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::::I did not know that. Last time I checked my avenue, none of the NPCs seemed to offer such information, and I've talked to everyone. The article says you can get additional information about about PC shopkeepers from the sunglasses guy, but all my shopkeepers are NPCs, and they always have been. Anyways, I forgot to mention that, when sent to an appropriate place, the NPC who offered the phrase mentioned that a "wonderful person" was there, or something like that, before points were awarded. That kind of dialogue might be a tip-off to someone who has seen that sort of thing before, but I just chalked it up as some sort of meaningless flourish in the writing. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 08:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC) | ::::I did not know that. Last time I checked my avenue, none of the NPCs seemed to offer such information, and I've talked to everyone. The article says you can get additional information about about PC shopkeepers from the sunglasses guy, but all my shopkeepers are NPCs, and they always have been. Anyways, I forgot to mention that, when sent to an appropriate place, the NPC who offered the phrase mentioned that a "wonderful person" was there, or something like that, before points were awarded. That kind of dialogue might be a tip-off to someone who has seen that sort of thing before, but I just chalked it up as some sort of meaningless flourish in the writing. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 08:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::::My questions regarding verification were meant as pointers to the information we'd need in order to include the phrase in the table, so I hope I didn't inadvertently make you feel forced to explain yourself. As for whether or not to fully include the "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)", I'm not involved with that game content (as described above), so you'll have to discuss that with another user - like Jo, who seems to have covered this nicely. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC) | :::::My questions regarding verification were meant as pointers to the information we'd need in order to include the phrase in the table, so I hope I didn't inadvertently make you feel forced to explain yourself. As for whether or not to fully include the "(Various phrases requesting a specific record, feeling, habit, or trait)", I'm not involved with that game content (as described above), so you'll have to discuss that with another user - like Jo, who seems to have covered this nicely. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 19:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::::I did encounter the phrase, so that disconfirms that it requires engagement of certain content in order to appear, as hypothesized above. NPC fan Janette yielded 300 to shops run by female clerks and nothing to shops run by male clerks. Larger sample, but same result as topic starter - do you remember the gender of your customer? I'm asking since the criteria may not be a female clerk, but rather a clerk of the same gender as the customer, given the subject matter of the phrase. | ::::::I did encounter the phrase, so that disconfirms that it requires engagement of certain content in order to appear, as hypothesized above. NPC fan Janette yielded 300 to shops run by female clerks and nothing to shops run by male clerks. Larger sample, but same result as topic starter - do you remember the gender of your customer? I'm asking since the criteria may not be a female clerk, but rather a clerk of the same gender as the customer, given the subject matter of the phrase. Could also be something completely different, with the small sample we've got. Since the phrase does differ significantly from every other phrase I've seen (unless it is triggered by some other event, it has a seemingly minuscule rate of appearing, and its point value is unusually high) it may also differ in terms of criteria. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 17:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
:::::::The customer I encountered was also female. I had considered that the criterion might have been a gender-match, but I rejected the possibility under the assumption (perhaps false) that the only available criteria were shop type and shopkeeper gender. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 00:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC) | :::::::The customer I encountered was also female. I had considered that the criterion might have been a gender-match, but I rejected the possibility under the assumption (perhaps false) that the only available criteria were shop type and shopkeeper gender. I've also considered the possibility that only female NPCs offer the phrase. --[[User:Ragamander|Ragamander]] ([[User talk:Ragamander|talk]]) 00:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::::::I encountered it with a male customer, and he only yielded points for female clerks. Guess that's it for my reservations - I've added it to the article. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 10:46, 2 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
== More Trivia == | == More Trivia == | ||
