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==Ampharos==
This article implies they retconned Ampharos to Dragon-type. As far as I know, he's not; it's the MegaAmpharos who has the Dragon-type... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 14:55, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:Oops, didn't notice it. Only if you had reported this 3 minutes ago... [[User:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#9E0508">'''The'''</span>]][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#5D9160">'''Original'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:#60AFFE">'''One'''</span>]] 14:57, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


== mega evolution ==
Please add that, A new area called the Master Tower is related to Mega Evolutions. --[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC) add this

== Should the abilities be added? ==

In the chart on the page, should the abilities of the mega evolved formes be added? [[User:MrBananaMan212|MrBananaMan212]] ([[User talk:MrBananaMan212|talk]]) 17:35, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

:IMHO yes, at least for abilities confirmed different from the species's regular Ability.  That would include:
:* {{a|Adaptability}} for Mega Lucario
:* {{a|Insomnia}} for Mega Mewtwo

:Whether or not to include Mega Blaziken/Mawile/Ampharos/Absol is still a matter of debate. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::I'm uncomfortable with adding Abilities because we don't know if it will be their only Ability, or if their Hidden Ability will be different. I think the info needs to be there, we just need to be careful about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:22, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Korean name for Mega Evolution ==

For the sake of completeness.... its Korean name is 메가진화 ''Mega {{tt|Jinhwa|Evolution}}''.
* No analysis needed. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 17:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Request for minor edits... ==

The aspect ratio on Lucario's image seems to be off (Firefox reports it as being scaled up to 150x227, correct size 150x138).  Can someone fix that?  I'm not sure what to look for in the markup, and of course, the page is currently locked.  --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 04:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think it's like that because the picture got updated today.  It should fix itself soon enough. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 04:59, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:: ''*reloads image*''  I see.  Much better. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 03:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Um.. I think all of the normal and mega Pokemon's images have been warped by the table. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:No, that's happening to all Pokemon articles on all pages. The staff are updating Pokemon images to make them square so they can be used for something (not yet identified) in the future. For now, they appear as though the old images were stretched into the new dimensions. In time, the new images will properly sync and replace them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:19, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution Physiology ==

Should we add the appearance of the Mega Evolution forms to the Physiology section of the pages of the Pokemon that have them? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 06:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think that's a good idea. The Pokémon probably don't need completely separate articles since it's closer to fore changes than actual evolution. [[User:Reign|Reign]] ([[User talk:Reign|talk]]) 20:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::We can do it like how we did the Kami trio's forme difference physiology. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 20:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Individual Articles ==

If there's a page for Mega Evolutions, why do the individual Pokemon articles aside from Mewtwo not mention their new forms? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
:We have to make an extreme amount of modifications to our existing tables and infoboxes in order to accommodate Mega Evolutions. Although we try to be as current and up to date as possible, we also want to only have to mess with the coding for high use templates as few of times as possible, as the wiki will have to force itself to update every single page using the templates, thus causing the site to slow down. We're waiting a little bit to work out all the final kinks to these before implementing them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 01:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::Fair enough, but couldn't even a mention and link to the article be made in the intro paragraph? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 05:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
::I will never understand this site's policies... [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Totally agree. It sometimes seems on wikis (not just this one), that things that would be an easy fix, at least temporarily, until the permanent thing is decided upon are not done, leaving the wiki with outdated information, which will only turn away those who are looking for it, and they will go to other places instead. Furthermore, even though wikis are supposed to be "community encyclopedias", it often seems the mods have all the power in deciding how and when things are to be done, even if several regular users express the wish for things to be different. (Again not talking just about Bulbapedia). I just tell myself it will be fixed eventually, and if things still aren't right, the pages will eventually get unlocked, and I can fix it then. [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 14:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:Maybe everything could be working with just a few workarounds, but there is a reason why we are not using them.  Previously, there hasn't been a Pokémon who could evolve two times and then temporarily evolve a third time just for battle and revert back its final evolution afterwards.  Because of that, the templates were never originally programmed to support more than what was already needed since there was no point in doing so at the time, in addition to potentially and unnecessarily slowing down the wiki if it was added to the template.  This is why we are currently waiting on the updated templates.  We don't want to treat the Mega Evolutions like they are just a form change, especially for those who do have a form change already present in the games.  Not to mention that we want to have everything looking nice and in a way that doesn't cause interference with other parts of the wiki.  Templates can be coded to do events that they normally would not have to do, such as adding an article to a category if a specific value is true or passes a certain limit.  The Pokémon articles rely heavily on this so that the information can be easily added, confirmed, and automatically replaced if there is an issue or mistake.  In addition, Archaic is the webmaster of the site and is in charge with keeping the site running efficiently.  After him are the other Webmasters, Werdnae as the Editor-in-Chief, the Editorial Board, the Bureaucrats, and so on.  Likely, the members of the staff had to make a decision when the Mega Evolution were revealed to keep all the articles as close as possible as to how they were until the PokémonInfobox template could be updated to support everything that we now know.  That way, everything could be tested and corrected before the games were release and it would be checked to prevent interference with other parts of the wiki.  So, I would assume that when October comes around, the new PokémonInfobox template should already be up and running, which is the goal since we want everything running before the games come out.  Hopefully, this will be able to explain what is going on in the background and why things are proceeding as they are.  :)  --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:24, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== More Megas ==

