
[http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/arceus.shtml Source]


If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Dragon trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.
If you trade {{p|Arceus}} over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion [[Cynthia]]. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create [[Baby Pokémon|newborn]] Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the [[Creation trio|three dragons]], {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, all [[level]] 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.


[[User:050294|050294]] 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect [[PokéWalker]] name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). [[User:Capsule Computer|Capsule Computer]] 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions).  I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[User:Derian|&#91;&#91;Derian&#93;&#93;]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
==Magnet Train==
In the article [[Magnet Train]], there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. '''[[User:Timmy Tim|<font color="A00000">''Timmy''</font>]] [[User talk:Timmy Tim|<font color="0000A0">''Tim''</font>]]''' 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
== Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same ==
According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:
Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. [[User:Professorsamueloak|Professorsamueloak]] 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure. Its' in. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under '''Aesthetic Changes''' and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done also. Didn't see that. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums ''yesterday''. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 Forum for discusion]. No more here please. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
== Kanto Pokemon Exclusions ==
Is there any evidence for that? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:Have you also noticed on [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number]] only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
:Three things:
-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.
-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.
-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, {{tt|time-wise|depending on how long it took you to get through the gyms and E4}}. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
== Apricorns ==
Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. [[User:Dark_Boye|<span style="color:red;">Da</span>]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|<span style="color:black;">rk Bo</span>]][[User:Dark_Boye|<span style="color:blue;">ye</span>]] 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
== Mewtwo ==
If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says:
"As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."
So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. [[User:Antmoney|Antmoney]] 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
==Gallery Captions==
Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages.  [[User:Ripp145|<span style="color:green;">Ripp</span>]] 15:20 11th August 2009
It's supposed to say that. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. [[User:Ripp145|<span style="color:green;">Ripp</span>]] 16:02 11th August 2009
:Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::: DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well only admins can change it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
== update ==
the oficial page make an update--[[User:Kyokencl|kyokencl]] 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
== HGSS US announment ==
Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US![[User:Evandeck|Evandeck]] 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr160/obi_wan_14/pokemonheartgold-1-1.jpg
::It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|<sub><span style="background:#FF8040"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">Shiny</span></span></sub>]][[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.
::What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
:Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::they are high [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))
::::It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''F'''</span>]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#DAA520">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">'''F'''</span>]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">ire</span>]] 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/ea/HeartGoldEnglish.png
:::::http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/52/SoulSilverEnglish.png
:::::I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --[[User:Chuck67322|Chuck67322]] 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
== Pokémon Centers have a different design... ==
The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--[[User:Spritemaster]]
: Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]]  [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
== Aussie release ==
Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released? <br><nowiki>*Please say "date unknown"*</nowiki> [[User:Silver Eevee|<font color="orange">Silver Eevee</font>]] <small><sub>[[User talk:Silver Eevee|<font color="purple">talk?</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|<font color="green">contribs!</font>]]</sup></small> 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''F'''</span>]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#DAA520">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">'''F'''</span>]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">ire</span>]] 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::So it will be released in Australia eventually? [[User:Silver Eevee|<font color="orange">Silver Eevee</font>]] <small><sub>[[User talk:Silver Eevee|<font color="purple">talk?</font>]]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver Eevee|<font color="green">contribs!</font>]]</sup></small> 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''F'''</span>]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#DAA520">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">'''F'''</span>]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">ire</span>]] 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
==US Release==
According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--[[User:Midnight Blue|<font color="#333333">Midnight</font> <font color="#191970">Blue</font>]] 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Anyone realize the significance of April 1? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
