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==Learnset changes==
==Learnset changes==
Greetings! I have been editing the learnset section on the move pages for some now, and I think there is a lot that could be done to improve the readability of these sections. I think that what I do here is worthwhile (regardless of my set of skills not being unique), and my opinion carries some weight. I'd like to list my suggestions, from what I find most agreeable to the ones I think will be hard sells.
* 1: Make the height of each line 68 pixels. The smaller menusprites make the pages look atrocious. I originally thought that this was not implemented due to its difficulty, but after seeing that it works quite well on the [[Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl#Game-exclusive Pokémon]] page, I don't think there is any excuse to not implement this globally, in every single template that uses menusprites.
* 2: Come to a consensus as to when we should note the learnability of a move within a generation. Let's take {{m|Teleport}} as an example. Pokémon introduced after Gen 4 all have the {{sup/8|SwSh}} tag. Pokémon only available in BDSP have the {{sup/8|BDSP}} tag. Pokémon available in both SwSh and BDSP, but not in Legends, have the {{sup/8|SwSh}}{{sup/8|BDSP}} tags. The only ones that should have no tags are the ones available in all of these games and learn the given move at the same level, like the Abra line in my example. This means that Natu, Xatu and Claydol should have the {{sup/8|SwSh}}{{sup/8|BDSP}} tags next to the level number in the Gen VIII column. I noticed that my edits, following these principles, on {{m|Leaf Storm}} and {{m|Wood Hammer}} had been reverted. This makes it look like as if Alolan Exeggutor and Unovan Lilligant are available in all three games, which in my opinion is misleading and inconsistent with the guiding principles of style. If this is the style we go with, then there would be no distinction between Pokémon that are available in all Gen VIII games and the ones that are only available in SwSh. Please consider.
* 3: Now, if you agree that the former is the proper style in my previous suggestion, you might notice that the game tags make the page look unnecessarily busy. Gone are the days when every Pokémon is in every Generation and all have the same movesets in all the games. I suggest breaking up the Gen VIII column into three separate colums: SWSH, BDSP, and LA, not unlike the way we do with Tutor moves. I suggest we do the same with Gen VII, so we have SMUSUM and PE, or alternatively, SM, USUM, PE, though I think that is not needed just because of a few new Pokémon. I understand that having Generations and games be the headers of the columns might seem inconsistent, but I firmly believe it is the way to go forward. The implementation would be hellish, for sure, but trust me, it will pay off in the long run, as we are definitely getting more dex culling and games with limited move availability. Please, don't reject this idea, and discuss it with the administrative team and the community.
* 4: Let go of the menusprites. I love them, but it's clear that GameFreak is moving away from them, which is understandable, these were not made for the Switch. The only two art styles that are consistently being updated with the new Pokémon are the "Sugimori" artworks and the "Dream World/Global Link" artworks. I suggest using the Sugimori artworks, as they look good enough at 68px already (we might as well go up to 70px, it doesn't matter at that point). I have issues with the "Dream World" artworks' inconsistent coloring and the images not being squares (the latter alone disqualifies them from use in their current form, but the images can be edited). The "Sugimori" artworks are already used on pages like [[List of Pokémon with branched evolutions]], and I think they look good, even at 50px, the details of the Pokémon would be even clearer at 70px. Now, if using dozens of 1200x1200 images on every move page comes with significant loading times, then 70px versions should be uploaded separately. It's 2022, using sprites is no longer cool.  A lot of people now have monitors with such high resolution, that the pixels become blurred. I personally have to use Bulbapedia at 80% zoom to enjoy the details of the menusprites. Additionally, while we are at the sprites being obsolete, we should really stop using the type bars from Gen IV that don't even correspond to the type colors Bulbapedia use. It's time for the SwSh type icons to be used. Finally, if we merge the TM/TR and Tutor templates, we might as well make it so the games in which the move cannot be taught in these methods do not appear. This would improve readability, but it's a small thing.
* 5: Finally, here comes my hardest sell. Merge the TM/TR and Tutor sections into one section with one template. Make every header the name of the individual games, ditch the generational headers completely. The headers should have two lines: one for the generation, and one for the availability of the move, eg. IV/TM67{{sup/4|HGSS}}, VIII/TR23{{sup/8|SwSh}}, or VIII/Tutor{{sup/8|LA}}. As of now, moves that had been both TMs/TRs and tutor moves, have a lot of repeat information. The pages are unnecessarily long (requiring tons of scrolling now that we are closing in on 1000 Pokémon) and the learnsets are not different in most cases. This would make the pages more readable and would significantly decrease loading time, which is an issue. Look at {{m|Flamethrower}} as an example. Every single Pokémon that was able to learn the move through tutoring, could also learn it via TM/TR later.
In conclusion, it is time to adapt to the changes The Pokémon Company has made. Please do not dismiss these suggestions, because the current format is severely outdated and will require infinitely more work to keep up, then to just implement my suggestions (which will be a lot of work). I hope you recognize that this is all in good faith and well worth the consideration from the administrative team and the community.


My favorites are '''1B''', '''2D''', '''3D''', '''4C''', '''6B''', and '''7A'''. Sugimori art over HOME models. '''4C''', '''6C''', and '''8B''' address the issue with the colors of the superscript game tags and the type-colored backgrounds. Just make them white. Only my final (always open to changes) designs are expanded.
My favorites are '''1B''', '''2D''', '''3D''', '''4C''', '''6B''', and '''7A'''. Sugimori art over HOME models. '''4C''', '''6C''', and '''8B''' address the issue with the colors of the superscript game tags and the type-colored backgrounds. Just make them white. Only my final (always open to changes) designs are expanded.
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'''2A''' Circles only show up after the Pokémon has been introduced to the franchise. Every game in which the move is or should (temporary deleted, like many moves in SwSh) have been available is shown. I also fixed the broken link for the Expansion Pass.
'''2A''' Crosses only show up after the Pokémon has been introduced to the franchise. Every game in which the move is or should (temporary deleted, like many moves in SwSh) have been available is shown. I also fixed the broken link for the Expansion Pass.
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