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Common wikiquette (and just publishing anything, for that matter) states that peer discussion comes after posting.  The admins did not do so - they just simply deleted it, and made it as if I had never made these changes.  That's what they call poor ethics in most circles.  But it's clear that Bulbapedia is not a wiki in the true sense.  Users don't have the freedom to edit without a sysop watching over their shoulder - if anything this is telling me that Bulbapedia is no more than a Serebii or Smogon clone - except with loyalty being rewarded with the actual ability to make constructive edits.  The disincentive to make a useful contribution here is in conflict with Bulbapedia's mission statement.  At least on Wikipedia ordinary users tell you after the changes why it wasn't a good idea, and you can engage in useful debate – the onus is on the editor to revert the changes in good faith.  Here, you don't have that luxury - it's just "X is not notable enough, don't argue with us" and "Heil Sysop".  Sysops will actively push you to pull the trigger and make some stupid statement before they even afford the ability of civil discussion.  That's promoting community spirit for you. [[User:KelvSYC|KelvSYC]] 03:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Common wikiquette (and just publishing anything, for that matter) states that peer discussion comes after posting.  The admins did not do so - they just simply deleted it, and made it as if I had never made these changes.  That's what they call poor ethics in most circles.  But it's clear that Bulbapedia is not a wiki in the true sense.  Users don't have the freedom to edit without a sysop watching over their shoulder - if anything this is telling me that Bulbapedia is no more than a Serebii or Smogon clone - except with loyalty being rewarded with the actual ability to make constructive edits.  The disincentive to make a useful contribution here is in conflict with Bulbapedia's mission statement.  At least on Wikipedia ordinary users tell you after the changes why it wasn't a good idea, and you can engage in useful debate – the onus is on the editor to revert the changes in good faith.  Here, you don't have that luxury - it's just "X is not notable enough, don't argue with us" and "Heil Sysop".  Sysops will actively push you to pull the trigger and make some stupid statement before they even afford the ability of civil discussion.  That's promoting community spirit for you. [[User:KelvSYC|KelvSYC]] 03:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:One thing, do this when starting a new comment (:). Moving on. As stated many, MANY, MANY times before, this ISN'T WIKI. We already established that. And besides, we're debating now, aren't we? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:One thing, do this when starting a new comment (:). Moving on. As stated many, MANY, MANY times before, this ISN'T WIKI. We already established that. And besides, we're debating now, aren't we? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::This is "debating after all hell has broken loose".  That's not civil discussion - you need to debate '''before''' all hell breaks loose.  Bulbapedia doesn't have "debate".  All it has is a trigger-happy deletionist sysop clique and an editorial process that's in no way transparent or accountable.  [[User:KelvSYC|KelvSYC]] 03:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


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