::::April fools day? [[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.[[User:LucarioWolf|The AURA Wolf]] 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
== Apricorn Balls ==
Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt?  [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]] 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If Apricorns ''do'' become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|<font color="black">'''ICE'''</font>]] <small>(User:Cold)<sup>([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]])</sup></small> 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Um. It's already ''confirmed'' (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. <font color="#3fff00">'''UltimateSephiroth'''</font> <sup>([[User:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">about me</font>]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|<font color="#3f7f00">chat</font>]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]])</sup> 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 18:39, 2 September 2009
:::::::::Yeah... in Japan.[[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
== Sprites ==
Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
== Would this be a little trivia? ==
That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#333333">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:I just put it in. Thanks. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
== Katone ==
Could someone change all the links on this page from [[Soul (game)]] to [[Kotone (game)]], as thats her offical name? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|<sub><span style="background:#FF8040"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">Shiny</span></span></sub>]][[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody has a bot to do it? <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
== Messed up link ==
Apricorn case links [[Apricorn Case|here]], it should instead link {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Apricorn Case|here}}. Can someone fix this please? [[User talk:Dolphin2|<span style="color: #FF1111;">Dolphins</span>]] [[User:Dolphin2|<span style="color: #FF7777;">are</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Dolphin2|<span style="color: #D42E2E;">awesome</span>]] <small>(and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)</small> 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
== Battle picture ==
The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" "
Why are the PokeBalls upside down? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
: Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|<sub><span style="background:#FF8040"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">Shiny</span></span></sub>]][[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. {{unsigned|Ryuutakeshi}}
I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
== logo ==
it looks like the soulsilver logo is shaped like a magatama, which is supposed to represent human spirit. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
== Serebii and 2ch. ==
Of the the 2ch info, the only things that have really stuck out aare the fact the opp-gender rival always uses {{p|Marill}} and the Rocket executive. Serebii's info on the Kanto and Hoenn starters being available as well as every legendary in the first three generations aside from the Regi's seems like it needs more sources. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 12:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
That's what I figured last night since this is so sudden and I will keep an eye out on videos but I don't expect these new details to be added to this page for awhile. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Which would be really weird as the "official" release of the games is in just 3 days. [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 19:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I saw that earlier today. The only way we will be able to know will be in a couple of days. Is anyone getting the Japanese release? [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::a lot of people around here are getting the Jap release, dont you worry. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 19:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Cool. In two days, we shall know for sure then. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
== Unnecessary Information in the article ==
This is what I read under the "Aesthetic Changes" in the article:
''"The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon."''
No offense, but that's pretty useless and unnecessary to say because the DS's 3D capabilities are utilized through out the '''ENTIRE GAME''', excluding battles.
Believe it or not, the 4th Gen graphics engine is fully 3D. Want proof? This is what happens when you hack the camera angle (yes, there's a camera angle):
http://localhostr.com/files/46a3b6/Crazy%20Zoom.png
So basically, it's unnecessary to say that the DS's 3D capabilities are used when selecting the starter Pokemon, simply because the entire game is running under a 3D engine.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Great point, but lets see what others thing about it. I agree with you, but someone will say that's not normal gameplay.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#7F7E83">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::I agree too. How is this not normal gameplay, btw? The game is still rendered like this, even if it isn't zoomed in/diff angle. [[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400;">'''Zesty'''</span><span style="color:#3CB371;">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You're missing the point of that. In D/P, the 3D engine was simply for environment. Platinum it used it even more for the [[Distortion World]]. They never used the spin-around-and-wobble-when-stopping 3D capabilities when choosing the starter. All they did for Platinum was have the briefcase there and the Poké Balls hop when chosen. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::: That shouldn't matter. It's not any special effects, all of those fancy camera angle stuff in the Distortion World was already programmed into the 3D engine. Platinum's graphic engine is exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl's, the only differences being the changed tiles. The briefcase in D/P/Pt is a fully programed character model, they just spent a little more time with model rendering in HG/SS.[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's still different. If you hadn't realized, we mention things like that. From Platinum:
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*All gyms now only have Pokémon of their type specialty.
*When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
*Pikachu and Pachirisu are now featured when entering Wi-Fi.