Today the Pokemon website officially released Mega Ampharos, Mega Mawile and Mega Absol. Now could we update their pictures to these instead of the blurry corocoro scans please. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 05:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:They are updated.  It takes time for them to update on Bulbapedia. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 05:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== DNA Rainbow ==

Shouldn't it be noted that the rainbow colored shape above a Pokemon's head while it mega evolves is the same symbol found on the Japanese logo for X and Y? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 07:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:: The DNA symbol you speak of is the Mega Stone. [[User:Zeta|Zeta]] ([[User talk:Zeta|talk]]) 07:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Height/weight ==

You may also note that MegaEvo can change {{tt|height and/or weight|Even though it either doesn't change anything, changes both, or changes only weight; no Mega with known weight and height has changed only height}} of the Pokémon. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 07:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Images ==

While I know Serebii is widely considered a fansite, he ''does'' have some new images of the Mega [http://serebii.net/xy/megaampharos.png Ampharos], [http://serebii.net/xy/megamawile.png Mawile], and [http://serebii.net/xy/megaabsol.png Absol] that are better than the scans. [[User:Schiffy|<font color="000999">Schiffy</font>]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|<font color="FF6600">Speak to me</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<font color="FF0000">What I've done</font>]]) 15:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:The high quality artwork of the Mega Evolutions has already been uploaded to the archives, it only takes some time for Bulbapedia's system to recognize the image changes and display the latest version, thus why you still see the low quality scans. It usually takes a couple of days before the correct versions (the high quality artwork) is shown. <span style="font-family:Arial Black"><span style="color:Red">☼ Blazing</span>[[User talk:Blazingfist|<span style="color:red">Fist ☼</span>]]</span> 16:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::It appears that images will update when their size is changed, so I made a minor change to the image sizes.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 16:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Aha, I see them now. Though, on the topic, I think [http://serebii.net/xy/megakangaskhan.jpg this] might be a better image for Mega Kangaskhan. [[User:Schiffy|<font color="000999">Schiffy</font>]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|<font color="FF6600">Speak to me</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<font color="FF0000">What I've done</font>]]) 17:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
::::That's hosted by Serebii; we're not allowed to use his stuff. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::Ah, well nevermind then. [[User:Schiffy|<font color="000999">Schiffy</font>]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|<font color="FF6600">Speak to me</font>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|<font color="FF0000">What I've done</font>]]) 18:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

== Original Ability ==

Could you put the primary abilities that the Pokemon has before the mega evolution to show how it changes. --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 09:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know how having a Hidden Ability affects the change, so they will not be put up right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== mega evolution seem similar to something else? ==
Hey not sure if this was the right place to mention this or not, but as a long time fan of Pokemon AND digimon, I cant help but draw similarities between mega evolution, and digivolution from the digimon anime. I only mention this as a matter of curiosity. In the digimon anime, a digimon would digivolve to a higher form during battle, before reverting to they're original form after the battle had ended. I just thought the similarity was worth noting.[[User:Silverfin007|Silverfin007]] ([[User talk:Silverfin007|talk]]) 14:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:It's most likely just a coincidence. They're similar concepts, you know? So unless it's officially stated by Game Freak, that theory should be ignored here, with a possible discussion just on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net the forums] [[User:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:red">'''オリ'''</span>]][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:green">'''ジ'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|<span style="color:blue">'''ナル'''</span>]] <small>TheOriginalOne</small> 15:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
And if it was intentional, Toei Animation would probably sue Nintendo for plagiarism. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:25, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolving ==

