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==Maps==
==Maps==
Okay, so, Route 28: yes K-J map. Route 27: no. And I've had an idea: a combo map for the list, showing all of the areas in one big map. We could combine it canonically, since there's that one map floating around here... Maybe. I'll ask Zhen Lin about the animation later if you haven't already. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, so, Route 28: yes K-J map. Route 27: no. And I've had an idea: a combo map for the list, showing all of the areas in one big map. We could combine it canonically, since there's that one map floating around here... Maybe. I'll ask Zhen Lin about the animation later if you haven't already. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 21:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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::::::All right. That works, makes it a whole lot easier, then. All I gotta do is save the files to the right name. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::All right. That works, makes it a whole lot easier, then. All I gotta do is save the files to the right name. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


:Hi there!  I'm rather new around here but I wanted to help out with getting maps in for Sinnoh.  I noticed [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]]'s animated maps with route highlights and thought I'd try to replicate that for routes that are still displaying the default image.  [[:Image:Sinnoh_Route202_Map.gif|This]] is my attempt for Route 202.  Should I keep making and uploading them? - [[User:Shadowtrooper|Shadowtrooper]]<sub>[[Image:MasterBallSpriteSmall.png]][[User talk:Shadowtrooper|Talk]]</sub> 01:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hi there!  I'm rather new around here but I wanted to help out with getting maps in for Sinnoh.  I noticed [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]]'s animated maps with route highlights and thought I'd try to replicate that for routes that are still displaying the default image.  [[a:Image:Sinnoh_Route202_Map.gif|This]] is my attempt for Route 202.  Should I keep making and uploading them? - [[User:Shadowtrooper|Shadowtrooper]]<sub>[[Image:Master Ball III.png]][[User talk:Shadowtrooper|Talk]]</sub> 01:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it looks all right, I do think that the highlight should have rounder edges, though, but eh, that's just me trying to mimic the in-game dex location thingy. Just remember if you do one of those underground/in-cave/other thingy areas (like [[Three Isle Path]] is), that you wait for me to give you the go-ahead. I'm planning to use a red marking for those ones, like what appears for Carnivine's area in the dex.
::Well, it looks all right, I do think that the highlight should have rounder edges, though, but eh, that's just me trying to mimic the in-game dex location thingy. Just remember if you do one of those underground/in-cave/other thingy areas (like [[Three Isle Path]] is), that you wait for me to give you the go-ahead. I'm planning to use a red marking for those ones, like what appears for Carnivine's area in the dex.


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(back to the left) I have no idea why that would be the case, but that's interesting. Gotta love technology. =) In all seriousness, I made a tweak to the infobox coding so that the alternate name entry is optional. I removed the empty entry on [[Route 15]], so check it out to see if making the entry optional fixes the bug. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''<font color="#CC0018">T</font><font color="#0000C0">M</font>F''']] <sup>[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]</sup> 08:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
(back to the left) I have no idea why that would be the case, but that's interesting. Gotta love technology. =) In all seriousness, I made a tweak to the infobox coding so that the alternate name entry is optional. I removed the empty entry on [[Route 15]], so check it out to see if making the entry optional fixes the bug. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''<font color="#CC0018">T</font><font color="#0000C0">M</font>F''']] <sup>[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]</sup> 08:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, that's not the problem.  See, the thing is that if there was no alternate name, it would do just as it was told - put no name.  But it would still make an empty two-column cell in the table, between the title and the rest of the infobox information, 1px wide.  The only way to fix this is to have an actual infobox on-off switch, so that the code does not include a "|-" in the line before where the alternate title would go - or, the easy way, to just include the alternate name in the same cell as the main name, and do away with that separator completely.  Do you understand, or do I need to switch it temporarily to demonstrate the problem to you? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, that's not the problem.  See, the thing is that if there was no alternate name, it would do just as it was told - put no name.  But it would still make an empty two-column cell in the table, between the title and the rest of the infobox information, 1px wide.  The only way to fix this is to have an actual infobox on-off switch, so that the code does not include a "|-" in the line before where the alternate title would go - or, the easy way, to just include the alternate name in the same cell as the main name, and do away with that separator completely.  Do you understand, or do I need to switch it temporarily to demonstrate the problem to you? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I just found an easy way to show - check the infobox for {{m|Wave Guiding Bomb}}, which has a blank entry for its battle description and contest description.  Note that the cell is still made - that's what happens if there's no alternate name and the alternate name has a separate cell.  (Or can you not see the rules on that infobox, either?) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I just found an easy way to show - check the infobox for {{m|Aura Sphere}}, which has a blank entry for its battle description and contest description.  Note that the cell is still made - that's what happens if there's no alternate name and the alternate name has a separate cell.  (Or can you not see the rules on that infobox, either?) --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 09:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


