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::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact." | ::::::::Ah, I'd forgotten about the Litleonids quote, I concede that, but not the second point (since, again, she's talking to the Pokémon and not about the original Aster). Like you said: it's not a certainty, and clearly it's not a plain conclusion since a lot of people came to a different conclusion — including the Adventures scenarist — and even the people above who thought it might be a daughter think it's too ambiguous to state anything. If there's room for people to spontaneously understand something else from the situation, then it's not hard, certain fact, and I think the article's phrasing should reflect that, like in all other ambiguous hints in canon (for instance, the possibility of games!Silver being games!Giovanni child, until HGSS confirmed it). "Please only submit information you know to be accurate, and adhere to a neutral point of view. Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact." | ||
::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ::::::::What about something like "Zinnia addresses Aster like a mother would her daughter, blabla, Aster seems to be named after someone whom Zinnia loved dearly "lost".", and perhaps in the Trivia section, "The identity of Aster's namesake and the circumstances of her death are unclear. She was someone dear to Zinnia, such as a daughter or a friend. In the Adventures manga, Aster's namesake was the previous Lorekeeper."?[[User:Azalee|Azalee]] ([[User talk:Azalee|talk]]) 23:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::The people above are irrelevant to the point you're trying to make. They didn't know about (or talk about) Mum/Mama; I only added that this November. Heck, I already acknowledged it's iffy with only the "daughter" mention. | |||
:::::::::You also have '''no''' proof that the Adventures "scenarist" made up Zinnia's backstory based on their best guess as to what the game was trying to suggest. | |||
:::::::::You say you don't concede the second point because she's talking to Whismur and not the "original" Aster, but...that seems to me a ridiculous thing to say. (No offense.) As in, I don't understand how you are/can be understanding that in such a way—in any way but the way I'm understanding it; and I hardly even know how to try to explain my view to you or what mistake you're making/how. ..All I can say is: ''again'', it's plainly ridiculous to call a Pokemon your daughter. The (IMO only) reasonable explanation is that Zinnia named Whismur after her daughter; and ''that's'' why she calls it her "daughter". (And, once more, yes, all by itself that's not ''wholly'' convincing; but it's ''not'' all by itself: the game also makes Whismur say "Mum"/"Mama", which should really drive the point home.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
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