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:::I'd appreciate that - having the changes that were deemed acceptable restored. Probably best if done by another user. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 09:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC) | :::I'd appreciate that - having the changes that were deemed acceptable restored. Probably best if done by another user. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 09:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::Unless there are no takers, of course. I have edited the articles, attempting to minimize further dispute through the use of edit summaries. I have left the articles for Oblivious, Quick Feet, Reckless, and Sand Force alone, although I do oppose the trivia content I chose not to restore. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 16:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC) | ::::Unless there are no takers, of course. I have edited the articles, attempting to minimize further dispute through the use of edit summaries. I have left the articles for Oblivious, Quick Feet, Reckless, and Sand Force alone, although I do oppose the trivia content I chose not to restore. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 16:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Capitalization == | |||
You haven't done this for a little while, but I know you often find that something is always capitalized/lowercase in the Pokémon games and change a bunch of pages. I actually have a page [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax|here]], the purpose of which is to document all of these patterns. Usually I notice when you go fix a bunch of pages because of the ridiculous number of pages on my watchlist (so at least one usually gets edited), but I could potentially have missed some. Next time you go and do one of those capitalization fixes, could you make sure you put it on the talk page there, so everyone knows? Thanks. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:50, 17 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Sure, will do. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 20:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Crystal Talian == | |||
Hey, I wanted to inform you that the edits Crystal Talian has been making are all a result of a discussion the staff had a few days ago. If you have any issues with the changes she has made, you should bring it up with high-ranking member of staff. However, the changes were collectively agreed upon, and aren't likely to change. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 05:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
:I assume you are referring to her species article trivia removals? The issue I had, and voiced on her talk page, along with another user, was about a few edits she made before that to some move articles. It seems to be resolved, although she did not reply. As for the species article trivia removals, I strongly approve of and appreciate those (causing me to get quite confused by this message of yours), although I did disagree on a comparatively minuscule portion of the removed content, which I restored. Some seems to have been approved, while some has been removed again. The removed content (three articles) which I disagree on, I've taken up on her talk page. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:54, 30 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Editing == | |||
I noticed you are mass editing the Intro section of many articles. I'm curious as to what you're doing. [[User:Pokegen master|Pokegen master]] ([[User talk:Pokegen master|talk]]) 13:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Try to do a back-to-back comparison of the top image of one of the articles before and after my edits. You'll see that I changed the size of the images, so they appear as they do in the games, reducing blurriness. Try with Viridian Forest, switching between a tab with [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Viridian_Forest&diff=1823972&oldid=1795908 the previous revision] and one with [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Viridian_Forest&diff=1874044&oldid=1823972 my revision]. Not just eyecatches - see Pewter Museum of Science, again [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pewter_Museum_of_Science&diff=1761959&oldid=1721764 before] and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pewter_Museum_of_Science&diff=1874040&oldid=1761959 after]. I've done this quite a lot before, also with the official artwork used at the top of species articles. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 15:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I see. Thanks. [[User:Pokegen master|Pokegen master]] ([[User talk:Pokegen master|talk]]) 23:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Pokémon Conquest items== | |||
Why did you remove the location for the Warrior Crystal, and what was wrong with it compared to the other Crystals?[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 15:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
:I removed it because it is false; in order to get the item, one needs more than having Tadakatsu and Ina in the same kingdom. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 09:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Examples in the Mainspace == | |||
Hello. I wanted to let you know that examples for ideas, such as the one you added to {{p|Tynamo}}'s page, should be done in the userspace, not the mainspace. Large scale mainspace edits or additions need to be discussed before they are added. If you're having trouble getting a discussion started, then you should contact a member of staff directly. Also, staff is currently discussing some changes for the species pages so please put the reference idea on hold for the moment. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 01:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
:The addition of references to an article section is not a radical change, as this is how many encyclopedias operate - if Bulbapedia isn't pleased with it, the change can simply be undone. Nor is it a large scale mainspace edit, when it pertains to one single article, and the edit summary served to prevent any other users from making similar changes to other articles. So, given the nature and scale of my Tynamo article edit, I think creating a new userspace page would have been an unnecessary precaution to take. Regarding your advice, I have several such discussion page issues, and you're a member of staff, so here goes: | |||