::Looking at the current coding of the infobox, the alternate name is already in the same cell as the main name of the road on a lower line, which I have no problems with.
::Looking at the current coding of the infobox, the alternate name is already in the same cell as the main name of the road on a lower line, which I have no problems with.
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::The only potential problems I see arising are from Nanashima, which is the name, according to the track, of the route music for the late Sevii routes. As you might know, Nanashima is the name for the Sevii Islands themselves. That'd be a problem if we were to have redirects from Japanese place names to their English-language counterparts, as we do with some. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
::The only potential problems I see arising are from Nanashima, which is the name, according to the track, of the route music for the late Sevii routes. As you might know, Nanashima is the name for the Sevii Islands themselves. That'd be a problem if we were to have redirects from Japanese place names to their English-language counterparts, as we do with some. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 08:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be a good idea just to have a little section on each Route artcile entitled "Music" and a rough description of what the music is like.  For example, the Music section for Route 1 could say something like this:
The background music played on Route 1 is a cheerful, bouncy tune.  The same music can also be heard on Route 2 in Generations I and III.  [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 11:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


==Ranger==
==Ranger==
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:Relatedly, we still do not have the catch rates for the Japanese version of Blue; Spinner008, you said you had obtained them. Can you post a list/table/dump/whatever of all the information please? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 23:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:Relatedly, we still do not have the catch rates for the Japanese version of Blue; Spinner008, you said you had obtained them. Can you post a list/table/dump/whatever of all the information please? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 23:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::Heheh! Kinda been away for a while. I've been meaning to finish up adding my data for GSC, if no one else has done it yet. I've also got the Japanese Blue encounter data, if anyone wants it (or if the templates give me a way to do it myself). :) [[User:Spinner008|Spinner008]] 08:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


== Template? ==
== Template? ==
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Pokémon appearing in the wild have their own template for which games they appear in, eg for [[Route 204]]:  
Pokémon appearing in the wild have their own template for which games they appear in, eg for [[Route 204]]:  


{{Catchableheader|land}}
{{Catch/header|land|no}}
{{Catchentry4|191|Sunkern|yes|yes|no|[[Poké Radar]]|6,8|22%}}
{{Catch/entry4|191|Sunkern|yes|yes|no|Poké Radar|6,8|22%|22%|22%}}
{{Catchentry4|246|Larvitar|no|no|yes|[[Swarms]]|???|???}}
{{Catch/entry4|246|Larvitar|no|no|yes|Swarm|7|66%|66%|66%}}
{{Catchentry4|270|Lotad|yes|yes|no|Dongle|8|8%|S}}
{{Catch/entry4|270|Lotad|yes|yes|no|S|8|18%|18%|18%}}
{{catchablefooter}}
{{catch/footer|land}}
The "Games" column in this template gives the editor the ability to highlight in which versions they feature, while blocking out the others.  
The "Games" column in this template gives the editor the ability to highlight in which versions they feature, while blocking out the others.  