As we now know that Mega Evolution occurs when a Pokémon able to Mega Evolve holds a Mega Stone and a specific button is pressed on-screen during battle, as proved yesterday on the Pokémon Game Show demo version of Pokémon X and y, in a photo that was taken, where the in-battle button was showcased. Should the text that states - "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and meet a currently unspecified other condition." not be changed to "In order to undergo a Mega Evolution, the Pokémon must be holding the applicable Mega Stone, and the player must select the Mega Evolution button whilst in battle."--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 20:57, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:No. That was a demo. There is nothing saying that it happens like that in the full game. For all we know, the condition is that it has to be unlocked. I don't think that pressing a button counts as a "condition." [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
::I agree, there could be more requirements and restrictions that need to be uncovered first. With something like that it wouldn't surprise me. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 00:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
:::OK, thank you. {{unsigned|ShinyPatch}}

== Demo Mewtwo ==

Has anyone actually gone to the "Pokémon" menu after obtaining the Mewtwo in the demo to see what its Mega Stone is? If they would check its stats to see any increases afterwards, that'd be nice too. I can't seem to find anyone who has, but it seems like it'd be pretty simple to do. For the purposes of getting as much info as possible, perhaps someone with access to a demo who sees this message will give it a try? --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 22:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:The demos were only playable during Pokemon Game Show, an event that ended several days ago. I suppose it's worth looking at when the English demo is available at PAX Prime (Aug. 30 to Sept. 2). Basically, I'm trying to tell you, don't hold your breath: if anyone even can do so, it'll take more than a week before they get the opportunity. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:24, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
You'd think someone would have thought to look this info up when playing the demos. Then again, the demos are bare bone so you likely don't have the option to look at a Pokémon's states. Although, someone could have at least figured out Sylveon's type match up to some extent. Is anyone on the Bulbapedia staff attending the american event? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:59, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:: In [http://youtu.be/5g4c7n6WUO8 this video] of the demo, found on Serebii.Net, the player is given access to the "Pokémon" menu, but the player never does so after obtaining the Mewtwo. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 07:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Okay, I don't exactly have a GOOD source, but according to one user on GameFAQs (again, this isn't at all reliable), the "Summary" option is missing from the Pokémon that you select in your party. So it isn't viewable, if this guy is telling the truth. --[[User:GoldenSandslash15|GoldenSandslash15]] ([[User talk:GoldenSandslash15|talk]]) 21:40, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
::::We'll keep a look out for that and see about adding it once a better source comes along. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 21:48, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

== Same thing with Mega Garchomp ==

As I stated for Mega Mewtwo X, I also meant the same for Mega Garchomp 

[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 20:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? What did you state? This is the first time you've posted on this talk page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

== Pictures for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp need replacements ==

I don't think my previous comment made it through since someone deleted it. I'm inquiring as the title says. The official Pokemon X & Y website has better resolution pictures of Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp that could be .PNG files. I believe the staff member working on this page can take those pictures and put them in this page for Mega Mewtwo X and Mega Garchomp [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:They've already been updated in the archives.  Bulbapedia takes time to update when that happens. --[[User:Funktastic~!|<span style="color:#009900">'''It's'''</span> <span style="color:#CC66FF">'''Funktastic~!'''</span>]][[User talk:Funktastic~!|<sub><small><span style="color:#99CCFF">''話してください''</span></small></sub>]] 17:58, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
::Also, as you can see from the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mega_Evolution&action=history page history], you never made a previous comment in the first place. We've been having server errors lately, so it's likely that's why you think you made a comment but it does not exist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Individual articles for each Mega evolution ==

Should we create individual articles for each Mega Evolution? Since they aren't simple "form changes" like Giratina, Shaymin and Keldeo etc, but a type of evolution, should we treat them as evolutions or should we just put every information on their respective un-Mega Evolved articles? I personally think they could be viable for their own articles if one were to use an altered version of the regular Pokemon pages (like maybe removing sections like Learnsets etc). [[User:Angela-Samshi|Angela-Samshi]] ([[User talk:Angela-Samshi|talk]]) 19:39, 16 September 2013 (UTC)