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:Fair point, though considering the gym match was interrupted, we can't really say that Starmie actually lost the match against Pidgeotto, especially when there were some circumstances that made it ambiguous as to whether Pidgeotto would have actually won if Team Rocket hadn't interfered (namely, Starmie was still near a pool of water and can just do a last-minute jump into the pool to heal itself). Just because the odds were in Pidgeotto's favor that moment doesn't necessarily mean it was a guaranteed win (let's not forget, Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth had every single legal advantage against Caterpie in Ash Catches a Pokèmon [eg, type advantages, way more experience than Caterpie by that point, also being much fresher, even easily taking out the Pidgeotto that utterly creamed it earlier], more than enough to ordinarily guarantee victory. And yet... it was Caterpie that easily won against them instead.). Overall agreed that it needs to be rewritten at best. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle Mchairybug|talk]]) 13:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | :Fair point, though considering the gym match was interrupted, we can't really say that Starmie actually lost the match against Pidgeotto, especially when there were some circumstances that made it ambiguous as to whether Pidgeotto would have actually won if Team Rocket hadn't interfered (namely, Starmie was still near a pool of water and can just do a last-minute jump into the pool to heal itself). Just because the odds were in Pidgeotto's favor that moment doesn't necessarily mean it was a guaranteed win (let's not forget, Koffing, Ekans, and Meowth had every single legal advantage against Caterpie in Ash Catches a Pokèmon [eg, type advantages, way more experience than Caterpie by that point, also being much fresher, even easily taking out the Pidgeotto that utterly creamed it earlier], more than enough to ordinarily guarantee victory. And yet... it was Caterpie that easily won against them instead.). Overall agreed that it needs to be rewritten at best. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle Mchairybug|talk]]) 13:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
::It's true that Starmie didn't "lose", but both Trainers acknowledged that Starmie was at a disadvantage. I also rewatched the episode (in both Japanese and English) and all Staryu did when it jumped into the pool was negate the usage of Stun Spore and Sleep Powder, not fully heal itself. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ::It's true that Starmie didn't "lose", but both Trainers acknowledged that Starmie was at a disadvantage. I also rewatched the episode (in both Japanese and English) and all Staryu did when it jumped into the pool was negate the usage of Stun Spore and Sleep Powder, not fully heal itself. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
:::Never even | :::Never even mentioned Staryu's earlier jump into the pool in the first place, not in this reply at least, and even if I did, we already know via EP021 that Starmie and presumably Staryu are indeed fully capable of actually healing itself when exposed to water (otherwise, Misty's usage of a portable water cannon on Starmie to aid it after James knocked it against a wall in a similar manner to Pidgeotto via a sledgehammer wouldn't have worked at all). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] ([[User talk:Weedle Mchairybug|talk]]) 09:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC) | ||