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:Eh, well, since it's very rare for trainers in an area to differ by much, if at all, between paired and third games... I'm kinda hesitant. How much of a difference in how many areas are there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Eh, well, since it's very rare for trainers in an area to differ by much, if at all, between paired and third games... I'm kinda hesitant. How much of a difference in how many areas are there? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, as far as I've got with Platinum (Cycling Road), over 75% of battles involve different pokémon, levels and winnings to those for the same trainer on DP... So, basically, every Route up to & including R206, aswell as the gyms. Eg, Youngster Logan of [[Route 202]] has his Shinx replaced by a Burmy in Platinum. On Emerald, the differences are few, and the R102 ones are largely exceptional cases. As for Yellow and Crystal, the differences are limited simply to the main characters (Leaders, Rivals and standard gym trainers). Still, if they've started changing trainers' pokémon for Gen IV third games, they'll no doubt carry it through into the future...    [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, as far as I've got with Platinum (Cycling Road), over 75% of battles involve different pokémon, levels and winnings to those for the same trainer on DP... So, basically, every Route up to & including R206, aswell as the gyms. Eg, Youngster Logan of [[Route 202]] has his Shinx replaced by a Burmy in Platinum. On Emerald, the differences are few, and the R102 ones are largely exceptional cases. As for Yellow and Crystal, the differences are limited simply to the main characters (Leaders, Rivals and standard gym trainers). Still, if they've started changing trainers' pokémon for Gen IV third games, they'll no doubt carry it through into the future...    [[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] 21:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
==Notice==
I should point out for trainers found on the route for Ruby and Sapphire, the amount of money the player receives as well as the Pokémon levels are different in Emerald and already prior to joining this project I personally fished some of these errors on the Route pages out and corrected them. Just want people to know this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
== Route exploration requirements ==
I posted this idea on the main talk page, but I am bringing it up here as well, just to double check.  The idea was that I would add a new section to all of the Route articles, listing the requirements to fully explore the area (HMs, bicycles etc), so that people could see what they needed at a glance.  I added this info to Kanto's routes, but some users said that it shouldn't have its own section in the article, and should be a sub-category in Route Description instead.  I started adding the info to Route Description, but then someone advised me to stop for the time being, until the administrators had decided on the best place for the info.  So I thought I'd check here, and see what everyone thinks!  (If you want to see what I've done so far, have a look at the Kanto route articles.  I won't be editing any more route articles until further notice.)  [[User:Taromon777|<span style="color:turquoise; font-family:Arial Black">'''''Taromon'''''</span>]] 12:34, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:A new section is not needed for this. The main two reasons why me and the other administrators don't want this section to be added is:
#It looks messy. Lets face it, some articles will have a list of one HM and that's all. It hardly seems worth the space. We are trying to get rid of these extremely short lists.
# Bulbapedia is not a walkthrough. So we can't go, "Make sure you have a Pokemon that has learnt cut so you can get past the trees."
:As I have said numerous times, add it to the "Geography"/"Route description" section of the article, or perhaps we can incorporate into the template somehow. But having its own section is not right. As Kogsy had said early, we will discuss this further.--[[User:Clarky13|<span style="color:#0000FF;">'''Clarky'''</span>]][[User talk:Clarky13|<span style="color:#000000;">'''13'''</span>]] 14:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, I thought you meant add a sub-category in route description, not just to add it to part of the route description!  Adding it to the template sounds like a good idea, though.  [[User:Taromon777|<span style="color:turquoise; font-family:Arial Black">'''''Taromon'''''</span>]] 14:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
== Trainer Rematches subpage? ==
I'm curious if there would be interest in adding a subpage to display trainer rematches for each route.  It doesn't make sense to put all that data on the route page, but eventually it would be cool to have all the trainer rematch info (pokemon, levels, etc.) recorded somewhere.  Something like Route_10/trainer_rematches.  Good idea? Bad idea? --[[User:PagodaGiftShop|PagodaGiftShop]] 22:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
== Isshu route naming ==
I created a page for users to give their opinions about how Isshu's routes will be handled (they start over at Route 1): Bulbapedia:Isshu route naming. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<font color="black"><small>S</small><sup>h</sup><small>i</small><sub>n</sub><small>y</small> <sup>N</sup><small>o</small><sub>c</sub><small>t</small><sup>o</sup><small>w</small><sub>l</sub></font>]] 02:58, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
== Route 1 (Isshu) draft ==
I've started a [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Route 1 (Isshu)|draft article]] for Isshu's Route 1; you can add any newly-revealed information to it. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|<font color="black"><small>S</small><sup>h</sup><small>i</small><sub>n</sub><small>y</small> <sup>N</sup><small>o</small><sub>c</sub><small>t</small><sup>o</sup><small>w</small><sub>l</sub></font>]] 03:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
== Redirects ==
Should we make redirects for "rt 1" etc.? &rarr;'''[[User:Axxonn|<span style="color:#000000">&Alpha;&Chi;&Chi;&Omicron;&Nu;&Nu;</span>]][[User talk:Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>fi</sub></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>re</sub></span>]]''' 02:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:No. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 03:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
==Shiny Leaf==
I mentioned this on the Shiny Leaf talk page, and it would be really useful and increase the quality of HGSS Route articles, if, someone added a section which could tell which natures can find shiny leaves onto the route template. ----[[User:Desukaan563|<span style="color:blue">Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Desukaan563|<span style="color:yellow">talk</span>]])''</small> 04:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:This would fit nicely as a subsection of the "Items" section. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 06:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
== Required for navigation ==
What makes an HM move "required for navigation?" I'm asking because I just noticed that {{rt|228|Sinnoh}} has places where surf can be used but doesn't list surf as "required for navigation". [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 04:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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