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::::::::::DexNav seems to throw a bit of a wrench into the "natural" idea with the wild egg moves thing, but that seems to just be more of a user-friendly feature so that players have a chance to gain access to egg moves that they might not be able to get otherwise, and also so players have the ability to take advantage of egg moves during story mode (since I imagine very few people take the time to chain-breed then), and perhaps even to introduce the concept to breeding novices, who might not have been dedicated enough fans/players to even know that it existed. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#000000"><b>GLO</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900cc"><u>TA</u></span><span style="color:#000000"><u>LK</u></span>]]</sup> 05:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC) | ::::::::::DexNav seems to throw a bit of a wrench into the "natural" idea with the wild egg moves thing, but that seems to just be more of a user-friendly feature so that players have a chance to gain access to egg moves that they might not be able to get otherwise, and also so players have the ability to take advantage of egg moves during story mode (since I imagine very few people take the time to chain-breed then), and perhaps even to introduce the concept to breeding novices, who might not have been dedicated enough fans/players to even know that it existed. — [[User:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900CC"><b>KiAN</b></span><span style="color:#000000"><b>GLO</b></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Kianglo|<span style="color:#6900cc"><u>TA</u></span><span style="color:#000000"><u>LK</u></span>]]</sup> 05:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::::I think I understand where you're coming from now, and the issue seems to be one of opposing perspectives about what this whole vague term means. The people wanting to exclude egg moves seem to be coming from a sort of 'biological' position, where the point about the move 'originating' on a certain Pokemon would make perfect sense. Others, like me, view it with a position based on 'exclusivity', where the question of where it came from doesn't necessarily matter so much, so long as it's obtainable through intended game mechanics. And more still will have variations on these positions, or completely different ones, since it's not an official term (like the people arguing that it should be the 'most-famous moves of a Pokemon' years ago on this talk page). For example, I've never considered Present or Octazooka or Electroweb or any similar move to be signature because they've never been exclusive through intended (non-Sketch) mechanics, even in their introductory generations/games. Since the current staff seem to agree with the 'biological' interpretation, and there's probably not much I can do to convince them otherwise despite the contradictions that annoy me in the current definition (which I admit is ironic because every definition of this is arbitrary to some extent), I'll just say that we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC) | :::::::::::I think I understand where you're coming from now, and the issue seems to be one of opposing perspectives about what this whole vague term means. The people wanting to exclude egg moves seem to be coming from a sort of 'biological' position, where the point about the move 'originating' on a certain Pokemon would make perfect sense. Others, like me, view it with a position based on 'exclusivity', where the question of where it came from doesn't necessarily matter so much, so long as it's obtainable through intended game mechanics. And more still will have variations on these positions, or completely different ones, since it's not an official term (like the people arguing that it should be the 'most-famous moves of a Pokemon' years ago on this talk page). For example, I've never considered Present or Octazooka or Electroweb or any similar move to be signature because they've never been exclusive through intended (non-Sketch) mechanics, even in their introductory generations/games. Since the current staff seem to agree with the 'biological' interpretation, and there's probably not much I can do to convince them otherwise despite the contradictions that annoy me in the current definition (which I admit is ironic because every definition of this is arbitrary to some extent), I'll just say that we'll have to agree to disagree and move on. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:59, 19 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
== Payday and Softboiled are omitted from Gen 1? == | |||
I don't really know how to do anything on this site-- I just made an account because I noticed this page does not list either "Payday" for Meowth in gen 1, OR Softboiled for Chansey, when both of those moves were in the game. In fact, other than battling the Elite 4 over and over, Payday was one of the few ways to keep your ever-slimming wallet from drying up in Red and Blue, and it was this for this reason that I was rather disappointed by the lack of wild Meowth in Yellow version (however, Jesse/James' Meowth DO use Payday against you throughout the game.) As for Softboiled, you receive it via TM from a man in... I want to say Saffron City(?)... after you learn Surf and use it to get to his house in Yellow. Yes, it's a TM, but in Gen 1, Blissey was the ONLY pokemon who was actually able to learn the move from the TM. When you get it, the man even says to you "there's only one pokemon who can learn this technique!" (aside from Mew, obviously, but I assume Mew is a general exception in this thread...) | |||
[[User:GenericCola|GenericCola]] ([[User talk:GenericCola|talk]]) 05:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC) | |||