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 I can't edit for some reason, but
 -Snivy is listed as the Japanese name
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 :::::: I think Origin should just mention grass snakes (green kind mostly) instead of getting very technical with species, seeing as there is far too many snakes that Tsutaaja may be based on. And maybe that early tidbit of a very few snakes having legs could also be mentioned. And is it just me, or does the collar it has kinda makes it resemble an unripened banana? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 ::::::: It looks to me as though Tsutaaja may have been based off of a skink of sort, however skinks are closer related to lisards than snakes. I also think because this is a Pokémon that the collaring may have just as likely come from the fact that it is a grass type species. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
+I feel there is a strong South and Central Americas theme in the starter lineup for this generation, but I seem to be running into a lot of opposition to my findings. Each thing that I have added to the Origin and Name Origin sections to the 3 starters to support my theory has been undone not less than 20 minutes after adding it despite my efforts to keep it a neutral "possibility" instead of hard fact.
+Please look into these ideas and help me:
+Snivy's decided snake of origin is listed as the Green Vine Snake which is native to the South and Central Americas.
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Vine_Snake
+Tepig's name sounds like Tapir which is a browsing mammal similar to a pig. There is a South American Tapir. Tepig's coloring is similar to the Asian Malayan Tapir, though I realize this may be coincidence as Asia is not in South America. ;)
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_Tapir
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Tapir
+Oshawott may be based on the Marine Otter if my theory is correct; not the Sea Otter. The Marine Otter is native to South American shores and is the most marine of all South American otter types. Its name also sounds ''an awful lot'' like "Ocelot" (native to South/Central Americas), which I found odd because it is obviously based on the otter. But Wikipedia states that the Marine Otter's colloquial nickname is "Gato Marino" which means "marine cat". Coincidence? I think Oshanott!
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_otter
+http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocelot
+Just sayin'.
+--[[User:GrowlitheandEkans|GrowlitheandEkans]] 03:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 == bad grammar in the Origin section ==
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 :: You say that, but the starters all have National Dex numbers (494, etc.).  Where does ''that'' information come from?  I know it's an educated guess, but at the moment it's still just a guess.  The same goes for the types - do we know they're all pure types? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 :::We know at least one of their types. So we put that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
-::::Should we at least list their secondary types as {{type2|???}} to indicate that we only know their primary types? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
+::::Should we at least list their secondary types as {{type|???}} to indicate that we only know their primary types? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 == Name romanization ==
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 Here's the sprite I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
-[[File:SpriteTstuaaja.png|thumb|right]]
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 Now that there are actually pages for the (first) evolutions of the starters, shouldn't that be mentioned on the basic Pokémon pages?  At the very least, that would be consistent, since it is stated that, for example, Janoby '''does''' evolve from Tsutarja.  If we are that sure, it should be included here too. [[User:Turkadactyl|Turkadactyl]] 21:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 :Those pages are currently in the userspace. They aren't totally confirmed. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 21:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
-::But considering that they are included in [[:Category:New Pokémon]], as opposed to their own article (that says they are speculative) like the possible Stage 2s, wouldn't that assume that Bulbapedia is recognizing them as official?  I guess I feel like it's still a consistency issue.  At the very least if they're going to be included as "New Pokémon then it should be said on the basic page that it's speculated that they evolve into the higher forms. [[User:Turkadactyl|Turkadactyl]] 23:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
+::But considering that they are included in {{redlink|Category:New Pokémon}}, as opposed to their own article (that says they are speculative) like the possible Stage 2s, wouldn't that assume that Bulbapedia is recognizing them as official?  I guess I feel like it's still a consistency issue.  At the very least if they're going to be included as "New Pokémon then it should be said on the basic page that it's speculated that they evolve into the higher forms. [[User:Turkadactyl|Turkadactyl]] 23:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 :::I forgot to mention that they are now confirmed, didn't I? [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 23:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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 ===English name===
 I bet it's "Snivy" or something, like all other Pokémon have similar English and Japanese name meanings. And you all are getting worked up over nothing. When stuff becomes notable, they will acknowledge it. After all, remember that hype in May of 2009? They picked up on it. They knew we wanted it. And then they announced it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
+:<strike>inb4 he starts wanting royalties for this too</strike> &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 == About its National number ==
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 == Anime ==