:* [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex#Biology section problems]] | |||
:* [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex#Game data location]] | |||
:* [[Template talk:Other languages#Spanish/Italian?]] | |||
:* [[Template talk:Langtable#Sectioning by source]] | |||
:* [[Template talk:RangerLocationInfobox#Image size]] | |||
:* [[Template talk:Stats#HP-affecting natures]] | |||
:* [[Talk:List of Pokémon by base stats#Shortcut]] | |||
:* [[Talk:Extreme Speed (move)#Japanese name]] | |||
:I am not pleased with having to put this suggestion, which would remove and prevent baseless information, on hold. At least not without being told how it interferes with the changes you're discussing, or how that discussion prevents discussion of my suggestion. Bottom line, I'd like any suspension or dismissal of my suggestion to be accompanied by at least one argument against it. The same goes for most of the discussion pages linked to above. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Redirects with parentheses == | |||
In regards to [[User talk:YoshisWorld#"Whoo editing spree"|this]], I hate those too, and new ones shouldn't be created. I was about to delete them the day they were created, but they don't do any harm unless they're easily confused with the English name (so {{redlink|Solar Beam (move)}} should not exist at all, while {{redlink|Dark Rush (move)}} ({{m|Shadow Rush}}) shouldn't be created but is not delete-worthy). IMO we don't need [[Unknown (Pokémon)]] either, but I was overruled. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Card art! == | |||
Let me start of by apologizing for how long it actually took me to get back to you. I'm sure you wanted to continue doing work, but then stopped because of my comments. Things became busy: I had my semester finals, my 21st birthday, and went back home and started doing work on the farm again. Thank you for being so patient. | |||
As for the actual purpose of what we should discuss, I still stand by my previous statements. The "In the TCG" section for pages is to represent how the subject (location, character, etc) is portrayed in the card game. The lists that you've been adding are most appropriate for places where the actual subject is the titular feature of the card: i.e. [[Virbank_Gym#In_the_TCG|Virbank City Gym]], the Stadium part of [[Ruins_of_Alph#In_the_TCG|Ruins of Alph]], and the (supposed to be there) [[Abyssal Ruins]] section for {{TCG ID|Aquapolis|Undersea Ruins|138}}. These instances are different from what you've been doing, which is [[Pokémon_League_(Unova)#In_the_TCG|listing the Pokémon that have appeared in this location in the artwork]]. When the location is only referenced on the card appearing as the background illustration for the Pokémon, the card information such as rarity and card number are irrelevant. ''The only relevant part of the card for the location is the artwork,'' and all other information is pretty unnecessary. | |||
Cropping out the artwork and uploading it separately is actually something I've toyed around with in my mind about doing. It's the reason why our scan standard resolution is about 750 × 1,040, so that we'd be able to [[a:File:HoppipDragonsExalted1.jpg|do it in the future if need be]]. A gallery on the other hand, will need to be developed to maximize aesthetics for the TCG sections. It may not be as important for places like [[Ecruteak City]] to have even MORE artwork of it on pages, but it certainly is extremely important for locations like [[Holon]], whose '''only''' depictions are on the background illustrations on the Pokémon cards. And, this you may not know, but my philosophy is that if something needs done to 1 thing, it needs to be done in the same consistent way to EVERYTHING. So if we are going to have all the artworks for Holon, we better as heck have all the artworks listed for [[Nacrene City]] and [[Pokémon_League_(Sinnoh)#Bertha.27s_room|Bertha's Room]] of the League. | |||
The Kanto Gym Leader pages artwork sections are pretty nasty. It is something that I've never improved at all due to [[User:Maverick Nate/TCG Progress Report|being busy with other things]]. There are certainly also more important things to be doing within the TCG: such as correcting false information, keeping up to date with releases, fixing inaccurate translations, etc. These lists of location depictions are very aesthetic trivial pieces of information: something that would be cool to have when all is said and done. A reason to come here and look up interesting information not listed anywhere else, instead of for instance, the the higher priority false information (that needs corrected) being a reason for people to ''not'' come here. | |||
The changes you've made to the card pages themselves are wonderful, and should continue. It is information that should be listed in the origin sections, but just isn't in favor of getting the actual content of the articles (translations, card information, release information, etc) up faster. And I said the lists you've been making are temporary because they aren't as informative or representative as they could be, but will be useful later when we convert to a newer style with the artwork. I hope you find my answer acceptable. If you have any further questions or inquiries, please ask! ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 18:41, 8 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
