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:Yes, this timeline is theoretical, but it's based on facts. If you don't like it ignore it, if you want to question it - use facts. What's on the page should be what is generally agreed, not something you chose to like. You are constatly changing your opinions and literally your entire contribution on this site is complaining about timeline. We cannot choose to ignore the RG book just because it's old, the original games had not enough space for all this lore that's why it was published separately. A fact from the lore isn't retconned until a directly contradicting information gets revealed.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 19:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC) | :Yes, this timeline is theoretical, but it's based on facts. If you don't like it ignore it, if you want to question it - use facts. What's on the page should be what is generally agreed, not something you chose to like. You are constatly changing your opinions and literally your entire contribution on this site is complaining about timeline. We cannot choose to ignore the RG book just because it's old, the original games had not enough space for all this lore that's why it was published separately. A fact from the lore isn't retconned until a directly contradicting information gets revealed.--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 19:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC) | ||
::You completely missed the point. The lore from that guidebook hasn't been canon for years, given the games themselves after Gen I contradict what the guidebook says, and nobody brought it up years ago, which says a lot. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 19:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC) | ::You completely missed the point. The lore from that guidebook hasn't been canon for years, given the games themselves after Gen I contradict what the guidebook says, and nobody brought it up years ago, which says a lot. [[User:Inkster|Inkster]] ([[User talk:Inkster|talk]]) 19:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::I'm a bit late to this but since the "candidate for protection" tag is still on the article I feel like I may as well respond<br>"an inaccurate "timeline", which is based off a 25+ year old official guidebook" - False, the timeline was here for years before the information from the book was added in May last year, and it's only used to determine the approximate length of a single gap in the timeline.<br>"guidebook in which most of it's contents were retconned compared to modern Pokémon lore" - Can you provide any examples of this?<br>"a single Porygon dex entry" - Three Porygon dex entries actually, including from Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon which weren't 20th anniversary celebrations like Sun and Moon were.<br>"it already reeks of confirmation bias" - Can you provide any actual evidence that the current timeline is wrong? Is there anything that contradicts it? There is already an acknowledgement that it doesn't line up with the Let's Go games.<br>"Masuda heavily implying that the series uses a floating timeline" - That's not what he said at all, and honestly it makes it feel like you're the one with confirmation bias here. He only said that that they don't pay much attention to the timeline. A "floating timeline" is when time proceeds but characters don't age, which may be applicable to the anime but is definitely not what the games have because there are characters that age (Red, Blue, Caitlin).<br>"neither the anime and manga articles have this section" - They're covered [[History of the Pokémon world (anime)|here]] and [[History of the Pokémon world (Adventures)|here]].<br>"The lore from that guidebook hasn't been canon for years" - Again, can you give a reason for this? When did it stop being canon? The book mentioned Nidoran♀ being able to breed while Nidorina isn't years before that was true in the games, and also was [[Professor Westwood V|referenced]] by the anime, so I don't really see anything pointing to it being outdated.<br>"nobody brought it up years ago, which says a lot" - No it doesn't. The only reason no one brought it up years ago was because it's an obscure Japan-only book that few people knew existed (it didn't even have a page on this wiki until 2021).<br>Anyway, can an admin please remove the protection request template from this page? The timeline section isn't even on the page anymore. [[User:Bandana Hewer Dee|Bandana Hewer Dee]] ([[User talk:Bandana Hewer Dee|talk]]) 16:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
:We don't know when Matsumiya deleted the tweet as far as I'm aware. The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine doesn't have enough captures from 2014 for [https://web.archive.org/web/20140101000000*/https://twitter.com/matsumiyan his Twitter profile] or [https://web.archive.org/web/20140101000000*/https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 that tweet]. [[User talk:SatoMew2|<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#4fd9ff"><span lang="ja">サトミュウ</span> (SatoMew)</span>]] 15:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC) | :We don't know when Matsumiya deleted the tweet as far as I'm aware. The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine doesn't have enough captures from 2014 for [https://web.archive.org/web/20140101000000*/https://twitter.com/matsumiyan his Twitter profile] or [https://web.archive.org/web/20140101000000*/https://twitter.com/matsumiyan/status/464052839870787584 that tweet]. [[User talk:SatoMew2|<span style="font-weight: bold; color:#4fd9ff"><span lang="ja">サトミュウ</span> (SatoMew)</span>]] 15:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC) | ||