-[[File:Tsutarja-anime.png|thumb|left|250px|Tsutarja in the anime]]
 Does this deserve to be added to the anime section of the page? I think it would definetly be an improvement from having nothing. Maybe also adding that Shooti owns one that battles Ash's Pikachu in the first episode. [[User:Shokuwarrior|Shokuwarrior]] 13:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 :Did you have to add a picture that looks exactly like the one I use on my profile? (cept png) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 13:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
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 : It has a confirmed origin already..and I don't think that they would base it on that..[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 ::Just because it has one confirmed origin doesn't mean that it has to ONLY be based on one. This actually seems like a plausible origin. - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
+:::No it doesn't... Where in any of the information we have on this or its evolutions does it imply that it's satanic or has been '''cursed''' to lose limbs? Real snakes lost their limbs through evolution. Snivy loses its through evolution. This is a no-brainer. -_-; And the name of the hidden ability is not evidence for being satanic, seriously. The other Pokémon who get it are {{p|Shuckle}} and {{p|Spinda}}. I'm removing this because I can't believe it's been up this long... [[User:Dragoness|Dragoness]] 22:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 == Resemblance to this snake! ==
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 I know it says that Snivy is a mix between "snake" and "ivy", but couldn't the word "snide" be part of it as well? [[User:Omnis|Omnis]] 23:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
+:It could also come from "snob" given Snivy's calm, and smug (XD), nature. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+::Yes, its name made me think of snide also. <sub style="color:#00008B;">'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]'''</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]</sup> 04:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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 : Also, I'm sure that the romanization of "tsutaaja" is not Snivy. That's a pretty big stretch, even for Game Freak. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 01:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 :: Wait, crap, TorchicBlaziken already said that. T_T [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 01:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+::snivy is the rominization for tsujujo. wow, i'm fergatin hs nme lrde.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 01:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+::: They fixed it, but to "Tsu'''j'''arja." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 01:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+:::: Finally fixed. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] <sup>([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]])</sup> 02:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Smugleaf In The Trivia Section? ==
+Why is the internet memme name Smugleaf in Snivy's Trivia?
+It's not official trivia since it's in no way part of the official Pokemon franchise, it was just made by fans.
+Why does it qualify though? {{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
+: Check here http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Snivy_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Smugleaf [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
+==Plurals==
+I'm sorry but why the heck are all the gen V Pokemon's physiology descriptions not pluralized? I've changed a few already but the rest of them should be done too, including Snivy. The only Pokemon that should not have pluralized descriptions are a hand full of legendaries. Refer to Skuntank's discussion page if you are not aware. --'''[[User:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CC99CC">いぬ</span>]][[User talk:InuMimi|<span style="color:#CCCCCC">みみ</span>]]''' 22:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
+==It's chinese name is 叶藤蛇,not 藤藤蛇.==
+Guys,we need to change it's chinese name. Why? Because I googled 藤藤蛇. But,there aren't many result of Tsutarja. So I googled 叶藤蛇,there are even more result than 藤藤蛇. Also,I'm not lying. Goggle it yourself. [[User:Flamemario12|flamemario12]]
+:We do not use the number of Google results as a source for the name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
+::Yes. We use [http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/pokemon/bw/character.htm official sources]. Don't take those Google results too seriously. Chinese fans LOVE using fan-assumed names. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
+:::Chinese fans have already been using the name 叶藤蛇 since Snivy's design was revealed. The official name 藤藤蛇 was just released last month. Of course 叶藤蛇 would  have more results than 藤藤蛇. Same thing with [[Oshawott]], it's 水水獺 (not 小球獺). For [[Tepig]], the official name (暖暖豬) is the same as its fan name anyway. The reason those fan names are still being used is because the fans are either unsatisfied with the official names or they think those names are better than the official ones. <font color="#990000" face="DFKaiSB">'''神智の</font>[[User:神奇超龍|<font color="#2B547E" face="DFKaiSB">超龍</font>]]'''「[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]」 16:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
+==Trivia==
+D oyou think that tge little orgi nthing in the trivia section should go in the orgin or intro? If you don't get what im saying check out the first trivia. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Snivy_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Trivia [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 18:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
+:If by this you mean that part about it being revealed through silhouette, all information like that tends to go in that spot, its consistent with other articles. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#00693E">Toon Ganondorf</span> ]]  [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">(t</span>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:#D4AF37">c)</span>]]''' 22:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