Non of those matter much, but we still mention them. Those are the most minor of the changes from DP to Platinum. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 23:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah, but none of those are related to the graphics engine. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say something like, "When selecting your starter Pokémon, the game shows a detailed close up of the machine with fully animated models" or something. Instead of saying something that could apply for the entire game. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::"When selecting stater Pokémon, the game fully utilizes the 3D graphics engine." would work. I still think the original sentence is fine though. "The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon." states that the 3D engine is used, and indicates that it wasn't before. That ''should'' be perfectly fine, but I guess you think not. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::: Well of course it wasn't before, the Gameboy Color was 8-bit :/. Since this game is a remake, not a 3rd version type thing, it would make sense to say something like, "The Johto and Kanto regions are now fully rendered in 3D thanks to the graphics engine that Diamond & Pearl introduced," because HG/SS is not 2D. Not only is the starter selection 3D, but the entire game is 3D. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Oh, that makes sense. I was thinking along the lines of a third version game, not a remake. Alright. Yes, I agree that it should be changed. "This game utilizes the DS's 3D graphics engine." would work fine. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 00:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::: Minor mistake you made. The DS does not have it's own 3D engine. Basically, the DS has 3D capabilities, and so Diamond & Pearl's graphics engine uses advantage of that. Notice how Super Mario 64 DS and Gen IV Pokemon games are both 3D, yet feature entirely different graphics. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 00:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::The DS cartridge doesn't have the capabilites of holding all of the graphics. The point of the cartridge, like CD Roms for a computer, is to hold all of the coding that will create the graphics when the coding is used by the machine, in this case the DS. That's why something has to be "capable" of having those graphics, or the program wouldn't work right, like when an old computer tries to use new software that isn't compatible with the old system. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 00:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
== Future Tag !!! ==
Hey guys, please remove the tag "his article is about an expected future event."
Game is now released. --<span style="color:#00DD00">♫♪</span>[[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''Ady'''</span>]][[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''niz'''</span>]]<span style="color:#00DD00">♪♫</span> 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
It's released at midnight? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 15:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I'm pretty sure the 12th is tomorrow. Then again what time is it in japan right now? [[User:Derian|&#91;&#91;Derian&#93;&#93;]] 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Currently it's gone midnight on the 12th September 2009 in Japan. The counter was counting to midnight on the 11/12th in Japan
And also on the subject of the tag, do we have a recently released tag?[[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 16:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Would it be worth having a tag to denote a non-English based territory release? Considering the primary audience of this wiki is Western based would it not be prudent to wait for it to have the Recently Released tag applied when it reached the US or Europe? [[User:Ukgamer66|Ukgamer66]] 19:28, 11 September 2009 (GMT)
It's lunch time on the 12th here in Australia. That doesn't mean it's out yet though. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC))
== Music Changer ==
Seems noteworthy to me, but I've just created an account and seem to lack editing permissions to add this. HGSS have a music changer that reverts the in-game music from the remade tracks to those the the various games original releases as documented in the following video;
'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9JcI5LQvYc]'''
Pretty cool and new change to the games
== Day of; Admins, Please Unlock ==
The games are out, we should be allowed to edit this page now...[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
: the page will unlock itself when the offical date (9-12-09) comes around. we've waited months, we can wait 1 more day. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|<sub><span style="background:#FF8040"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">Shiny</span></span></sub>]][[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 20:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:: It's September 12th in Japan. The games are already out. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops my bad. I guess when the UTC chances to the 12th it will unprotect, if it's not already. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|<sub><span style="background:#FF8040"><span style="color:#FFFFFD">Shiny</span></span></sub>]][[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::::It's lunch time on the 12th here, surely it must be close now. Also i hate it when people say 9-12-09. Makes me think of 9th December because of what we use. Cant't we just say 12th Sep instead of 12-9 or 9-12? ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC))
==Animations==
When will we get the animations of the Trainers from this game? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:In due time. The games have been out for a day, which is less time than it took to build Rome, if you get my drift. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 00:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for supporting me on your answer. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 00:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
== move page ==
move page to


== Kanto ==
Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2


Will Kanto be available in HGSS as it was in the original Gen II games?  [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 14:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
this talk page is too long. {{unsigned|Ruixiang95}}
:*headdesk* --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
: ...;/ *kicks Maxim* Why don't you answer his question, it's not his fault he doesn't know? Anyway, yeah. [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854">~~<b>Takoto</b></span>]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|<span style="color:#F4C2C2">サソデイ]]</span> 15:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::Maxim, I really think you need to start wearing a helmet...
::OP, we don't know yet. '''[[User:TheChrisD|<font color="green" face="Verdana">TheChrisD</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Rants</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|<font color="lime">Edits</font>]]</sup> 15:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Irrelevant to article. We have, like, three threads about this in the forums, go there plz. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 00:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
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