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Having had an opportunity to go through the blog posts the video's creator cites, a lot of it appears to be mistranslated. I probably should restrain myself from accusing them of willful mistranslation just to get attention, but the question can be asked. Nonetheless, any level of skepticism applied would've dismissed this as ridiculous. This very talk page had a very similar conversation about a decade ago, and even without the benefit of knowing about the Spaceworld beta designs and some trivia about Shudo's estate, came to the conclusion their bets ought to be hedged w/r/t such a claim. I am actually inclined to suggest any bit of information on this site linking to this channel or this person's website as a source should be reviewed for accuracy of the translation of his alleged sources, but that might be overkill. Claiming to "have a scoop" on who created Lugia, and really exaggerating Shudo's personality and so on, seems to be the one lie that got him the clicks needed to launch a successful? Youtube career, and translation work aside from that appears above board. On the circles of the internet I'm on, everyone knew this was balderdash, but it appears that in the past two years this has become accepted 'fact' in the larger Pokémon community and it's absurd it has been this site for 2 years and no one bothered to double check this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is no evidence to support Shudo as Lugia's creator. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 15:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | Having had an opportunity to go through the blog posts the video's creator cites, a lot of it appears to be mistranslated. I probably should restrain myself from accusing them of willful mistranslation just to get attention, but the question can be asked. Nonetheless, any level of skepticism applied would've dismissed this as ridiculous. This very talk page had a very similar conversation about a decade ago, and even without the benefit of knowing about the Spaceworld beta designs and some trivia about Shudo's estate, came to the conclusion their bets ought to be hedged w/r/t such a claim. I am actually inclined to suggest any bit of information on this site linking to this channel or this person's website as a source should be reviewed for accuracy of the translation of his alleged sources, but that might be overkill. Claiming to "have a scoop" on who created Lugia, and really exaggerating Shudo's personality and so on, seems to be the one lie that got him the clicks needed to launch a successful? Youtube career, and translation work aside from that appears above board. On the circles of the internet I'm on, everyone knew this was balderdash, but it appears that in the past two years this has become accepted 'fact' in the larger Pokémon community and it's absurd it has been this site for 2 years and no one bothered to double check this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there is no evidence to support Shudo as Lugia's creator. --[[User:INTERNETFRIEND|INTERNETFRIEND]] ([[User talk:INTERNETFRIEND|talk]]) 15:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | ||
: So i looked into this, and i think the problem here is that there are two separate entries in Shudo's blog that seem to contradict each other? | |||
:* [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo188.shtml In this entry], Shudo says: 「ルギアという名とそのデザインは後に決定……誰のアイデアか記憶にない。」 (English translated using DeepL, it reads, "The name Lugia and its design were decided later ...... I don't remember whose idea it was." | |||
:* However, [http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo206.shtml in this other entry], Shudo credited himself for coming up with the idea for Lugia: 「ゲームや配給会社などの人たちが集まる大会議の多数決で、ルギアという名前が決まったのは、前にも述べた。Ｘことルギアは、この映画専用に僕が考えたポケモンで、映画の後にできたゲームやＴＶアニメのエピソードにまで登場してきたのは、僕自身驚いた。」 (English translation, again using DeepL, reads, "I have already mentioned that the name Lugia was decided by a majority vote at a large meeting of people from game and distribution companies, etc. Lugia, or X, is a Pokémon that I came up with specifically for this movie, and it even appeared in a game and TV anime episode that came after the movie, to my own surprise.") | |||
: Ultimately i think this is where the confusion lies. Personally, what i think happened is that Shudo ''did'' come up with the idea or rough concepts for Lugia, but then the design itself was handled by someone else (most likely at Game Freak), and then the name was decided at a company vote. Of course, using DeepL is different from having an actual human translator, so i might be wrong here, but yeah. [[User:Anzasquiddles|Anzasquiddles]] ([[User talk:Anzasquiddles|talk]]) 16:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC) | |||