:No worries; I don't mind waiting for a reply, as long as I know that I'm getting one (which you confirmed when I sent you a reminder). I gather that this means that the articles I consulted, such as Skyarrow Bridge and Erika (select few cards), were inappropriate examples to follow, as they do not use the tables as intended. If you can work out a smooth (aesthetically and labor-wise) style/gallery solution, I think that's great. It's your call whether or not to mention/link to the cards, as I advocated in my message at your talk page. Ok then; I'll keep adding the origin information to card articles. I can do the related article (temporary solution) listing simultaneously, but I'm not sure if you'd rather prefer if I didn't? You said they will be useful later, for conversion to another style, so I figured I'd ask before stopping these provisional listings altogether. In case you do want me to keep doing these, would you prefer if I change the wording (and occasionally split tables, such as Ruins of Alph) to reflect that the relation is illustration only? Thank you very much for answering. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 09:06, 9 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Keep on doing the lists. Nothing is currently finalized about the future style, so feel free to just keep on adding them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 14:16, 9 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Danish name for Revive == | |||
Okay, I've removed the Danish name for Revive, that you added. And I want to know, where did you get the name "Genoplivning" from? I have no idea where you've got that from. But if you give me a source, I'll check it out, and if it's valid, I'll add it again. --[[User:Ztash|Ztash]] ([[User talk:Ztash|talk]]) 22:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Did you even look at the text you removed in the edit window? The hidden component of it cited the Danish version of [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah, but... I'm still not entirely convinced... It could just be a description of what the item does. --[[User:Ztash|Ztash]] ([[User talk:Ztash|talk]]) 23:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::Your edit summary: "''Deleted the Danish name, because as far as I know, it's never been in the anime, which is our only source to the Danish names. It also would be grammatical incorrect to call it that.''" The Danish dub of the Pokémon anime is not the only official source for Danish translations. "Genoplivning" means "revival", "revival" is by no means more grammatically incorrect than "revive". However, even if this official translation was completely off, it would still be included (such cases are very common), so it's irrelevant. As for your messages at this talk page, Pumps explained your oversight to you (thanks), providing you the source you asked for. However, instead of "checking it out" for validity as you said you would, you simply restated your doubt, which leaves us at my addressal of what appears to be your final reservation; in the book, the "description of what the item does" reads "genopliver besvimede Pokémon" (revives fainted Pokémon), while the noun "genoplivning" refers directly to the item known as Revive in English—a Danish localization, possibly exclusive to this book. I've restored the information. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 13:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::The reason why I didn't check it out, was because the book is nowhere to be found. It has been out of print for a long time, otherwise I'd have bought it myself, to check it out. (And have it, as a collectible) This might just my opinion, but I don't really think that stuff like that should be taken seriously. The Danish translators for the merchandise have always been rather untidy. They've often, if not always, no association to anyone responsible of Pokémon in Denmark. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it supposed to be a guide to the games, which are in English? So it would make no sense to translate it into Danish. I think it has just been mistakenly translated into Danish. In the Danish dub, they've also said "Perserkat" instead of Persian, a couple of times. I wouldn't say that it's official Danish name is "Perserkat" either. Just shoddy work. No offense, I'm just stating my mind. But if you think so, I won't interfere with it. --[[User:Ztash|Ztash]] ([[User talk:Ztash|talk]]) 20:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::Your opinion on the quality of the translator's work does not matter, nor does mine. Do not misunderstand—I am not endorsing the localizations by adding them, but merely acknowledging them as official. Not that it matters, but I can't really believe that you would bring up untidiness, shoddiness, and even this supposed institution responsible for high quality translations, when discussing Danish localizations—the irony should be obvious. As for what the book is supposed to be, you can find that information by following the link Pumps provided you with. If you by "mistakenly translated" are referring to an oversight, this is easily disconfirmed by the fact that every similar term was translated as well. On the other hand, if you're referring to conduct that you personally find undesirable, then, again, it is not our task to assess these decisions. Your Perserkat example is not applicable to this case at all—it was an oversight by the translators, which they rectified themselves by otherwise referring to the species by its English name. No offense taken—as I've stated repeatedly, this is not a matter of opinion, and my adding of translations from the book doesn't include any element of endorsement. Thus, your closing statement does not compute. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 13:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC) | |||