+== Large sprites ==
+Snivy, Tepig, and Oshawott have special large sprites at the beginning of the game, used only when selecting the new starter Pokémon. This is a feature unprecedented in previous games (which all used the battle sprites in selection). I think these large sprites have encyclopaedic value here, and I'd be glad to rip and upload them, but where to, if others are in agreement?<br>
+Note: Let me emphasize that this question applies to all three starters and that I am posting here strictly because Snivy comes before the other two in National Pokédex order.<br>
+Alternatively, here's a minor suggestion of my own. Could one possibly say in the trivia pages of each of these three Pokémon that they are the only starter Pokémon to have special large sprites for their selection at the beginning of the game, and provide the images next to the sections for illustration? --Cheers, [[User:Haxorus|<span style="color:#968428">'''Hax'''</span>]][[User talk:Haxorus|<span style="color:#4C4646">'''or'''</span>]][[Special:MyContributions|<span style="color:#800517">'''us'''</span>]] 10:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
+== Base Exp. ==
+It's changed in Black 2 and White 2, along with Tepig's and Oshawott's. Could somebody with hacking abilities find out what it's changed to? - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 14:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
+== Conniving ==
+Could Snivy also involve conniving? I know saying conniving usually involves this sentence "That snide, conniving little -----!" so snide and conniving do seem to be two sides of the same coin.
+I know the snide part of Snivy is a obvious one, so don't let the spelling of conniving cloud judgement in its legitimacy of possibly being involved in snivy's name. I know people tend to see words that don't start with the same letter and immediately condemn them without further thought or reasoning. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
+:It's only got two letters / one syllable in common, and I think just plain ''ivy'' is a more reasonable hypothesis than ''conniving + ivy''. That's not to say it's impossible, but I'd definitely err on the side of not including it on the page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:14, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
+== Gen VI egg moves ==
+So, for anyone who wants to test what Snivy can or can't learn by breeding in gen VI, I figured we can use a section here.  Not sure if there's any other way to check, since 3DS games can't really be hacked yet, so some information's better than no information, right?  For anyone else interested in testing, please add any move you test to the appropriate list (and sign it).  Tilde Tilde Tilde Tilde [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 20:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
+Moves that cannot be learned by breeding:
+* [[Aqua Tail]] (tested by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 20:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC))
+* [[Disable]] (tested by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 20:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC))
+* [[Fury Swipes]] (tested by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 20:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC))
+* [[Zen Headbutt]] (tested by [[User:Omega Metroid|Omega Metroid]] ([[User talk:Omega Metroid|talk]]) 20:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC))
+Moves that can be learned by breeding:
+:Listing every move it doesn't learn through breeding is going to make the list gargantuan, and for very little reason. If Snivy had the possibility of learning an egg move in the previous generation but didn't, it's very unlikely that it was changed. What would be more useful is to test new moves that the potential fathers have been given access to in Gen VI as well as check if its egg moves from Gen V are still passable. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 20:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
+== Sprite issue ==
+Umm... On the pages for the pokémon after and before this, the sprite is of Bulbasaur, it's the same for Tepig and Oshawott, they each have their Gen I counterpart. Can this be fixed?
+Note: by sprite I mean the little one up the top on the article of the pokemon before or after it. Thanks 19:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC) {{unsigned|Eeveelutionlover}}
+== Name origin ==
+This may be a controversial one but hear me out. Is Snivy really meant to be a snide or sly Pokémon? Aside from its up-turned nose and sleepy eyes, and the fact that fans used to refer to it as Smugleaf before we knew its English name, I don't think it's really intended to be a cunning or snarky Pokémon. Its Pokédex entry in Pokémon Black describes it as "calm" and the anime entry describes it as "cool, calm, and collected". It feels like the fandom has decided its a smug Pokémon, but I doubt this was an intended part of its naming, design, or personality. I'd also like to point out none of the other language versions reference anything about it having a snide personality, and I can't think of any other evidence to support the idea that it has such a personality. So.. I suggest that the second sentence of the name origin section not be included, as I don't see those words as a likely origin for its English name. The name is clearly just a combination of snake and ivy. I don't think it goes deeper than that. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="orangered">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="darkviolet">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 00:25, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
+:Honestly, looking back at this, I could see them including references to "snide" or "sly" due to its lines "royal" connections, as members of royalty are often assumed to be pompous and contemptuous. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 17:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)